The Biggest Cheater in Gaming History? (1700+ Scores w/ no Evidence)

Fraud Rogers
Dragster:
TG Leaderboard: www.twingalaxies.com/dragster/...
TAS: • [TAS] [Obsoleted] A260...
Omnigamer's Spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Ben Heck's Testing: • Atari Dragster World R...
Twin Galaxies:
Wolff Morrow's Experience: nintendoage.com/forum/messagev...
Ron Corcoran Inmate Records: corrections.az.gov/public-res...
Todd's Post About Ron's Tapes: www.twingalaxies.com/showthrea...
Barnsotrming:
Jeffy's Thread: atariage.com/forums/topic/1098...
TAS: • [TAS] [Obsoleted] A260...
Wolff's Message to Todd and Todd's Response: / 10151600927550936:0
Suspect Scores:
The Legendary Axe: www.twingalaxies.com/the-legen...
Wabbit: www.twingalaxies.com/wabbit/at...
Centipede: www.twingalaxies.com/centipede...
Cosmic Ark: www.twingalaxies.com/cosmic-ar...
Donkey Kong Junior: www.twingalaxies.com/donkey-ko...
Dragster: www.twingalaxies.com/dragster/...
Galaga: www.twingalaxies.com/galaga/ni...
Man vs Computer The Dragster Debate: • Man vs Computer: The D...
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[@michaelmartin9022]

"Hey I scored 630,850 on this game" "Oh yeah? I scored, er, 20 million" That's the one-upmanship tactic of a 7 year old, not a serious competitor.

[@BaconSenpai]

The centipede one is the funniest. I scored 58,000! Oh yeah well i got 65 million so there

[@oa9164]

Hmm

[@jackcristo1628]

"Oh yeah? Well I scored 20 million times with your mom. OHHHHHHHHHHH"

[@StriKe_jk]

@@BaconSenpai Honestly I think he wanted to type in 65.000 but screwed it up any typed in 65.000.000 points but he couldn't fix it without admitting that he typed in his own record which he ofc never achieved ^^

[@TyeTaylor]

@@StriKe_jk I'd believe that if all his other scores weren't so astronomically higher than everyone else's

[@daveberkley1573]

This guy could cook minute rice in 15 seconds.

[@peppermorrison]

@Tucsoncoyote 2019 he just stuffed the microwave meal in his armpit to warm it through. Then claimed he had actually absorbed it through his pit and it was definitely cooked and no you cant look

[@wolvessnature1286]

oh no. not a supporter.

[@maidsinc.7577]

He had a kid in 9 minutes

[@somerandomguy1470]

*H U M A N E L E M E N T*

[@help1926]

@@wolvessnature1286 he isn't a supporter, hes making a joke (obviously, you one star)

[@palemacaroon4836]

I got 1.24 seconds on dragster. My mom saw me so give me a world record

[@Hologram-sh5qm]

PaleMacaroon483 I got a 0.28 once...

[@zippofeldman1734]

Hologram1029 i beat your record yesterday with a 0.27

[@earltan7067]

@@zippofeldman1734 I didn't play the game so 0 seconds

[@aerospherology2001]

Verification Method: Mother

[@Hologram-sh5qm]

Thegiantemerald SheeeeT

[@wrathofbabushka8475]

So the game kills you at 1,300 and his score was over 1,600 and no one caught on? wow

[@shady8045]

WrathofBabushka he might have said that there was a glitch that allowed you to pass that

[@shady8045]

Vinnie Provolone lol

[@Pyrple]

Nah he’s just such an Alpha he did it

[@jessstjames3301]

@@shady8045 Eh not the point though. Any legitimate website would not accept "glitch" as an excuse without at least having video proof of said glitch AND a verifiable method of reproducing said glitch.

