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[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

The Dassault Rafale Fighter Jet is probably the only fighter that is selling like the F-35. In this video, I examine why it is so and what is in store for the Rafale future. Enjoy! The previous complete coverage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6awmYukg86kedk #Rafale #Dassault #dassaultrafale Join this channel to support it: kzbin.info/door/VDkfkGRzo0qcZ8AkB4TMuwjoin Support me on Patreon www.patreon.com/Millennium7 One off donation with PayPal www.paypal.com/paypalme/Millennium7star Join the Discord server discord.gg/6CuWEWuhsk Buy an Aircraft Model at Air Models! airmodels.net/?aff=173 ---------------------------- Ask me anything! Take part to the community Q&A clicking the link below! forms.office.com/r/LNPQtf3Tc0 -------------------- Visit the subreddit! www.reddit.com/r/Millennium7Lounge/ ---------------------

[@joyalsajan1168]

Great video...

[@chitaegandalalake263]

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[@zvonkoprosen4096]

Americans have grounded all of the f35 yestrday,danger to pilots,any news on that?

[@angeloicaro661]

Question: if Boeing redesign the f/a-18 super hornet and make it angular just like the kf-21 when you look at it in front. Will this make the f/a-18 reduce the RCS, more maneuverable, long range and better dog fighter?

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

@@angeloicaro661 That would be radical. I don't think it is feasible.

[@pst9737]

As an italian aeronautical engineer, I have always loved (but also envied) the aerospace industry of our cosuins beyond the Alps. Great studies in aerodynamics and propulsion, good electronic capabilities, sufficient funds for research = great planes and top researchers. Everything made and thought inside the Country. Well done, mes amis!

[@giuseppeguerrieri4946]

If only we wanted in Italy, we would be at the same level, we have companies, there is not enough political will, the chase of the future will only be with European collaborations

[@arthurbousquet6838]

It's a shame Italy doesn't have a big aerial industry, you were the leaders before WW2. Greetings from accross the Alps ;)

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

I second that. UE and NATO are much more fragile than it seems, and there are deep rifts among the members. In this environment, it is almost imperative to have at least some autonomy regarding defence. Italy's historic vocation is to be friends with everyone, trade with everyone, but be able to deter any military threat, Like Sweden used to be.

[@pst9737]

I myself work for an italian aersopace Company, and I agree, we have the manpower to build a strong aerospace industrial complex. We lack of two main aspects: political will and money to invest in research and the build up of structures. The wrong political approach to aerospace sector we have in Italy is clear for example for what happened with F35 and the Piaggio drone. Luckily, we have been able to at least implement the Cameri site for F35, which is a spring of know-how and it gives a relevant return to our aerospace industry.

[@pst9737]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech I agree. P.s. I'm looking for a good book regarding the aerodynamics of fighters. I remeber that you show something similar in an old video, but I cannot find it anymore. Have you got some books to suggest? I have focused a lot on fluid dybamics and aerodynamics, but I've never found a complete guide to Military fighters applications.

[@demarchithierry2691]

Marcel Dassault said : "A plane only flies well if it is beautiful." Mirage, then Rafale, just confirm that.

[@NostraDahut]

He said that statement, because as a jew he was bullied by a lot of concurrences before ww2, and the concurrences were producing a LOT of ugly french planes. By selling this statement he was showing that his factory was capable of more than the concurrences, producing efficiently AND producing gorgeously

[@SupGaillac]

@@NostraDahut Well, I've always heard is other circumstances (and many times) that a good design is a beautiful design. Reason being that a good design usually also "feels" right. But, mind that the contraposition is wrong in general. A beautiful design doesn't mean it's good.

[@gabrielcalda7033]

What about about russian planes? They are the most beautiful fighters, but they aren't as good against western jets. Dont get me wrong, a fighter is a fighter, it is still built to kill and it can, but Im just saying they are pretty subpar

[@tucoramirez988]

Absolutely not what he said. Dassault said: "A beautiful plane is a plane who fly well". Not the same sense.

[@GholaTleilaxu]

That is how you loose the wars with the Russians.

[@singular9]

Notice how the french like to stay in the middle ground at all times no mater what is going on in the world. The way they told germany to F Off with their "green energy" and built dozens of nuclear reactors instead seemed expensive at the time, but is now considered a genius long term move to have a fully self sustainable energy grid. Then the french arms industry consistently tries to build excellent products that avoid taking any sides or cross any legal boundaries so that they can guarantee exports and funding to maintain a self sustaining military industry, which in turn maintains the engineer's competencies for generations. When the syrian refugee crisis began france opposed softening the rules on gaining a refugee status and were actively pursuing their own goals in the middle east (and Libya when all that went down). France is the low key european super power. They have the expertise to develop and deploy modern high tech weapons systems as well as defend its own interests without taking any harm in doing so.

[@Tetemovies4]

Unfortunatly we are slowly loosing that strenght to give room to a German-French couple that only exists in french heads.

[@thepny_chasseur_de_tricera5361]

@@Tetemovies4 french know that a bad thing 🤨 since the german are rhe only one pushing the idea there is huge Chance that dassault will work alone

[@dan7564]

I mean, Nuclear is green energy but I get what you mean.

[@Girder3]

Correction, the French built an extensive nuclear energy infrastructure decades before the Germans even talked about Green Energy. It was done of necessity due to their lack of usable domestic energy resources (coal, oil, natural gas) at the time. They overbuilt capacity, but that allowed them to sell excess power to their neighbors. The french building more nuclear reactors has more to do with future proofing their existing power base and replacing aging power plants.

[@flo__60]

@@Girder3 and no our nuclear power plant need extensive maintenance reducing the disponibility this fall we had a risk of blackout in cases of cold lack of wind and solar energy, macaron made a "i get this" move saying we would go back to "nuclear supremacy" but that's forgetting all the qualified builders are now retired or dead.... we lack even maintenance crew because after Fukushima everyone wanted out of nuclear.... tl dr: let the emotion-driven environmentalist lead the country and watch the mayhem...

[@grock7971]

I am happy when my country (Indonesia) chose Rafale. Hope in the future Indomesia will add more Rafale or more France product.

[@nihilusedit1447]

As a French, I'm happy that my country makes buisness with Indonesia, great people !

[@HaterDeFrance]

From France, Thank you !

[@Dangermonkey1000]

Muslim radical indonesia

[@TheCryptoOptimist]

Hope Indonesia don't sell it to China.

[@Question-please]

@@Dangermonkey1000المسيحيين الفاشيين في فرنسا

[@clives344]

Being A Brit now living in France it Galls me watching this video about the Rafale, especially as an Aerospace Engineer who has worked on EFA in the past. But your analysis is brilliant. Well done to the French for removing themselves from ITAR. The French have played their hand well in the export market.

[@frankmiller95]

Are you sure on the spelling on that? lsn't it Gaul?

[@antoinebaldur2941]

ITAR is a U.S. weapon in the economic war. In 2013, European companies Airbus and Thales were competing with Lockeed Martin to deliver spy satellites to the United Arab Emirates. The European companies won the contract in 2014, but the United States then used ITAR to terminate the contract. The French government must negotiate with the U.S. government to unblock the situation. There are many similar situations, but this is not the only weapon used by the U.S. The US Department of Justice is used to force other countries to do what they want. The Alstom case in France is a very good example. The Justice Department accused this company of using bribery to win a contract (in international business, this is a normal thing). As a result, Alstom's CEO was put under pressure and one of the company's top executives, Frédéric Pierucci, was imprisoned during the affair (which lasted just over a year). The French government was forced to sell its strategic company (turbines for nuclear reactors and for the French aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle) to General Electric. They also use their influence to discredit each other, as in Australia when the French won the submarine contract, the Australian press criticized the French submarines very harshly, public opinion became very unfavourable to the french submarines contract as well as the Australian politicians. There had been also a leak in the Australian press about the secret documentation of the French submarines (22,500 pages), which was of course a terrible thing for all users of the Scorpen submarine. Of course, we have no evidence of who did this, but it’s a terrible mistake to be naive. The European countries are under the influence of the USA which is normal, it is a consequence of the Second World War and the Cold War. So it’s impossible to win a contract if the United States wants it. The US uses other weapons, since Snowden we have evidence that the US spies on everyone, even its "allies". You now know why the French are trying to get their strategic materials out of the United States. They learned after very difficult lessons. But it is very complicated because as I said before the USA has a strong influence on the countries around the France.

[@lamsior]

Unfortunately Brits went for the F35 :(

[@LeonAust]

7 to 1 in recent war games with the F-35 being the victor, Buy Rafael and you buy 2nd grade.@@lamsior

[@barracuda7018]

​@@lamsiornonsense Brits needed Vertical take off fighter. Rafael can’t do it.

[@lamsior]

Fun fact, Rafale have replaced 7 different aircrafts in the French army, that's what we call being OMNIROLE.

[@GholaTleilaxu]

While the French Army changes from being OMNIvore to being HERBIvore.

[@doogleticker5183]

« It’s a jack of all trades and master of none. » Variety has always been a better strategy.

[@DC2022]

@@doogleticker5183 in fact considering on how it does the job, it's a Jack of all trade, master of all.

[@doogleticker5183]

@@DC2022 - Still waiting for the evidence, dude.

[@alainfilho1467]

​@@GholaTleilaxuil est temps de retourner à tes soldats de plomb...et de cesser de parler de choses que tu ne connais PAS...gamin 😂😂😂😂

[@MD-wn4ui]

Let us have a moment of silence to the Gripen.

[@DefaultProphet]

Sorry gripenboos

[@Frencho9]

F-16 Block 72 killed it. Sad would rather have poorer countries like Slovakia, Romania and Bulgaria buy European than Gringo Vipers.

