New judo rules will NOT be like the Japanese rules

[@Chadi]

The book “The Origins & History of Judo” is now available on Amazon worldwide in English, French, and Japanese, not just the links below. You can search for it in the Amazon of your own country. Amazon EU: amzn.eu/d/bfEkJmQ Amazon US: a.co/d/dNyMInt Amazon Asia: amzn.asia/d/aRU8ZXn French version: amzn.eu/d/8SN3DNs Thank you all.

[@sebastianmacario76]

Thank You for your work on clearifiying Judo: it's History, it's Methods & Proper Training & Technique, including Proper Application, Rules for Randori, Phylisophical approach, etc. Have a vary good day Sir.

[@Chadi]

@@sebastianmacario76 thank you sir

[@sebastianmacario76]

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[@jtilton5]

Hi, you should check out the ruleset for Freestyle Judo tournaments created by Steve Scoty and overseen by the AAU. You can find them on youtube by looking up freestyle judo, or the channel thewelcomematsyevescott.

[@anthonyalbertkilgrengutier7278]

Can I find it in spamish? It'd be groovy.

[@TheGunnyBadger03xx]

This seems like a "counteroffer" of the Japanese rules. Lame. Too many referees are going to mess this up. I think having a single grip before going to the legs is much easier for everyone, refs and competitors alike.

[@NickKano11]

Yep. I was competing under these rules, and it was a pain in the ass. Referees had to stop to watch the tape to see if it was a legit leg attack or not.

[@xorqwerty8276]

Judo could be so much cooler if the restrictions were taken off to let the art breath

[@Yupppi]

I would prefer the Japanese style of having one arm on the gi permitting leg grab (if I understood the explanation right), but I'm fine with this too.

[@SoldierDrew]

Do you still compete?

[@christophervelez1561]

What is their resistance to not adopting the Japanese rules?

[@agalvan91]

They have to distinguish themselves from Kodokan to justify their corrupt existence

[@christophervelez1561]

@@agalvan91 it seems dumb. I like judo having a single ruleset vice bjj which has a ton of rulesets.

[@NDOhioan]

@@agalvan91 I'd like to think some judo schools might cut ties with the IJF in favor of the Kodokan, because if nothing else it would mean the IJF would lose its monopoly on competitive judo. Sadly, that's probably just a pipe-dream, though.

[@Dippn]

The issue is people playing the shido game with leg grabs. Lots of pro leg grab people are fairly new to competition. They weren’t around during the old days to experience just how bad the stalling was. False attacks during the leg grab days was rampant. I think IJF is really trying to avoid that issue again. False attacks are already pretty bad in modern judo, IJF doesn’t want to make the issue worse. I think they are tooling around with rules to find a good balance, allowing leg grabs, while minimizing stalling/gaming the rules. Honestly a good start. Edits for grammar.

[@mckendrick7672]

​​@@NDOhioanUnfortunately as long as judo is in the Olympics most competitions will remain IJF-aligned - in many countries sports like Judo get government funding specifically because of the Olympics.

[@FeitTilleidei]

I would prefer permitting all leg grabs But this is a good start

[@ddas8554]

This is just sad. No direct leg grab attacks? Morote Gari one of Kodokan techniques is still being excluded.

[@SoldierDrew]

Not excluded from Judo. Only excluded from IJF comps.

[@ddas8554]

@@SoldierDrew yea thats the problem. Most Judo dojos will only practise judo based on the IJF ruleset, and it is very rare to practise techniques that are banned from the IJF.

[@gladiumcaeli]

I rather they do the simple rule like japan but, this is a welcome step in the right direction

[@7Alberto7]

Just free Judo from all this BS,like when i was a young teen....

[@petergallegos5281]

Agreed! This kinda stuff is why I can't stand judo. I can barely take Russian sambo, but it's still more realistic. Thank God for American MMA!

