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@DJJIMBREESE
@DJJIMBREESE Сағат бұрын
Awesome video. I’ve got this desk, it’s a beast. It’s all about clipping the individual channels then the output stage. It’s like the good button. Master EQ sounds great too. We’re not talking transparent here, everything about the board is vibes!
@gameon2000
@gameon2000 4 күн бұрын
Espen Kraft showed on his channel his $100 Mackie VLZ 1202 is 99% identical to SSL Six soundwise. ❤
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 4 күн бұрын
@@gameon2000 Did not know he did a video on these two aswell! Will check it. All the best, Tobi
@nausomehow
@nausomehow 5 күн бұрын
Meines Wissens war das nicht die Raab Konsole, die er in seinem Tonstudio genutzt hat. Erst letztes Jahr wurde die angebliche Raab Konsole von einem Berliner Tonstudio verkauft. Die in dem Video gezeigte Konsole war das jedenfalls nicht. Lässt sich auf verschiedenen Bildern im Vergleich auch gut nachvollziehen.
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 5 күн бұрын
@@nausomehow Moin! Ich habe tatsächlich Kontakt zu dem Berliner Tontechniker der alle drei ADT Konsolen von Raab übernommen haben soll. Ich habe selber ein Video gesehen in dem Stefan sein Studio mit einer ADT der selben Baureihe zeigt - ob es unter den dreien tatsächlich diese ist lässt sich schwer nachvollziehen. Hoffe das hilft :) Mich würd jetzt natürlich brennend interessieren welche Konsole du gesehen hast, vielleicht kriegen wir das zusammen? Beste Grüße, Tobias
@meskisable
@meskisable 7 күн бұрын
Consoles are obsolete and waste of money. If you want hands on control use motorized faders.
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 7 күн бұрын
Hi! Thanks for your input :) Yes Computers and Plugins are capable of doing almost everything now, but I have yet to find a motorized fader solution that works flawlessly with all DAWs and have either got the cannel switching right (mackie control is a pain) or have a sufficient amount of faders! Plus these consoles just sound beautiful, so why not? Hope that helps! All the best, Tobi
@meskisable
@meskisable 7 күн бұрын
​@@tobitweaks I not gonna lie consoles are cool, but in reality they don't save time or sound that impressive, even high end ones. Better solution is studio desk with outboard space for racks. Besides softube control 1 mk2 is very cool. Did you try that?
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 7 күн бұрын
@ Hmm okay interesting, don‘t know what consoles you used before but I do work with consoles in my daily mixing process and while setup does take its time once it‘s setup you are soo much faster! Also you get tons of coloration and dynamic processing that you would need two or three additional plugins per track for. But that is just my workflow :) Yes I had a console 1 and sold it - too complicated and never really worked. The idea of switching between tracks on the unit was cool but never really worked, once you duplicated a track in your session for additional processing everything fell apart. Also it still used the Mackie control protocol for it - the automatic assign works only in banks of 8!! Hope that helps. All the best, Tobi
@softwarerat4659
@softwarerat4659 9 күн бұрын
Great series, regarding the "buggy Display" at minute 34, it looks like that a Analog Connector isnt connected strong enough(thats why you Screw in VGA Ports) wich results in displaying wrong things sometimes.
