@@shinichirohida2556 Yes, it's a type of eucalyptus. The common name is stringy bark and it's been down for a few years now. The chain held up well
@ChainsawHospital3 күн бұрын
I too found the minimal difference in cut speed interesting. Like you said, over 10 percent width is a lot compared to the close margins in cut time. Thanks. ~Dr. C.
@elpolaco76543 күн бұрын
Indeed, the roller guides for the two chains are different. Normally I would write the part numbers here, but YT doesn't like numbers in comments. Still probably a generally known fact, but also the roller guides for Husqvarna's own chains (X-Cut) have changed compared to the previous ones for Husqvarna's previous chains (Hxx), which were sourced from Oregon.
@SawChainTheories3 күн бұрын
@@elpolaco7654 The listing I can find here show the same (yellow) guide for S35G, C33 and C35. The SP33G guide is only listed for the one chain as far as I can tell. The guide has to much side to side movement on the NK narrow tie straps. Completely unexpected, the difference in width is the tie straps thickness. The drive links are 1.5mm above the tie straps to the top, thinned below. I'm struggling to find any other info of people comparing the NK to full width chains. I'm surprised by the lack of difference between them and I'm not sure if this was a one off thing or if it's normal. Have you seen any other info on this? For reference the 95TXL averaged 12.7 seconds for the same cuts
@elpolaco76543 күн бұрын
@@SawChainTheories This is more logical and in line with the data on their website. My source was the manual for the new saw (2024). It looks like there is (another) error there. What scares me is the number of errors in the documents whether Stihl or Husqvarna... By the way, I found that Husqvarna's recommended grinder head angle (X-Cut, Hxx) is, like the Oregon, 55°. EDIT: This Husqvarna document, from which I took the angle values, turned out to be another nonsense produced by these companies. There is more sensible data in another (more reliable I guess) document: 55°/10° for Hxx chains (except 3/8 LP ofc) and 60°/0° for X-Cut chains. I have not seen meaningful comparisons between these chains. I find yours the most reliable.
@shinichirohida25563 күн бұрын
Great information🧐 Thank you!
@patrickvennard8383 күн бұрын
Interesting in the UK the X-Cut .325 chains have just been released in 050 and 058 in full chisel unguarded. I normally run Stihl RS it is a bit soon for me to decide they are both excellent chains. looking forward to your next 325 test.
@SawChainTheories3 күн бұрын
@@patrickvennard838 The C33 and C35 are available over here now as well. I might try them at some stage but I'm happy with how the semi chisels are running on the smaller saws. If they have another 2 for 1 deal at some stage I'll probably buy them
@elpolaco76543 күн бұрын
I appreciate that Husqvarna has introduced X-Cut .325/.050 chains for sale in Europe. Of course, the .325/.050 Pixel version has been available for a very long time, as Husqvarna has been equipping saws with rebranded Oregon chains. And Oregon Type 95 was available back in the 1990s. I hope that maybe some day they will also introduce (full) .375/.050, because due to the almost complete lack of presence of .050 (not mini/LP/Picco) on the European market, I have accumulated a stock of .050 chain practically for free. Getting guide bars for it isn't easy though. Of course, Stihl's previous chains (RS and otherwise) .325/.050 are different from the current (Pro) ones. The C33 is not classified as a Pixel/Narrow Kerf, unlike the 23 RS Pro.
@patrickvennard8383 күн бұрын
@@elpolaco7654 Thats a shame about the guide bars. We cant get 3/8 bars in anything other than 058 or 063 easily or cheaply.
@giuseppelatina26403 күн бұрын
Good job,good video.
@bartektwardowski6 күн бұрын
Is this a g288?
@SawChainTheories6 күн бұрын
@@bartektwardowski Yes it's a 288
@RIchardLuedtke7 күн бұрын
Your channel is truely a teaching channel you have answered 50 years of chainsaw question that I have had.
@SawChainTheories6 күн бұрын
People were kind enough to help me so I'm happy to pass it on. Glad it's been some help to you
@henrybarker11597 күн бұрын
What is that log acacia?
@SawChainTheories7 күн бұрын
@@henrybarker1159 Not sure. Looked to be some kind of eucalyptus but didn't ID it Everything in that area was really nice to cut because they grew on the edge of a clearing so lots of sunlight, water and good soil means rapid growth
@aussiehardwood61967 күн бұрын
I've long resisted buying Chinese clone saws despite them being so tempting with Aussie retail pricing for OEM. That blue saw looks like fun.
