041 - Dassault Rafale

[@saadilyas86]

Don’t worry about the corrections guys. You go above and beyond to get quality content to us and I for one am very grateful. Keep up the great work.

[@waitbalthy6342]

Oui, Vive la France ! Great show guys, cheers from Paris!

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

Merci beaucoup!

[@MattWagner]

Greaet stuff Jell-o and Sunshine!

[@vincenzo3908]

Matt Wagner I don’t know how many years it will take to code, but I can’t wait to fly it on DCS! 🙂

[@spartan-ml7nk]

well... maybe one day we ll see him in DCS will we? I m afraid I will pilot it before it come in DCS but I ll help you developping this module hehe!

[@vincenzo3908]

spartan117 Ah ça je te le souhaite vraiment, et avec de la chance la version F4 vers 2025 :) Tu pilotes un Mirage2000 actuellement j’imagine?

[@spartan-ml7nk]

@@vincenzo3908 non j en suis au EOPN mais ca arrive

[@TheSkyline35]

Maybe if in 30 years you can make a Rafale, do so please 😊

[@gregoryandyuliakaplan7505]

The Fighter Pilot Podcast is the best podcast! Thank you!

[@PrimarchX]

This is awesome! I'd like to mention that the French Navy deployed Rafales to the CVN-77 George H.W. Bush for flight operations off the East Coast last year to ready for returning to their carrier, Charles de Gaul.

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

True! We had a bonus segment about aircraft carrier interoperability on our Patreon page (www.patreon.com/ftrpltpdcst).

[@AvengerII]

At least they didn't buckle the deck plates on the Bush! Nice to know the French Navy and US Navy talked with each other before the Rafale qualifications about the US carrier. There was damage done to a US carrier by RN F-4 operations in the early 1970s during a visit. That happened in the early 1970s when they had a Royal Navy Phantom group send UK F-4's to operate off the USS Saratoga. RN Phantoms had various modifications to to enable operations off the much smaller Royal Navy carrier, HMS Ark Royal. (They did experiments on the other RN carrier slated to use the F-4 but that carrier, the Eagle, never underwent full modernization for the F-4 and was retired early). The nose gear landing strut on the RN F-4's extended higher and oriented the wing such that the plane was flying at a higher angle of attack (enhancing lift) when catapulted and could fly slower. The other important modification were the 20,500lb thrust turbofans installed in the F-4K (RN designation FG.1; F-4K is the US export designation; the RAF Phantoms were designated F-4N for export, the RAF called them FGR.2). There are photos on the Wiki article about the F-4 Phantom in UK service that show the F-4N afterburner blast hitting the deck of the Ark Royal. They had to use a water cooling system to keep the deck plating from buckling due to the heat! Now, the problem with the modification to the FG.1 was the fact that was it no longer strictly hitting just the jet blast deflector on the US carrier deck. It was hitting deck plating and heating and warping it when they used the afterburner. They stopped afterburner operations of the British Phantoms aboard the Saratoga. At low weights, they still had enough thrust to get off without using afterburner. I don't know that the nose gear strut was variable on the British naval Phantom. Probably not. It was a such a specific modification for that model.

[@jaredcrub9567]

In war their is no winner, there is only someone who looses the least. Great quote Sunshine

[@travistolbert2647]

Another fantastic interview guys! Hope to hear Sunshine and Jello's voices in a DCS campaign real soon! Thank you Lieutenant Chuet for giving us an insight to the Rafale and French Naval Aviation.

[@LRRPFco52]

After looking over the Eurocanards, the Rafale is clearly the superior offering of them all. The design, build quality, performance, and systems integration is world-class really. They're costly, but an extremely capable platform that really takes the 4th Gen ++ into new territory. The French pulling out of the European Combat Aircraft program of the early 1980s was really the best course of action for France, and the Rafale confirms they made the right decision when you compare it with the Typhoon, which is still suffering from multinational bureaucratic delays in getting it to be able to be multirole, let alone what the Rafale is. They're still dragging their feet on getting an AESA into the Typhoon and it's 2019. My dad did post-stall maneuvering algorithms and parameters for the ECA program down in München area of West Germany in the early 1980s, and that program later became the Typhoon. I still think the Typhoon is a great aircraft with a lot of potential, but it suffers from being managed by Brits, Germans, and Italians looking at its continued development. The cultural differences are enough to really hamper timely progress.