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 9 күн бұрын
@@softwarerat4659 Thank you so much for watching and your valuable advice! I will have a look into this very computer soon! All the best, Tobi
@qbaxcpu
@qbaxcpu 12 күн бұрын
good stuff
@qbaxcpu
@qbaxcpu 13 күн бұрын
good stuff
@arturmatchel7931
@arturmatchel7931 14 күн бұрын
Hi! How do you like the MAGNUM 3 from ADT in terms of sound and functionality compared to 5MT? Is there a difference? And compared to SSL - will the mix differ in depth or color? There were just so many discussions on the forums before. Thanks for the video!😀😉😊
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 14 күн бұрын
Hi! Thank you so much for your comment! The Magnum 3 might be the most in-depth analog system I have ever heard of! Compressor, Expander AND Gate in every channel, 5!! Band EQ with 4 fully parametric bands, full inline functionality, all the options for the center section? Super practical! I know ADT „insiede out“ pretty well now having serviced these consoles as well, but the the SSL - not so much experience from my side yet. Would love to do a summing video on one, too! But 5mt and Magnum should use the same components so just the Magnum having more tools is what can make your mix more sophisticated. The Raw signal path should be very much comparable if not identical! Hope that helps. All the best, Tobi
@arturmatchel7931
@arturmatchel7931 14 күн бұрын
Thank you very much for your answer! The clarity you provided makes it clear that the difference in the filling is not significant enough to talk about different levels and classes of ADT models. Thank you Tobias!!! Good luck to you in your difficult task!😉👌
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 14 күн бұрын
@ Hi! Yes I think with ADT you should be talking functionality, tho there are some differences in sound connected to it - having transformer options on Input and output stages for example! Hope that helps. All the best, Tobi
@AbsurdTV1
@AbsurdTV1 15 күн бұрын
too complicated bro, but you probably get a great mix when done.... I just don't have 10 years to study at university to figure this monster out.
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 14 күн бұрын
Hi! Yes there is science involved here as nobody was able to teach me this thing. Using it is actually super simple! I‘ll show you soon :) Just building it is complicated yes. All the best, Tobi
@markderv
@markderv 16 күн бұрын
Watching 3 years later as I hopefully win a "made in USA" 1642 VLZ Pro on Ebay.
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 16 күн бұрын
@@markderv In germany we say „I press both thumbs for you“ ;) All the best, Tobi
@pdmcrew80
@pdmcrew80 16 күн бұрын
I have my eye on it since it pop up., but unfortunatly i would need two more years to get it, because i don´t have where to store it. The studio its still on the project stage. Never, ever in my life i would trade this for an harrison, not even a 32C, or a new one. Clean desk, colorfull outboard gear, that´s my way.
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 14 күн бұрын
A great canvas this thing is indeed! All the best, Tobi
@HOUSEWARMING
@HOUSEWARMING 17 күн бұрын
So ein krasser Overkill für's Homestudio, i love it
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 14 күн бұрын
Haha das ding im Schlafzimmer…Beste Grüße, Tobi
@DrDennieJay
@DrDennieJay 17 күн бұрын
Gosh i miss VIVA! such a big part of my youth
@timhoffmann8262
@timhoffmann8262 17 күн бұрын
yeah nice one! ;)
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 14 күн бұрын
welcome!
@friedrichvanzandt
@friedrichvanzandt 17 күн бұрын
Is the Orban 672A in that rack also for sale?
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 14 күн бұрын
Hi! I guess no but yes it‘s a cool piece of gear! All the best, Tobi
@friedrichvanzandt
@friedrichvanzandt 14 күн бұрын
@ thanks! Yeah, I’ve been looking for one for a while…
@cckeysify
@cckeysify 17 күн бұрын
there is not much difference
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 14 күн бұрын
Yes! Now the important part: Is that a good thing or a bad thing for you? ;) All the best, Tobi
@filipeventura2729
@filipeventura2729 18 күн бұрын
Seems amazing. Its still up for sale on Reverb tho, has it been sold?
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 18 күн бұрын
Hi! Yes it is still there, the video came out today and I filmed it last week so if you are interested get it while it‘s still hot ;) All the best, Tobi
@matthiasfouquet-lapar9669
@matthiasfouquet-lapar9669 18 күн бұрын
Hallo Tobi, the power supply from the mixing desk has an output voltage of 5V and 25A., i.e. 125W. I assume other supplies would provide the typical 24V. I believe it a mixing desk it may not impossible that these power supplies are linear to avoid digital noise. The power supplies in the server are switched and as you can see one rail alone as 300W (5V 58A), so they are much more efficient (with the digital noise, but in a computer you don't care). I would not try to separate the PSU from the chassis - you will run in a lot of problems. One fix might be to use modern fans with regulated speed - or simply move the rack some place else. I really like your channel ! Viele Grüsse - Matthias
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 18 күн бұрын
@@matthiasfouquet-lapar9669 Hi! Thank you very much for your input! Yes I heard that you can get problems if you move out power supplies with extension cables…first step for me would be to add more ventilation to the server schrank, from that yeah regulated fans should do it, I don‘t think the power supplies need them on full speed…but I‘ll have to test with a thermometer. All the best, Tobi
@MySynthDungeon
@MySynthDungeon 18 күн бұрын
Super awesome !! Cheers!;-)!
