@@vekkstar do you mean, if i might do a video about that? (happy to! someone else asked about gender identity so i thought that might be a good place to start). or do you mean, do i, in my research? (yes, but it sounds like you might know that already!)

@@hollylawford-smith Yes. I actually am gender critical in a different (or further?) sense, via the work of Maria Lugones, for example (but not only). I feel the entire gender system is very bound up with colonialism. It is exasperating. I don't deny that trans*, among some, is an attempt to live otherwise (including for me). I find the current mainstream of trans activism (if I have to use that term) fraught. But then there is so much that is taking up oxygen politically (indeed, oftentimes with little connect to trans lives as lived... but silences abound). It's a long conversation, I won't burden you with it. Suffice to say I was interested in your talk and sad I missed it.

@@haydenwalton2766 sounds to me like you might be treating 'feminism' as a monolith and blaming some for the sins of others. there are many different types and it's absolutely not the case that most or even many don't rely on logic and reason (and indeed, given that it's a sexist stereotype against women that they lack rationality, it's hardly a credible take on their liberation ideologies).

@hollylawford-smith why shouldn't I treat it as a monolith when 95% of its portrayal (and power) through the media, academia, the arts and politics (rhetoric and legislation) is expedient and does (IMO) lack logic and reason ?

@hollylawford-smith I replied, but it's been booted to 'newest'

Honestly man...the problem is you

​@@haydenwalton2766 what does that mean, "its portrayal... is expedient"?

that's actually why i flagged at the start of the video that i am the author of both sets of claims. it would be great if the trans activists would set out the disagreement as they see it, but 'no debate' tends to get in the way of that. if you can persuade one of the trans activist commentators you trust to do a version of this video from their perspective, or to do a response video, that would be stellar. i'm happy to provide my slides.

Rather than just telling us that holly is biased and misrepresenting both GC feminists and trans activists, why not just come out and correct the claims you think are wrong? Be specific.

How are boys/men or girls/women "supposed” to think or feel, want to dress like or act? You must be able to provide specific standards for each sex for what you are contending to make any sense whatsoever. If there is no correct way of being a man or a woman, then how can there be a "mismatch" between what they are and how they feel? Why is it that you believe females do not deserve single-sex spaces or single-sex activities? Explain why such blatant intolerance of female rights and protections, the notion that female boundaries should not be accepted or respected, is a morally justifiable position.

You mean the “science and medicine” produced in support of a billion$+ industry? Is that the same “science and medicine” that one hundred years ago prescribed hysterectomy to cure depression?

@@paulba6697when an anti trans activist says be specific you know you are wasting your time.nothing you say will make a difference no matter how accurate, so move on and talk to those that are open minded.

Yes gender and sex are the same. If a person wants to present as opposite sex/gender it’s their choice. Problem is there needs to be some restrictions for safety and fairness of women. Even women who present as men have restrictions for their safety. They’re not sent to men’s prisons.

They start that way, then mix the two when its convenient. For example, "Trans women are women". This is a sneaky way of inserting sex into the statement without saying the word sex. If you take gender to its logical conclusion, its essentially a form of sexism, or expectation of how a sex should act or behave. Its a completely indefensible position, so they often sneak an indistinction in and claim its 'gender' when its not.

are these academics or activists you're listening to the presentations of? that's interesting. i wonder if they've moved away from the sex denialism over time, because no one was buying it. i still see a lot of evasive language around sex, but that could be more motivated by the close associations between e.g. 'male' and 'man' than by actual endorsement of sex pseudoscience. (i definitely do still see some trans activists out there claiming that cross-sex hormones change their sex. i think india willoughby made this claim recently).

@@hollylawford-smith Several were academics, but not all. From the various discussions I've seen, trans ideologues define 'cis' people as someone whose sex matches their gender, while a trans-person is someone whose sex does _not_ match their gender. Trans-women in these discussions freely concede that they were born male (or to use their phrasing, "assigned male at birth") but go on to say that they have always "felt like a woman" (whatever that means). Clearly, their description of what it means to be a "trans-woman" as well as what it means to be "cis" is logically incompatible with the idea that sex and gender are the same. The philosopher Tomas Bogardus has done a detailed analysis of the various ways "gender" has been construed by the trans community, and concludes that none of them make sense: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYK4nGesnLSni5I

​@@wardandrew23412the philosopher tomas bogardus and i are friends :)

But those gay men who used estrogen didn't want to look like men. I've been castrated and take low dose estrogen and am a gay male. I don't wear women's clothing but want to maintain my adolescent twink body as a boy and this is the best way to do it after maintaining a low weight. I don't need any social accommodation and just live my life.

yes, it seemed to me that they chose to put some of the sillier elements of their ideology to the side in order to present a plausible argument. (and their argument was still pretty implausible!)