[@the80386]

it's largely Sweden's own doing. they have subordinated themselves to USA to such an extent that they have to follow orders against their own interests. it's a shame because they have aero (and submarine) industries with excellent history and potential. if they focused on independence from USA components and policy like France, then Gripen (and A-series AIP subs) would've become widely used equipment around the world. they could've been the 21st century equivalent of Mirage III (or the U209 for subs)

[@rosomak8244]

@@the80386 If they did that the Gippen would plain and simply never have been. Sweden has not the industrial capability to cover all the necessary technologies.

[@zvonkoprosen4096]

this is killing me....haha

[@sajoymenon]

Good tempered Indian here...good to learn that Rafale is highly rated . Though quite expensive, (don't know how much Rafale versions to other countries cost) India has had a good run with its Mirage 2000s and the French are reliable suppliers; these factors definitely worked in it's favor. Thanks Millennium for an as usual detailed report.

[@jeanvaljean9293]

the rafale is not so expensive but you guys always take the contract/nb of planes and .... no that's not the price of the plane. Weapons are not the plane, bases are not the plane...

[@sajoymenon]

@@jeanvaljean9293 You are right. The aircraft standalone cost is much less. But I have come to understand that in India's case, the 36 Rafales ordered had many India Specific Enhancements (ISEs) apart from cost of source code for sensor fusion, due to which the cost of the deal was almost double the cost of the 30 Rafales ordered by Egypt. Plus SU 30 MKIs (apparently the best SU 30 versions) manufactured in India costs one-third the above price of Rafale, so here we got the impression that Rafale is expensive. The IAF always has insisted on the best in a particular version of aircraft so naturally it has to pay more.

[@majalca03]

Nobody really gives a shit.

[@KapilKumar-kg2un]

I'm happy India made the right decision.Thanks for information

[@msulemanf]

The French have to be given credit for what they achieved in an aircraft a tonne lighter than eurofighter with much less powerful engines - ie. strong air to ground, carrier compatibility, AESA radar & lower price. Looks more elegant/innovative, too - those cheek intakes and area ruling/blending are sweet.

[@pew3561]

To eurofighter credit, it's an interceptor, not a multirole fighter. Lack of vision i guess ?

[@-_El_Pollo_Loco_-]

@@pew3561 no i believe it's a difference of war doctrines that are indicative of the differences and it's just that the french were proven right to go that route

[@pew3561]

@@-_El_Pollo_Loco_- i guess they saw the signs of the price increase between generations.

[@-_El_Pollo_Loco_-]

@@pew3561 probably also the fact that while having a multirole fighter is more expansive per unit it's a lot less expansive than having multiple aircraft types

[@LZE.]

Area rule became redundant a long time ago with modern aerodynamics and engines. Those intakes/forward fuselage cheeks do little to reduce its RCS, hence Dassaults' continuel patching of defensive aids onto Rafale.

[@H3x4r35]

A few errors and additions: - Egypt will have 54, not 66 Rafale. First contract 2015: 24 Rafale. Second one 2021: 30 more. Technically it's even 55, as they allegedly lost one aircraft in dire circumstances I won't discuss here, an aircraft that has been sneakily added to the next production lot, explaining why the total amount of exported (or almost in the case of Indonesia) Rafale is 285 and not 284. - The 36 Qatari Rafale have been fully delivered already, the latest of the 36 was transferred in april 2022. - Discussions about the Rafale in Serbia are most probably not serious right now. It has been a long time France has not sold the same major weaponry to two potential adversaries. Although serbs have Mistral shorads missiles... It looks like an attempt from Serbia to stirr up dissent between France and Croatia. Turks did the same towards the greeks very recently, openly talking about their desire to order "first generation Rafales". I highly doubt Macron would do something like this... but who knows? So buy these Rafale before someone else does! (wink wink) - the 36 indian Rafale are not entirely modified YET. While the 36 have been formally delivered very recently, only 35 are physically in India, with one aircraft, Rafale DH RB008, the first produced but the last delivered, still being tested in France, under the authority of the Indian Air Force, for the integration and future retrofit of the full list of 13 ISE (Indian Specific Enhancements). - no electronic warfare variant is needed right now, however while the Spectra bandwidth has not been enlarged (which will be the case with late F4 early F5 production lots) the ASTAC pod dedicated to ELINT/ISR is still in service under the Mirage 2000D in the french air force. So while every Rafale will technically have ELINT capabilities akin to the ASTAC pod in the future, and much more with radar-based jamming to go alongside it, it's not really the case right now. Dedicated pods could very well be developed if the need arises, alongside the enhancement of Spectra. - SCALP EG missile could not be acquired by Egypt not because it was not ITAR free. It was. However the USA placed a certain chip on the ITAR list to block this sale out of the blue to appease Israel. Egyptians were furious against the french, and it took a year to fix the problem as a replacement chip was developed and integrated in France, but the SCALP EG cruise missiles have since been delivered to Egypt, with pictures attesting their presence in the egyptian inventory. - about F4.1 and F4.2, you get it wrong. F4.1 will be the standard for retrofitted EXISTING Rafale aircrafts, which in the case of french aircrafts, have nowadays all (or almost all) been upgraded to the F3R standard (more on this later). F4.2 standard is the designation for all NEWLY PRODUCED F4 aircrafts. Again, these denominations make sense only for countries in which Rafale already operate. The UAE won't receive F4.1 or F4.2, only F4, because there won't be the need to differentiate between platforms. Their F4 will be akin to the F4.2 of course. Egypt however has received 24 F3 Rafale, that can be upgraded to F3R easily, and then to F4.1 standard. However the 30 additional aircrafts they will receive will be in F4.2 standard (newly produced F4). Therefore the distinction will make sense only for them, as well as France, Qatar, Greece, and Croatia, if these countries ever buy more Rafale or upgrade them in the future. To be specific, the only, heavily discussed among french military enthusiasts, difference between F4.1 and F4.2, would probably be the presence or the absence of side-looking arrays in the nose. However other solutions exists, like side looking tile panels incorporated in the future GaN based AESA RBE2 array for Rafale's radar, which may render the whole endeavour, and distinction, ludicrous. However there are zero viable information about this right now, it's a well kept secret, so don't take my informed amateur word for granted. - about the MADL terminal on Rafale, this is a misinterpretation. What is happening is the ESSOR (European Secure Software-defined Radio) datalink, which is a multiplatform european datalink successor to MIDS, that is already distributed to more "subscribers" than MADL, will be integrated on the Rafale along the link 16, meaning each Rafale will receive and act as a server node hosting multiple directional datalinks in the future. This led a USN official to recently demand "more connectivity between his F-35C and the Rafale M of the french navy" but that's only wishful thinking as of now. It is VERY hard to imagine LM opening MADL to a non-US aircraft. However, the F-35 will probably have access to ESSOR, as many of the participants to ESSOR are also F-35 clients (Germany, Italy, Finland, Poland, Spain, France, Sweden). This would solve the riddle. - The spectra suite F4 upgrade will probably (no certainly) revolve around enlarging its operating bandwidth. Few details have been released. There has been speculation that the RF detection frequencies it covers may have increased, possibly detecting RF threats in the Millimetre Wave (MMW) band There have been rumors about it operating from 0.3ghz to 300ghz. Now about indian ISE because people get these very wrong and don't understand what F3/F3R/F4/F4.1/F4.2 stand for: - These ISE include a whole lot of modifications, making it a standard close to the future F4. Mainly a low band jammer at the top front of the tail, side-looking arrays on the side of the nose behind small bays only present on indian Rafale right now, another downward/rearward T/R Spectra antenna just under the engines exhausts, and a new IR optic for the Front Sector Optronics. There is also a new APU with a cold start high altitude capability. - So other indian Rafale are still in F3 standard, or something akin to the F3R standard. "R" meaning "Roadmap", which is a french only standard incorporating a small unimportant physical reinforcement setting the airframe lifespan from 7500 hours to 9000 hours before refit. - That's why it makes no sense to call export Rafale F3R (yet), as F3R is the homogeneisation standard of a fleet of aircrafts that have been delivered in F1 (9 Rafale M of the navy which were then refitted in F3), F2, F2.1, F2.2, F3.1/.2/.3/.4 and F3O4T. F3R is therefore not a specifically set standard, since newly produced latest Rafale already include this modernization. - The F3R configuration is basically a consolidation of F3O4T (traitement des obsolescences, 4eme tranche) improvements and rationalizations (disappearance of the IR ball replaced with a near-IR TV captor), and concerns aircrafts delivered in previous standard, which does not concerns a single export customer since all export Rafale were delivered in F3 configuration, to a standard close to F3.4/F3O4T. - Among the tactically important modifications achieved over time, computing power. Quick story: the Rafale first started its life in the 90's and to keep up with Moore's law, has a fully optic fiber data bus connected to MDPUs centered around a plug&play upscalable Power PC architecture and CPU. The first one was roughly akin to a Pentium 1 133mhz, then went forward with something akin to a Pentium 2 333mhz, then to something akin to a Pentium 3 733 mhz CPU, then went dualcore with a 1.2 ghz cpu for the F3 standard. Then quad core with the F3.4 standard. This was made possible by the plug&play design of the whole Rafale system. Next standard (F3R as there is no F3.5 standard for obvious reasons) includes even more cores and faster clockspeed but it has been very difficult to find any information about this anymore, although it has been revealed Cuda cores may have been playing a role in these MDPUs for a long time. There are 4 bays for MDPUs in the Rafale, currently, there's still only 2 occupied by computers. That's all I can think about now. I wholeheartedly admit the french side does not communicate enough which makes people misunderstand many things about the Rafale. Keep up the good work.