[@murdzstang2777]

LRRPFco52 those ‘cultural differences’ didn’t hurt Concorde, Tornado or Airbus..

[@TheRadiag]

@@murdzstang2777 Tornado had lots of teething issues as well, particularly the radar. The typhoon will keep getting better. Its marriage of captor-e and meteor will be quite the opponent, and it'll be able to give the meteor more kinetic energy with its engines. Rafale is still a fantastic plane though but its more multirole focused, while the typhoon has always been mainly an air superiority fighter.

[@asganaway]

Guys there were political reason as well as industrial reason also a different view on the role, that's why France pulled off (and also they are French :D ), but what makes the difference is that France as a single cohesive nation pushed the development without having to agree with each other, look at the rest of the Eurofighter consortium, Italy decided for F35 (after been burned staying out of the F16 train when it passed by) Germany doesn't know what to do.. G.B. was the only one wanted to invest on the Typhoon been a multirole/swingrole but it was also the one pushing more for a pure fighter (the Typhoon have a very low wing, ideal for a fighter not for a bomber ), as per upgrade is the same, the Captor E could have been ready 10 years ago (the company that produce the radar of the Grippen is the same that worked on the Captor), the Spanish Ipt presented the vectoring system 15 years ago.. never implemented, the EJ200 was suppose to be updated in the latest batches .. never done..

[@LRRPFco52]

@@asganaway There is a budgetary reality that constrains Typhoon development among Euro partners, while the oil rich Middle Eastern customers get the AESA and all the bells and whistles they ask for. What's another $50-$80 million per plane? They don't care. Another factor with France leaving ECA/EFA was the French Navy requirements for a carrier-borne variant with anti-ship capabilities. France has their AESA in Rafale and all the advanced SPJ suite they can get, with true swing-role capabilities, excellent penetration/strike, self-escort, air superiority, and maritime roles. They are caught in a place where they haven't done much to prepare for 5th Gen, but the barrier to entry for 5th gen is larger than France's defense budget of $52.3 billion.

[@asganaway]

@@LRRPFco52 yes the carrier requirement was very strong for the French, in fact the first delivered Rafale were the M1, another factor is, France is pressed to integrate new system because is very aggressive on the market and his industrial plan is more or less integrated, sell Rafale you sell mica and exocet etc the Eurofigher group basically gave up.. their business model was a mess for many reasons so in the end they almost gave up, they have the capability to do everything but they didn't so Rafale and France is always more prepared. For the 5th Gen.. let's see is a paper plane right now.. Italy just put his money in let's see.. a project this big may involve also some changes of the companies involved like merging and acquisitions, if ever happen.

[@Vardeth805]

They have IRST pods on the nose which is what they use to cue those IR Micas with. The Typhoons have the same thing. I read an article talking about they’re abilities in WVR combat for a red flag Alaska , which they say they can target something

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

That's what I was getting at but either he didn't understand what I was asking or wanted to avoid discussing it.

[@JoJo-vm8vk]

Rafale doesn't care what sensor is used for Mica targeting. On the Mica you can swap IR or radar seeker, both have fighter to missile data link. Both French Air Force and French Navy demonstrated with live Mica firing that they can target an hostile in their 6 o'clock based on link 16 target (destroying target drone). The missile performs 180 degrees turn (thrust vectoring). So to sum up, Rafale can launch Mica IR in lock on after launch mode on Link 16 target which won't receive any warning on RWR.

[@brunol-p_g8800]

It is being retrofitted on some Typhoons, while the Rafale was developed and produced from the start with it.

[@TheSkyline35]

Very interesting stuff ! Very good podcast

[@H3x4r35]

Tu es décidément partout Sky!

[@dohj4959]

Being an asian civilian. Listening to this podcast, I appreciated very much how the french canadian pilot described his rafale. I also appreciated how he and his force structure was felxible enough to mix with his allies. A very well done podcast, the hosts did their roles very well.

