STOP Obsessing Over Weight in Cycling
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21 сағат бұрын
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@duenorth3809
@duenorth3809 8 сағат бұрын
I love gear and typically understand cost with products that require a special attention to create or unique raw materials etc but the cycling industry is just stupid at this point.
@adamgurule1458
@adamgurule1458 10 сағат бұрын
Control what you can control, train as hard as you can, make the adaptions, Constancy. Thanks Sean
@edgibbs3229
@edgibbs3229 Күн бұрын
This was not informative.
@herbsmith21
@herbsmith21 2 күн бұрын
Two people I enjoy, meeting and talking about bike stuff, doesn't get much better
@401SNelson
@401SNelson 8 күн бұрын
Is there any resources that will help us to learn and interpet all this data so, we can use it to improve our training?
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 7 күн бұрын
WKO has a lot of KZbin tutorials that help. TrainingPeaks has a lot of articles. And dig around on our blogs for more info!
@401SNelson
@401SNelson 7 күн бұрын
@@EVOQBIKE thank you!
@ErikFORV3RT
@ErikFORV3RT 8 күн бұрын
Thanks for the conversation, but I literally had to close the video and only listen to the audio because of this flickering and pulsing video from the left guy. It is really anoying, please use your phone or something, even any 10 year old tech could fix this. :D
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 8 күн бұрын
@@ErikFORV3RT thanks for this feedback! -Bh
@IlPinnacolo
@IlPinnacolo 9 күн бұрын
All this talk of the lower weight limit for best results… I want to know what the upper limit is. How jacked can I be and move up from cat 3 to 2.
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 9 күн бұрын
More muscle generally equates to more power. Just train hard and make the watts babyyy
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 8 күн бұрын
@@IlPinnacolo you prob won’t gain any muscle that isn’t beneficial unless u are bodybuilding. In which case id ask myself what my real goals are. -Brendan
@IlPinnacolo
@IlPinnacolo 8 күн бұрын
@@EVOQBIKE I am bodybuilding and cycling. I want to win bike races but also be ripped. It helps me win in the 90% of my life that I'm not on the bike. From what I can tell, this seems to be a unique goal in the cycling world. Probably because it's extremely fatiguing and ensures lackluster results in both areas. I keep hoping I'm one training and nutrition tweak away from pulling it off.
@buttlesschap
@buttlesschap 6 күн бұрын
It's hard cause the upper body mass doesn't really compliment in cycling, if anything it's a negative for Aero lol. If you train more like an oly weightlifter for strength over aesthetics you'll probably have better results in cycling. Track cyclists will have 180kg+ squats at 76-80kg ish bodyweight. They'll squat, clean and Deadlift. I think Chris Hoy had a 250kg pb squat when he won all those sprint golds. While Jason Kenny maxed at 200kg squat. That's still enough to translate into a 2000w+ sprint with specific training. The trouble is having the endurance to utilize that power for a sprint finish in a crit. Doing crit specific training will really take away from strength progression and peak sprint power. I do both as a hobbyistand I have to plan my training so one is focused in season while the other goes on maintenence mode to progress. You can look up different power benchmarks for various cycling categories. 1800w 5s power is already really overkill in cat 2.
@cassettecycling
@cassettecycling 9 күн бұрын
Really enjoyed this episode Brendan! I saw that GCN vid on these guys and was soooooo intrigued and inspired by what they were able to do. Enjoyed the deeper dive with John. Nice one! 👊
@DDai-qd8uk
@DDai-qd8uk 9 күн бұрын
Need an epilepsy warning for the left dude's strobing lights
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 8 күн бұрын
@@DDai-qd8uk we are going to fix this, thank you for the feedback! -BH
@DDai-qd8uk
@DDai-qd8uk 9 күн бұрын
Love K Dogg. What a legend.
@iceicebaby6980
@iceicebaby6980 9 күн бұрын
wait for massive tail wind, get KOM, screenshot, done. Colorado is windy AF. You can do this on a pizza diet.
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 9 күн бұрын
I can confirm you can get Colorado KOMs on a pizza diet :)
@JoshThompson-v7t
@JoshThompson-v7t 9 күн бұрын
Clean first. Lean second and then power (carbs) and protein baby!... Timing, timing, timing
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 8 күн бұрын
Yes, timing is soooo important!
@ttendurance7528
@ttendurance7528 9 күн бұрын
What did your pathways from jrs to elite look like in terms of education? Did you go to college?