[@islamrefaat8877]

you are absolutely right about the Egyptian Rafales and the SCALP EG missiles. Egypt did lost one Rafale and also did receive SCALP EG missiles

[@abdullahasif8963]

ok Israeli secret service member

[@H3x4r35]

​@Roger Really? There is one Rafale that has been ordered by an undisclosed *export* customer in 2021pushing the total result up to *285* and not *284 exported* Rafale. However this aircraft was not accounted for in Dassault's delivery schedule in 2021 when they announced their results in january 2022. The french spokeperson for the ministry of defense Hervé Grandjean confirmed this in january 2022 when answering this specific question from mister Michel Cabirol, journalist at La Tribune. Watch from 20:34: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKevlK2vmNp8kMk for any non-French speakers reading this here is a translation: _"- Hello Mr. Grandjean, Michel Cabirol, I had a question about the export results of the Rafale. Dassault Aviation declared in early january in its press release it had _*_sold 37 Rafales for export._*_ I noticed there were _*_30 Rafales for Egypt and 6 for Greece, but I can't see where does that last exported Rafale exported, the 37th, came from._*_ Maybe you got an idea about it, I don't. Well, I do, but it's all guesswork."_ _"- I don't know, we will investigate, we will have to ask Dassault the question too. Is it not the plane that was lost by the Egyptian armed forces, and for which they had decided on a supplement? In which case it would not be 30 for Egypt but 31? This is what I believe but it has to be verified."_ _"- That's what I think but Dassault doesn't want to answer."_ _"- Okay, we'll look into it with the DGA, and as for Mr. Tanguy we'll give you an answer by tomorrow Mr. Cabirol. Thank you very much. But once again, these are Dassault's accounts, not the Ministry of the Army's export balance sheets, so there it is. We will tell you what we can tell you with the information we have."_ There were also solid insider informations about the *_alleged_* crash but I said I would not discuss the circumstances here. This event could nevertheless have been an important factor in adding an Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System (AGCAS) for the F3R standard, an option which had originally been postponed to F4, the classical F3 GCAS being deemed sufficient. Lastly, please refrain from telling me I'm spreading fake news. I can actually source my information, thank you very much.

[@kodkodkatedra4660]

OMG your comment deserve to be the most informative comment ever I appreciate your dedicating much time to write it thanks a lot

[@H3x4r35]

@@kodkodkatedra4660 Thanks. You're welcome.

[@louisixlefourbe8075]

A little anecdote about the Rafale: the engineers had trouble designing the nose of the aircraft. So Marcel Dassault, the president and founder of Dassault Aviation, locked himself up in his office for three days and drew the nose by hand. The craziest thing is that the engineers hardly needed to correct Marcel Dassault's drawings, they were so precise and perfect!

[@louisixlefourbe8075]

@@sneescampers before that, he put paper wings on the biro with the help of the cap and threw it and said "I FU*KING KNEW IT" From this moment Rafale is called the Biro Death, ready to write lines of destruction and death upon ur army

[@Pouncer9000]

It really boggles the mind to think Marcel Dassault (then Marcel Bloch) started his aero engineer career designing a propeller .. during world war one!

[@AntonioGarcia-zr9uc]

He is a wonderful guy. Apparently, he drank 3 liters of his own piss to survive in such circumstances... and he loved every drop of it 🤙🏻hard-core stuff guys 🫡 that's what you have to do if you want to make it like a boss

[@rthelionheart]

All along with a bottle of fine cognac to keep him going.

[@honumoorea873]

Lol... People will never change, they need those useless imaginated anecdote

[@lecygnenoir4313]

Technical aspects aside, rapidly changing politics have had a lot to do with the Rafale's sudden success. You touch upon it in the video, but the Rafale comes with lot less strings attached than the F35 and a lot less political pressure than Russian aircrafts. France's image as an independent ally of the US, rather than a vassal, has historically always helped its weapon sales. The Trump era, with one of the two main american parties going back to isolationnism (to say it kindly) has also left a significant stain over the perception of US reliability to enforce the international rule of law. You can see the effect in the Rafale's client list. One very frequent common point for clients of the Rafale is that they're countries who have uneasy neighbour that they're worried the US might either favour over them (in the case of India and Pakistan, Greece and Croatia with Turkey, multiple arab countries with Israel) or refuse to confront directly (in the case of Indonesia and China).

[@tonysu8860]

Still, it's likely a compromise and inferior choice to buy a fleet of Rafale if there was no trust issues with the US and could obtain F-15 or F-16. I don't blame Turkey and Pakistan for trying hard to buy the F-16 before the Rafale. Pakistan has enjoyed a solid and reliable maintenance contract to support its 30 year old F-16 fleet despite its up and down relationship diplomatically with the US (particularly after the Osama bin Ladin raid). When you're facing an adversary that's shooting at you, you want every edge possible and economics and any other reason for settling for second best is forgotten.

[@jackdonith]

@@tonysu8860 Greece in addition to Rafales upgrades its F-16s to Viper (block 70). And it has also ordered F-35. But it makes sense for a coutnry that sees US politics usually (though not today) favor Turkey to split the market in two different providers. The Greek Rafale, just like previously the Mirage offers a plane that the potential enemy doesn't have and thus does not not. besides the Rafale comes with abilities the F-16v simply does not have. Scalp and Meteor missiles are the cherry on top.

[@vorrdegard2176]

@@tonysu8860 Rafael is not inferior to f -15 /16 fighters if it was why any country would buy it

[@carlosandleon]

US as a whole is going isolationist. Doesn't matter which party

[@TelManothHexperax]

internet and people who love plane never understand it, but country never buy plane because it's the best one, they buy planes for politic aspect . why buy F35 ? because you need to buy USA for being ally to the USA . when you are agasint USA politic, you buy China or Russia . when you try to be ... in between , you buy french . i really think 70 or 80 % of the decision to buy rafale or f35 is politic ... look at switzerland f35 for them are the worse plane ever . they need it for air surveillance on their country alone ( a montagne country ) so their choice should be a plane fast, low maintenance ... rafale or F18 .. f35 is purely politic choice to please biden .

[@iglooone7165]

Last thing, this beast is appreciate by his discreetion, not the rcs or radar’s one, but because of its low consommation of kérosène. With after-burner he drink less than a typhoon in dry trust, that means less tankers are needed in support for the same mission. Dassault had think at all. Awesome job he did.

[@totolescargo]

Glad to see a channel of such quality recognizing the Rafale for what it really is. The rampant french bashing makes people underestimate the work of Dassault. I wonder if Serbia will also get on the Rafale's hype train ?

[@tomislavcukac9677]

If France sell Serbia Rafale it will lost technology like America’s F-117A that was shot down in 1999 and later transfered to China.

[@totolescargo]

@@tomislavcukac9677 Why ? France sold Rafales to Egypt, the UAEs and other countries, and yet it didn't happen. What would change with Serbia ?

[@tomislavcukac9677]

@@totolescargo Serbia is planing to destroy Kosovo and break up Bosnia and make Great Serbia.

[@the80386]

"rampant french bashing?" - where? by who? France is regarded quite highly for their STEM subject research and production (not to mention their culture, designs, tourism and food)

[@totolescargo]

@@the80386 Well you musn't have been on the Internet for too long then

[@pandaDotDragon]

All the Rafale have always been upgraded to the last standard (F1 then F2 then F3) and it's a big difference with the Eurofighter (T1s...). It will be the case also with the F4 however there is a little detail. The full F4 standard needs structural adjustments hence only newly produced Rafale will be compatible: it's the standard F4.2. For the previous ones there is a sub standard, the F4.1.

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

Thanks for pointing out.

[@goodputin4324]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech you should cover the Boramae next

[@pandaDotDragon]

@Roger F4.1 and F4.2.... However the need to do a structural change is known since a long time so all the lastly produced are able to move to the F4.2, i.e it.s not only for those produced once the F4 is rolled out.

[@bertrandviolette9008]

Don’t forget that the Rafale has been designed from the beginning as a "plug and play" system. That helps the easy evolution of the Rafale.

[@GGJunHyo]

"Binkov did this already, sir" is the best opening line that could have been made for this video, im glad you did.

[@Jugement]

10:20 Rafale does this by flying extremely close to the ground. Like ~30-50m. Pilots of the Armée de l'Air always train at that altitude for penetration. In fact almost all electrical lines in France are layered with lights and sensors for that single reason !

[@cheveuxjaunes2782]

France has launched the ITAR free certification which guarantees the absence of all American dialing the eurodrone will have this certification

[@clio2rsminicup]

A commercial success despite the blockages of the geopolitical power of its US "ally" which once again proves the quality of French fighter planes and the Rafale.

[@ELMS]

Where else can anyone go on KZbin to get this kind of comprehensive briefing? Nowhere. Your channel is unique. Thank you!

[@arthurbousquet6838]

Lazerpig ?

[@kalui96]

@@Statueshop297 oh goddd those channels are so awful. they use the most tantelizing clickbait and realistic thumbnails too. then you boot the video, and the same 1 of 5 royalty free music starts playing, and a robot voice says hElLo GuyS

[@tigwhite883]

France can't be France, without it's greatness. Charles De Gaulle.

[@DeltaAssaultGaming]

Not so great in 1940…

[@emouclier]

@@DeltaAssaultGamingwe learn from history

[@alexc7669]

​@@DeltaAssaultGaming french history didn't start in 1940

[@rakim7484]

very important to say : most of the countries that bought F35 didnt do it because it was better or cheaper, they bought it because US treatened to not sell them nuclear missile launch platform if they didnt buy F35 :) This fighter jet was sell out because countries had no choice. technically, F35 should be better but is full of bugs and the maintenance cost is astonishing.

[@direwolf7491]

Hope IAF finally clears the 114 Rafale F4 deal. We need them most right now.

[@sbrhtdm]

20 years more

[@youbdu2981]

@@sbrhtdm yes they like to lose pilot in them 60 th mig 21 .. But they gonna lose some time from shorty politics talk

[@the80386]

they're going to crash them and taint the reputation of the equipment

[@tonysu8860]

If you're talking about the Indian Air Force, historically India won't buy more than the 5 it has now. They will probably be inspected and reverse engineered in an effort to make their indigenous fighter better (but won't succeed at that in the end, either).

[@direwolf7491]

@@tonysu8860 What are you smoking??? It seems GoooOOooD😅😅 India has 36 Rafales not 5. Did you even watch the video??? And India doesn't reverse engineer, they do joint ventures and all of them are highly successful.