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

Thank you. 🙏

[@yxeaviationphotog]

Great podcast, guys! I hope that sometime, down the road, we can get some insight into the inter-operability between the French and US Navy. In particular, the Chesapeake deployment on GHWB. I think it would be a great extension or follow-on, to this episode.

[@chrisisbert5630]

Hi guys, as a French citizen, patriot and Rafale lover, I was about to ask you guys to make a podcast about this btfl lady. Thank you very much, what a nice treat!

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

You're welcome, Chris!

[@mimimimeow]

I chuckled when Ate said "video games" at the end; he was the ambassador and consultant for the Japanese sci-fi flight game Ace Combat 7. I play it quite often, pretty good fun. Even USAF tried to make it as an "eSports" few months ago.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

The French have their "Top Gun" movie, it's called "Les Chevaliers du Ciel" but it's about the French air force and features Mirage 2000s.

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

Good to know!

[@SuperiorAutocraft]

Hands down some of the best aerial film ever shot. Absolutely gorgeous.

[@lordtemplar9274]

Yes it has great aerial footage but otherwise that movie is terrible, just make sure you have the remote in your hand so you can FFW to the flight sequences 😈

[@retropaganda8442]

The youtube channel "Chasse embarquée" is worth mentioning for its awesome beautiful videos.

[@MirkoErtmer]

Wow pretty good stuff! Really enjoyed your podcasts and your awesome work. I just wanna add that also the Falcon BMS community is here and follow you guys. Cheers

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

Yes, we have an invite to meet with one of your players--just haven't found a time to work it out yet.

[@MirkoErtmer]

@@FighterPilotPodcast Awesome sounds great! I'm part of the 440th VFW so maybe you have time to check us out: www.440thvfw.com

[@therealtjpek]

If anyone gets across this vid this late or later, Até now has his own youtube channel where he does vids in french and english, he talks about DCS, he experience in the army, his reconversion after retirement, and so much more

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

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[@dankuettel5063]

FINALLY! This jet is amazing

[@rodneypearce6113]

Very interesting aircraft, that was a great interview guys :)

[@ryu1940]

Very cool to hear from a Naval Aviator from a different country! Great episode!

[@donno1970]

Another great episode guys, keep'em coming.

[@JASHVEER22]

IAF continuing its tradition with Dassault acquiring 36 rafales after Mirage 2000.

[@goodputin4324]

Should have bought 126 lol

[@tadficuscactus]

I agree, the Rafale Is a great looking plane. Better than the Eurofighter and probably Gripen.

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, they say.

[@Sub___Zero]

Actually : Rafale > EF > ..... Gripen (E-NG)

[@dereklchung]

Fantastic show. Thank you!!

[@cloverhal2284]

Ah merci ! Un bel oiseau en effet

[@jean-pierredesmoulins7427]

Very interesting. I wish I could speak english as well as this french compatriote. Great show, continue the good job guys.

[@GonzoTehGreat]

Rafale interview starts at 17:17

[@finixhawkeye3213]

Sir. You great people endorsing DCS is saying big buckets what great the guys at DCS did for the platform.❤️❤️❤️

[@SpypilotSR-71]

Yes! DCS and Raven 1 coming together is like ice cream and cone.

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

...or peas and carrots?

[@moitoi4064]

Best fighter plane in the world.

[@valko022]

Probably!?

[@MrYoann029]

For sur

[@derekcraig3617]

Better than the f22? The f35? idk about that as I've heard rafale pilots say they would rather fly those two planes

[@fredmdbud]

Re: corrections - trustworthy people own up to their honest mistakes!

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

That's our sentiment.

[@LRRPFco52]

The Rafale is the only 4.5 Gen fighter I'm aware of that has considerable IR LO characteristics. Look at the airflow gaps over the engine nozzles as one indicator.

[@gringologie9302]

5gen doesn't exist as passiv stealth doesn't exist.

[@TOMCATnbr]

Hey very nice to have a podcast about our jet. Thanks for your show. Hope you will do other french jet in the future.

[@sailordoc2007]

Nice ! Looks like we picked a winner for the IAF

[@riderofthemark6661]

Great Episode thanks!

[@jakeyb.o.h4651]

Have "Ate" on again! Good podcast! Good guest!