@SawChainTheories7 күн бұрын
@@aussiehardwood6196 Took some work (Meteor cyl, piston, carb rebuild) but that thing has been my favourite all year. Always wanted a big husky but couldn't justify the price so got that instead. It's big, heavy and looks like a suitcase but the ergonomics of it fit me well. It also sounds awesome
@ToddAdams12347 күн бұрын
@@SawChainTheoriesIt looks like a 372xp clone. Am I right?
@aussiehardwood61967 күн бұрын
Yes 372xp platform/chassis. If I was to get a clone like that I too would replace carb with OEM, dawgs, kill switch, meteor piston, perhaps work with the jug if it wasn't terrible.but most are. Then you could have a saw that should be reliable-ish 😅
@SawChainTheories7 күн бұрын
@@ToddAdams1234 It's a 288 clone
@redman71510 күн бұрын
So it’s like cutting with the grain 😮
@andybrzezin11 күн бұрын
What kind of wood is that hard stuff? Like straight dust coming off of there! I recently kind of noticed a similar thing trying to buck up some frozen red oak that has been laying on the ground soaking up water for approximately 5 yrs. We had a cold snap since the last time I ran the saw and boy I thought my chain was like brand new. Seemed to be just dust coming off of it and I wasn’t sure if it was my depth gauges or if I should reduce my top plate angle…. Good video!
@SawChainTheories10 күн бұрын
Its common name is stringy bark and it's not really that hard in comparison to other species of eucalyptus. This one grew in hard conditions, was old and has completely dried out making it extremely hard to cut. Normally they don't put up this kind of fight, but it happens sometimes
@gor498811 күн бұрын
Been pushing my 18v Dewalt to cut too big a logs lately, bough a file, didn't improve much, gave it another touch up, still not what it should be doing. Couldn't find a flat file, so flap disk on the grinder it was to bring down the depth gauges. She's taking out lovely chips and storming through the New Zealand Christmas trees now Battery saws have come a long way, light enough to use one-handed, power to cut a 200mm branch efficiently. 54v Recip is brilliant for cutting roots.
@jasonmichaeljimenez12 күн бұрын
Long bars and soft wood on the West Coast I have filed past the witness mark on many chains with no issues. I’ll just cut off really thin teeth. But I am only a hobbyist really. I can see other circumstances causing issues. Great video and great tips, detail and explanation giving me a better insights on chains. Definitely a niche video but very much appreciated.
@elpolaco765412 күн бұрын
1000 fps would be enough to film how the chain cuts depending on various parameters. Just 1000 fps was used by a researcher here about 10 years ago to study how a saw chain driven by an internal combustion (reciprocating) engine behaves. However, he reduced the engine speed to 6000 rpm, because 1000 fps is not that much when the engine speed exceeds 10000 rpm. You can, of course, rent cameras with large higher fps. I would like to use such a camera someday to film the differences (or rather confirm them) between a chainsaw with an electric motor and a combustion (reciprocating) engine. However, my curiosity is not high enough to justify the very high cost of renting such a camera.
@SawChainTheories12 күн бұрын
@@elpolaco7654 I tried multiple times today and unfortunately it's just not enough. I would need to reduce the chain speed and feed pressure dramatically to be able to capture anything meaningful. I will try again if I can find a saw with a reduced chain speed but for now I'm out of ideas to try
@elpolaco765412 күн бұрын
Thank you for the video. I've already written about this under some previous video, that in my opinion the real pivot point is where the cutter link rests against the bar rail as it starts to lift up when entering the wood due to the top plate clearance angle. Normally this point is behind the center of the rear rivet. This can be seen in your video, where the "dead zone" is just there more or less. Of course, where exactly this point is in relation to the rivet (and the end of the cutter/top plate) will depend on the type of chain/cutter link.
@SawChainTheories12 күн бұрын
@@elpolaco7654 I think that is the better way of explaining this. It pivots off the heel of the cutter because it's the part that is in contact with the bar rail. It's also part of why this changes with different chain brands, the design and angles of the heel are different
@elpolaco765412 күн бұрын
@@SawChainTheories Agreed. Thanks!
@billbezzant303312 күн бұрын
Fascinating look at the geometry and physical impact during cutting. Thank you!
@williamsolomon130712 күн бұрын
It’s so important!
@giuseppelatina264012 күн бұрын
👍🙋♂️
@HayChaffandSawdust112 күн бұрын
Merely curious, did you attempt to measure the difference in side plate angle between the two tensions?
