It's a feel good practice.

@justinandtiffany I would really like to hear a discussion on "The Holy Tone". I'm sure you hear it too. It's that tone preachers use in their voice when preaching, praying, or pontificating; (that no one uses in daily speech) to make themselves sound holy and evoke emotions. No one else uses it that I know of, not even politicians or rabbis. Just preachers. Even little kids that hear it regularly can mimic it.

Malachi 3:8 explains it for itself. No one is twisting context here.

He hasn’t twisted nothing just exposes your ignorance

100%!

Why hope when you can know.

More than 10 years out and I’m STILL relearning things that I was taught for the better half of my life. Great episode!

Can you please stop tagging upci and Aljc. That is not what we represent. I would prefer it if you read the Bible and went to a service or two before you make such accusations.

As an apostolic young lady of the Aljc, and Gods word. The length of my hair DOES NOT symbolize “gender distinction.” It shows my commitment to Jesus, as to not cutting my hair! My hair is my glory, angels protect us when our hair is left to be long. We have power in Jesus!

Do something with your hair like you did several weeks ago

So how do you two pray? What is the biblical way?

Excellent teaching.

If you believe that the gifts have not ceased, then you must confront Pauls assertion that praying in tongues edifies oneself. He says so in verse 4. He speaks of praying in tongues in verses 13-15. Should we obey Pauls directions in Chapter 14? Absolutely. It doesnt mean that we cant pray in tongues in our personal prayer time. I dont even see an issue with someone praying to the Lord in tongues while singjng and worship is occurring during a church service as long as it is not disruptive. I believe that Paul was in part dealing with disruptive behavior during church. Thats what Ch 11-14 seems to deal with, behavior in church. Head coverings, the Lords table, the gifts, all things that impacted their worship services. 1 Corinthians 14:1-5,13-18 NKJV Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. [2] For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. [3] But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. [4] He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. [5] I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification. [13] Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. [14] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. [15] What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. [16] Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say "Amen" at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say? [17] For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified. [18] I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all;

I was raised Baptist, but I was always curious about other denominations and as an adult, I made a point to visit a lot of them. I used to work for a Pentecostal prosperity preacher for 5.5 years and he would claim “god” spoke to him directly during our staff meetings and on his TV show. All while attending a very traditional Baptist church and the Lord delivered me from that job last year and I’ve never felt more at peace. I stay away from Pentecostal churches altogether now because of this.

When I was in the UPCI I thought the more I wept, plead and spoke in tongues the more my prayers were heard. I was led to believe I was interceding when I groaned "in the spirit". Crazy when I think about it now. Excellent point that it's the HOLY SPIRIT who does the intercession, NOT us. If anyone is interested, Costi Hinn or his wife wrote a children's book called, "In Jesus Name," that teaches everything your speaking about. That when we pray, we don't declare and decree, but we come before the Father, through the Holy Spirit and ask in Jesus name for God's will to be done. It's may sound remedial, but it helped me disentangle from the false teaching of decreeing and declaring. I gifted this book to our 5 year old grandson for his birthday in the hope that this truth would be seen. (Yep; I've got a bit of Jacob in me....🙈. My heart longs for them to come out of the UPC and so, I'll try anything within the parameters of the Bible.) Thank you so much for your heart for helping people still in the UPCI and people like me, who are still effected, even years later, by their false teachings. God bless you! 🙌🏻🙏🏻✝️

Thank you for taking the time to do this episode. You’ve put words to my experience where I had none! Appreciate all that you do ❤

No idea these young kids . Just Click bait for more Calvinists, reformist etc to make themselves some kaching

Yeah in my opinion and the early church fathers said tongues was finished. THe outpouring of gifts was to spread the gospel. Paul even talks about tongues finishing. Also its supposed to be a real language for spreading the gospel, unlike most of the baby talk and gibberish we hear today. With that being said although I am a dispensationalist and concentric cessationist I do think God once in a while still gifts gifts of healing and tongues but its one in hundred thousand and I think most people in Pentecostal and charismatic churches are just imitating other people's gibberish and baby talk. So to sumarize, most christians are pretending or thinking they are speaking in toungues but I dont think it has completly ceased altogether. We dont want to put God in a box. Funny how all the people with gifts of tongues dont use it to spread the gospel. Charles Fox Parham tried to send missionaries out with the gift of toungues preaching the word and they all came back having failed Wise christian missionaries today learn the languages of the people they are trying to reach for the gospel However there have been very rare cases of real tongues occurring perhaps with Jackie Pullinger and also Jack Hayford. With that said I want to say I love my continuist brothers of the faith, bless you. Jesus is KING