[@ccooxxyy]

Fantastic podcasts chaps!! Keep up the great work!! :-) Any chance of doing one on the A6 Intruder? My dad was an exchange pilot in the 70’s from the Royal Navy and instructed manual bombing on them. He said they were a solid bit of kit! Take care

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

As a matter of fact, yes. I plan to meet with someone in late March who not only flew them but wrote a pretty famous fictional account on the "flight of" one...

[@ccooxxyy]

The Fighter Pilot Podcast Fantastic! Looking forward to it :-)

[@slmyatt]

A family friend was a fighter pilot in 3 wars. Only once, dropping napalm in support of ambushed marines in Vietnam, did he clearly see the people he was killing. He said he was having trouble dealing with it until later, when a group of those same marines found and thanked him for saving their lives.

[@sarabjitprakash4214]

Awesome guys

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

Thanks. 🤩

[@md8590]

One of the best looking jets ever. Its like they got a Eurofighter then sent it to Porsche to work on the looks 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

If there was a way to type a catcall whistle sound in response to your comment I would!

[@ankkaul7]

Kindly do a episode on mirage series fighter as it is one of the legendary and battle proved fighters out there and many airforces out there use them

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

The Mirage 2000 is coming up. 👍

[@mariusfrost640]

I'd like to add my two cents about the left handed question. People are not completely handed, it varies by task. I'm left handed, but I shoot and play guitar right handed. I would imagine it's the same as learning to drive a car, especially with a manual transmission: if it's all you've ever done, it feels natural. I only drive stick, and I would have a terrible time trying to drive one in England. When I fly in flight simulators, it feels natural as well. I suspect it could be a problem for people who are strongly left handed, but for most, it wouldn't be an issue. Humans are, above all, adaptable.

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

Valid points, Marius. 👍

[@charlesmagrin6260]

what a surprise to hear you guys speaking my language!! I disagree with Pierre when he says the Rafale is the best looking European aircraft, to me the Mirage 2000 is way more beautiful :) but still the Rafale is a very good looking fighter, as many other Dassault aircrafts. As Marcel Dassault was saying: "A beautiful aircraft is a good aircraft" :) Regarding Sunshine's question he's actually right: France does not care about selling its best weapons systems to anyone with enough money to buy it: We sold Mirages and Roland SAMS to Sadam to name only one example. Anyway there is a big difference between France selling Rafale to other countries and the US not willing to sell its Raptors or earlier Nighthawks: because your technologies are way way way more advanced than any other country in the world.

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

Thanks, Charles, good points all around. And as any parent knows: beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

[@sailordoc2007]

Agree about the unmatched aesthetics of Mirage 2000

[@bret9741]

It seems as we ask more and more from our fighter pilots, the need for a 2 man crew is becoming more apparent. I like that the F model can operate with or without the RIO(?).

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

The F/A-18F can be flown without a WSO, yes.

[@billyandhouse]

Really nice podcast , i'm french and it's very interresting to learn about this aircraft !

[@spins321]

YES!!! A Mr. Mom reference in the beginning!!

[@dankuettel5063]

BTW, 124 and 225

[@ishangore1]

awesome!!!

[@martialg9425]

on youtube "chasse embarquée" if you want to see rafale in action

[@ronlal652]

merci mon pote

[@likelike344]

Are you using the Eagle Dynamics F/A-18C APU for the intro sound? :)

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

No, that is some other jet (not sure which). We purchased the rights online way back before episode 0.

[@df98156]

Oh cool, you're here on youtube, too! Question: Does KZbin still provide better audio quality bitrate to 720p than 1080p? Something to think about, since you're doing just audio with the visualizer. Maybe rendering at 1080p isn't worth it.

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

Thanks for the tip, I'll have to look into it (not totally sure).

[@ouchouch7887]

What is the name of the song you play at the beginning of the podcast

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

That is our "fighter" song made by Jaime Lopez of Spain specially for us.

[@ouchouch7887]

@@FighterPilotPodcast bummer I really like it. Be a good song to workout to

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

@@ouchouch7887 Email the show and I’ll send it to you.

[@vhira]

Interview starts at 18:14

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

And all the other good stuff starts at 0:01!

[@reaality3860]

Viva la France!