@SawChainTheories12 күн бұрын
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 No and I also stupidly didn't mark that cutter so I can't go back and check easily. I'll do it again when I get a chance and follow up
@HayChaffandSawdust112 күн бұрын
@@SawChainTheories Just another good excuse to make another good video!!!
@patrickvennard83812 күн бұрын
Good tip thanks
@williamsolomon130712 күн бұрын
Excellent explanations. Thanks Brother!
@SawChainTheories12 күн бұрын
Thanks, I'm surprised by the response to this. Did not think anyone would be interested in this stuff
@nseric123313 күн бұрын
Nice now I know why some of my chains dont self feed right when almost wore out and why some newer chains have shorter cutter lengths where the cutter ends close to the rivet. If the cutter ends at the rivet there's no need to lower the depth gauges extra when it's past it, you get less chain life but easier sharpening. I use the husky progressive gauge but it's not perfect and I need to take extra off when the cutter is back past the rivets. All my buddies free hand file the depth gauges simply taking a swipe off when it's not self feeding right.
@SawChainTheories12 күн бұрын
Thanks. I'm surprised so many people were interested in this
@ChainsawUsers13 күн бұрын
What I have noticed about chainsaw tooth geometry is there are some slight variations on the top plate backward sloping angle most vary from 9° to 11° and the back rivit pivot point where is placed almost half way in the middle of the cutter on many chains not all though. So again it's really hard to compare one chain against another chain. There are very slight variations. And this happens with top plate cutting angle v top plate angle v side plate angle. In the end you must find what works for you and your saw and the wood you cut
@SawChainTheories13 күн бұрын
@@ChainsawUsers I cut a lot of this out but using the Carlton 404 as an example There were 7 different file plates to suit their 7 404 chains. B3S, B3LM and B3EP all have different depth gauge heights and shapes. All have different top plate clearance angles. Ranging from 4.5 to 8 degrees. All required different amounts to be removed maintain the correct ratio. Long story short, it's complicated. This is also the issue I have with the angle of attack idea, it may be correct for some chains but it's not universal. Hopefully this can help explain why different progressive tools give different results
@ChainsawUsers12 күн бұрын
If a cutter is cutting wood then it has and attack angle. If I hold a carpenters chisel and use it, the the angle at which I hold it is called an attack angle. So when the chainsaw chain cutter and raker touch the timber, it's always referred to as an attack angle.
@SawChainTheories12 күн бұрын
@@ChainsawUsers But should it's depth gauge be set by its, 1) Attack angle 2) The amount the corner rises That is the 2 different progressive depth gauge theories. They possibly overlap in some situations, in others they are very different. Was carlton right in his thinking of did he miss an important part of this? They didn't make any reference of maintaining an angle and their tools (the ones I have used, there are many I have not) did not maintain a fixed angle. Like a constant gauge, the angles changed as the cutter wore back. I can't answer most of these questions because there are too many variables, but from trying this I lean more towards Carlton's idea being correct. I can also see there are chains where none of this is required because the difference is so small
@richardhollis253013 күн бұрын
After watching this I’m thinking I’d like you to sharpen my chains! I will now be shaping my depth gauges, cheers. Good vid
@SawChainTheories12 күн бұрын
Thanks but I have sharpened enough to last me a lifetime 😂
@hn2028113 күн бұрын
No boring.
@tdm881713 күн бұрын
Wasent boring at all i really enjoy the deep dive info id like to see more like this
@SawChainTheories13 күн бұрын
@@tdm8817 I might have to do this again but I will try to make it more interesting by demonstrating some of these things. It won't happen for a month or 2 but I'll get there soon
@tdm881713 күн бұрын
@SawChainTheories cool I look forward to that, I've been learning more about how chains actually cut and trying to wrap my head around the concept. It fascinating to me and as with anything it seems that the more you learn about a topic the more you realize how deep the rabbit hole goes. I'm on the other side of the world from you and it's cool to see how you set up your chains vs mine cutting pine.
@gunterbecker852813 күн бұрын
Very informative and helpful information 😊
@SawChainTheories12 күн бұрын
Thanks
@Larry-hi1ri13 күн бұрын
Good video to technical for me
@SawChainTheories13 күн бұрын
@@Larry-hi1ri Out of everything I said the most important part is, use a tool to set your depth gauges and round off the front edge of the gauge after lowering it. The rest really doesn't matter to most people, it's just the technical part of how they work
@Larry-hi1ri12 күн бұрын
@ thanks never rounded mine off I will now
@ChainsawHospital13 күн бұрын
Very cool! I zoomed in a bunch and was checking out the individual metal shavings. Nice work. ~Dr. C.