@qbaxcpu
@qbaxcpu 18 күн бұрын
good stuff
@ivannio8519
@ivannio8519 20 күн бұрын
Wow! You are a talented man, Bergman! :) I wish I had such skills.
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 19 күн бұрын
Thank you so much! All the best, Tobi
@nebus5
@nebus5 22 күн бұрын
seriously can you make these cpmarisone even wuicker??
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 22 күн бұрын
Hi! No, in fact I opted for slower transitions in my future videos. But: Human hearing memory for sound balance is rather short, so A/B switching is most effective in the first 10 seconds! Hope that helps. All the best, Tobi
@martinrussell6174
@martinrussell6174 22 күн бұрын
Another amazing video, Tobi. So enjoying seeing your progress as you work your way through all the problems...next-level fault finding! Thank you for sharing.
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 21 күн бұрын
Thank you so much! Happy to have you onboard :) All the best, Tobi
@christiantorma2440
@christiantorma2440 23 күн бұрын
Ich will auch so ne Bude 😅 das muss so Spaß machen 😊
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 21 күн бұрын
Lieben Dank für dein Kommentar und ich musste daran denken als ich gestern Abend nochmal in die Werkstatt bin das hat mich sehr motiviert :) Beste Grüße, Tobi
@christiantorma2440
@christiantorma2440 21 күн бұрын
@@tobitweaks Hey Hey 👋 ja so eine Antwort zaubert mir doch direkt ein Lächeln ins Gesicht 😊😊😊freut mich sehr 😊✌️✌️✌️ kann mir vorstellen dass das Ganze auch ordentlich Arbeit ist aber ey 😄 es ist schweinecool 😎😎😎ohne Zweifel 😎😎ein echtes Privileg 😉🤘
@christiantorma2440
@christiantorma2440 23 күн бұрын
😎🤘😎🤘😎🤘
@fundi_mike
@fundi_mike 24 күн бұрын
Congrats on getting the configurations to work. Not sure why this project facinates me so much, I am not really into audio engineering at all - anyway a few thoughts came to mind from watching this: 1. You mention that some of the faders/clusters are not working, later when adjusting the sensitivity you pull them out and part of the print-boards are visible. I noticed that there are 2 chips (one labled 7.2 and one 4.2) which are both PALCE chips - these chips are "programmed" logic chips and I belive they are only guranteed to retain the configuration for 10 years, so chances are that some failing boards "simply" needs new programmed chips. Cloning these chips can be a bit tricky but I am fairly confident I can assist you with this if you need it at some point - might bring some of the units back to life. 2. Great that you get further into the configuration files (are the documentation available?), removing and modifying stuff is a good way to play around with it, but for maximum learning/understanding I personally have always found it better to start with a new blank configuration file - then build it up line by line - this way you make sure that you understand each and every line that is in there. 3. I am not sure I fully grasp the system, however the MC2 interface software seems fairly simple in first glance - as I see it it "only" a user-interface that takes your configuration as input and then sends commands to the management sofware on the server when you click interfaces/outputs... - If one could think of a way for the interface to work better, then I don't think it would be an insurmountable task to create a new interface software, which in turn could improve the usability of the system in general... something to keep in mind for down the road when you start actually using the system and think "ah it would be great if you could just click x".
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 21 күн бұрын
Hi! Thank you so much for following along closely! Actually the clusters dropping out have nothing to do with the faders but are DSP chips inside the Main Switch. Still so cool to know what these faders are made of! Also yes I‘d love to start some of these configs from scratch so this comment lives in my heart now thank you for encouraging me! Lastly well reprogramming any of this software seems like a huge task for me right now but we‘ll see what the future brings - would love to start programming arduinos to get the hang. As I really appreciate the hardware side of the MC2 82 System it could be a fantastic move to update some of the software! All the best, Tobi
@GrandCaravel
@GrandCaravel 24 күн бұрын
This is cool, but I just have one question... Why???
