What elastomer setup to you use, since your up to 65kg? Enjoying the vids btw.

I know i'll be very very noob in my comment. But the sound in LMU gives me big immersion, even better when braking.

Hi,can you do this on AMS2? I triered a lot but is is still hopeless same like acc,that is no FFB but steering againgst a spring Sorrry for the spelling,No reading glasses

I‘ll be damned! When i started sim racing with my Simucube 2 Pro I had it set at 15NM and adjusted in game based purely on the feedback i got from the wheel. Then by diving into settings etc I subscribed to the 100% FFB wheelbase side but I could never get an overall satisfying FFB as some spikes were just too hard to control. Now I know my guts feeling was the way to go! Thank you for this analysis!

Do you know how to stop the game auto saving replays?! If it’s anything like RF2 (which it is) Turing off auto save replays would make everything run somewhat smoother…. Can’t find a toggle anywhere..🤷🏻‍♂️

4:17 I do this always when new session starts and „real road data“ gets syncronized. as soon message goes away i reset my ffb to be sure i have latest road feedback hahah but otherwize saved me so many times 😁.

Amazing worksheet, can you share?

can you do a motec tutorial as well? would be much appreciated.

Thaks you are very helpfull,btw happy new year

I feel the opposite, bad ffb in LMU and many bugs, no really good car feeling in the gt3 cars. But I think it's about what game you have played the most and what you prefer personly, some like it that way and so on. For me LMU have potential and probably great game in 2 year or so but more beta/early access today.

Very informative and technical video. Just a question. Did you consider to lower steering torque capability in game to 13,8Nm when you set maximal torque in Fanatec driver to 55% (=13,8 Nm)? I am wondering if it has any effect on FFB.

I wonder if you are able to feel things in the wheel as that particular one is lighter and not as big as many out there. Maybe I'm crazy and inexperienced, but it seems like the smaller lighter wheel gets more detail out of the wheelbase. Just a thought.

Tried it last night, Too much grip in a wet race… held off imsa track pack

This week I did the same comparison of AM1 and AM2. That's the reason I'm here. I was wondering if anyone else shares my opinion, so I found your video. I do not know how it was in AM2 before patch 1.6, which is said to have changed a lot. I took the same car in two Stock Car V8 games. And my opinion is the exact opposite of yours. The machines in AM1 behave more naturally. They can feel the suspension and tires working. And managing them is more difficult, but much more interesting. In the AM2, it feels like there is no suspension or it is too rigid. This, by the way, can be seen on the replays. The machine in AM2 forgives a lot and often you don't have to worry about throttle metering. For some reason, I didn't think of comparing lap times, but I'll do it somehow. I also liked the graphics in AM1 better. It has more natural colors and is clearer. I am also prepared to say that FFB in AM1 is better than in AM2.

I like the video, great review on a theme, but one thing, your audio killed me, noise gate or something in montage ...

Thanks for the video. I enjoy both ACC and LMU. For me, ACC still lacks rear-end feedback. I was able to solve that with a ButtKicker, so really love the feedback I now get. As far as LMU goes, it seems promising but still (understandably) glitchy on my older system. I was able to solve RF2-esque stutters, but optimization is still low. The FFB is excellent on my 8nm Fanatec CSL DD. I look forward to see how LMU unfolds.

These simple old fashioned open wheelers sort the men from the boys. You can't hide behind slicks and aero?

Could you compare the same thing in Assetto Corsa? In Assetto there is a much wider range of vinatge touring cars and for me they're very good.

Thanks for this video! Are you still modifying the saturation levels in the dd2 preset file? Also, wouldn't it make more sense to match the in-game max steering torque with the limit that you set in the drivers, rather than your potential max of 25nm?

Nice video, some interesting thoughts to listen to. I think you might be too good in the first couple because I've had more moments with locking and understeering in 1.6 for sure, but I also don't really test the limits like you're doing here, I just stay in my single player world 😂 Anyway, credit to Reiza, really enjoyable experience all round, I feel 😀

I’ve tried to get back into AMS2 but it still feels too easy, front end goes wherever you want it to and you can still overdrive the rear, albeit with less usable slip than before.

Nice analysis. I’ve been having probably the most fun I’ve had in sim racing in AMS2 since the update. It’s really good. I do agree with your assessment of the front end grip levels. It’s still a bit too much available. You can get away with way too much brake combined with steering angle. You can also still abuse the slip angle quite a bit however now you will lose time unless you get it absolutely perfect. The diff settings in ams2 are very important in this game. You really need to get it right. When you do it feels even better. The LFM integration has been both good and terrible. In terms of driving standards it’s like the Wild West out there. Hopefully that sorts itself out after the beta ends. There’s also still quite a few annoying bugs present in MP. Thankfully Reiza seems to be prioritizing fixing them. Still a ways to go though.