@Fogyt12113 күн бұрын
Do you think the geometry can be replicated with a hexa file? It has almost the same angle as a double bevel file where the side plate cutters and top plate cutters meet.
@SawChainTheories13 күн бұрын
@@Fogyt121 I have tried, no it cant
@Fogyt12113 күн бұрын
@@SawChainTheories and what was the result?
@ToddAdams123414 күн бұрын
Well Tinker, that’s what a sharp file should do, probably more.
@timberandtools14 күн бұрын
Love the suuuuuper slo mo
@ChainsawUsers14 күн бұрын
I have even seen sparks from hard wood 20 years old wood laying on the ground. I always found using semi chisel was best option with hard hard old wood. I used full chisel and it blunts so quickly. Many countries have softwood our hard wood us the next level. At least when the eucalyptus tees are green it's much easier
@SawChainTheories14 күн бұрын
@@ChainsawUsers It's never good when all you corners get thrown out the cut like that. Bought some Stihl RD3 to try on some of this stuff. $210 for 84dl It better be good
@ChainsawHospital14 күн бұрын
Hello from central Virginia USA. Excellent video! I really enjoyed seeing the difficulty the chain had trying to self feed in your native trees. I have watched your videos. I know you can sharpen a chain. I have learned so much about tooth geometry from you. Thanks! ~Dr. C.
@SawChainTheories14 күн бұрын
@@ChainsawHospital subscribed, I also love 2 strokes 👍
@ChainsawHospital13 күн бұрын
@@SawChainTheories thanks!
@aussiehardwood619615 күн бұрын
The problem with this video which is both honest & correct is that it really doesn't have any relevance too 95%+ of you predominantly American audience on YT. They don't encounter really dense heavy wood. Many of our gum and box species will sink in water like a piece concrete. The average experience for them running a full chisel 3/8 chain is to cut for 1-2+ tanks before needing to sharpen. They'll look at this & scratch their head believing your doing something wrong because their years or even decades of experience which is totally valid in THEIR conditions hasn't presented this. But I'm all for it & I'm sure they with context they will find it interesting. I remeber 15 years ago buying chainsaws out of the US with 050 gauge bars & chains having BIG problems just with equipment. Chips would bind up in the bar rails and the chain would get starged with oil. Stihl Australia factory fits EVERY saw running .325 & above with .063 gear. You wont even be able to buy 3/8 050 bars/chain off the shelf unless they ordered it in unless it's Low-pro Picco setups on pole saws, TH's and small saws will come in .050 even .043. I've got some really nice, 24", 28" & 32" Sugi bars in 3/8 050 which I just can't use 😢.
@SawChainTheories14 күн бұрын
@@aussiehardwood6196 I'm just insanely jealous of the wood they get to cut. Every so often I stumble across the super nice cutting soft stuff and get to see nice big chips. Then it's back to reality, pulling nothing but dust out of some rock hard box gum Lucky bastards
@elpolaco765414 күн бұрын
This is not a question of the type of wood, but of tradition. In Europe, too, .050 was not popular due to the dominance of Stihl and Husqvarna, where in the case of the former, the standard gauge adopted by them very long ago is .063. Husqvarna, on the other hand, is .058. And it is not true that Stihl supplies chainsaws with .325 chains in the .063 gauge. In recent years, they have moved from .325/.063 to .325/.050 with chains that they designate with the Pro suffix, which have a narrower kerf than those offered by Stihl up to that time - whether .050 or .063, which had the same cutter links.
@ChainsawUsers14 күн бұрын
Australia should be Stilhs testing ground for cutting hard wood
@daviddenyer75615 күн бұрын
Good demo mate..our friends os have know idea how hard our timber is
@SawChainTheories15 күн бұрын
@@daviddenyer756 Ill try to put together a video showing a range of what I cut this year. I have cut some of these growing on the edge of a clearing in good soil that were like cutting butter. Others were like this, hard as nails. Lots of the same species but a huge range in how hard they were to cut
@anthonycengia659315 күн бұрын
Second that, it's hard watching these American/Canadian guys cutting so easily and the advice they have has no bearing on the stuff we cut
@giuseppelatina264015 күн бұрын
A lot of these Stihl MS 310 chainsaws are still going today,seem a lot better made than the MS311 which came after,I could be wrong?all the best ✅
@SawChainTheories15 күн бұрын
@@giuseppelatina2640 the heap of aftermarket parts for these makes them cheap to keep running. Most genuine parts are still available as well. The 311/391 has support just not as cheap and widely available as the older saws so less of them get saved when something goes weong
@giuseppelatina264017 күн бұрын
These as you would know are not available anymore.Ms 170 originally came out with a Zama Chinese made carburettor if I’m correct,good short video ✅
@SawChainTheories17 күн бұрын
@@giuseppelatina2640 Yep, non adjustable Zama was the original carb. I had a spare wt215 and they allow a bit of extra tweaking so I put it on. Runs well for what it is
@akidojlaw53720 күн бұрын
Awesome explanation and close in video work. You’re explanation of the working cycle in its phases were extremely illuminating, thank you.
