This is the "Gold Burn" color. I get compliments on it everywhere I go. Truly a beautiful bike.

Thanks for the input. Hopefully you at least skipped to the end to see the results.

I haven’t done any experimenting. I know it’s only “officially” rated for 44T but there was a TON of B-gap adjustment left. I really doubt you’d have any issue with 46T. Maybe 48T, but I’d worry about shift quality at that point.

Ummm, thanks? It seemed to go on pretty easily for me, compared to some more difficult combos. I recently moved these tires to my Zipp 303S wheels and they installed super easy as well.

They both have pros and cons. I like the ride feel of the challenge much better. I think speed is probably a wash between the two although drum tests says the RS is faster. Install on the challenge is a nightmare. And the challenge had much worse durability. The RS held up a lot better. If you watched my unbound 2022 video you can see the slices in my tires which forced me to DNF. Admittedly, they were great until Unbound.

@@JMCyclingVideos thx for reply. According to BRR, puncture score on tread for Getaway is actually higher than RS (52 VS 33), sidewall is about the same. I'm between these two tires and couldn't make final decision. RS is slightly faster (1+ watt saving per tire according to BRR), weight about the same, but Getaway is not easy for installation, I watched some videos how to ,make installation earlier, but honestly "easier way" (with some tricks) still not that easy.

Glad it helped you! It’s a small but important measurement, in my opinion. And eye opening to see such a big difference between two versions of the same saddle. That’s definitely enough to throw off seatpost adjustments.

@@JMCyclingVideos I got the same sort of response from Selle Italia as I did from bikesdirect. I am going to try a knockoff now as this really is annoying. Thanks for your comment and keep up the good videos

I think that’s absolutely a good idea. If you run a tube that’s low rolling resistance such as latex or TPU you’re going to be in the same ballpark. Just plan to run slightly higher tire pressures to prevent pinch flats. And if you decide to go tubeless later, you’re ready.

I actually level my even with the front and back. I’ve played around with it a bit and for me, that works best. I’d recommend trying it both ways to see what’s best for you.

@@JMCyclingVideos thanks so much

Excellent comment and something that is often overlooked. Yes, this saddle is grippy and adjustments require a lift off the saddle. To me, that's a positive because I like to be held in when I'm where I want to be, but to some, it may be uncomfortable.

Well, that’s a bummer but at least they took care of you. I haven’t heard an issue with RED so I bet you’ll be OK with it. Good luck!

Thanks for sharing your experience. It’s always good when others share their experience in the comments. I did, later, have one single puncture in my front tire. But I used a plug and it’s been solid since.

Thanks for the input. I definitely have some ideas for changing up the testing protocol, especially for tests like this that are relatively easy to make changes quickly in between tests.

Yes! 100% put lots of carbon paste. And I always had the best luck when I torqued to the maximum spec. Hope it works out well for you!

If you’re going mostly road, definitely 35c. Rolling resistance and aerodynamics will be better. You’ll have to be more cautious off road but 35’s would still tackle all but the chunkiest of gravel. Just my opinion of course.

@@JMCyclingVideos thanks for the quick response, appreciate it! 🙂

Some people like to know how difficult they are to install, how much they weigh (compared to manufacturers claims) and how they measure out once installed. For example, buying a 34mm tire hoping it installs out to 34mm but being disappointed that it only sizes up to 32mm, like I demonstrated here.

I know that would be a good test for airflow, but is there something else I would see while riding?

​@@JMCyclingVideos Yes, wether they get foggy when breathing hard...

Ah that makes sense. I haven’t had much of an issue with fogging in any of my sunglasses, these included. I’ve worn them during some warm humid morning rides and no issues 👍.

@@JMCyclingVideos Good to know. Thank you!

20 internal 26 external.

Sorry they didn’t work out well for you. I’m much smaller at around 65-70kg most of the time so I don’t strain my wheels that much. Plus I don’t do a lot of long descents so I don’t put as much break wear on them.

@@JMCyclingVideos yeah, my first pair got deformed the breaking surface, on the second pair the rear hub is somehow destroyed, tried 4 different mechanics (it pulls the chain of freewheeling).. in addition on each of them i changed many small parts, spokes, bearing mutliple times... my experience with bikes and components: if a price is too good to be true it's probably not good ;).

That last statement is so true. I’m running some Zipp 303S right now so I kind of went the same way!