[@BR-kv5kj]

Thank you for your perfect presentation and your huge knowledge. Another reason for customers to choose the Rafale is his high survavibility all along his career through numerous campaigns (Afghanistan, Syria, Tchad, Libya, Mali, etc.) None was KIA. (a french aéronavale officer, 30 years of service)

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

Are you a retired aéronavale officer? If yes, I may have a few questions for you (if they can be answered, of course). Would you contact me at [e-mail], if you are interested?

[@michaeldenesyk3195]

As usual, an excellent video and content. I think that Rafale is fantastic! I can't wait to see what the super rafale will bring to the table

[@aryanyadav3690]

Yeah the French weapons like Meteor, Mica & Scalp are some of the big reasons 🔥

[@thierrymilan2039]

Not only happily.

[@thetopsecretpentagonsclass6350]

France don't make meteor! Rest of the weapons are too inferior to US weapons even you can check their performance in real combat.

[@thierrymilan2039]

@@thetopsecretpentagonsclass6350 It seems you don't know nothing at air missiles. Meteor is half french (electronic) and all variants of Mica are worldly know to be some of the most successful to hit their target.

[@jeanvaljean9293]

@@thetopsecretpentagonsclass6350 France makes parts of the meteor thank you. Please elaborate on the superiority of US weapons...

[@thetopsecretpentagonsclass6350]

@@jeanvaljean9293 which weapon? Name it i will tell you its superiority!.

[@obamnaprismus]

glad to see the Rafale getting the respect it deserves. It is an excellent fighter, not because it's multirole, but because it's *omni*role. It does its job perfectly well and shows the French military is actually highly competent, I consider France to be Europe's major military and nuclear power, the only other European nation I hold to a similar standard would be the UK to a lesser extent. I say to a lesser extent because unlike France, the UK relies on external aids, what I mean is they don't build their F-35s. Many people love saying the Rafale is inferior to the F-35 because it's not a stealth fighter, but it's not intended to be, and the fact that this fighter can literally replace many other specialized aircraft thanks to its functions makes it be a major tactical advantage, as modularity is very important, and spare parts will be far easier to supply. Though this video has a couple inaccuracies, they're just nitpicks and none I picked out were on a technological level. I'd say it's very spot-on. From a very (perhaps way too) passionate French defender of the Rafale, great video

[@vinaybati4606]

In a multipolar world, agile weapon systems and replaceable flexible parts will be key selling point for any weapons to other country.

[@gandigooglegandigoogle7202]

The Rafale eat ten F35 every morning for breakfat ! the F35 has no chance against the Rafale, the F35 suffers from serious deficiencies which are still not resolved...it's a flying anvil! the F35 and the F22 raptor keep getting punished at every redflag exercise, the Rafale is by far the very best !

[@Alexanbreizh]

I did notice that the Eurofighter is not mention among the Rafale potential competitors. 😁

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

Strange, I wonder why...

[@JGL841]

Every published (or leaked) evaluation I've seen of Eurofighter vs Rafale has the Rafale getting a superior score in every category. It could be that later variants of the Eurofigther will surpass the Rafale. The Eurofighter always scores fairly close to the Rafale in some categories but overall the Rafale seems better. Politics also plays a huge role in who gets picked...just ask the South Koreans, the Malaysians, the Swiss and the Finns. 🙄

[@walrustrent2001]

Overall cost is the answer, because on paper the specs are pretty close. But a Typhon is 117m€ a piece. A Rafale, 83 m€ (those figures may be old) As the air command on any country, would you buy 14 Rafale or 10 Typhoon ? And the reason for that ? France did the Rafale by itself, so it had to think hard to get the most of its bucks. On the other hand, the Typhoon is an example of committee innovation.

[@patlelion]

Rafale is far superior than Eurofighter! End of

[@ПлатонУченик]

"Persistent bad temper of Indian and Pakistani viewers" 🤣 I am an Indian myself and can't help agreeing. Unfortunately my fellow Indians have the nature of imagining that "patriotism makes up for facts" and that is the biggest hurdle to the military and technological progress of my nation. Thanks for posting such an informative video.

[@Fortheweak13]

Dassault stated they are fully ready developp Rafale successor alone if the SCAF was to fail. Has they have done when eurofighter typhoon project "failed"

[@lorpot]

Dassault reluctance to cooperate with anyone is a problem even for the French government.

[@Fortheweak13]

@@lorpot You have to understand the challenges, we are speaking about classified and well protected technologies, no company is eager to share them with its direct concurrent (airbus).

[@lorpot]

​@@Fortheweak13 You are right, especially for a private company. But as EU goes, and after the alarming Trumpism, reliance on US manufacturers should end at middle/long term (even if Orange Comb don't understand it could be a death warrant for some US aircraft industry). For this purpose, we need dragons able to compete with GD, McDonnel, Northrop and likes. Regarding this, Dassault has the bad habit to live on French domestic market and taxpayer pockets, ending in many overcosts. Their engineers and managers are also said to be quite arrogant towards other Europeans makers, also not a good point. Because, apart their excellence exigences, Dassault has a big team spirit at all levels. The founder, even if frankly right-leaning, was saved by Communists while in concentration camp (rumor says people died to keep him alive for France sake once liberated) and so always treated well the company workers and unions returned him accordingly. Never a strike. So it is even more difficult to them to cooperate.

[@lorpot]

@@_Gachette_ It was not about tech but project management. Dassault wanted to be the only boos.

[@dstavs]

I really enjoy watching your highly informative videos as much as I enjoy watching your subscriber numbers go up! People are figuring it out.

[@sorryociffer]

Two seat Rafale is a beautiful plane…

[@Gar99]

F35 is an amphibious fighter jet capable of underwater manoeuvres

[@tricosteryl]

you've just killed me 😂

[@Gar99]

@@tricosteryl it always ends up under the sea

[@berrol]

yes, the F35 can do submarines too

[@rajeev4243]

Besides the 36 Rafales flown by Indian Air Force mentioned here in the video, India is buying additional 26 Rafale Marines. Also the 114 Rafales are in the final stage of contract as part of the MRFA deal of India

[@castlekingside76]

It's a beautiful jet. The Grippen and Typhoon have a similar body style. For a 4.5 Jet, it's pretty hard to beat. Price wise is great value.

[@stitch77100]

Define a gen5 jet aircraft, and we may be able to discuss why the Rafale is only considered a 4.5 (or a 4++) by the American (biaised) designation... Given the actual proven capabilities of the F-35, the Rafale seems more mature and better designed than the US Marvel weapon (Wunderwaffen, ring a bell to anyone ?) And should actually be the 5th gen standard (only if you listen to engineers and specialists and not to marketing XD choose your side)

[@artiefakt4402]

​@@stitch77100 French doctrine with the Rafale... is fly low to conduct SEAD missions thanks to efficient jamming and a great ground tracking that allows them to fly at very low altitude and very high speed. However, as shown in Ukraine, flying low might become hazardous if there are lots of MANPADS on the ground. Wether people like it or not... VLO aircrafts such as the F-35 might come handy in that kind of high intensity conflict ... but I'm curious to know more about those "actual proven capabilities of the F-35"

[@stitch77100]

@@artiefakt4402 Well, for your information, the F-35 is as much (even a bit more in fact) threatened by MANPADS than any other aircraft, given that they target IR sources and that the F-35 motor is powerful (single engine fighter) So no, VLO aircraft are not less endangered by MANPADS than other aircraft : VLO is against EM radars, not IR seekers. (Unless I'm missing something in your comment)

[@artiefakt4402]

@@stitch77100 For your information... MANPADS aren't effective if you do not have to fly low... so, the IR source doesn't matter as the F-35 would be out of range anyway. VLO aircrafts (combined with efficient jamming systems) would allow them to operate at a higher altitude, despite other anti-air defence systems.

[@stitch77100]

@@artiefakt4402 Oh that was the meaning of your message. Sorry I got it wrong. (I thought you meant a VLO flying low) Totally agree that a VLO would be able to fly in densely defended airspace. And high enough to avoid the threat of MANPADS. But I am not convinced that an aircraft would never be detected by AA defenses (the F-117 shot down is a proof that no system is 100% safe) And the low RCS of the F-35 is only excellent from the front angle. But the radars may be more than one, and the plane will eventually need to turn away. It will still be LO, but some angles will reflect shortly some waves. Probably hardly enough to get a firing solution though, maybe not even a noticeable detection. One mistake though on your part, the fast and low flying as part a the French doctrine is not the same as the USAF/USN one. It is used to approach the target enough to be in range of the SCALP-EG or AASM armament. The first one has a range of 500km+ (300+ miles) so there is plenty enough space to shoot and manoeuvre without being detected, and it's supposed to be VLO too. So the need for dedicated SEAD/DEAD armement is lower than the US doctrines. The last French one was the AS.37 Martel (and later the ARMAT development)

[@turndroid234]

As an American, i choose the Rafale over the flawed , super expensive F35. The history of the F35 is a sad one. From the very start, experts agreed it would be cheaper to cancel the existing program because its riddled with all sorts of problems and start from scratch. But the Bush administration insisted to continue the project no matter the cost because a lot of investors would lose their investments. So in short, the F35 was built with investors in mind, not the people who will use it to protect liberty.

[@danieledelfino6527]

ahhh , love rafale! it deserve success!

[@direwolf7491]

Yes it does. Amazing fighter jet.

[@veerendrapratapsingh8719]

Rafale has greatest future compared to the other European contemporaries....

[@varun2250]

Not if Tempest takes flight, now the Japanese are also in the project.

[@zvonkoprosen4096]

there is no competition in europe

[@marcg1686]

@@varun2250 Tempest, if actually built, will be eye wateringly expensive. The numbers built will be small.

[@mill2712]

@@marcg1686 I would definitely agree with you there. The British, Italian, and Swedish Tempest being a 6th generation craft with all it's technology will be extremely costly. I also believe it will be very technologically advanced. So much so, I have a feeling that the only countries that will use it will be the ones that worked on it and it won't be exported.

