Just a rules thing: in the video it seems like Ian is making the point that you need to be careful in maelstrom because you can be compelled into combat on turn 1. As per the faq, this is not the case.

Hawt dam. Great video guys!

Finally someone covering this topic 👏🏻

on the subject of elites in objectives, i just want to mention something that wasn't really touched on. you dont always need higher numbers or to kill all the enemy near an objective, you just need to move them away. stuff with spellcasters or monsters can really swing numbers. i play a really small barad dur army, and sauron has saved my butt repeatedly in stuff like capture or hold ground. casting instils fear, then barging then killing can pretty much clear out an objective zone, even a 6" one. only a couple kills, but time it right and you can grab a win right out of the heart of the enemy army. cheeky compels to pull models off objectives before they count as holding them or tranfixes to stop them getting there. hurls to slow advances etc. interference and shenanigans, rather than a straight up brawl on the point.

Great video idea gents!

TOP TIER INTRO animation lads!!!! -Sean

i dont agree. if you are playing with a non hero monster you should be also adding another hero or unit that would be able to support it. barrow whites, ringwraiths ect to prevent it from just simply bieng killed by a hero with strike something you would be doing regardless if you had a monster or not when playing armies that have those options. and how are you getting your monster killed turn 2? iv never had a monster die that fast.

as an isengard player, the poland dummy list is fun, but lacking in Xbows to be taken seriously🤣particularly in good Vs evil. between gandalf,galadriel and cirdan about 2 thirds of good armies are gonna have blinding light, so ballista lose a lot of effectiveness. they are too 'all or nothing' into ranged. and without the full rerolls, not worth losing th named heroes for in the legion (imo) but Xbows, apart from shooting, are also F4 S4 D5 C3 warriors that you can slap infront of pikes. so you shoot at what's outside the bubble, and/or march at it with a horde. your actual investment into ranged is about 2-4% of your points limit. at 800 you can run 4-5 heroes and 45-60 troops, (so 15-20 xbows+hero bows) mostly all uruks. at least double if not triple or quadruple march, could grab a drum, 11-15 might points, grab some cheap fearless with the oathmaker, just a big fast grindy, fightly, shooty mess🤣

Irolas over Madril? really? :D

20:00 If you're seeing that horde armies eat up all the time of the game, why don't you use a chess clock?

Sometimes inreally think Into the West are Stück in their bubble lists 😂

I'm still traumatized from the last time I played Storm the Camp with low defense evil infantry against elven shooting....

Well, this is proof that host of the drag emp is OP. I always thought Gandalf was kind of bad, is it a new thing to use him? Also, I just want your opinion on this as some extremely strong players, is triple transfix any good (WK + mouth + wraith) in not just good vs evil, or is it just not competative?

Hahaha I also always confuse Dark Denizens of Mirkwood and Fell Beings of Mirkwood

Can you link the stream channel?

22:55 This list seems bred for some purpose… death to the Dragon Emperor. Pike block isn’t great when the middle Pike is moved out of base contact, but still within 1” of the original (imagine slightly to the side). This cuts the dice way down, potentially out of banner too, and can trap the model. All while worrying about Gwahir hurling the weak Easterlings through tons of Pike supports.

I was team Captain for Canada! I’m one of the founder of the Québec league. I tried really hard to get guys from all over Canada but no one from the west answered! We tried to get some of the Ontario players but none were available unfortunately. We still had a lot of fun but didn’t manage to win a round. We are currently working on a team for next year already! Has we enjoyed pur experience

Thanks for sharing fellas.

I was part of team Canada! It was my first Tournament and I had only been playing for a few months (I am a very quick learner). I got away with 2 wins, one was a major victory so I came out of the Tournament feeling quiet good even though we were dead last I still enjoyed myself and learned a lot for the next time. Hopefully team Canada pulls together a good team for next year and maybe ill get to join in one way or another haha. Also the list I brought was not as competitive as it could have been (pretty much low might Angmar with WK, Tainted, 2 Wights and a Shade) so I knew I wouldn't be winning all my games.

POLSKA GUROM

Did everyone have to speak English ?