GT3 really? I prefer LMU and ACC. Weight management and weight feel, that’s why i like ACC. In AMS they are too floaty for me. But.. like you said. Everyone has his own preferences

This game is life-changing in vr+motion sim.

It’s fun, BUT it’s not a sim and even after 1.6 and the newer content still feels like driving on ice.

I only race in VR.

Great analysis. Between this and LMU happy days.

Thanks for the video, I pretty much feel the same way as you after testing update 1.6. Reiza is definitely on the right track. Cars slide around much less, the FFB is even better than before, and there’s no longer a need to make corrections after every corner exit. In short, it’s a big improvement, also in terms of audio, AI and visuals. I don’t know if you noticed, but Reiza released a second small update yesterday. It adjusts the physics further more, cars feel even more connected now. Not everyting is perfect, far from it, but I think the studio will continue to fine-tune the physics and adds features. One thing is clear: the game has never been this enjoyable to drive.

Thanks for the video, bruva!

Nice 😊

nope

Should I rather buy AMS2 or LMU? I dont know wich should I get.....

Sure, studio 397 are doing their best, yeah. I reported countless bugs back in February that are still not fixed 9 months later, despite DLC and paid live service been launched. Meanwhile I reported 2 bugs in the past week on Reiza forum related to 1.6, both bugs got fixed in today's patch. We can talk all day long about the physics quality, but when your tires require low pressure and almost no camber to get temperature and performance, you know something is quite wrong. This is not subjective, try those settings on a real car. For graphics quality, I don't know what to tell you, there is poping all over the place, shadows been drawn 10m ahead of your car, opponent LOD changing 5m in front fo you with bits of body piece pop-in and out of exsitence, not any single grass model, only 2d trees, no upscaler option, runs like poop offline as soon as you have more than 30 AI and take forever to load a track. The onyl thing they got absolutely right is the tone mapping, yes the game looks realistic from an overall ambience and colour scheme, it does not suffer from over saturation like AMS2 or ACC (both can be fixed with reshade or even your video card drivers). At the end of the day, numbers speak for themselves, it is constantly at the bottom of the steam charts since March. If it was a good game we would not need such videos trying to defend the title and pity the dev crying out loud to be supported. Sucessfull games sell themselves.

I think the word "detail" needs to be fully defined....

I don't really have that much of a problem with the GT3 cars in LMU with the force feedback. It's honestly the lmp2 and the hyper cars that are giving me the trouble where slow speed force feedback just falls off to being non-existent and as I call it it's like you're trying to steer an ice cube on a kitchen counter and it's very floaty and doesn't really give you any good sensation of how much grip you have coming out of the corner. That is a bigger problem and it isn't really addressed by looking at GT3, which in my opinion has stronger Force feedback throughout the entire range.

Mate, with all due respect, we as an audience cannot see in a video what you are feeling in the FFB. You are just describing what you are experiencing and that description is an opinion which is no more or less valid than anyone else’s. Opinions are neither right or wrong nor can be classified as misinformation. There are an infinite number of hardware and software combinations. It’s not outside the realm of possibility that what people are experiencing, both good and bad, are valid.

Will be getting the season pack now to support LMU. I have high respect for their background and their ability to keep improving an already excellent sim racer.

The gt3 specs for WEC are different . Little less downforce, and power

Which driver from Fanatec you use? 464?

Does this work with the cs dd? Because my base feels really grainy with 0 smoothness

It's good to see someone analyze comparatively, too many KZbin creators look for clickbait by starting a bit of controversy; FFB is so personal I can't see the point in finding fault with one sim over another when the whole concept is unrealistic but gives a 'feel' for what the car is doing because we can't feel the physical forces involved sat in front of a monitor. Keep the realism coming Gary, real sim racing enthusiasts need this kind of stuff :)