[@Humbulla93]

@@zvonkoprosen4096 saab gripen cheaper than rafale incredibly rugged and is so small it can land on highways

[@rosomak8244]

People seem to have actually forgotten that the Rafale was a split up from the Eurofighter project. The basic aerodynamical design choices are the same as can be seen. And it got finished much quicker and seems to have turned in to a far more actually practical asset.

[@bertrandviolette9008]

Not realy the same aerodynamical philosophy. Both are canards fighter, yes, but the Rafale canards are close canards, the air intakes are quiet different, and so on…

[@jmbig]

the canard system worked on some mirages long before the existence of the typhoon it was the typhoon that (poorly) copied dassault... not the other way around...

[@anselmetheo3266]

The Rafale was inspired by the Super Mirage 4000 who was created long before EF typhoon

[@rosomak8244]

@@bertrandviolette9008 I don't think you understand how the canard on both aircraft work. Both of them work in the same way. Boundary layer handling on the Rafale seem to be more refined that's true.

[@honumoorea873]

It was not, political decision was, engeenering design wasn't.

[@Merlig22]

Vos vidéos sont vraiment très intéressantes. Merci à vous.

[@iglooone7165]

Hello my friends, congrats for this vidéo, ur analyse is pretty good, respect for une awesome job. Just know concerning spectra, that’s a complet program notified by DGA to dassault électronique in 1980. Dassault got The lead because they were much more ahead concerning counter mesures than thales (ex thompson) since 2001, it’s no less of over 4000 update done on the system, that means approximatively an update each open day

[@jpierce2l33t]

The Czech's just picked the f35 over the Gripen...and SAAB is butthurt about it lol. The Gripen is great too tho, not taking anything away from it. The Rafale is one of my very favorite fighters..and I think another reason it's so popular is because other countries see how the French use it themselves...VERY aggressively! They come in hot against the best air defenses in the world, blow everything the hell up, and get out before they know what hit em! They have a very 'who needs stealth?!' attitude and I think it's awesome

[@Skankhunt-mv4vd]

aren't they literally in the process of developing a full stealth aircraft?

[@jpierce2l33t]

@@Skankhunt-mv4vd yeah I'm just speaking on the Rafale...not the French attitude as a whole lol.. guess I could've worded that better 🤣. But yeah I just meant the Rafale's attitude

[@didierlemoine6771]

@@Skankhunt-mv4vd stealth hs no future with new radar and satellites :)

[@Skankhunt-mv4vd]

@@didierlemoine6771 satelites will not be able to detect stealth planes in real time for the next few decades at the VERY LEAST. They can barely handle ICBMs and those are thousands of times brighter than jet engines (even in afterburner). In terms of radar, sure they are bound to get more powerful and they will develop better clutter algorithms, but stealth isn't really one specific technology and it will also continue to evolve and adapt to new radars and techniques. Quite short sighted to assume stealth has no future, especially since literally every major country is pursuing the technology.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@@didierlemoine6771 New radar would make conventional aircraft obsolete, making stealth a bare necessity.

[@jkim6200]

I had the pleasure of seeing a Rafale more than 20 years ago at an airshow. It was quite a contrast to the then-aging design of F-15K which could only do big power loops at higher altitudes.

[@tricosteryl]

The main difference between Rafale and F35 is that the Rafale can be operated alone. Whereas the F35 is relying on heavy support for air superiority, protection, range and so on. Also Rafale is far more easier to operate and the cost of the flight hour is much lower

[@hermes6910]

" Whereas the F35 is relying on heavy support" Just no.

[@hunterh1175]

Anyone else getting déjà vu about the SCAF program? It looks exactly like the Eurofighter program. It was supposed to be a joint European thing, but every country wanted a slightly different aircraft and that made the final product kind of bad for everyone, so France went and made the perfect plane for themselves (Rafale) while the others finished the program with the Typhoon, which is basically a Rafale but slightly worse at everything. Fight me on that

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

I would say that the Rafale is more mature, as a combat system. In terms of pure performances the Eurofighter is kinematically superior. I am a supporter of national solutions, so no wonder I like the Rafale.

[@hunterh1175]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech I wish European nations could get along more… I do think French aerospace engineering is the best in Europe, and that we would all benefit if the EU just paid us to design a European aircraft ourselves, but of course that’s not possible. Everyone wants to do their part and have their say, and to be honest that’s completely understandable. I don’t think we’re rich enough to make a 5th gen fighter on our own like we did the Rafale, and I don’t think the EU is mature enough to make a good fighter in reasonable time. But anything would be better than being dependent on the US with the F35

[@cannonfodder4376]

The relative lack of terms and conditions that come with French equipment like the Rafale is undoubtedly its biggest boon. It may not be 5th gen but for many the overall package combined with France's lack of attaching strings to their sales is much more attractive in this new era of uncertainty. Going to be interesting to see the Rafale evolve as the years roll by. Although sometimes I wonder wither or not taking the Rafale's guts and repackaging them into a KF-21/J-35 style 5th Gen airframe may not be a better alternative to SCAF should SCAF fall apart. A good and informative video.

[@rosomak8244]

The platform is as old as the Eurofigher because they have common roots. It's basically 80-ties aerodynamics and it's getting really old.

[@didierlemoine6771]

@@rosomak8244 still much lighter than the F35 :)

[@valian8985]

@@rosomak8244 exept the rafale airframe is not "old".. Its as capable as most modern airframe

[@thierrymilan2039]

@@rosomak8244 Only the aerodynamic design was quite common. Both fighter are way different one from the other.

[@DecalageChope]

@@rosomak8244 Except that the Rafale's aerodynamics were definitively fixed in 1991 with the first prototype (Rafale C01). Compared to the demonstrator of the 1980s (Rafale A), the shapes were modified for stealth.

[@francoscicolone9534]

Great video. I envy the french's models and their aproach to their technology in projects, not wanting to lose ground. But what were the diferences between airbus and dassault?

[@cheveuxjaunes2782]

Not the same company and not the same philosophe Airbus is an european company qui touche un peut pres a tous ce sui vole Dassault is a French company and not European (this is why in the FCAS dassault represents france and airbus spain and germany) they specialize in fighter aircraft with a private jet branch dassault has a philosophy according to which they concentrate all their competence on this to push it to its maximum.

[@didierlemoine6771]

Eurofither is Airbus, Rafale is Dassaukt :)

[@gringologie9302]

On other term. Germany is trying to remake an air and space industry alone. From Ariane space program to actual state of Airbus consortium ; the direction is confirm. back at its fondation, Airbus was more french than anyother participant. Today, headquarters had been transfered at Frankfort for Airbus defense branch. They are pushing to go further, pretending that they can totally lead an European project by themself in defense (like any private company will do to obtain a market), forgetting all the prob that are inside a project like Eurofighter for the exemple. In term of defense, from an independant state point if view, EF isn't acceptable. Airbus private interest are totally backed by German states, as they gain ground on air and space tech. While France is sharing tech. That's a different story. A chance that Dassault isnt lead by french politicians demand. If it was, France wouldn't have any independent air defense company. Our europeist leaders are totally disconnect from reality of our world.

[@cheveuxjaunes2782]

@@didierlemoine6771 it is more than Airbus In typhoone leonardo a top italian company it also here

[@didierlemoine6771]

@@cheveuxjaunes2782 yes Airbus seems to hv a majority in thé Eurofighter ;)

[@LucasRsw]

If there is no SCAF, Dassault will make its own aircraft and it will be GEN6, not an "in between GEN5 and GEN6". They already have the drones on the way and works closely with Thales. As always we are wasting time because of the Germans that wants to bring US made pieces into the system, which is stupid if you want to be independant, so be sure Dassault with Safran and Thales are already working on the alternative scenario of a 100% french made GEN6 aircraft. Dassault is always well aware of what it has to do to stay a leader as of aircraft developer. Besides, its the same problem for the next generation tank.

[@HILLEVILOVE]

As usual, a great video. However, I question the comment that the Rafale's performances "smokes the F-35 in every area". I assume what is meant is the basic air frame performances. As this is a very complicated issue, I wonder what is actually meant by that. Granted, in very simplified terms, the Rafale has the advantage in lower wing loading and slightly higher thrust-to-weight in afterburner. I MIL power, however, they are about the same. But the F-35 has the advantage with a much larger angle of attack capability and can perform post-stall maneuvering, which the Rafale can not. Neither can any other currently operational fighter which does not employ thrust vectoring. It also has a drag and maneuvering advantage with internal weapons. F-35 can pull 9 Gs with 5700 pounds internally - which currently no other operational fighter can match - and , for instance, with comparably much less roll-rate and asymmetrical restrictions. Perhaps except for the J-20 and SU-57, if one would describe the latter as operational. And the F-35 has a significantly larger, relative internal fuel capacity (fuel fraction) which translates into more range and performance advantages in certain parts of the mission and flight profile. So while I agree that the Rafael most likely has several performance and maneuvering advantages over the F-35, it would depend on the configuration and mission. I think there is also no doubt that the F-35 has advantages in some areas.

[@HILLEVILOVE]

@@goldenboy5693 "The thing is, you are talking about what the F35 should be able to do." Actually, I am talking about the F-35's basic performances, which are facts and well documented.

[@thierrymilan2039]

@@HILLEVILOVE I don't know you but I must admit you're a very pleasant guy. Really, I was laughing so loud when you pretended Iron F35 was superior in range. Please continue like this, you should be consulted for health concerns.