[@dankuettel5063]

The C-17 has a center stick

[@toubib8443]

Nice one ! You can check out some rafale videos and french navy stuff on their official youtube channel ("chasse embarquée")

[@toubib8443]

46:30 you can find out the related picture on the twitter account "@ChasseEmbarquee Feb 18"

[@harshalnasery]

Do one on the Jaguar

[@NeoclassicYT]

You guys are very 😎

[@paulbarrett9951]

Fantastic Jell-O and sunshine, love this aircraft series . Been a Brit and had the pleasure of seeing the Rafael working alongside the typhoons there doesn't seem to be much between the 2 platforms. And he did forget that the royal navy has 2 brand new next- gen aircraft carries , well that's if we are still classed as European 😁

[@pancholom]

The Queen Elizabeths are both brand new and big enough, but they're just STOVL capable. They can handle only STOVL aircraft and chopper, a huge self imposed. limitation CdG on the other hand is a nuclear powered CATOBAR carrier, capable of handling ANY aircraft type fit tho operate on-board carriers. That's a HUGE difference.

[@figmo4227]

Would it be possible for us to hear about Typhoon or Tornado? Cheers guys keep up the great work

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

Yes, we're trying to work through all the fighters, and other military aircraft. Could be a long series!

[@figmo4227]

@@FighterPilotPodcast would be excellent company in my attempts to join an airforce myself

[@AvengerII]

Right now, France is the only other nation that even operates aircraft carriers anything like the US fleet! The US supercarriers and French Charles De Gaulle are CATOBAR ships = catapult-assisted take-off and barrier assisted landing (arresting cables). Other countries like Australia and the UK had CATOBAR aircraft carriers but they retired them decades ago because they're expensive to operate. Most CATOBAR carriers (outside of the American and French carriers) that had been operating had been based on World War II British designs (or WERE World War II carriers!). The Soviets never had CATOBAR carriers. Their carriers were more like the helicarriers/amphibious assault ships with straight decks that the US Navy uses. Those amphibious ships the US Navy uses actually resemble the American carriers of World War II. Most countries that have carriers operate ships more like the ones the US and the British navies had in World War II -- straight deck, generally under 40,000 tons gross, with the exception that these carriers don't have catapults installed. They're STOVL (short take-off, vertical landing) ships for simplicity and lower-cost operations. A lot of these STOVL ships have a permanent "ski jump" installed on deck for short take-off of Harrier-type aircraft or the F-35B (in the near future). They're much smaller ships than the US supercarriers although the latest British carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth, is about the size of a Midway-class carrier which isn't far off from a supercarrier in bulk. Both Russia and China have STOVL carriers, too, even though they operate more conventional aircraft based on the MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters. They also use ski jumps for take-off because neither Russia or China has the engineering experience to make reliable steam catapults. Only the French, the US, and UK have built carriers with reliable steam catapults. The disadvantage of not using a steam catapult is your plane is more limited in payload. You can either carry more fuel for better range with a reduced weapons, OR carry the weapons and refuel right away! The difference between the Russian and Chinese carriers from other STOVL carriers is that these 2 countries DO have arresting cables installed on their carriers. The Russian and Chinese carriers are actually sister ships. The Chinese bought a mostly finished aircraft the Russians had virtually abandoned after the collapse of the USSR in 1991.

[@lordtemplar9274]

FYI the steam catapults on the French carrier are from the US, since it was cheaper to buy off the shelf than to develop for 1 carrier (smae logic for the E2C/D Hawkeyes. The next French carrier will likely also use the US EMALS system. China is also working on steam catapults for their next carriers (third carrier and onwards) and S. Korea is also looking into building CATOBAR carriers, i imagine with US technical help.

[@LRRPFco52]

Maybe talk to recruiting and float the idea of Patreon lotteries with backseat rides or helo rides for the winners? PR simulator time?

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

LRRPFco52 would be virtually impossible

[@LRRPFco52]

Maybe coordinate with one of the private organizations that flies aggressors? Could be a serious source of monetizing the channel. Could also make a great backdrop for material for episodes.

[@digitalavatar5699]

The main difference on export variant is Indian Rafale can carry Nuclear Bomb

[@FighterPilotPodcast]

Yowzers! Let's hope they never have to...