Voluntary modifiers will lead to massive employment discrimination like telling a potential employer you have a partner who is of a different race. It has to go through everyone's filter and there's no grace in the days of social media. Within 3 months, there will be federal adult hormonal bans for changing sex based traits. RFK Jr. has the polio and Covid vaccines on the chopping block with SSRI's and birth control on deck. Keeping adult gender medicine legal in a dictatorship is the least of our issues while northern States are being starved of food in an attempt to force compliance of governance. How it will rationally be argued is that females who take testosterone can supposedly have subsequent birth defects. All they have to do is show one and the math on whether it did or not need not be proven. Most transwomen and even pedophiles are shorter because they project a non-adult male identity and try to slow up growth through restriction of protein/calories. Mild anorexia isn't punishment but is all one has to maintain who they are. Many pass but there's a huge confirmation bias as the one's you see, don't obviously pass.

She who knows only her side of the argument knows little of that? The JS Mill thing.

People with Disorders or Differences of Sexual Development are still male or female. In humans there are no haemaphrodites.

Literally every single human being is either male or feed male, even people with intersex conditions.

@River10081 who?

"Intersex" conditions are birth defects, they are not the result of the normal developmental process. Humans are classified as bipedal, but the fact that some humans are born with fewer than two legs does not mean that bipedalism exists on a spectrum.

I think they expect you to pause the video if you want to study what's on the screen in detail. However, for that to work, they have to show a good clear shot of any text.

@annekearns3484 i actually thought i had it up for the right amount of time given that i always had it up while i read out the words on it! is it that you're reading it for yourself and more slowly than i am reading it out? i'm doing my best here 😂

@@hollylawford-smith by the time the document was back on the screen, I didn't have time to find the correct place before it disappeared again.

You can pause the video to read the slides! Tap once, to bring up the control, tap the the 2 vertical lines to pause, then again to brighten the screen. Read...rinse and repeat.

​@@punkhammer5903 No I can't as the phone screen puts icons which cover the screen up.

It's a self ID that doesn't require the affirmation of other people, just like having a favorite food is a self-id. Gay rights are based on the idea that some people are attracted to those of their own sex and that they deserve freedom from discrimination and legal protections and privileges just like people who are opposite sex attracted. This only makes sense if you acknowledge the role that sex plays in people's decisions to form relationships with each other. Nice try, though.

@@nitemvres2749 the existence of gay rights and protections is itself an affirmation they require from other people. it's just "wokism" 10 years ago. but now they think they are god-given rights that no longer need to be justified, and they are in a safe position so they can afford to oppose other people's rights

No gay rights are completely different from what the TQ community are trying to do, LGB are all based around sex. Where the trans are all about gender identity validation and affirmation.

@@MrNobody66 how do you know that a gay man isn't actually a meta-attracted AGP who wants to feel "girly" by dating another man, who also wants to be "the girl"? most of them are "bottoms", you know.

@@MrNobody66 i'm old enough to remember the gay rights activists from 10+ years ago. they never said "sex". it was all about diversity, tolerance, inclusion, social progress, human rights, equality. you know the stuff that are nowadays viIified as w**e.

@@adiudicium this video was just intended as an overview of the two group's claims, but we could do one on what gender identity is. what do you think would be more helpful: a) what they say it is (e.g. trans activist academics), or b) what is a steelman version of what it could be?

​@hollylawford-smith the only thing worth doing in regards to queer theory is to systematically debunk the ridiculous claims and statements it makes. It's nothing but agenda driven political propaganda, not based in any real scientific or medical research, & that needs to be clarified.

Transgender people are transgender and they appear in every culture across history. If it ws so black and white they would not be here.

Great question. Soon to be challenged in the war for power and control?

Trans wonen have bigology and most lesbians support trans people. So no.