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 8 күн бұрын
Landry has a Master's Degree in Exercise Science. Keegan is racing professionally in Europe.
@windar2390
@windar2390 9 күн бұрын
I train 4-5 days zone 2 per week and 1 day I reward myself with "30min TT - as fast as possible". That's my highlight of the week.
@KeggaGee
@KeggaGee 9 күн бұрын
why does my nose look crooked yikessss
@craigg9742
@craigg9742 9 күн бұрын
You just have the dramatic lighting going on. 🤣
@KeggaGee
@KeggaGee 9 күн бұрын
@ I wish that were the case ;)
@DDai-qd8uk
@DDai-qd8uk 9 күн бұрын
Must be from that face plant, it'll buff right out
@erlendsteren9466
@erlendsteren9466 9 күн бұрын
Nice video! Thanks. You did recommend zone 2 riding, but what about zone 1, the zone nobody talks about. I think its nice to mix zone 1 and 2 , especially when we go more than 2 hours. I also know that the 3 times Cross Country Skiing World champion in 1966, Gjermund Eggen, did a lot zone 1 in the summer, walking in the mountains and hills and looking after his sheeps. I also think your video is a very important message to the junior-riders advicing them to eat well and avoid setbacks because of overtraining and therfore be able to keep the consistency.
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 9 күн бұрын
Hey! I definitely agree that Zone 1 can be beneficial, especially in high volumes. Many WorldTour riders who train at high volume do lots of Zone 1 training. However, we also see there is an increasing popularity of Zone 2 training even among elite riders. Reportedly Pogacar is doing his endurance rides at 330 watts these days! I think one major risk of Zone 2 for those training in high volumes who are at an elite level is the sheer amount of Calories burned for this effort level. With modern nutrition methods, it is more possible to fuel correctly for this kind of effort and so the "cost" of Zone 2 vs. Zone 1 is probably lower. Perhaps from an adaptive standpoint, Zone 2 is better, but it of course comes at a higher cost!
@erlendsteren9466
@erlendsteren9466 8 күн бұрын
@@EVOQBIKE Thanks for the good answer. The elite is probably balancing on an edge where to light doesnt give them the gold, and to hard will set them back. Thats gambling for gold. Motionists like me can benefit from holding back a bit. That means I can do a long mostly zone 1 between harder zone 2 days and all-zone days. Yesterday I did 2,5 hours mixing up zone 1 and 2, with most time in zone one. 2 km from finish I had full power left in my legs , so I first doubled my watts and in the last 30 seconds I was sprinting as hard as possible. Diluting the zone 2 rides with a lt zone 1 allows for more power left in the final hour, power that can be saved for another day or can be used for fun. About zonemixing. I wonder if one hour zone 1, followed by 30 minutes very hard zone 3-4-5 is a good workout? Maybe it is what you do when you do tempo-race? One hour warm up and 30 minutes full gas.
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 8 күн бұрын
that's not "zonemixing", that's an interval workout. A z3-5 workout with z1-2 around it is very normal
@philadams9254
@philadams9254 7 күн бұрын
Zone 2 gives more adaptation and could be done day after day if done properly, so should always be preferred as there's no downside. Once you go above 15 hours a week though, adding more hours there starts to become too stressful, so the Z1/Z2 border or Z1 is necessary. Similarly, you might be able to do Z2 every day without days off, and it might seem like you are fully recovered between sessions, but you'll eventually hit a point after so many consecutive days where something's gotta give. You might not be anywhere near overtraining or even overreaching, so continuing to ride is not a bad thing, but you have to accept that Z1 is superior. People used to think zone 1 did nothing, especially the power nerds who have taken the work of Coggan/Allen too literally, but try doing 30 hours a week there and tell me nothing's happening...
@FunkZoned
@FunkZoned 9 күн бұрын
Know anyone who will do Zwift coaching?
@jk2302
@jk2302 9 күн бұрын
Love the energy and the message, this needs to start young to help talented riders avoid burnout and exhaustion due to bad fueling. BUT this definitely does not apply to masters cyclists or cyclists over 30 as you DO need to watch your weight more and you do need to look at training differently around other life priorities...You don't need to obsess but certainly be much more conscious of intake.
@richardmiddleton7770
@richardmiddleton7770 9 күн бұрын
Indeed. Masters cyclists will also be far more fat adapted and efficient than a younger cyclist.