@brandonbraun830623 күн бұрын
Howdy..yes thare great..do u no wear a guy can buy 1..I live in Minnesota..it can always be shipped..let me no..thank u
@pm27010023 күн бұрын
good vid well done //// how shit works 😁😁😁😁😁
@gor498824 күн бұрын
Great explanation
@Cammackaveli24 күн бұрын
This was incredibly inforrmative, thank you for this video!!!
@paperclips4366324 күн бұрын
Great info and good job explaining it for just some 2 stroke huffing fool like myself ;) just to be clear was the first cutter a chisel shape that was round ground? Or was it also square but with just a different side plate angle? Also do you hand file or machine grind your square? Thanks so much for going into this. I know you mentioned your slow mo videos didn’t show much but might be cool to see them anyway. Also I wonder if you could have some air compressor blowing the saw dust away from the cut to get a better view.
@SawChainTheories24 күн бұрын
The cutter is from a Stihl 46RS chain - 404 full chisel with its factory round grind I file square because the grinders are extremely rare and expensive here. There are a few ways of changing the cutter with a round file that work for me. I will do this again with a few cutters sharpened in different ways to try and show the differences when I get time
@D-B-Cooper25 күн бұрын
In a little different direction, I freehand rip a lot of lumber. I have found that the angle of the cutters increase the width of the cut and also the roughness because the cutters pull left and right. I sharpen mine at 0 deg, this makes a very smooth cut and lets the bar follow the cut to keep it straight and needs to cut less so it is faster using less gas. Use full chisel and remove the rackers, this produces a long chip but not long enough to clog the saw. In freehand cutting you only use about the first foot of bar so you can use a longer bar than normal that also helps with straightness. Occasionally I will use the ripping rig to buck a log when I don’t want to change over for just one cut and find it still works surprisingly well.
@SawChainTheories24 күн бұрын
@@D-B-Cooper This is something I'm starting to do more. I had some experience with an Alaskan style mill and it sucks, so I started ripping freehand because it's so much more efficient. I have not really experimented with chains for it yet so that's something new to learn for me next year
@norwegiantreeclimber25 күн бұрын
Great video mate. I'll bookmark this for future reference and definitely send it to some people who need it as well. 😁
@durangoclimber25 күн бұрын
GREAT video!!!! Signed, A wildland d firefighter
@aussiehardwood619625 күн бұрын
Good video, I cut a fair bit too and are in Australia. Many years ago I discovered many things those in the US were doing simply didn't work here in my world. I found myself detuning chains in order to get them to cut faster. That inner top plate angle and hook or side plate profile are critical. Get it wrong and in our wood the chain becomes 'grabby', inefficiant and violent towards your gear. Smooth, self feeding chain is what cuts dense wood fast. Pretty much all my chain is semi chisel with a portion of square. Full chisel can be ok in green wood or softer species but for the day to day grind, it just doesn't hold uo for the readons articulated in this video. Shame really, cause I like the way it cuts. .404 is your freind her too, I find on 65cc+ saws it provides the best value with so much more meat on the cutters you get the most sharpenings per chain. Australian conditions does force you to learn all this stuff otherwise your cutting experience is terrible. I subscribed.
@SawChainTheories24 күн бұрын
@@aussiehardwood6196 Had the same experience over the years, what I kept seeing didn't work well here. The more experienced people I have found all come to the same conclusions as you. Lots of 404 and reduced side plate angles to get the job done
@aussiehardwood619615 күн бұрын
👍
@IndianaDoug25 күн бұрын
Such a good video!! I hope a lot of people see this. Especially the square profile bit. Great job👍🏻
@SawChainTheories24 күн бұрын
@@IndianaDoug I don't anything I can do will change people's opinions on square It's amazing what we can learn by hammering a cutter into wood. Don't know why I didn't do this sooner
@IndianaDoug24 күн бұрын
@@SawChainTheories I shared this to all my groups. Hope it helps, thanks for the content👍🏻