Coming from the Corsa Pro 26’s (see my past videos on those if you haven’t) honestly I can’t feel much difference in speed. Comfort is on another level though. I’ll have an initial review on these soon.

You know I think you probably could. Downsides I think would just be that it would be messy.

That’s great to hear! I did get one puncture on mine since this video but I’ve patched it up and it’s been going strong since.

That’s tough to say. I’m not sure what the terrain you’re going to be on looks like. If you’re getting into mud or some really chunky gravel, maybe something with some more tread. If it’s road/light gravel and only a few smaller sections of chunky stuff, then the RS should work fine.

Some people say that. I didn’t experience that though. May be because I didn’t have the ultra thin ones for disc brakes. Maybe that’s different? I can’t say for sure.

I did post this quite some time ago. I know they’ve gone down in price since then.

Cheapest as in cheap quality or just cheapest price because you had high end stuff?

@@JMCyclingVideos quality. We always made fun of zipps. Zipp right back to buy better ones we said. It's Chinese carbon fiber and the quality just isn't there. Good starter set. I ride MTB. I've tried enve race face...all of them. I ride wtb rings with hope hubs now.

Good to hear input from someone with a wide range of experience.

All SRAM except cassette.

Are you useing a flattop chain?

Yep flattop. It’s all SRAM AXS except the cassette. Because I didn’t want to swap to an XDR freehub.

Wow 12 months without a top up? Thats fantastic!

@@JMCyclingVideos Yes. The endurance version is unbelievable.

I understand your frustration. Many bikes these days are going to proprietary parts, like seat posts, stems, and handlebars. Since my fit is dialed in, I’m good, but any adjustments would be difficult and expensive with everything integrated.

That does make sense. But I really would’ve thought a 30-40% difference would see a bigger change.

Good question! No, these tires are not direction. That's in contrast to the Vittoria Corsa Pro Control tires which will be featured on the channel soon and ARE directional. Subscribe if you haven't already to be notified when that video comes out.

I appreciate the comment and sub! Keep your eyes open because I’ll have another Vittoria tire video soon.

Thanks for the insight. Makes sense. I still prefer my simpler tools though. But glad to know there’s a purpose for it.

That’s really what I was looking for. It is definitely not a lightweight but it feels really solid.

@@JMCyclingVideos what do you consider lightweight? I’m building up a gravel bike right now and would be thrilled if it came in under 20 pounds. I know I could save some serious weight if I wasn’t hell bent on having a dropper post, but the heart wants what the heart wants…

I have some weight weenie tendencies so I’d be thrilled with under 8kg. Unless I got some super light wheels/tires and maybe a lightweight integrated cockpit I don’t think it’s in the cards for this build. But I’m trying to fight the urge because I know it doesn’t make near as much difference as people once thought.

“Weight is just a number in the scale” - that is what the more rational voice in my head keeps telling me 😅 For the records, my Ti road/gravel 2x bike is also 8.5kg with road tires, so maybe you will find a way to get yours sub-8 😊

I'm trying! Keep an eye on the channel and you might see some of the steps I take to lighten it up!

Try using the cleats that came with the Look pedals. I bet that will help.

Nope. Basso bikes are made in Italy 🇮🇹. One of the reasons I chose it.

@@JMCyclingVideos certainly Basso has copied the frame characteristics of the big 5 bike companies.. frame looks like a canyon. Credit for keeping production in Italy. Basso has always been quality company…

I’m 100% sure there’s a lot of carry over on frame characteristics from all of the companies. But each have their own unique features (in most cases at least). I just like to be different and we don’t see too many Basso’s around my area.

Glad you’re enjoying yours! Mine has so far been great on fast road rides and gravel rides. I’ll be doing more videos featuring the Palta so subscribe if you haven’t yet!

I agree. I have checked in on them since the initial install and the head has recessed a bit into the liner just over time. I think it’s ok to carve a spot through to seat the head of the zip tie. Shouldn’t have any impact on the structure of the foam liner.

My riddlers weren’t tubeless compatible so I ran them at around 55psi with tubes. When I run any gravel tires tubeless, it’s usually in the 30-35psi range. Don’t fear going low on pressure. I did a video recently about tire pressures and there wasn’t a whole lot of difference other than comfort. Check it out if you’re interested.

