10 Dark Doctor Who Moments You WEREN'T Allowed To See

Those times when Doctor Who very nearly went TOO far.
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[@darrenrichardson6146]

Love the fact Ellie's still doing the Mavity gag 😅

[@judithstrachan9399]

I thought I heard that!

[@Kritigri]

Mavity gag? What, was she calling it by some other word or something weird, like shavity or gravity? Must have missed that

[@bobjordan69]

Yeah…nice gag

[@50shadesofgeek41]

"Just this once, EVERYBODY LIVES!" He said as another thousand people died in the war...

[@Cally.Summer]

There's also the (temporary) beheading of the Sheriff of Nottingham in Robot of Sherwood which was a last-minute edit for reasons of taste due to events in the news.

[@shinycaterpie4443]

Events in the news?

[@brochclark-egbokhan]

​@shinycaterpie4443 It was due to come out right after the isis beheading happened, so they changed it to be respectful

[@rattlestormrepublic4874]

It's a robot!

[@tardistrailers]

A further example of episodes being edited to to terrorism, was a removed part of dialog in The Pyramid at the End of the World, which iirc was only briefly available in the Amazon version of the episode. Another cut scene we only know about due to the Series 8 leaked screeners, was Rusty self destructing at the end of Into the Dalek.

[@LisaBeta-42]

@@rattlestormrepublic4874 not anymore baby!

[@crugethstallions9230]

I would argue that that's not even the most disturbing thing to be cut from the TV Movie...that award goes to Sylv's US medical bills 😂

[@DavidBeddard]

Not sure what I'm missing, but I've never thought the Flood zombies in "The Waters of Mars" were any different on screen to their original concept art. Everyone says they were toned down for telly, but I don't see it. 🤷‍♂️

[@geraintwilliams531]

I think the "censored" version of the TV movie is better and less disturbing than the full edition. And it wasn't the bullets that killed to 7th Dr, it was the medication.

[@VJacquette]

So, the Tractators are just an early version of the Madame du Pompadour spaceship in The Girl in the Fireplace?

[@SingularityOrbit]

The recent change to Davros bothered me a bit early on, but doesn't now that I know about the unfilmed scenes mentioned in the video. The core issue with standing-up Davros is that it was implied in the old story that he recovered his wrecked body into the life support/mobility chair, _then_ experimented to find out what the Kaleds were mutating into, _then_ adapted his existing mobility device into the foundation for the Dalek shells. These new scenes establish that he'd been examining Kaled mutations far earlier than "Genesis of the Daleks" explained, and might very well have developed his chair from existing Dalek shell prototypes. The Doctor's (and other Time Lords') intrusions into the timeline changed Davros' life. It's just that he was always an evil little psychopath in his scientific career. Too bad we didn't actually get to see these scenes. From what we saw in "Desination: Skaro" it just seemed to be a retcon without a reason, precisely because it didn't explain its contradiction of "Genesis of the Daleks." Turns out they had an explanation, but it was cut for budgetary reasons.

[@UranusMcVitieFish-yd7oq]

All well and good but it doesn't change RTDs obnoxious reasoning behind making the change.

[@solitaryrambler]

One moment I would have included in this is the scene in part 3 of "The Ark in Space" where Noah is transforming into a Wirrn and asks Vira to kill him, which was cut before transmission.

[@inanimatecarbongod]

The spider in Deadly Assassin part 3 crawling up Tom Baker's arm and across his face. Mercifully never filmed.

[@Lewagreenwoodacting]

I love this content! Keep it up !!

[@Manganra7]

The water zombies terrified me just seeing them in itty bitty form on my phone. I sometimes watch that episode when I’m in the mood to be scared. You’re telling me they were supposed to be MORE terrifying? 😱

[@joshpetzoldt6344]

6:59 Funny to hear Noor Inayat Khan get a mention, as a new building that is part of some social housing in my area has been named after her.

[@jeffwalker7185]

I don't think RTD will show Davros' journey that led him to be confined to a Dalek base unit. I think he prefers the idea of Davros as a able bodied villain as Doctor Who has moved on from having a disabled villain.

[@hollymatton474]

This is really interesting! I think overall doctor who treads the line of what's suitable for viewing quite well. I must admit I've never been able to rewatch The Waters of Mars! 😂 I think one other scene I've always been slightly wary of is the part in The Doctor's Wife where the entity house takes control of the tardis and shows amy an older version of rory who tells her she left him alone and that he hates her, then when she goes through another door house makes her think rory's died. Admittedly these scenes are very powerful and add to the episode, but I do find them difficult to rewatch. But maybe that's just me. Thanks Ellie and Who Culture! 😊😊

[@AntLyme]

Wonder when will Ellie get bored of saying Mavity🤔

[@WhoCulture]

It's mavity now, no going back!