Well they took that from the word of faith. Well it is a public performance in the upci

Tongues=Languages

Hi guys thanks for today's topic but I have to agree to disagree that decreeing and declaring is biblical. Job 22:28 says I shall decree a thing and it shall be established in my Life. Essentially this means when you declare something with authority, ALIGNED with God's will it will come to pass in your life. God says if we ask anything according to His will we have what we've asked for. I believe we do have power because it's God's Word that has power and the Holy Spirit in us that has power. God's name has power that's why we say it when ending our prayers.

If you don't know and you are aski g these questions, maybe you should get out of your bubble a bit more. God hasn't changed.

Since I was hurt spiritual by the church, its hurts to go to a church. We do go several times a month when my husband is off work. We use to be faithful members for 38 years and left a little church we’ve been to for 22 years because of the controlling pastor.

Scripture reads we are known by our fruits not tongues ( unknown self-edification language)…just dialoguing

From Columbus ohio

Thank you Justin and Tiffany for this week and last weeks teachings. Having come out of a charismatic , propherity gospel, Pentecostal church it’s been hard to know how to prayer. My son has a podcast on Spotify called Re-Born by Adam and relearning to read and study the word in context is so refreshing. When I recently was praying for my son who had a bad cold I found myself decreeeing and declaring and taking authority and just learning to follow Gods example is so refreshing Mike

I'm so grateful to hear this today so encouraging, God Bless yous Both ❤️

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Can you give scripture to support your stance you just made…I think that this short may be taken out of context, and I’m trying to understand the statement more clearly. Thanks

Oh geez, this guy doesn’t what the heck he’s talking about. You’re just intellectual Christian’s .

The reason why the fig leaves didn’t cover Adam and Eve is because the fig leaves didn’t require shedding of blood. God made a sacrifice and clothed them with redemption of their sin against Him. The same reason Cain’s offering was rejected and Abel’s was accepted. Without shedding of blood there is no redemption.

And the inconsistency is staggering. If ALL pants/divided skirts were a sin 70 years ago, then it should be a no-brainer that they are still sin today, because God does NOT change. And trying to find a solid place to stand on “the rules” is impossible because as they are twisting Scripture to make one point in one sermon, they will completely obliterate that that point in another sermon where they are trying to force home another point.

I know this is two years old. But my journey with Christ has been rocked by my best friend of 25 years since I was 14. He’d claim I wasn’t a true believer and I’d go to hell and loving Jesus with all my heart simply was not enough. I had to have the gift of tongues… I pray for it but I will not falsify a religious experience. They say I won’t yield to Christ but I don’t know what that means when my best friend himself speaks immorally and judges others harshly while feeling righteous. It’s hurt me and I still years later can’t bear to talk to him because he always rounds it back to I’m not a true follower. Heavenly Father, thank you for others who love you and want to experience true things and not to fake the closeness to you. I pray for them, my best friend, and anyone else struggling because they haven’t spoken in tongues -Forgive me lord for I know not what I do is wrong if I am supposed to. It is all this I pray in Jesus name, Amen

Talk to Bernard if you want to understand what he believes. That would be a more honest critique of what we believe.

Nowhere do we see a worship service in the book of acts or in the New Testament. So how would they prescribe rules to a process they didn’t participate in as we know it?

The natural reading of the book of acts would be that the reader would assume based on the scriptures that there is always an external and supernatural evidence that accompanied the new birth experience.

Also, acts 8 shows the Samaritan people receive the word and were baptized yet did not have the Holy Spirit until the apostles came to them and laid hands on them. So according to what you believe the new birth is this passage would say otherwise. Also, what did Simon the sorcerer see that he wanted to buy that power?

All spoke in tongues in acts 2, 10, and 19.

Evidence shouldn’t be able to be faked is a poor claim. We see plenty of time in scripture where miracles, signs, and wonders are faked to rival the authentic. The story of Moses and the Egyptians for example. Counterfeiting is a common occurrence in scripture.