[@lordtemplar9274]

??? I am not so sure. The French Rafale can carry the ASMP which is a French nuclear cruise missile, but those missiles are not for sale on the export market. India now has land and sea based nuclear missiles, but i am not aware of air to ground nuclear missiles. They have "old school gravity" nuclear bombs but those are carried by Jaguar and Mirage 2000 and not Rafale AFAIK.

[@pancholom]

The French Rafales carry a nuclear cruise missile, mind you...

[@KRGruner]

Probably the best 4th Gen fighter out there (and maybe the best looking), but, well, it's still 4th Gen. No wonder the French are scrambling now to prevent Germany buying F-35s by developing a 5th Gen fighter in cooperation with that country. But good luck with that (probably will never happen, as all they would get is an F-35 look-alike 20 years after the fact).

[@leovk5779]

Well, if it is a success (not a given since cooperation between very different countries is NOT easy), the "SCAF" would probably be more advanced than the F35, like a "gen 5.5" or "gen 6" (given that it has 20 years more to mature, with technologies having evolved) so not really a F35 look alike. Though it would be approximately 20 years later, obviously. The US are or will soon be working on "gen 5.5" or "gen 6" planes as well, the F35 is not the end of history for fighters (though maybe next fighters after that might be unmanned? So maybe more drones than fighters).

[@Tetemovies4]

Gen doesn’t mean anything, it’s actual sensors that matter, if you compare an F/A-18A vs a F/A-18E one is going to crush the other and is a good match for the F35A the other, not so much yet they’re both technically 4th gen.

[@abhaykshirsagar1166]

India is buying 100 rafale

[@boc234]

i think dassault rafales shud be baned.

[@deckdeckard5297]

Or at least X-rated.

[@zcomme]

???

[@Desi365]

Frustrating such a qualified discussion with a bad connection.

[@moitoi4064]

You have to work your french prononciation a little bit, it’s Rafale not Rofole. Lol.

[@valko022]

Isn't said 'Ra'faal' and not Rafale (it is written Rafale, yes!, but not said in French 'Rafale' ) !!??

[@DreamList]

No I think they actually did a good job pronouncing it. Especially given the fact that most people pronounce it Rafael...

[@fredmdbud]

They (the Americans) are pronouncing it like "Ra-fa-yell", when it is more like "Ra-fal" (with a hard L), which rhymes with the French "postale"

[@zcomme]

make it easier..." Copy Kill"

[@wabbelboss9638]

First!

[@sfertonoc]

Typhoon mod > Rafale. 20% additional power and 20% additional maneuvaribility. Typhoon only minus is the front canards preventing carrier landing visibility. Rafale has pathetic engines. Come on, change that M88

[@kranzer2370]

Typhoon is just a meeting plane, Rafale is combat prooven so it's fine i'm really happy to know that Typhoon will continu to show them nice demonstrations with its powerfull engines ;)

[@jojojojo-qo6kp]

The Typhoon engines is basically the first reason why Rafal was made. But not the only !

[@deckdeckard5297]

@ Sfer Tonoc Please explain us how the Snecma M88 is "pathetic". I know it's less powerful than the Eurojet EJ200 (with afterburner, 75 kN (17,000 lbf) vs. 90 kN (20,200 lbf), but it's also smaller and lighter (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snecma_M88 and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurojet_EJ200). And when you see the Rafale flying, and you consider the heavy load it is able to carry, this plane is VERY FAR from one anybody could describe as underpowered, to say the least!! Moreover, the M88 is maintenance-friendly and has a relatively low cost of ownership ("M88 Pack CGP" or "M88-4E"). So the term "pathetic" you used calls for an explanation. Also there is NO WAY that "Typhoon mod > Rafale", and you know it (unless you are clueless on the subject). The Rafale also has been and is still undergoing improvement programs, and, despite the Typhoon having a higher top speed and a higher ceiling, it is now a widely recognized fact that the Rafale is a better overall achievement. Only ignorant or dishonest/biased people still say otherwise.

[@zcomme]

Typhoons get killed by Rafale on training multiple time :))

[@RichardMuchaile-rc5bc]

Best jet in the world