Gary, I do appreciate you taking the time to test both games on the same track, same car. You did not reference who or exactly what was said, but I kept hearing you say "no feeling around center". I have 3000+hrs in ACC and run a long term league there. I also coach the league for racecraft and driving techniques, as well as tune all of our cars. That certainly doesn't make me an authority, but it does give you an idea of where my opinion is coming from. I purchased LMU to test it and consider it for next season for our league. Another member of the league purchased it with me. After going through the typical hurdles of setting up a new sim (getting ffb going properly, fov, etc) we tested a track and car we know as well (happened to be the mclaren GT3 as well on monza) in both games. The immediate feedback from my league driver, which matched what I felt, was the wheel was very detailed, somewhat weighty, and very nuanced during higher speed situations, particularly in a straight line, and initial brake and turnin. By mid apex, and MOSTLY on lower speed corners, the force feedback drops out and does not give good torque alignment ques to let you know where your grip is on the front tires and where the steering angle should be to get proper slip angle hence maximum grip. I actually tested running quite a few laps, and after setting the car up for corners, approaching apex, I could move the steering wheel back and forth a good 10-30 degrees both ways once the car was set in a corner and not feel much of anything in lower speed corners. As soon as the speed picks up again and downforce kicks in, the force feedback feels solid again. This steering manipulation also had almost no impact on my tire behavior (heating, grip, wear) and my laptime didn't significantly change either despite the front tire abuse/test. Both of us were using a simucube 2 pro. I tested various simucube profiles including what I call raw (similar to yours, minimal/0 friction/inertia, no filters, limited smoothing) trying to feel and get any information provided from the game. I also tried nearly every combination of in game ffb settings to try to wake up the ffb for lower speed mid/late corner front grip feel and I was able to get a little bit using very high in game ffb settings but then the ffb was impossibly heavy at high speed or in a straight line (every bump, or pebble in the road was moving the wheel significantly). This exact tendency was referenced by both Nil Naujoks and Jardier, among others. I did not hear them mention any issues at "center" as you mentioned. This is a game breaker for us. A couple of our drivers have RL track cars, and have taken GT3/GT4 cars for track days events. One of them tested LMU with me and he mentioned the lack of front grip/feel and said he had to use visual detection of vehicle yaw/rotation almost purely at the apex/later corner as the ffb was not communicating where steering needed to be at all once weight was transferred and car was set on a slower corner. I did see some top level LMU drivers mention the most recent game patches changed FFB in a negative way as well. The game settings are different (simplified with some settings removed which maybe could help here) and older game guides need updated. Does LMU expose any deeper ffb settings in ini files or editable files? I hope some of this helps. You seem like a decent guy, I'll check out some of your other content!

Just say their names. It's randomcallsign, Jardier, and Nils pearl clutching because their favourite sim is under threat with how LMU is flourishing with these GT3s.

I’m 64 years old and was once a beta tester for Grand Prix Legends, I have used all sims and I must say that LMU is something very special, I’m hoping that they see success and finally release a Historic Le Mans DLC

Tbh i feel lmu feels amazing even after the update lol. Im running asetek invicta so idk. Maybe needs a little work on low speed corners but yeah. The other problem is so many leave there settings alone and expect to judge ffb on titles using identical settings. Its crazy to me lol some people just wont adjust in software or enough in game and jidge things way to fast. Not every single setting works the same in every title. I care about hoe i can make it feel not how ot feels righr when I jump in. The big problem is they will update it and probbaly hurt it if they listen to people because its already heavy enough and detailed enough and the speed and snap is insane. Like jardier, i love jardier but he will not adjust his wheelbase settings. Hes used the stock gt3 setting since getting it which is a greyed out setting. Loved it in acc but he cant expect to go to lmu using it that way and love it lol same for many other youtubers. You cant expect to feel tons of weight with a high nm wheelbase set to 13nm in software then 50% in game lol. Yes in acc its still nice but not in many other titles. Cant blame the game when you wont even adjust a setting. Ir try restarting tbings and moving things arounnd after an update. Im scared to get on and enjoy lmu bevause I know we will probbaly get a ffb update that actually hurts the way it feels becauss its about perfect. Anymore weight wnd the fidelity could get hurt.

I'm surprised you're not covering update 1.6 for AMS2. The improvements are substantial, and I was curious to hear your thoughts on them, especially since you've made a lot of videos about this sim before.

There is a ton of detail. You just need a proper wheel. Try a G Pro with Trueforce and then tell me you don't have detail lol. You can literally feel the engine of the car and the ABS pump through the rig into your pedals. How do you guys even play without it is beyond me. 😅

I just purchased LMU today. Had to spend 45min trying out different settings to even make it driveable in the first place. With default settings I couldn't even drive straight, my wheel would just violently swing from side to side. When I eventually got it working, it was a big disappointment. Contrary to what you say here, I felt like the information in ffb was severely lacking and half the time I couldn't tell at all what my car was doing. Probably for that reason the McLaren felt very shit to drive. I have mostly played ACC, but I've also tried iRacing for a short period of time and the transition between those two games was much easier. In the end I decided to get a refund on LMU. I might give it another shot in the future when they hopefully have polished their product more, but for now I will have to stick with ACC mainly.

I have no issue with the feeling in the center of the wheel. I think, there is really a good feeling. The problem I have with the FFB in LMU is when moving the car at the limit at mid corner. Most of the time it feels as if I would be permanently in understeer and the car is pushing the front tires over a bubbly surface. It feels just weird and it feels constantly the same which is why you cannot really read what the car is doing. I tried hard to love LMU but this is killing it for me. AMS2‘s FFB is far better for me in telling me what is happening to the car. Therefore AMS2 is my absolute favourite at the moment.

ACC drives like on rails. LMU (GT3) very dynamic, like a real race car.