I think the AoL player ignored the Orc Trackers and Prowlers 4+ to hit because in a Team event he is much more likely to run into Blinding Light (Poland had 2 out of 3 lists with it as an example and probably expected the same from many others) compared to normal events so everything will hit on 6s anyway. Poland probably wants to use this list to counter the other team's shooting list too so then having the extra range is more important than normal since when the orc trackers and prowlers get in range they risk a lot of good shooting coming back to them. Then having 18" range is way more important and they can then play the list more defensively to avoid giving up points. Something that is almost as important as getting wins in team formats. In single events you need to be able to win each game with good margins/tie breakers to have a shot for the first place and thus need to be able to be more aggressive (like prowlers) to score all those points. That is not as needed here.

I know some of the guys from team canada and yeah they were assembled on short notice and just wanted to participate and have fun

Great break down. I'm taking Thraduil's halls to an event this weekend.

Moria's army list is super cool with the big monsters. The Cave drake positioning was risky, maybe you should have waited one extra turn to have the goblins surround the cave drake to prevent trapping :o

Not sure about Amdur over Rutabi like. Even if it's just marginally. She's got more tools for less. Also. The captain. The march can stack with the drum. That's insane if you pull it off.

There is nothing stopping youfrom taking Eorl and other named rohan heros. If you are playing foot Rohan, its actually a pretty strong combo.

I finally decided to get into MESBG, starting with Lothlorien.

Do you have any plans of doing a teir list on one of the dwarf factions? Would be fun :)

If anyone else was unsure if the Huntsman can specifically target a horse, here's the relevant FAQ: Q: As a King’s Huntsman always passes an In The Way roll on a 2+ when they target a Cavalry model, does the 2+ mean they will hit the rider, or their choice of rider or mount? (p.66) A: When a King’s Huntsman shoots at a Cavalry model they must declare whether they are targeting the horse or the rider. If they hit the Cavalry model, they will hit the targeted part of that model on a 2+.

Would love to have some pics and some of the dimensions (how high are the walls for example) on the helms deep build. I am planning my own helms deep and am looking for inspiration.

A really interesting take on Rohan and is food for thought on ways to improve my Rohan builds. Good stuff!

Please stop saying Feel and replace it with Think. Men think, women feel.

Siege weapons should definitely be in the game, its not a competitive game and should be based around whats competitive. Sieges are an actual thing in this game and there they are fun. Defence and offensively. They are also fun to play with, not against yeah, but you cant say they arent fun to use when they are for the person using them.

I didnt see Mouth of Sauron mentioned! 😳

Love the generic Ringwraith pick! Under-rated for sure! 😎

Do you think Grima is tooo powerful for 25 points? I’ve had some complaints in my games when I use him since a lot of people just don’t seem to know how to counter him

I get that you lose the army bonus if you take Eorl and other named Rohan heroes, but you can run him with Gamling and Theoden to get the FV buff and a chance for 2 Might every turn on Eorl . . . no Str +1 on the charge, but that's the only downside . . .

15:59 If they gave Eomer the Arise Riders of Theoden! Special rule, I think it would balance him perfectly!

All the other heroes with banner have 6" aura (Boromir, Halabarad, Suladan) I find sad that the big nerf on the Gamling banner did not compensate the rule loss by giving it the same range as all the other "royal banners"

Hot take: aragorn should drop to 190 points but go down to D4 base. And Aragorn strider should go down to 120 points but lose his might store Give him some usage!

Would have really liked your opinion on Ghan and his dudes too.

What elven army do you recommend to start with? I have never played Warhammer but its my favorite faction. Thanks a lot 😊

I think mosters should have a minimum roll in battle like 2+ or for the biggest monsters 3+, meaning if you roll lower it's that number or you opt to re-roll one or all such dice (banner-like)?

Im totally surprised yall didn't add Hama to legend tier, with your on brand bad takes

Awesome video guys! I would love to see one for Gondor soon as I just started the game with the tin cans as my first army.

Wish Eorl got some love in a LL or something. I know he's great at lower points but jeez

Ive been playing a bit with defenders of helms deep, i actually really rate Aldor in that list. If youre already taking gamling with royal standard having a 1 might hero to start getting "free might" is great, at 10 points cheaper than Haleth. The rerolling bow is pretty nice too with the ability to might as needed. I wouldnt put him above fortitude but i would easily drop 2 warriors to slot him in, only with gamlings banner though.

Putting Theodred in Legend but not Gorulf ? Shameful! #justiceforDunland