[@AntLyme]

@@WhoCulture i mean what else would you say right?

[@SingularityOrbit]

I just want to know how, in the altered timeline, Sir Isaac Newton managed to convince the entire world, speaking so many different languages, to completely forget the ancient Latin word _gravis,_ for "heavy," and instead trade it out for a new word that only existed in Newton's own writings in English. The Doctor's accident was millennia too late to have the effect it's had in his universe. I can only assume that Davies didn't bother to think back further than Modern period British history.

[@judithstrachan9399]

I commented on the original story that both words, gravitas & gravity, had already been in use for hundred(s?) of years by Newton’s time. I don’t think Russell cares.

[@shriekingskeleton]

​@@SingularityOrbit You must be really fun at parties

[@joefreeman3087]

Cut to the 80s when a guys face literally melts off 😂

[@JoeSiegler]

Surprised Ellie didn't put that scene from a trailer with a topless River song that was then cut out of the episode in question. :) Or the scenes from Robot of Sherwood that were deemed too much around the time that ISIS was actually beheading actual human beings.

[@matriculus2]

I seem to remember hearing that way back when filming the very first story, The Unearthly Child, Warris Hussain went all out showing the aftermath of a caveman being beaten to death with a rock before it was pointed out this new show was aimed at kids and this shot edited out.

[@MX.Unicorn1999]

The stretchy people episode with the 14th doctor was a hard watch for me like wtf

[@GrahamPointer1972]

"Frontios" wasn't Saturday tea-time. The programme was weekeday evenings, about 7pm.

[@cameronmonaghan6883]

The historical figures in Chibnall's run listed needed their own episodes. They felt tacked on after the fact in episodes already juggling a lot. It wasn't a good idea when dealing with people alot of the audience probably wouldn't know about. The only character I learned about at school was Mary Seacole.

[@TheVicarstownSentinel]

Cool as seeing Davros' accident on screen would be, I'm glad we got it instead in the form of the I, Davros audios by Big Finish. That said I still feel that RTD is trying to fix a non-issue w his current Davros; the man was already evil before he was disabled. But I have a theory. 14's comment about the timelines and canon rupturing could be true after all. Neo Davros could be from a timeline in which Davros heeded his cohorts' radio earnings about the oncoming missile and escaped his lab before the impact. A timeline split in which an intact Davros continues his work on the Daleks.

[@joshuacurphey3242]

I have quite an alternative option; speaking of Big Finish, one of their other stories with Davros was Terror Firma (released 2005, just a year before I, Davros was) where he essentially turned Earth into a Dalek breeding farm. The Doctor also found that Davros had created a clone of his body to escape the confinements of his chair as he said it. I think that Davies might pinch that idea if he wants Davros back, but I don't think that's a good idea as it's been pointed out that not making him disabled is ableist. I've heard people think that Davros is a good representation of a disability as he has not let his limits get the better of him. He has even become one of the Doctor's biggest enemies.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

Yet he's happy to have mobility aids have weapons of death and violence employed and have a character who is playing a 13 year old shooting away - that's fine and dandy but Davros is a big Hell No?? Also RTD banging on about racism etc etc yet the the finale the two people to die first were both non Caucasian - ahhh yes the age old trope still alive and well 😂

[@jameskeeling5278]

Could you make a "Top 10 OK episodes" list? The ones that are just "Alright"

[@judithstrachan9399]

I think there would be too many, or the choice too subjective.

[@katrose5179]

How would you do that? There’s a lot more than 10 of those. How are ten the most “just okay”?

[@LisaBeta-42]

@@katrose5179 The best to watch with younger children to turn them into fans, without disturbing them too much. Are there any episodes WITHOUT horror-elements or people being killed in gruesome ways?

[@judithstrachan9399]

@@LisaBeta-42 good idea. Although kids are (used to be?) a lot tougher / more bloodthirsty than we adults give them credit for

[@BlakeGamer-qy6ve]

The original designs for the flood is TERRIFYING, like at 9:12 the paper on the right is absolutely nightmare fuel, just a black void for a mouth. I fear no man, but that thing.... It scares me.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

NuWho is so sanitised compared to Classic Who - Kane's death in Dragonfire wouldn't happen in NuWho or they would change it to something crap 😂

[@marionbaggins]

That death was a rip of the end of Radiers of the Lost Ark. His Face Melted, like the Nazis.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

​​​​@@marionbagginsand? Your point is? 😂 And NuWho has never took inspiration from other shows? Oh I saw a clear rip off Event Horizon in NuWho. Plus Kane was from an ice world so of course he was going to melt 😂

[@lawrence-1]

Imagine everyone had stayed dead in Empire of Death and season 2 was all about getting them back

[@andygozzo72]

or in the christmas special....