Be clear on your accusations. If you’re talking about the UPC by name then make blanket statements about charismatics and their behavior, please be specific as to which organizations you’re referring to.

Why is it that when Pentecostal/charismatic people have issues with what they've been taught they feel compelled to join the Reformed camp? How do you get from "I don't think you have to speak in tongues to be saved" to "Jesus only died for the elect"? Is there no happy medium?

Well is it ok to practice any of the true Spiritual gifts given to us between us and God ? Why just tounges which is of course a real language we don’t know

If gender distinction was really important to the Holiness Pentecostal movement, they wouldn't disallow women to look feminine. Even in the Scripture, jewelry was given to women as a mark of beauty. One of the main distinctions in dress during the Old Testament Jewish time (Read the Talmud and other Rabbinical teachings) was docration of dress, I.e., Jewelry and Makeup vs. Beards and Weapons. The Holiness tradition takes 1940's America and makes that somehow God's eutopia of Holiness. This is purely fallacious.

My final comment: DKB states at 1:05:00 in this video that because they have experience, it must be true. He said, "We know what proper use looks like" based on their experiences. Does he not realize how fallacious this is? A psychotic episode is experience. Hindu rapture is an experience. Islamic rapture is an experience. Does that experience define 'proper use'? Only, and that's a big 'if', it is a foundational event. I.e., what we see written through the Apostles was foundational. (i.e., Acts 2:43, Acts 4:16) They were the foundation of the church. What they did and taught is the definition of 'proper use'. And, they did not endorse what DKB is espousing here. In fact, Paul said this, which flies in the face of this nonsense: "I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers,[a] that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another." 1 Corinthians 4:6 If it isn't written, it isn't proper.

Faith allows perseverance through any and all circumstances. Faith in him is having a friend always available. Faith is what I lacked and now have in abudance

I think it's pretty telling that penetecostals re-enact the curses of babel in each service

I believe there are genuine examples of speaking in tongues. I have seen them, I have talked to and heard from ministers in other denominations who witnessed examples in the Pentecostal church that were real. But the thing is when people spoke in true tongues in the Bible, they didn't have to "pray through" for hours or days to receive the gift. God just gave it "like a mighty runshing wind." Meaning it was instant. No alter call coaching, no baby talk babbling at first, no begging God for the gift. I have even known about people who encountered the gift alone in their prayer time who had no idea about this "Pentecostal experience" of ecstatic gibberish. That said, I think the Pentecostal church and Charismatic churches have put the experience of tongues on such a high pedestal that it's become an object of worship over the Father for them. I have heard plenty of stories of pastors who will admonish somebody if they don't hear them speaking in tongues in prayer at church. The idea is that they are "backslidden". Which is not Biblical at all. If it's truly evidence of the gift of the Holy Spirit, it's without repentance from God. Meaning He's not going to take away the gift. So Christians living in complete sin could speak in tongues if they so pursue it. Though the question is are most of them faking it? Making people think if they don't experience this every day, especially every church service, that they are straying away from God is a dangerous theology for certain.

I totally agree!! Soo many people we're thought to be unsaved because they never spoke in tongues!! They were all sincere and more Christ-Like without speaking in tongues!! Im glad the Lord opened my eyes!!

key words, when the day pentecost came. This was a differnt day from when the 120 gathered. In that setting they neededto select another apostle since Judas had transgressed. They had eleven and needed one more to have the twelve. The lots were cast and they fell on Mathais. Then when the day of Pentecost came (antother day) where Peter in the eleven stood up and began to speak. The question was asked, ow is it these galalien men are speaking our language. You see galalien men , not 120 where in that setting you had women. I dont know whhy people cant realize these were two different times. Jesus had been with his disciples for 40 days. When the Apostles returned to Jeruselum there were 10 days left until the day of Pentecost. This is when they enterd where the 120 were and the lots were cast. People really need to study this out. Also the ones that were told to tarry until they be endued with power were the apostles.

If I may Tiffany, I believe they say “back slidden” or “bitter” or fill in the blank, to place blame outwardly, instead of self examination and taking part in the reason people leave. They don’t want to take responsibility and will do whatever is easiest to shift focus onto the person. I’ve seen it all too often. 🙏🏼🥰