[@Unbox-Haven1]

The new rule set looks promising

[@maitrekano]

Chadi, there is a film called Tatami could you speak about it , i know it went well in France Thanks

[@Chadi]

@@maitrekano you got it

[@ianbaxter1335]

Genuinely excited for the potential return of Te Guruma 😊

[@mckendrick7672]

With this ruleset it doesn't look like it will

[@miljanmandic9633]

I like the kodokan vertion better, this leaves alot up to interpretation and is a bit complex. The simpler the rules the better.

[@NickKano11]

This was a pain in the ass when I was competing around this time. Too many tournaments would have to stop for a referee review. "Did he touch the leg before or after he's allowed to?" This is just annoying.

[@stassenchr]

The Japanese rule is better. This makes it tricky to distinguish - how much of an attack does one need to make before you're able to grab the leg? Can you grab any leg that's attacking you?

[@garethjohn4299]

I think the ruleset being simpler would be beneficial to judo and this version seems more complicated than the Japanese version and so less desirable in my opinion. That said I'll take it for now.

[@npaprika1]

Sad that judo has a dictatorship. This is why 100 rulesets are a better alternative. More reading but fairer

[@bartofilms]

Hey Chadi, I’ve always believed the spirit of the leg grab ban was specifically to counter the increasing entrance of non-Judo techniques into Judo Shiai. If you go all the way back to 2007 World Judo Championships and even before, we started to see a coaching method here in the USA, which emphasized ‘Winning’ a match over demonstration of good, classic Judo technique. I believe these coaching preferences occurred due to BJJ and Greco-Roman Wrestling fluent Judo Coaches teaching their young competitors how to get uke onto his or her back as quickly and easily as possible. Likewise, I personally noticed new Judoka using a form of ‘sacrifice’ Kata Garuma, in which Tori had next to no control over Uke and often dumped him Directly onto his head or neck. I had a BB do this to me as as an Ikkyu, and it literally infuriated me. VERY DANGEROUS and Careless thing to do to Uke. I noticed that there were Judoka advancing into the finals by using Morote Gari, over and over again. I can see why IJF decided to try and curb that activity…. Yes, it won matches, but in many ways I believe it violated the Spirit of Judo, as both a sport and a martial art. These things being said, a classic kata garuma, done from standing is a spectacular throw, and yes, it can be initiated by grabbing the pant leg. Likewise, with kibisu gaishi. The latter actually requires a fair bit of Judo knowledge to set up and use in a match. It is not dangerous to Uke generally either. These are my thoughts. Cheers Chadi. Congrats on your new book.

[@chrisprad8325]

Bjj standing techniques are just judo techniques and greco roman wrestling doesn’t have leg grabs so how would that result in more morote garis?

[@NDOhioan]

@@chrisprad8325 But BJJ standing techniques don't look like their idealized form of judo (even though that's literally *where they come from,*) so clearly that's not "real" judo. "Real" judo only occurs in competitions that ban half of judo. Please don't pay any attention to the fact that argument doesn't make sense, just focus on the fact that judo looks prettier now. 🙄

[@mckendrick7672]

There's no reason to block wrestling from being in Judo - Judo learned a lot from wrestling even in early days.

[@Sam-rb1id]

Trust the IJF to find a way to make a rule change that doesn't satisfy anyone and is too complex to properly referee

[@Haolekine888]

I liked the 2011 rule of leg grabs as secondary attacks.

[@seveylee9865]

I still feel this seems too arbitrary with potential for a lot of 'exceptions'. Yes, bring back leg grabs, but why this 'only this way and not that'. Just make it clear and simple like the AJJF.

[@rickfinsta2951]

I heard very similar to this from a former European team coach this week who was involved in the discussion on some level.

[@dhimankalita1690]

What did he say about the rule?

[@rickfinsta2951]

@@dhimankalita1690 same as Chadi - that the new rules are not going to be as liberal as Japan's change but will at least bring back some of it as he lays out here.