[@Electromatlc]

@@andygozzo72 that would have been way bettter

[@Electromatlc]

not saying i dont like empire of death but still

[@kevinwilkinson5415]

Thats pretty much the plot of infinity war/endgame

[@Coasterlocity]

So...Avengers Endgame

[@RaggedyDoctor11]

ONE OF RORY’S DEATHS SHOULD HAVE BEEN CUT, POOR RORY

[@bazzer124]

It was a trend or something for US editing to take a completely different turn from the UK originals. Decades ago in the 60s, US Beatles albums were different from the UK versions. In that case, Capital Records was just out out to get as much money out of the band's fame as they possibly could. Leave well enough alone should be the order of the day. Cheers....

[@Cyklopz007]

So glad i discovered this channel and got back into Dr. Who!

[@JayStrang1]

Russell has such strange and random ideas about what constitutes "too much."

[@aw_1890]

Yes… some of these ideas sound pretty good. I like the darker serous tones and sometimes I wish doctor who wasn’t aimed for kids so we could get those darker serious tones.

[@MinimalistTheatre333]

I never understood the 'behind the sofa' part when I was young, because our sofa was pushed against the wall.

[@robo3007]

You forgot to mention the original design for the Reapers in the episode Fathers Day. They were originally supposed to look like the Grim Reaper (hence the name) and were hinted to be where the legend of the Grim Reaper originated from.

[@brianartillery]

Mr Oak and Mr Quill. They never say a single word. No make up effects or anything, just a silent, sinister presence. And they can gas you, too. I think that they were just husks, inhabited by fragments of the weed creature. They were, and I saw the story when first broadcast, bloody terrifying. Just two ordinary blokes. But as creepy as fuck.

[@gagglegames]

7:49 heh

[@gusteg83]

To jumpy pictures. Difficult to understand what is part of the missing scen - or just me?

[@andyf4292]

i wish rtd would get another job

[@aw_1890]

I sort of understand why you think this… some of the new seasons best work wasn’t even written by him :/

[@JavierTroya]

Ah! The mavity... I heard ya

[@brookead]

May be misremembering my youth but I’m pretty sure Frontios was aired when Dr Who was Tuesday and Thursday evening telly. Not Saturday evening telly. :)

[@Sunprism]

"Everybody lives!" Dawg, You're doing a WW2

[@SithLordAnakin]

Hilarious for cut footage can survive but not the stuff that was "junked"

[@BritishBeachcomber]

I just love Gridlock. One of the most fun episodes. The ending was so disappointing. But, still, lots of love for it.

[@DittoGTI]

Yeah Moffats stupid amount of resurrections that slightly ruin the episodes. Its annoying

[@marionbaggins]

RTD story arcs are repeated over and over and has similar storylines. And the Dr and Companion have a similar relationship.

[@johna5635]

Was Chibnall just talking about that character in "It Takes You Away" or about his tenure as Show Runner?

[@SchrijverMarcel]

Yes

[@robsquared2]

Could mrs flood be part of the flood? Water is patient, and water always wins.

[@Saint_Dan132]

💙💙💙💙

[@alexfletcher5192]

'Noah' in 'The Ark in Space' - that was something cut before it even went out.

[@kingdonut6675]

I didn’t know that the macra were reused from classic Who.

[@andreacook7431]

When I was young, it was during "The Wilderness Years". One of the few stories I had was a two cassette tape version of "The Macra Terror". I listened to that A LOT. My alarm on my phone is still The Controller yelling "Macra do not exist! There are no Macra!" at top volume. 😂 🦀🦀🦀

[@Mark-nh2hs]

Sadly they were re used but were NuWho and were utter crap. Nothing like the original story.

[@ImmortalAbsol]

Gimmie extended & uncensored editions please 🥺

[@OwaissaAltheaDickey]

I remember some shows/movies of the mid 1970s-early 1980s being referred to as " being like a Dr Who set"...meaning most/all sub- characters were killed off😂😂). This happened Alot from Drs 3-7(esp during Tom Baker's era... example being "Horror of Fang Rock"😂😂)💕💕💕💕👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@jellybabiesarecool4657]

The best one is the idea of the Doctor having made Rose himself

[@simoneritchie9203]

The Waters of Mars scared me so much. I’m 19 and I still get uneasy when I see them

[@ciennathedreemurr]

To this day the similarities between The Flood in the Waters of Mars and The Flood from Halo always strikes me as insanely wild. Both are parasitic organisms that can infect a host with a single spec of their being, and both have insanely fast transformation times and grant their hosts unnatural strength, stamina and resilience, as well as mutating the host into zombie-like beings with deformed bodies. The Flood in both Doctor Who and Halo are terrifying foes. I do wonder if now we might see them potentially return in RTD2, and if they do, if they might have that scarier design they initially had.