[@HILLEVILOVE]

@@thierrymilan2039 I note that you didn't provide any sources to contradict my statement. The F-35's range capabilities are well documented, and the following interview with a couple of USAF and USMC F-22, F/A-18 and F-15C pilots point this out in real scenarios. For instance, the pilot states that the F-35 has substantially more range and persistence than an F-15C with two drop tanks (I highly recommend to watch the whole interview for a better understanding of the F-35's capabilities): kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4XKdYd5bcSDg5I

[@Albertkallal]

>and slightly higher thrust-to-weight in afterburner. No, the Rafale has a lower power to weight rating. you can't just go google the T/W rating, since each figher is rated WITH VAST VAST different payloads - beyond silly to do that. Here is the thrust to weight rating for F35, Rafale, F16, and Gripen. Higher = better. Fuel payload Rafale F35 F16 Gripen 0 1.4137 1.3984 1.4784 1.2617 700 1.3737 1.3672 1.4284 1.2130 2500 1.2806 1.2932 1.3141 1.1035 3500 1.2341 1.2555 1.2581 1.0508 3750 1.2230 1.2464 1.2449 1.0384 5000 1.1704 1.2028 1.1826 0.9805 6000 1.1314 1.1701 1.1371 0.9387 7000 1.0950 1.1391 1.0950 0.9003 7500 1.0777 1.1242 1.0751 0.8822 9125 1.0249 1.0784 1.0151 0.8283 10362 0.9880 1.0459 0.9737 0.7914 12000 0.9431 1.0058 0.9239 0.7474 13500 0.9055 0.9718 0.8825 0.7111 15000 0.8707 0.9399 0.8447 0.6782 18250 0.8038 0.8776 0.7729 0.6165 20900 0.7564 0.8325 0.7228 0.5739 so, we see that: The F16 has to burn fuel down to a low 3,500 lbs to match the F35 thrust to weight. The duel engine Rafale fairs even worse, down to a bone dry 700lbs to match the F35. And the power lower powered Gripen - even starting at 0 payload it matches none of the above. The Gripen with JUST a payload of 5,000 lbs now weighs MORE then total engine thrust !!! (can't fly straight up). And with only 10,000 lbs payload? The Rafale now also weighs MORE then total engine power can can't fly straight up. F35 can, and can do so with 11,000 or even 12,000 lbs payload. And this T/W advantage holds in favor of the F35 as you increase payloads. Given that the F35 is a duel tail section fighter, and ALSO has a better T/W rating then a Rafale, then even in dogfighting, the F35 going to fair better. But, no, the only real elephant in the room in regards to the Rafale? It has a rather low power to weight rating - and it worse then the F35.

[@thierrymilan2039]

@@HILLEVILOVE I will not try to convince you that you're wrong. They are so much parameters to quality the performance of a fighter and you just choosing a few positive to the F35 like if it was a racing car match. The only real datas to read are the TECHNICAL results of many tenders including both Rafale and F35. Yes, not the final choice because everybody knows that politic have the last word.

[@darkcassoulet1041]

Im a Rafale mechanic :)) And i just wanted to point out thats the F4.1 is already in the Air Force for testing at Mont de Marsan's CEAM,

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

The videos in the mash-up are a couple of years old now...

[@darkcassoulet1041]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech yeah ik man

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

Rafale is a mature weapon system. Can fulfill every single task its assigned with a decent reliability and performances Airframe is also very capable to evolve onto something like "Super Rafale" if SCAF comes with delays US brag about F-35 but it's a "gen" later and logically much more "technological" and refined for "stealth" and "sensor fusion" Can't wait to see what Dassault will do with the SCAF ! Gonna be epic !

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

Rafale is an Amazing Aircraft! 🇫🇷💙🦅

[@dovlacro6382]

It's look like France wouldn't sell Rafale to Serbia because of distrust to Serbian government. Formally "neutral" position of Serbia but extremely very close ties with Russia and China guarantee that Rafale will be carefully analysed by military technical intelligence of both countries. That is reason why Turkey doesn't want to sell Bayraktar TB2 to Serbia too. France is NATO country and Serbia really hate NATO.

[@the80386]

Serbia maintains ties to Russia because they remember what NATO did to them in the 90s. there was no outcry for them in the media like ukraine gets now, because the aggressors were the 'good guys'. And they're building ties with China because that's the obvious thing to do for any country (unless it's fully controlled by USA/EU). the future cannot be imagined without China because they're the 2nd most important 'pole' in the evolving 'multi-polar' world; denying that is denying reality.

[@aleksaradojicic8114]

You dream to much...

[@dovlacro6382]

@@aleksaradojicic8114 Why? What isn't truth?

[@aleksaradojicic8114]

@@dovlacro6382 First, Serbia doesn't have any special intelligence relations with either Russian and China, as such claiming that Serbia is some "security risk" is laughable. Second, France sold Rafales to both Egypt and India, countries which have much more closer relations with China (in case of Egypt) or Russia (in case India), as such claiming that France will not sold it to Serbia is again laughable.

[@nicocarperiviere570]

Magnifique avions 100% français vive la france 🇨🇵

[@frankunderbush]

Coming from the perspective of a Canadian, it's been very disappointing to see the current administration choosing the F-35 over the Rafale. After flirting with Lockheed for a decade, having the original F-35 purchase plans axed, only to come back to the F-35 after this latest round of evaluation/competition. For a country like Canada, realistically the main uses of such aircraft would be for counter terrorism and peacekeeping operations against much inferior enemies. It is a complete waste of money to buy and maintain a fleet of F-35s. In contrast, a fleet of relatively "cheaper", more flexible, easier and cheaper to maintain 4/4.5 gen fighters would do just about all the F-35 can do minus the radar profile aspect. Anyway, great video as always, looking forward to the next topic!

[@tonysu8860]

The problem for Canada is that it can be considered a "border country" adjoining Russia so Russia is a likely adversary which would have to be overcome if a conflict arises. So far Rafales are being sold mainly to countries that don't expect to have to overcome Russian fighter technology and for many not even Chinese. If a country doesn't have to face Russian aircraft and systems, then something less than an F-35 can be considered, even 4th Gen like the Rafale.

[@EEEEEEE354]

The Rafale is not signficantly cheaper than the F-35 in any way.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

If you want counter-terrorism and peacekeeping, get cheap used F-16s and fly them until the wheels fall off. Nothing "cheap" about using 4.5 gen in peacekeeping or counterterrorism.

[@EEEEEEE354]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD the Rafale is straight up more expensive than an F-35A per unit, and it's cost per flight hour is virtually equivalent. The only reason anyone buys Rafale is ITAR. F-16s are the real deal

[@Mystical922]

Canada is part of NATO you may be called to combat the F-35 is the best export aircraft in the world the only reason the F-35 isn’t bought is America has strings attached to prevent classified aspects leaking to our enemies

[@asper1952]

The lights are amazing, the image is very smooth, did you change something, it's really positive !

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

Thanks, Lumix S5 filmed in vlog and colourized with Da Vinci Resolve

[@asper1952]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech looks like a real improvement ;)

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

Rafale sells well in "non-aligned" countries for one simple reason : secrecy and how you're never really the "owner" of the plane for the F-35 ! US will always keep "an eye" on what you do with the aircraft and they are allowed to analyse data gathered during your flights and data gathered through sensors Dassault dont do that.

[@tsangarisjohn]

Perfectly understandable. If the French had equivalent tech they would do the same. Protecting technological assets is rational.

[@tonysu8860]

Not entirely true. The non-aligned countries you describe probably try to keep their heads down and avoid confrontations with any country that's truly powerful that has Russian or American aircraft so can afford to buy something less than the best. They're probably flying against insurgents in the desert or some other adversary that doesn't have the means to buy any particularly dangerous weapons.

[@thierrymilan2039]

@@tsangarisjohn "French don't have the tech" ? That is a joke ? Another stupid french bashing comment.

[@johanmetreus1268]

@@tsangarisjohn it's not about protecting the technology, but using technology to leverage and extract other vital information from the clients. Basically a John Deere scheme on international scale.

[@honumoorea873]

​@@tsangarisjohnThe reason is the mindset of America, they want to control everything, they are selfish little kids, not that surprising for a young country.

[@kathrynck]

Rafale, Grippen, and SU-35S (emphasis on the S) are my 3 favorites, for non-US gen 4.5 fighter aircraft.

[@bafattvahetere]

Gripen.

[@kathrynck]

@@bafattvahetere On a per-dollar (or euro) basis, yeah, the Gripen does stand out. Particularly on upkeep expense. It's amazing how many boxes it checks at it's cost point.

[@Lol-rx7sx]

Le gripen n'est pas totalement Suédois, son moteur et 40% de ses composants sont américains...

[@petermcgarrymusicandflying]

Well deserved. French success story.

[@sylvainduret9880]

Vive la France ✨ Vive la Liberté 🗽 💙🇨🇵🇺🇲🇬🇧 🥳 !!!

[@amardeep5821]

Can you please put out a video which analyzes Rafael's capabiities vis Chinese Air Defense systems and also how does it compare in terms of performance + capabilities against PLAAF and PLAAN inventory.

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

So you can go to a forum and discuss how powerful is IAF?

[@amardeep5821]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech Nope. We paid a very hefty price for 36 Rafales. Wanted to know whether it was worth it? Or would it have been better to go for F/A-18 Block 3 Super Hornet.

[@michaelmazowiecki9195]

Given the possibility of the US pulling out of Nato, dependence on US technology is a security risk

[@lolilollolilol7773]

Buying F35 planes means you sign military allegiance to the USA. I cannot guarantee it's true (and knowing the US politics, it is most likely true), but I've read that the F35 requires an electronic key that is sent to you on a daily basis to operate. So if Washington wants, they can simply block this transfer and your shiny F35 planes are as good as a pile of bricks. After all, they did exactly that to Egypt when they tried to buy bombs that contained american electronics. That's the kind of "strings attachment" that you deal with when you buy american planes and that's one of the big reasons why many countries prefer the Rafales to the F35.

[@new-wave2941]

You are a legend, thank you for making such good videos, greetings from Serbia 🇷🇸, we will probably order 14, but they are overbooked, they have a lot of orders, so only god knows when we will receive those 14 planes 😂

[@nimaiiikun]

I love it when John Goodman narrates military news

[@bernardedwards8461]

Poor old RAF! It used to be third most powerful airforce in the world, but now it is one of the weakest, though you wouldn't think so to hear Boris Johnson talk! Our Army and Navy are in no better state, but few Brits know this. They think we have strong armed forces.