[@Haraldo-l7w]

This has me thinking of ways to use ‘fake judo’ in order to implement the wrestling leg attacks…

[@sg12nk34]

Are leg techniques allowed in a sequence of throws? For example, if you start with an ouchi-gari or kouchi-gari but can't finish it, can you quickly switch to a te-guruma? Or are leg grabs only permitted to complete the original technique, like using a ken-ken ouchi-gari with a leg grab to secure the throw?

[@stassenchr]

This I am unsure about as well.

[@HappyRightNow111]

Sport rules should be as simple as possible. The only thing worse than the current restrictions is making it over complicated.

[@sokarra]

Just use japanese rules. There is too much judges decision involved. And it s really complicated for watchers.

[@josuerodriguez12b]

I am torn between bjj or judo. My school discontinued its judo program right when i started it. But I received my blue belt in BJJ. I love judo personally as I work in a Law enforcement agency and sometimes need to go hands on. I find Judo extremely useful and Muay Thai which I practice alot as well. Should I search out privates for Judo or should I just continue BJJ and learn takedowns every now and then there ?

[@Chadi]

@@josuerodriguez12b takedowns are essential for your job, if you can find a judo club that’s great, if not work on takedowns with your bjj professor and tell them it’s for your job.

[@erins2190]

You're a legend

[@Haraldo-l7w]

I’m going to try making “kodokan rules” the hip choice at my dojo… Are you a kodokan hipster or an IJF stooge?

[@sungjinkim712]

seems like they are making it easier for refs to be given plausible deniability when they are bribed and make a bad call.

[@NickKano11]

Eh, the 2010-2012 ruleset was confusing and too open to interpretation. Either bring them back or don't.

[@NguyenManhquyet]

Such a rule set can cause confusion and make it difficult for referrers to decide. Japanese rules change also require testing in real tournament to prove their effectiveness. In my view, the Japanese rule set appears more reasonable and practical.

[@yohannschroo5644]

On va rigoler je sens de leurs nouvelles règles au "judo" 😊 Allez ! Même Jigoro Kano n'approuverait pas le sport qu'est devenu le judo sérieusement. Partons au MMA, faites comme moi : au moins vous pouvez faire du vrai judo et du vrai jujutsu, en MMA personne ne vous en empêche ! Laissons tomber cet art fichu. Et si vous pouvez vers Orléans pas loin vous avez Philippe Rollin : un club d'ancien judo intégral et de jujutsu japonais traditionnel adapté pour du MMA et une très bonne école de MMA en plus de tout ça (Mr Rollin est 6e dan de judo et a 35 ans de combat libre d'expérience, et est jury). Vous trouverez pas mieux 😊 Sinon le Sambo aussi. Sinon MMA et tracer VOTRE judo et votre jujutsu sans cette fédération qui saccage tout ! Parole d'un passionné de judo et du jujutsu ancien...🎉

[@ronaldjr3092]

so Riner pretty much retires and they kinda bring back leg grabs huh

[@HoyeongShin]

Is it official now from IJF or just a part of discussion in progress?

[@matkobarbarich2971]

For the moments are pure speculation, shintaro higashi did a video 1 day ago and he thinks that the ijf gotta use the new japanese leg grab ruleset, check that video is really good

[@rickard.eriksson]

naaah, this is just gonna make it more confusing. Make a double and single leg illegal. Allow the rest.

[@PaVVroo]

Slow death of Judo will continue with more and more complicated rulesets. In my city in Poland there were 2 judo clubs when I was a child and now there is none and kids prefer BJJ these days.

[@belettedelamort3588]

Thank you very much Chadi for this briefing

[@jamesdavaris99]

Chadi are you french?

[@combatprinciplesmma]

This is bad. I think Japan had a good compromise of having to have one lapel grip

[@mathieuzimmer8321]

There was a reason they did not allow it any more after 2013. Did they forget about those reasons?