[@nataliebateman1151]

I remember when my sister told me about the Waters of Mars, I thought she was bsing me because it sounded way too scary and just out of there. Then I saw it for myself and I was like "Oh damn."

[@davecrawley4634]

“It just didn’t work” admitted Chris Chibnall, about all of the things he did.

[@UranusMcVitieFish-yd7oq]

And then the RTD 2.0 era happened. RIP Doctor Who.

[@pizzaro11s57]

You're going to start saying mavity in normal day conversation very soon

[@doctor_sixty]

who doesn't?

[@darrenrichardson6146]

It's a legit word in my phone's spellchecker I found out today 😂

[@marionbaggins]

​@@darrenrichardson6146Maybe yours not everyone else. Mine isn't.

[@OliverSmithson-ir9fi]

4th

[@the-scamp]

Crap comment

[@user-uq2oy5ru5q]

I live in Australia 🇦🇺 and they cut a lot out of the stories which was sad 😢

[@marionbaggins]

They didn't show us the Daleks Master Plan.

[@abpelago9047]

nearly first

[@beardedmotu2007]

It sounds so Posh … 💭💡Dr.Who vs Xenomorphs 🥚 🤗

[@DanBrizuela]

Why even film or even write in what happened to noor?

[@w33shy26]

1 MINUTE EARLY, new record for me, LESSS GOO

[@Loglea]

Hi

[@dizzydill4287]

I live in america and my parents didn't know about the "scary" episodes so I was fully traumatized by the gas masks

[@the-scamp]

Clara drives me crazy

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

Just amother reason to hate that crappy TV movie (damn you, Fox)...

[@the-scamp]

Faint's

[@AvoidRBLX]

First again 11 seconds

[@SlyerFox666]

I bet it's not just in the you tube comments either 😂

[@hazmat7949]

Real guys comment second

[@Am-uh8mz]

11 mins for me

[@59James]

Well I'm in United States. I cannot watch Doctor Who anymore. Since it went over to iPlayer and Disney Plus. I'm not going to pay a high cable bill plus a premium channel bill on top of that each month. Until doctor who comes back to the United States and plays for free like it was before.

[@Popcultureguy3000]

Free? BBC America is an extended cable channel. That’s not free at all.

[@BritishBeachcomber]

A good reason to move to the UK. Or just get a VPN and watch it for free.

[@59James]

@@BritishBeachcomber sorry but I don't get VPN on my TV apps

[@59James]

@@Popcultureguy3000 I had to cancel my cable TV due to the price went over $100.

[@scrunkore]

pirate it, nobody will ever know

[@MauseDays]

the doctor just geting straight merced is saddly the most realistic one. Whats that thing randomly appearing in the hood. Who cares we cast gunn

[@the-scamp]

Why does the girl presenting say "The MaRSter"?

[@DrWhoFanJ]

Because that’s how the word is pronounced in a London ("RP") accent. (And she’s a woman, not a girl.)

[@darrenrichardson6146]

That's how it's pronounced in the Queens/King's English not however the uncultured USA colonials pronounce it 🤣

[@terrier_productions]

Her name is Ellie and she speaks proper english not the un-needed American English

[@judithstrachan9399]

There you go, I thought she said it “Mahster”. I don’t remember hearing an R.

[@srothbardt]

“People” meaning children

[@TheeRyanBrice]

I always look forward to seeing how the show pushes the boat out with testing the content shown. I want to see an all out bloody war, or at least an edit of one suitable for this "new" audience. We call them, "the snowflake audience"

[@deantaylor8572]

Sadly, poor quality writing and completely unnecessary and divisive identity politics drain the fun from our fave sci-fi show. RTD needs to GO.

[@DrWhoFanJ]

Said no-one with a brain ever.

[@DefThlow]

shut up and crawl back into your hole

[@marionbaggins]

​@@DrWhoFanJChris did in a Comic Con and he got did Dirty by RTD.

[@DrWhoFanJ]

@@marionbaggins No, he didn’t. On either count.

[@marionbaggins]

@@DrWhoFanJ Chris did say, "Sack RTD!" In a Comic Con resently. And many people said that. I find everything mostly about RTD's time is Overrated!!!

[@ElizabethMidfordHatesCops]

4:35 *TV MOVIE MENTION!!!!!* 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@AndresNArce]

...the pity being that with Disney on the helm the dark and evil storytelling of DOCTOR WHO is over. There still are more than fifty years of good, classic television around (nonetheless). 🌈👽🦸‍♀✡🚘🚔🪫🪗🎼🔋🤖🇮🇱! 🇺🇦!!!!!!!!

[@DrWhoFanJ]

None of which is even remotely truthful.

[@AndresNArce]

@@DrWhoFanJ good for you. different people = different tastes

[@DrWhoFanJ]

@@AndresNArce Missing the point entirely. Facts are not subjective.