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 21 күн бұрын
Well I got this thing for free so…I can :) Also I think this mixing and recording system has potential to sound great! All the best, Tobi
@drachenfliger1368
@drachenfliger1368 24 күн бұрын
I would be interested in an in depth tutorial
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 21 күн бұрын
Hi! Will do once this thing is setup :) All the best, Tobi
@dragonheadthing
@dragonheadthing 24 күн бұрын
Great job working through all of those errors!
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 21 күн бұрын
Thank you! All the best, Tobi
@marcdeschryver7687
@marcdeschryver7687 24 күн бұрын
Hurray!! You did it Tobias. 😀 I’ve loved following this build so much as well as your other builds.
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 21 күн бұрын
Thank you so mich for being onboard! All the best, Tobi
@snoopy4ever
@snoopy4ever 25 күн бұрын
Just awesome!!!!! congrats Tobias!!!!!!!!
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 21 күн бұрын
Thank you! All the best, Tobi
@MartinGod3992
@MartinGod3992 25 күн бұрын
Regarding the IBM DSP/Switch you should look into making blanking plates for the front/holes this will help to cool the modules as the air will just go through the least resistance
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 25 күн бұрын
Good point! I‘ll try to close the surface then as much as possible so cool air will flow directly over the modules. Thanks and all the best, Tobi
@paullee107
@paullee107 25 күн бұрын
I don't even know what I'm looking at, but i enjoyed all the wins right alongside you!! I assume it's a big music maker. :P
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 25 күн бұрын
That is so cool! Yes this is a mixing board, it does not produce sound but it merges songs together! Thanks and all the best, Tobi
@anthonyparkinson3353
@anthonyparkinson3353 25 күн бұрын
save getting up and down while setting up, remote desktop in to the windows system , save your legs haha , still think it would work using a hypervisor :) Amazing work as always.
@rhfweb
@rhfweb 25 күн бұрын
Yes, this is a good shout! or VNC...
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 25 күн бұрын
Indeed a good shout, tho I am afraid still to put anything on this that is „new software“😅. Thanks and all the best, Tobi
@rhfweb
@rhfweb 24 күн бұрын
@@tobitweaks VNC has been about for decades, you could use the screen sharing on your Mac to control the NT4 machines if you add that to the network as well. Obviously, take a system image potentially before proceeding with installing anything so you can revert back easily.
@rhfweb
@rhfweb 25 күн бұрын
34:50 - Could be the video card is on the way out, potentially needs re-capping.
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 25 күн бұрын
Hmm I‘ll look into the computer soon…funnily enough it stopped a few weeks ago (Video is always 1-2 months behind as cutting takes time) Thanks and all the best, Tobi
@nichtimmer9134
@nichtimmer9134 28 күн бұрын
0:53 was ist den das hinten links auf dem tisch?, zwei kannalzüge stangen in holz gekleidet von welchem hersteller?, ...tfk oder eab? Mischpult ...schöne dynamikbegrenzer! Grüße
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 28 күн бұрын
@@nichtimmer9134 Moin! Das sind Kanalzüge aus einem TAB T30 Pult - mit Kompressor, EQ und Filter aber ohne Ein - und Ausgangsstufe. Glaube die nannten das „Effekt Kanal“ oder so…ziemlich selten und mein Mixbus. LG, Tobi
@lelluc
@lelluc 28 күн бұрын
amazing ❤❤❤ also the red CUT blends in better with the fader and the other knobs ;)
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks 21 күн бұрын
Hi! Not the first comment about this so maybe I will give it a chance 🤔 All the best, Tobi
@ALLY_OF_BRUH
@ALLY_OF_BRUH Ай бұрын
More plz 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯
@ALLY_OF_BRUH
@ALLY_OF_BRUH Ай бұрын
More plz 🔥🔥💯💯
@Keksstar
@Keksstar Ай бұрын
Echt super zu sehen, dass du den Dinosaurier wieder zum Leben erweckt hast! - Wo haben die Niederländer denn die Kiste her? Muss ja irgendwo aus Deutschland kommen. Ach ja, Ü-Wagen übersetzt man mit "OB-Van" (Outside Broadcast) ;-)
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks Ай бұрын
@@Keksstar Hi! Glaube die kommen vom Deutschlandfunk Kultur? In den Niederlanden haben sie damals in den Niederlanden zwei von insgesamt drei Lawo Trucks gekauft. Der eine Truck hat eine neue Lawo bekommen, diesen hält man aus den zwei Konsolen die man hat am Leben - man liebt den Sound und ist den Workflow gewohnt. Der trainierte Engineer kann das Ding im Schlaf bedienen :) Beste Grüße, Tobi
@ivannio8519
@ivannio8519 Ай бұрын
Hi Tobias. The ZED in comparison to Mackie Onyx 2480 ? Not so much about onboard fex or usb, but the sound first of all. I hope you can tell me wich one is the better. Thank you in advance :)
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks Ай бұрын
Hi! Hard to say as I did not have the onyx for critical listening in my studio yet…but my guess would be I know the A&H ZED to be very open and transparent while the Mackies are a bit more crunchy and „present“. Hope that helps! All the best, Tobi
@ivannio8519
@ivannio8519 Ай бұрын
@@tobitweaks Thanks a lot for your kind reply :) And Yes! You did help me in this. Great videos you upload. Kind regards, Ivan
@Skankphone
@Skankphone Ай бұрын
Bruh i forgot abut you
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks Ай бұрын
@@Skankphone Welcome back :) All the best, Tobi
@AbsurdTV1
@AbsurdTV1 Ай бұрын
OMG, too many buttons or what?
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks Ай бұрын
Yes should be above a thousand overall :) definitely too many haha. All the best, Tobi
@qbaxcpu
@qbaxcpu Ай бұрын
good stuff
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks Ай бұрын
Thanks! All the best, Tobi
@lethal_larry
@lethal_larry Ай бұрын
yeah i think this project is a bit over your head. good luck
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks Ай бұрын
@@lethal_larry Thank you :)
@TechOttawa
@TechOttawa Ай бұрын
Just imagine how many people know where the big "hidden" power switch is?? Boggles the mind! No one could ever find the two power buttons on the back of the Midas Verona 48 channels board! <Protip - beside goosenecks>
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks Ай бұрын
Rumors have it these boards were aost never turned off when installed in a venue 🤔 Also did not know about the midas verona :) All the best, Tobi
@frankangermann6460
@frankangermann6460 Ай бұрын
In Germany we call u „Wirtschaftsschädling“ Lawo or someone else would not sell a new console now…
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks Ай бұрын
Hi! Interesting concept, there might be a certain capitalistic ideology behind this term ;) Repairing devices is bad for the economy haha…Well all I can say is this: Lawo themselves gave me all the documents to do these repair jobs. They want to see their products in good shape. The company that owns two of these trucks already replaced the Lawo in one of them with a new one. They are keeping this truck functional as they have one senior engineer who knows this console in and out and know that it works again did I help to keep business flowing? I think I did. Did I help Lawo to sell new consoles with my work (to other people) as I showcase their quality of products? I might have even ;) Hope that helps. All the best, Tobi
@frankangermann6460
@frankangermann6460 Ай бұрын
@ alles gut…. Auch so vong Nachhaltigkeit und so….;o) Ich schmeiß ja meine 40 Jahre alten Mikros auch nich weg…
@pinmast0r
@pinmast0r Ай бұрын
Wtf was an ATM core switch needed for in that van?