@jakebailey146
@jakebailey146 9 күн бұрын
Yeah, I also think it matters when you are fueling. I eat carbs right before, during, and right after riding, but then I try to eat cleaner the rest of the day (like a big salad with fish and a couple of baby potatoes) and that works pretty well. But I see some people who are masters riders who think they can eat literally any awful pile of greasy fatty food just because they rode that day. For most of us, that doesn't work. Starving is bad, but also gluttony on a regular basis is bad. Fueling to meet our activity level just makes biological sense.
@IlPinnacolo
@IlPinnacolo 9 күн бұрын
I’m a masters 40+ guy and I need to force feed myself to not lose weight. The amount of food required for hard training ends up being as much work as training 😅
@jk2302
@jk2302 7 күн бұрын
@@IlPinnacolo Is this a humble brag?
@IlPinnacolo
@IlPinnacolo 7 күн бұрын
@@jk2302 No. It's a blatant boast, no humility here.
@vitico1630
@vitico1630 11 күн бұрын
The differences in the sugars is more so about how long will the sugar spike last, how long will it take and at what height will it get to
@uMsubathi
@uMsubathi 14 күн бұрын
Good guest, bad interviewer. Never try to impose your beliefs on the guest, let her talk. If you want to talk your views, do so
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 14 күн бұрын
Interesting comment. We simply asked follow ups from a pretty complex first comment to distill down some basic takeaways and clarifications. And end of the day, a podcast is a discussion where two people speak; it’s not a job interview with one sided questions. At least not here. Good luck with the training
@spieo
@spieo 14 күн бұрын
This is such clickbait. It follows the same BS marketing Ketonaid and dG have been pushing. The "intoxication" claims are based on one study in rats where they injected 1,3BD intravenously, which bypassed first-pass metabolism, hence giving alcohol-like effects. This isn't what happens when you drink it...and you should know this if you have even a single undergrad course in biochemistry. And the study you linked on "Ketone intoxication" has nothing to do with intoxication. There's just one line in the paper that says participants felt dizziness, etc, that __seemed__ similar to drunkenness. An anecdote that's similar to when people use the fully oxidized di-ketone, which has no alcohol moieties at all... The points about blood concentration are valid, though. I assume drinks containing 100% 13BD, like KIQ, have slower BHB formation due to liver metabolism, so they likely don't spike BHB in the blood like the full and partial ester forms, but that's not necessarily bad. Needless to say...I've now been spurred to experiment, so I purchased a good ketone blood test monitor and will run some tests comparing the products.
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 8 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Not clickbait, but my experience. And no, I'm not a scientist but going off what helped me while training and racing. KetoneIQ: I felt a bit odd and off as if I had taken a drink or some sort of light headedness...and zero performance boost, which made me think that ketones didn't do a damn thing...but it was only with Ketone IQ. I tried KetoneAid and DeltaG afterwards. Let me know what you come up with from monitor....you push KetoneIQ hard but never tested the levels!?!?? Or maybe they aren't important indicators to performance effect?
@spieo
@spieo 4 күн бұрын
@ the power of suggestion is strong, this is exactly why we do placebo controlled trials when we want real information.
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 3 күн бұрын
@@spieo I felt this when I took IQ with no influence. Only later did I learn about this when people told me to try delta g. Glad IQ works for you, did not for me, and a ton others that I’ve spoken to.
@spieo
@spieo 3 күн бұрын
@@EVOQBIKE So if it's a legit effect due to the presence of alcohol moieties on 13BD, why don't you "feel it" when you take DG ketones? There's still an alcohol there... In fact, per unit volume you are getting a higher dose of this purported "ethanol" with DG than with IQ since their shots have 26-32g per bottle.
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 16 күн бұрын
Really puts into perspective the 6.5w/kg for the hour, the guys at the top are doing.
@windar2390
@windar2390 15 күн бұрын
There might be a hard cap around 450 Watt, because the limiting factor is the heart and not the muscles.
@suisinghoraceho2403
@suisinghoraceho2403 16 күн бұрын
Yeah, these guys recover at 500W totally 😂. And recumbents at that.
@JibbaJabber
@JibbaJabber 16 күн бұрын
Haters gotta hate (@400W)
@benjamindejarnette5714
@benjamindejarnette5714 15 күн бұрын
It's 400w recovery while they weight 100kg. Recovering at 4 w/kg is def doable for a lot of people
@adamdellman2896
@adamdellman2896 22 күн бұрын
Really interesting, thanks for the video!