@@JMCyclingVideos thanks for the reply. I've just watched your video about the experiment with three rides with different pressure values. Quite an interesting video, but the thing is that I run my riddlers at a way higher pressure. I inflate them to 75 psi. And in this case they really make a great difference on asphalt. Also, I found out that the manufacturer declares that their pressure must be 55 psi maximum, but the tire itself has it written on its sidewall: "maximum pressure 75 psi". So, long story short, I feel like the formula in my case could be: tubed wtb riddlers. With high pressure for commuting, and with lower one - when riding off-road. Thus, I gain benefits of easy mounting in case of punctures. And of enormous speed when riding on the road. I just can't believe that there is any tubeless tire that can be as fast as a tubed wtb riddler at 75 psi. If there's anyone who can prove me wrong - please do so.

Whatever works best for you is the what you should do. Higher pressure will for sure be faster on smooth payment. Give the Zipp or Silca tire pressure calculator and see what they recommend then adjust from there.

I average 4-5000 miles per year. Not all of those miles go on one bike or one set of tires.

@@JMCyclingVideos well alrright, that doesn't change the fact that 1000-1500 miles is nothing and shouldn't be called "long term" especially when you run any modern tyre, they should last minimum 2x/3x as much without any worries.

I understand your mindset but there are also a lot of people out there who still run certain wheels and tires for race only. And for those, 1500 miles is more than they’ll see on a set

Different people different need and miles per month 😂 I commute on them someone race on them. 1k my monthly number😂 Thanks for video 👍🏻 very informative

So true! Thanks for watching.

A little more than 50% of retail. I went with 2x because it’s going to be more versatile for road and gravel. I run a 48x35 up front and a 10-33 on road and 10-36 on gravel. If you watch my 2024 3T Exploro bike update, I go more into the details there, which is why I didn’t do a long detailed video this time on the same build with a different frame.

Wow glad you were able to find this color way. I think it’s pretty rare. Rim brake or disc? As for the cages, they’re Blackburn Camber in matte black and orange. I’m honestly not sure where to find them.

@JMCyclingVideos same colour as yours. I'm buying it used for 1 grand, but no wheels and no groupset to save some money, since I already own a dura ace r9000. Do you recommend this frame? Please tell me as much as you can about it

I love my Wilier. I’m not using it currently because I’m using my gravel bike currently for everything, but the Wilier is a rapid race bike. Lightweight for being an aero bike and stiff. I used mine only with electronic shifting though so I can’t comment on cable routing for mechanical shifting.

I would typically run what the Zipp tire pressure calculator said, although sometimes I’d go on the higher side of it due to the expectation that higher pressure were faster. Now I’ll definitely be running on the lower side due to comfort.

Thanks for watching! Videos like this do take a lot of time and work but I enjoy doing it and hope they help others. I think prioritizing comfort is best for longer duration gravel rides and races.

What was the issue with being tubeless? Did they just leak down or did you have some other issue? I’m curious.

I do have this bike, but it’s currently without a group set or wheels, and is not for sale. Sorry,

@@JMCyclingVideos sorry. Actually, I crashed my bike. And since long, trying to find the frame for this bike. I actually don’t need a group set or wheels. Just the basic frame. Can we have some arrangement done…

I do appreciate the interest but I’m just not interested in selling this bike. I’ve had too many memories with it and it has some sentimental value to me. I’m sure with a little time and effort you’ll be able to find this frameset for sale somewhere else.

@@JMCyclingVideos God bless you dear. U spoke your heart out. Yup, bikes are like this… thanks for the reply. Stay safe. Happy cranking… Will ask NO more…

Whenever you do plan to sell this bike or frame, please please do let me know. Thanks

That’s good information to know! I’ve never considered this. Thanks for sharing. UV exposure is no joke.

That is quite a bit larger on only 18.5mm rims. I would've expected those to end up closer to 28mm on that rim width. Sorry that's a bit too big for your bike.

Glad you’ve had a similar experience to me with how fast the tires are. But, I can’t say that I had the same issue seating them. They were no harder than normal tires for me. But I didn’t seat them on my Zipps, but my Hunt wheels. I’ll report back if I install them on my 303s and have any trouble.

Don't blame the tire blame the rim. Zipp is shit. Hookles shit

Width at the nose is approximately 35-40mm depending how far up it is. I had trouble with thigh rub on other saddles like the Berk Lupina and prologo dimension. This one is much better than those. Overall, I’d say comfort is a bit better than the carbon version, but not significantly so. I expected it to be a bit more plush than it actually is. Perhaps it still needs to break in a bit though. Hope this helps!

I use a GoPro and use the Garmin VIRB application to overlay data from the Strava file.