[@clives344]

Many in the UK 🇬🇧 armed forces would agree with you.

[@thierrymilan2039]

Being French, I completly agree with you. The question to me is how a country sized like France can apply in his defense budget almost the same military choices like the USA do ? Questions about industrial lobbies ?

[@bernardedwards8461]

@@thierrymilan2039 Militarily, France is a lot stronger than UK, but nowhere near as strong as USA. Britain cannot be as stromg as America, but if our defence was in competent hands we should be able to match France. The most sinister aspect of this is that what I have told you has been hidden from the British people, so at least 90% of them believe we are a major military power. It's a wonder we are allowed to keep our permanent seat on the UN Security Council. Macron rightly described Boris as a clown, totally incompetent.

[@thierrymilan2039]

@@bernardedwards8461 First, my purpose wasn't to compare UK and France, as each nation has been at competition for 1000 years, just an odd habit. Second when it goes on nukes power, saying one is better than another is just unuseful as only one nuke head on a country Capital city or another major point would be dramatically ending the story of every one. I wouldnt say something bad about Brits because I do appreciate you (I was talking with a former British Army unit commander no less than last sunday in France). But each nation think more or less what their own government, lobbies and medias feed them with.

[@bernardedwards8461]

@@thierrymilan2039 Silly man! Nukes dont count, because we cant use them. They are for deterrence and prestige, not actual use.

[@Rousseau4469]

Rafale has in it's roster way more missions and operational hours than the F-35 in Mali Syria Iraq Afghanistan and finally in Libya where only took 4 of them to destroy all infrastructure of Al Wattiya airbase ( anti-aircraft Hawk missiles Turkish Jammer Coral ΤΒ2 Drones stationed radars of the base Sam missiles various armored vehicles). After that operation Greece ordered its first Rafales and a number of countries followed it's example.

[@didierlemoine6771]

France is the only one independant country in Europ :)

[@superfastjellyfish78]

Not as it used to be... France has to free itself from Europe to free itself from the US. Europe is a US puppet

[@bertrandviolette9008]

I love the title. Marvelous way to say all in a single sentence!

[@lcoudeur]

Do you need a CAESAR to teach Otis a lesson about French kit ;)

[@zvonkoprosen4096]

Great chanel for detail info on new technologie

[@Idahoguy10157]

Rafale, Typhoon, Gripen, in the future Tempest. All this not counting F-35. Or Russian jets. French engineering has always been impressive. What’s more impressive is marketing French military equipment!

[@dariusdareme]

Thanks for letting me know of the Joint European Fighter Program for a 6th generation plane. Didn't know of that.

[@ΚωνσταντίνοςΤσέλιος-θ1χ]

Greece has already 6 rafale in service

[@bastadimasta]

...and a debt for the next 60 years to pay for them and keep them operational.

[@ΚωνσταντίνοςΤσέλιος-θ1χ]

@@bastadimasta whatever is necessary to defend our land from hostile pirate states ... I don't think our economy is something that should bother you mehmet .

[@bastadimasta]

@@ΚωνσταντίνοςΤσέλιος-θ1χ why are you so aggressive and rude?

[@zvonkoprosen4096]

are you guys happy with rafale? problems?

[@vask3863]

@@zvonkoprosen4096 From the very few information that we get, is the pilots are very satisfied with the Rafale. No problems at all, since Hellenic Airforce is flying French planes for over 50 years.

[@SukhoiGC]

Love your videos! Glad you are well, keep it up :)

[@warcrimeenjoyer219]

When you buy American weapons it’s more of a lease than ownership

[@dasarhijau]

And when you buy from the French they would tell your enemies what is the advantages and disadvantages of ur weapons and the way to easily counter them. What, u don't believe? Ask the Argentinians.. Hahaha

[@scramjet7466]

Not just weapons even consumer tech like apple, Tesla, farming equipment etc. It's all planned obsolescence

[@askingstuff]

Well… that’s basically nonsense. We never requested the weapons back.

[@redwithblackstripes]

@@askingstuff No but you blocked spare parts and maintenance in the past to countries looking to buy Russian equipment and even the UK is concerned with anti tempering mechanism in its F-35's, you can't exactly pretend the United States operates in a free market...

[@Aaron-wq3jz]

@@redwithblackstripes ofc since US is essentially the leader of the western world. They make sure they won’t have a repeat of Iran where they might have an adversary that flies the f35 for the next 40 years

[@msackett4858]

Excellent very interesting, lots to think about and great to have an understanding of the lovely jet, Thank you !

[@artiefakt4402]

As you said... the F-35 wasn't even an option (not available to them) for the countries that ended up buying the Rafale. Those who were able to make the choice... bought the Lightning II. Therefore, I don't think those two are "rivals" per se. The Rafale is a strong competitor to all other "4.5 Gen" fighters out there : F-16 Viper, F-15 EX, Saab Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon, Sukhoi SU-30 or SU-35... depending on various reasons (relationship with the country, budget, package...)

[@biswajitbordoloi8092]

Indian airforce inducted 36 RAFALE Indian Navy in process of acquiring 26 rafale -m Indian airforce has High probability of acquiring 114 RAFALE in MRFA .

[@TechZF]

Thanks for the video, Could you sometime, make a Gripen vs Rafale video? From exports and capabilities point of view? Thanks in advance.

[@jklappenbach]

They just built the 1,000th F35. The Rafale has only built only 259. It's not much of a rivalry, especially when the main argument against is that the US may have a say in how the weapon is used or to whom it may be sold. For NATO members, that's really not an issue.

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

I am not sure Wikipedia is correct on this and there are plenty on order anyway. Fewer than 35s sure but not few. Also consider that the first 150 35s are more or less unusable but as stealth aggressors. About NATO, do not give for granted that the alliance is so solid. It is actually not.

[@gringologie9302]

Boeing built 12 677 B-17. But only 21 B2 spirit. It's not much of a rivalry... Most dishonest argument ever. Weapons argument is one among the other. And USA don't supply any amo without control.

[@BzhToine]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech Hello! I found a document years ago comparing different planes "operational avalability" where it was stated that f-35 was 0.8 fly by day while rafale was 2.4. It was years ago and I made the mistake to not register it. (I don't know either the reliability of the source.) It would be a great element to add to your videos, and specially when making comparisions as with the previous numbers I mentionned (wich look to me way to spread), it would need more than 3 F35 to do the job of a single rafale adding the availability and the payload. But even if we split the difference in two it's still significative.

[@suflanker45]

Its simple.The Rafale works and the French are flexible in giving what the customers want. The F-35 sucks and Lockheed Martin has made sure if the customer tries to fix it on their own it will "Brick it". To quote the line from Robocop about the ED209 "Who cares if it works!"

[@amardeep5821]

The talk about Super Rafael has parallel with the talk about the proposed Mirage 4000 fighters. If one believes some comments in certain forums then it almost happened but was dropped becauae of the cost and limitations of the air frame.

[@price803]

Little update for Serbia. Serbia is interested for total 24 of multirol aircrafts for replacment for J-22 Eagle and MiG 29. Since replacment of J-22 is more urgent, first J-22 will be replaced by 12 new multirol aircraft (read new Rafal F4) and after that the plan is to buy additional 12 for replacmet MiG 29, so that will be 24 aircraft in total.

[@swordsman1137]

No Mig-35? Not satisfied by Russian product?

[@thelovacluka]

Were there any talks in Serbia purchasing SUs?

[@zvonkoprosen4096]

serbia is geting chinese plains

[@price803]

@@swordsman1137 The Serbian Airforce was never the fan of it or 29 that we currently have. The Rafal is wet dream for all ex Yugoslav air forces (Serbian especially) due to never completed project of YU Supersonic, which was single engine Rafal planned to be built in Yugoslavia. ​ @Luka Mesaric I guess yes, but like I said, air force was more a fan of Rafale. Beside two mentioned, there were also talks for EF2000 since late 2000's and sort of talks with US for F-16

[@entropy_of_principles]

as like is going on with supporting poutine 's war, Serbs not going to see nothing, not UE invitation, nor the West fighter. how it could be ? as you and all of yours support a criminal regime, you and hunGayry

[@smeralda4431]

.. i have been to a number of airshows. All i can say about the Rafale: i have not seen another fighterjet (including F-35, Eurofighter, etc.) with such incredibly dynamic flight performance ..

[@zetareticulan321]

If the Rafael sells any better the US would be like, "that's a national security threat!"

[@XxAverageJoexX]

Why? The F35 would kill the Rafale in most circumstances.

[@XxAverageJoexX]

@@CaptainDangeax 🤣

[@johndoe-cd9vt]

@@XxAverageJoexX HAHAHHAH nice joke, this crapF35 can't even turn properly...

[@freakymachan2301]

@@johndoe-cd9vt lol what the rafale is a crap overpriced shit and they cant even properly sell that shit

[@adrien5834]

@@CaptainDangeax I don't know why you feel the need to be so aggressive, the OP made a joke...

[@nv3796]

Great content! Using too much Autis reminds me of the movie 'Her' :P

[@Fasmidio]

The Rafale is likely the best multirole fighter at the moment with the best price/performance ratio. However, I don't think it's a competitor to the F-35. F-35 is quite a lot better as I see it, but it has a more specialised role and needs deep pockets F-35 also must be maintained in another country except the countries that got the facilities. Plus, there's a fat chance the export version of the F-35 is as good as the US version, and an even fatter chance countries have an F-22 alternative to dominate the skies and access to the weapons US has. In short, F-35 is great for countries like UK, Israel, Japan, but the rest are better off with Rafale. Now if you already have Rafale or F-15 or Eurofighter, F-35 is also good. I also consider F-15 better, but it has the same negatives as the F-35 + lacks stealth and is not 5th gen.