@joshott1637
@joshott1637 22 күн бұрын
This was great, thanks!
@jadonjaeger603
@jadonjaeger603 22 күн бұрын
You forgot to ask the other million dollar question: gloves or no gloves?
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 22 күн бұрын
I'll find out!
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 22 күн бұрын
hmmm cover image is making me think no gloves
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 17 күн бұрын
@@jadonjaeger603 no gloves per Zach. Better cooling and more aero.
@DDai-qd8uk
@DDai-qd8uk 23 күн бұрын
Man you gotta get the pyjama master swirbul back on. I love that guy.
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 22 күн бұрын
oh he'll be back!!! and some of his ep's are uploaded already for channel s members!
@jamesnewsom8309
@jamesnewsom8309 23 күн бұрын
Honey actually works pretty well for keeping socks up
@christianwirth6965
@christianwirth6965 23 күн бұрын
Oh Nice! Not watched yet, but this looks perfect for me, having gotten a TT Bike on Order for myself! :) Thanks for all the Podcasts Brendan! Really appreciate them!
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 22 күн бұрын
Hope you enjoy it!
@aChosenPariah
@aChosenPariah 23 күн бұрын
i looked at ketoneIQ because dr robert cywes is promoting it but i see that price and said forget it, i'm glad i didn't, thanks for info
@eliziskin6021
@eliziskin6021 23 күн бұрын
Interesting to see what you take and focus on. Thank you for posting this and sharing with everyone. If reishi helps me stay asleep (not fall sleep, that happens in less than a minute lol) while being on an energy deficit during the off season (the sort of losing only a few kgs type of deal to save 20-30w on a steep climb), it would really make the season! I'm 30 and struggle with this horribly compared to ten years ago. Will look into the other mushroom supplements. Lowering cortisol is huge. I have settled with drinking beetroot juice (Lakewood Organics - ~1200mg/12 fl oz of nitrate content) and beta alanine (6g split into three after main meals). Curcumin, tongkat ali, and maca powder. 750mg of acetic acid before main meals (Braggs has a great one with vit D3). I feel supplementation can be quite useful after exhausting all options and you're left with chasing the last few percent of gains in your numbers. Along with the essential recovery basics, I'm left with supplementation, heat and altitude training, and strength training. At around 67-70kgs at race weight (75kgs right now... oof) and an FTP of just over 400 at 1650m altitude, it's been a hard, hard grind so far in this off season. Not a racer, just going for climbing KOMs and fitness with zero race tact/experience, but I love these tips/heads up you're giving for people who are looking into becoming masters athletes down the road.
@risky_scalps
@risky_scalps 26 күн бұрын
What do you mix your dose with? Raw taste is insane
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 22 күн бұрын
haha I just got used to it over time
@twowheelsgood28
@twowheelsgood28 27 күн бұрын
Happy festivus!!broke my left clavicle after going over the handle bars. Had surgery done 3 years ago. Having tons of irritation in it now for some reason. Nerves and tendons are very irritated. Do you guys know what can be done to help reduce nerve pain?
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 26 күн бұрын
It took a while for my nerve damage to heal on a couple of my collarbones (numbness and tingling upon touch), but I never had any pain. I would consult a doctor to see if anything can be done about this.
@allancollie2823
@allancollie2823 27 күн бұрын
Where is the spreadsheet link promised?
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 27 күн бұрын
hey! check out the BJH tab on this sheet. the other one was me messing around bit. If you want to use it at all you can download a copy to your Desktop/Phone, but can't edit this sheet. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q2HhVZU4KsLz4GkzR93chfnYcv_3XDmRogwaEVsgqKA/edit?usp=sharing
@simonsimon8213
@simonsimon8213 28 күн бұрын
Sorry i disagree. Studies clearly show that the most beneficial Lifts for cycling performance are when you go heavy. It is not about simulating the cycling load. If you do Single leg kettlebell deadlift and have to balance you wont lift heavy enough. For General Health it looks different though
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 28 күн бұрын
@@simonsimon8213 no need to apologize! And this isn’t to replace bilateral and heavy lifts, but to augment and help to INCREASE those lifts. 💪🏽
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 29 күн бұрын
Unless you're only riding 2 times a week😉
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 28 күн бұрын
I'd go harder than sweet spot if I had two rides!