[@Jordanthecool7]

What is the reasons besides it looking like wrestling ?

[@stefanorossi9643]

This is complicated, I think that the Japanese rules are easier to follow.

[@Joel-xt5yz]

the first rule is no good. it is just making the escape harder so there are less technique to be shown. if they want to see judo, aka demonstration od technique, then just add the rule saying you must immediately attack when you grab the leg

[@Deimian676]

So is this ruleset for everyone that studies judo?

[@Fanaro]

This complicates things so much. Try explaining this to spectators while the fight is happening... I think it might make things more controversial even.

[@ResTAnimous]

tout ça n'est que supposition pour l'instant, du moins, je l'espère car à part créer de nombreuses erreurs d'arbitrage, je ne sais pas ce que ça va faire

[@kerpal321]

is the camel clutch allowed

[@matkobarbarich2971]

Please please say this is a rumor and there is a chance to get the japanese ruleset😭🙏

[@matkobarbarich2971]

And if the ijf aint gonna take the japanese ruleset, there is a possibility of they gotta do it in a proxime future???

[@kowalski363]

I ordered your book. Suppose to show up today.

[@Chadi]

@@kowalski363 thank you 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@thomass.4007]

I promise you that I and most other fighters will do a lot less upright judo throws like uchimata and standing seoi nage. Everyone gonna rather wait and Counter with leg grabs. This is not a good thing

[@NDOhioan]

@@thomass.4007 "I and most other fighters will be doing a lot less upright judo throws..." *GOOD.* "This is not a good thing" Judo competitions allowing more judo very much *is* a good thing. Reducing the amount of judo in judo for the sake of aesthetics is dumb.

[@thomass.4007]

@@NDOhioan It made judo to an unique upright grappling sport though, making us safer from knees and punches. So either we go straight to combat sambo, or we preserve the upright judo somehow

[@NDOhioan]

@@thomass.4007 "unique upright grappling sport" Greco-Roman wrestling exists. If you want upright grappling, just do Greco. Neutering judo because you like a certain posture is dumb.

[@thomass.4007]

@@NDOhioan Guess you never watched greco-roman, or any nogi grapplimg sport. Without the Gi, you push your heads together and pummel your arms around. It has nothing to do with the upright hands flying around in judo like its a boxing match. There is no upright grappling sport like Judo in the last decade

[@NDOhioan]

@@thomass.4007 Even then... so what? Why should judo neuter itself to cater to your obsession with the particular stance taken? "So either we go straight to combat sambo, or we preserve the upright judo somehow" That doesn't make any sense. Judo competition lasted over a century while allowing leg grabs without needing to become a re-hashed sambo ("bUt It LoOkEd UgLy In tHe 2000's!" whoop-dee-doo. It's a martial art, not a beauty contest.) This is the same argument I hear people make to justify unrestricted butt-scooting in BJJ, and it makes no sense. It's a cop-out argument rooted in a mindless, black-or-white mindset where grappling arts aren't allowed to overlap or else a sport "has to" allow striking... because reasons.

[@matkobarbarich2971]

This is definitive or there is a possibility of take de japanese ruleset

[@matkobarbarich2971]

And if the ijf aint gonna take the japanese ruleset, there is a possibility of they gotta do it in a proxime future???

[@johnlopez9014]

Why does it feel a lot more lame?

[@belettedelamort3588]

Why the IJF wants to be so GAY????? Judo will continue to repulse a lot of athletes

[@horstnasenblut8364]

WTF...

[@THEJKDMAN]

Please no... Stop ruins this art.

[@ltnnakkmendoza]

As a French, i assume you saw that french newspapers have written it was a way to end Riner's domination? I'm not in Judo, eventhough i love using it in MMA. But i think it's navel gazering from french medias. Riner is near to retirement and Japanese have more fighters in small weight classes. And they would change the rules for one man near to retirement? Am i wrong?