[@Albertkallal]

>as I see it, but it has a more specialized role and needs deep pockets No, the F35 is less cost to buy then a Rafale, and in fact less then most 4th gen fighers. Typhoon/Eurofigher: 115 million Rafale: 94 million F15: 88 million (with IRST pod, and air to ground systems - 120 million). Gripen: JAS 39 E/F: 85 million F33: 77.8 million - and that's with full laszer to ground pod, and IRST system. So, how is the F35 higher cost? And the F35 has a better power to weight rating then a F16, or even a duel engine Rafale. And the flight cost per hour? Less then a F18, Less then a F15, and less then typhoon or Rafale. So, from a cost point of view? You need deeper pockets to buy a Rafale or F15 - and they both cost more per hour to run and maintain.

[@lolilollolilol7773]

@@Albertkallal LMAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Albertkallal]

​@lolilollolilol7773 Not an argument, you have to try and make one.

[@ricosiou5121]

May be F35 will be better but for now he s not mature enough and rafale is at his prime

[@Albertkallal]

@@ricosiou5121 Well, it not clear what you mean by "maturity" of the platform? I mean, compared to 10 years ago? Well, a bunch of engine issues were fixed, and the price of the engine now has dropped a whopping half in price. So, a bunch of updates and fixes to the engine has occurred. Same goes for the stealth coating issues at high speed. All F35's since lot 8 have a new high temperature ceramic coating applied to those program areas, and are now fixed and thus no damage to stealth at high speeds. Same goes for the helmet system. They used to cost $400,000 each, and now cost $250,000 each. And the bright LED problem at night been fixed, and the gen II/III helmets are now much lighter. And they upgraded the DAS camera system, again higher resolution, and much lower cost. And same goes for how they apply the stealth coatings - much improved. So, per unit cost has dropped from 200 million per copy to now 80 million per copy. And this year, they are rolling out a new central computer system - a whopping 25x the processing and memory of the previous gen computers. So, in terms of upgrades, fixes and maturity, the F35 seen vast improvements in the last 10 years. Perhaps your reference to maturity was in regards to combat experience? But then again, a fail to see any valid narrative in that area. I mean, we are now aware of the famous top gun school. What they trained for in war games worked in the real world. And same goes for the Falklands war. About 1 year before that war, British pilots took on some USA F15's in Germany and beat them, and lo and behold, the same tactics used in the Falklands war also worked. (in other words, a slow sub sonic fleet of 28 Harriers was able to fight against a fleet of Mach 2.0 able fighters with rather ease). And same goes of Israel - they played war games on how to defeat SAM sites with their F16's, and in the 1982 Lebanon invasion, what they did in war games worked in the real world. And same goes for the Gulf war -- once again, what they did and trained for in war games translated into real world results. So based on 50+ years of how fighters performed in war games and training exercises? Well, history shows that translated into real world results. And right now, F35s are racking up unprecedented kill rates in war games, and thus no reason I can see why those results will not translate into real world results, since that's what occurred in the past 50 years of war games. So, I see no real "valid" arguments or narratives that the F35 is "somehow" lacking "maturity" here translates into any real valid arguments against the F35. If anything, the F35 seen more fixes and upgrades then even what most 4th gen fighters have seen or experienced. So, while the F35 has received boatloads of bad press, most if not all of the F35's teething issues have been fixed, and thus the F35 has turned out with some years to mature into a rather amazing and viable platform.

[@szwrph]

Merci pour ce compte rendu.

[@wannabeuk]

I'd love to hear your thoughts on why Switzerland selected the F35 over the Raffale and are doggedly advancing with the purchase despite popular opposition.

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

That is the last part that sounds unusual for the Swiss. However, buying the F-35 is a political choice: you declare who you are aligned with. If you have Russian/Chinese/French/European aircraft, it is not necessarily so.

[@wannabeuk]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech Agreed. No coincidence that Finland selected F35 ahead of their application to join NATO. Switzerland's affiliations are more complicated though. Also the political push to purchase the equipment is very curious considering the level of opposition that has been mounting ahead of a planned second referendum on the subject. Many people feeling that Switzerland as a neutral country does not need an expensive mutirole fighter.

[@totolescargo]

The documents of the trials were leaked and shown the Rafale as the winner of the Swiss trials. But then, Biden went to Switzerland and suddently, they changed their mind to choose the F-35 which doesn't fulfill Switzerland's needs. So I guess that "political pressure" is the ... polite way to say it.

[@wannabeuk]

@@totolescargo What does a neutral country need with a multirole stealth fighter? Many Swiss people believe this purchase is a first step towards an eventual entry into NATO.

[@Frencho9]

Biden forced their hand. Extraterritoriality of USA law via the USD is a nuke-level threat bankers cannot ignore. But now, it's clear Swiss are no longer neutral. Their influence will erode over time as no one will trust them to be neutral anymore. I mean 99% of swiss airforce missions are air policing or interception but they picked the slowest and stealthiest bomber single engine that is intended for first/deep strike missions... yeah sounds about right🙄. Oh, and the swiss used to demand dual-engine planes for added safety due to the mountains and to lower the noise levels that bother villagers...

[@ahmedkamel3862]

What's your view on the Rafale vs F-15 (both latest most advanced) - Thanks

[@A_Name_]

Ok I am only halfway through this but is the fact there are not only more confirmed export orders for the f-35 but 4times as many as the total number of Rafael's built since it went into production....

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

So what?

[@A_Name_]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech well it just doesn't feel like a rival when the sales numbers are so one sided. I am not saying it's a bad plane it definitely isn't. Idk maybe it's just me but calling something that is selling 1/4 of the units as a rival seems odd.

[@Joe-King]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech "So what!" To quote you... "the Dassault Rafale is probably the only fighter selling like the F-35". Doh!

[@peter.a.langan5872]

That’s probably because the USA is buying so many. The 35,000 dollars reputed cost per flight must be daunting and off putting for smaller countries. The F35s real stealth capabilities have yet to be tested against a well equipped foe like Russia. I think their air defences would win that contest, but maybe not.

[@A_Name_]

@@peter.a.langan5872 I left out planes the US has on order. The flight cost is a giant burden for smaller militaries though I will give you that. I kinda doubt the Russian air defense would hold up, they haven't even been able to silence the Ukrainians air force, it has been very limited but they don't have stealth.

[@dennisleighton2812]

Thanks for an interesting and informative video on one of my favourite planes! The fact that Rafale has carrier capability of course give it huge traction (to certain potential customers only, of course), sets it above some competitors. It is also true that Rafale is attractive to foreign Air Forces as described in the video. Basically only countries having aircraft carriers would be interested in this attribute, and it's irrelevant to all the rest. However, to label it the only rival to not give up may be going one little step too far. I would have enjoyed some discussion about the other two European contenders as well, viz, JAS 39 Gripen and of course Eurofighter Typhoon. Could we hope for another video along those lines, especially as you seem to elevate Rafale above them by some margin. I would like to know more about why you think this. Thanks again, and hi to Otis!

[@yxgygv7883]

They're not as capable, and aren't updated like the Rafale is. That's why Germany AND the UK are buying F-35. It is also cheaper to operate than the Typhoon or F35. Also, the political side : They (Gripen and Typhoon) are dependant on the US approuval, and even Germany itself is currently blocking a sell to Turkey. Buying the Rafale is a way to avoid the American hold, with a plane nearly as advanced as the American jets

[@doogleticker5183]

And just how many countries have CATOBAR systems and are potential customers of Rafales due to their carrier capability?

[@yxgygv7883]

@@doogleticker5183 It can also take off from a conventional ramp

[@mattheginger]

I’m guessing the gripen can’t be sold to many of these customers, as it contains a lot of US technology, and the Swedes would probably object to arming many of those countries anyhow.

[@chefchaudard3580]

The Rafale is nor ITAR free, though, just using more indigenous technologies.

[@thierrymilan2039]

@@chefchaudard3580 Really ? So explain what is not french tech on a Rafale, except ejection seats ?

[@chefchaudard3580]

@@thierrymilan2039 the answer is not as straightforward is seems, despite what i thought at first. I could not find any information about that on the Internet. It may be the case some chips, like microcontrollers, are sourced in the USA. Maybe some composites. Nothing for sure, though.

[@thierrymilan2039]

@@chefchaudard3580 French military main programs (Nuke, fighters, MBT, artillery submarines, satellites, radars, sonars, radios...) are studied from the start to be independant from any foreign powers. Since General De Gaulle in the middle of the 60s.

[@stitch77100]

It's also because the Gripen is systematically worse rated than the Rafale in every competition, sometimes by a large margin. But it's still quite cheaper (for the A/B versions I mean. The Gripen NG is rather expensive iirc)

[@pascalolivier4458]

Rafale cannot be shut down remotely by France. F35 can be grounded remotely by the US through software. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

It is a suspect that many reliable analysts have

[@Skankhunt-mv4vd]

"it smokes the F35 in every area" I don't know what you exactly mean by that. Sure the Rafale is probably more maneuverable and has a slightly higher thrust to weight ratio along with perhaps higher range (which is true of really all 4th generation aircraft), but other than that I don't think one could argue that the f35 falls behind the rafale in terms of electronics. Even yet, the advantages that I did mention are in no way decisive. The advantage of stealth however is very important. Could you be more specific about what exactly you mean when you said the "rafale smokes the f35 in every area).

[@Aaron-wq3jz]

It probably “smokes” the 35 clean with no stores

[@Skankhunt-mv4vd]

@@Aaron-wq3jz I mean even in such an unrealistic set up there would only be a maneuverability/potential range advantage. Don't know how that would constitute "smoking" the f35. Seems very sus.

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

Did you watch beyond that point? What I mean is that in terms of performance is clearly superior to the F-35 , then a number of other considerations follow.

[@Skankhunt-mv4vd]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech I watched the entire video. are you talking about kinematic performance or performance as a whole? obviously there are other considerations like politics or cost, but I feel as though you are implying that the rafael is an over all superior mutli role fighter.

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

@@Skankhunt-mv4vd I am talking about kinematics, I thought it was clear.