@ammanuelroberts5965
@ammanuelroberts5965 29 күн бұрын
gotta get this dude on again
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 28 күн бұрын
100%
@CraigRidesBikes
@CraigRidesBikes 29 күн бұрын
Great stuff, Brendan. Cheers.
@Eirikkinserdal
@Eirikkinserdal 29 күн бұрын
Im looking at a exxentric flywheel trainer. Have you tried something like that?
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 28 күн бұрын
not familiar, sorry! good luck!
@Behine.DeChilis
@Behine.DeChilis 29 күн бұрын
After recently switching to power pedals, I have found a pretty significant discrepancy left versus right. I am generally around 42% left 58% right. I'm a former BMX rider who would perform starts with my right leg and always favored that side. I think some of this is neuromuscular that is left over from that activity. Does it make sense to do drills where I supercompensate with the left side in hopes of restoring a balance?
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 28 күн бұрын
maybe some single leg RDL's?
@KeggaGee
@KeggaGee Ай бұрын
swag vid! single leg stuff for life! the squats seem to totally smash the bod. and feels way less cycling specific to me.
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 28 күн бұрын
Will be curious if you get into the weights and what resonates! that will be another pod for sure!! Gains will be made for you, I'm confident!
@KeggaGee
@KeggaGee 28 күн бұрын
@@EVOQBIKE im doing them! so far, i feel the bulgarian split squat reallllly goes well for me. i do superrrr low reps and pretty solid weight tho
@jeremyleake6868
@jeremyleake6868 Ай бұрын
Great content. I’ve also come to the conclusion that the best way to train functional strength is to challenge yourself while balancing. And important also for cyclists to train in the lateral plane and rotational plane for both strength and lifestyle (so you can function doing basic human things aside from cycling!). I think the trick is to find variants that you find challenging or fatiguing even with relatively low weight. You’ve identified a weakness that is worth addressing.
@johnd.obrien6838
@johnd.obrien6838 Ай бұрын
Question - are these exercises (mainly the deadlines, but also the squats) appropriate/safe for someone with chondromalacia? I've got it under both kneecaps but it is worse on the left...
@rayF4rio
@rayF4rio Ай бұрын
I used to think I had chondo... ..but it was just poor foot support due to the wrong shoes insoles and not using wedges. Switched to Spec shoes and green insoles, no more issues. Lifting never bothered me at all... Provided your technique is good - ie: your knees don't fold inwards as you come out of the bottom of the squat. .
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 28 күн бұрын
sorrry that is out of my wheelhouse and don't feel comfortable making a recommendation. Ask a PT/medical professional
@markusseppala6547
@markusseppala6547 Ай бұрын
I've found out the same thing, strength helps but more strength doesn't necessarily help more. And maintaining that high strength comes with a too high cost. Love single leg rdls, with weight just in one hand it targets the core really well.
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 28 күн бұрын
good mantra for cycling training also: more doesn't necessarily help more
@thecyclinggreek274
@thecyclinggreek274 Ай бұрын
This is great information. While I do some unilateral leg work, this video prompts me to focus on more. I also love the other comments thusfar.
@itsok2023
@itsok2023 Ай бұрын
Thanks for spreading excellent content Brandon. I coach my daughter (she's a pure track sprinter) and unilateral exercises (Single-leg leg press, squat, deadlift), no question do more for her Peak Power (1-10 seconds) than bilateral movements. In fact, I stopped doing unilateral movements for 3-4 months just to investigate and she lost 150 watts. Brought them back in, sprint was up 150 watts in short order.. We still at least 1 bilateral movement but the focus year-round has been unilateral movements. Again, this is n=1 for an athlete working on track sprinting (efforts from 1 sec to 75 seconds). Best to you Brandon.
@Pmor75
@Pmor75 Ай бұрын
One suggestion get a set of gym floor sliders and try to simulate that you are skating, your glutes and quads will fire like crazy!
@EVOQBIKE
@EVOQBIKE 28 күн бұрын
heck yeah!!
@slowcyclist4324
@slowcyclist4324 Ай бұрын
Lifting barefoot is a simple solution regaining your foot mobility and stability. It’s not a golden bullet, but it’s a simple action that doesn’t take any additional effort, but helps stretch the benefits of any lifts that you do.
@frankreyes4
@frankreyes4 Ай бұрын
Human(e) coaching