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks Ай бұрын
@@pinmast0r Hi! Excellent question :) They used it to host audio processor cards (DSP). The ATM switch architecture was perfect to route a ton of audio streams simultaneously!!! and losless!! from A to B :) Hope that helps! All the best, Tobi
@pinmast0r
@pinmast0r Ай бұрын
@tobitweaks that's insane, I used to work in telecoms and have seen the wrong side of plenty of these beasts. I'd never considered it but it's no different to carrying multiplexed telephone calls or data streams. Same thing. Just really didn't expect it 😂
@TheOranges8
@TheOranges8 Ай бұрын
looks lovely
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks Ай бұрын
Thank you, I think so too :) All the best, Tobi
@joesalyers
@joesalyers Ай бұрын
If you want a console for mixing don’t if you want one for tracking then you will work faster with better results. But a console for mixing is insane. I have an ATI paragon 2 console in my studio it was API’s live version of an SLS 4000E with API mic preamps EQ and dynamics on every channel. But even though I have 56 channels I mix in the box. But everything goes through the desk for tracking.
@tobitweaks
@tobitweaks Ай бұрын
Oh yes, ATI! I totally feel where you are coming from. Recall and flexibility sometimes just isn‘t quite there on analog boards to pull off a complete and satisfying mix! Let me offer you one great use case tho: Electronic music productions!! House music for example. The track count is sufficient, the punch is there and while compressors ain‘t too common anyways (roast me in the comments but you do have much less work to do compared to let’s say an acoustic drum kit) the EQ on every channel does all the sound shaping you need and the fader automation feels great! I might present that in a future video. Hope that helps :) All the best, Tobi
@SHUTUPANDRECORD
@SHUTUPANDRECORD Ай бұрын
I say don’t listen to the people telling you analog mixing is obsolete because it’s not easy or repeatable… Those are specific reasons why you SHOULD try it. There is no comparison to the thrill of physically working a console in a performance of a mix vs. drawing automation and printing a mix off. None. Two different worlds. Neither right. Or wrong. But I just get so tired of being told mixing on a console is a compromise. No way. It’s the other way around!
@joesalyers
@joesalyers Ай бұрын
@@tobitweaks Oh yea I'm not saying don't get one but I came up in the mid 90s when all we had was analog, and I still have all of my analog gear, so I see the both analog's strengths and weaknesses. I still do some mixes in Analog but its mostly when its a small track count and the client wants it. I could see it being a benefit for dance style music to get an analog punch to very digital mixes. But I'm on the other side of that, where its mostly full bands coming in to track their album and we use the console as our inputs for the DAW, which gives me EQ & compression on the way in which does make mixing in the box easier. But I could see building a dance track in the box with soft synths and drum samples and bringing it back out to get the console flavor on it. So I do agree with that Tobi!! You have a great desk by the way!!
@joesalyers
@joesalyers Ай бұрын
@@SHUTUPANDRECORD I think the way I wrote that came off a bit different than it sounded in my head when I wrote it sorry if it came off snarky or mean. I have young engineers ask me all the time if they should get a console when they are mostly mixing and not tracking things. I normally tell them not to waste their money on a desk if you only want it for mixing. I've been doing this since the mid 90s when it was all analog.Both digital and analog have strengths and weaknesses. I've seen this happen so many times at my own studio an engineer who does really great in the box mixes tries to go and mix their song on my desk but doesn't have the hours clocked in on a console to really know how to make it sound great. Like any new piece of gear or plugin, you have to learn it. I enjoy working with a desk everyday, I have videos on my channel showing my old desk and its EQ and so on. But it take time to learn anything. I know guys who get great mixes on consoles still to this day, and I know guys who get great mixes in the box. But for me the best workflow has been using a console for tracking and then mixing in the box because time is money, so the console speeds up the tracking process but slows down the mix. So I have found a good balance for both.
@SHUTUPANDRECORD
@SHUTUPANDRECORD Ай бұрын
@ dude. awesome. I appreciate your clarification. 1000% agree. I just (obviously) strongly believe you can’t really understand what makes digital valuable and useful if you don’t understand the same about analog… and all day everyday you find people preaching that plug ins and emulation has surpassed analog. Which is true, but only in convenience! And Price per channel! Thanks again for clarifying, and apologies if I made you feel personally attacked! -Marty