[@shady8045]

@@jessstjames3301 they did that for the dragster score though, they just bought him saying that there was a glitch that allowed him to get his racer to go into second gear at the start of the race. i don't see why them buying that is out of the realm of possibility. also twin galaxies is hardly a legitimate website and the proof is above. also also i'm surprised i got a new reply since i thought this was a dead trend.

[@boingboingboingboing]

"alright todd 2nd place is around 60 thousand. if you're gonna fake a score let's try and come up with a believable number around that area." "65 million it is."

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

"that's way too high" "nah it's fine, 65,000,000" "why an exact number like that" "nah nah mate it's fine it's fine don't worry mate"

[@Oscaro300]

Did you mistype billions?

[@mexdude2]

There was a very large coffee stain covering that score

[@Juniper_Rose]

"Todd make it smaller and more believable." "Alright alright, 25,450,290" "...Todd it only goe up by 100 points."

[@camerongodsey9847]

>game only counts in increments of 50 “99,999,990 it is!”

[@Ratmania7777]

The L in Todd Rogers is for Legitimate

[@patstaysuckafreeboss8006]

You can't spell "fuckhead" without Todd Rogers in it

[@moshunit96]

Hehehe

[@shaynehughes6645]

No, like, it's an R as in "Regitimate", my best friend says so, man.

[@FooeyMcgooey]

@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 you sumbish you made me chuckle

[@_Hal9000]

Best +1

[@GTB-yu2be]

First place 1,650,000 Second place 58,000 Really? And it took 20+ years to question it?😆.

[@protectdavidchasetaylor2144]

GTB7979 earlier in the video it’s implied Todd had thousands of records on TG which is probably why no outsider noticed.

[@SodiumOverdose]

Protect David Chase Taylor that makes more sense lol

[@dimitriwarchief301]

Yes

[@FooeyMcgooey]

@@Mis4nthropist that part

[@bucketslash11]

it's easy to keep them up with internal corruption

[@DarthVader-pl5ts]

I got a 0.01 in dragster there was a moth in the room that saw all of it

[@ryantewson7038]

Well I got -0.01

[@Someone-gy2rd]

I got 5.99 I had 60 people in a room as evidence.

[@TheSkypetube]

I started on light speed gear and since time is relative I am ten decades faster then anyone

[@Someone-gy2rd]

I went on infinite speed gear and the universe reset so i am an eternity ahead of everyone.

[@TheSkypetube]

@@Someone-gy2rd But as it turns out after your universe reset my soul transferred into your body and now I am the record holder

[@fabulous55641]

Guinness World Records stripped away all of Rogers' “records“ on January 30th this year. YES.

[@Xeo_Aligarde]

Kinda felt happy when I knew that.

[@mistergeopolitics4456]

Twin Galaxies also wiped all of his records and banned him, hopefully for life.

[@arsoz1]

@@mistergeopolitics4456 don't worry he has another acc can't tell you the name though

[@blanktime]

@@arsoz1 lies.

[@theshadowking9626]

@@blanktime he is telling the truth he does have a separate account but we can't technically prove that it is him

[@SirSicCrusader]

All of his records are like "oh yeah well i got ninety bazillion as a top score!"

[@libbyfrato-sweeney6325]

lol yeah I know right

[@SirSicCrusader]

Its bizarre to thinks he is (allegedly) a grown man.

[@randomsomeone1617]

I got 91 bazillion bro! 😎🤘

[@trequor]

Anton Antonovich more like "i got ten times that... +1" His records arent even remotely believable

[@G3RM3X617]

he didnt know about TAS bots in the future or data miners that could prove the fastest possible times and times that aren't even humanly that are frame precise but possible at best

[@mistaisnotamused3285]

"Great, I found the guy that verified the runs, *but* he's in prison for repeatedly raping a little girl." That escalated way too quickly.

[@no-ge5mu]

Omg

[@jasonvernish7366]

4th comment including the original

[@Azrielfiend]

there’s 4 comments, here i fixed it for you

[@temmieeee6913]

queue dora pedo scene

[@KaiSaeren]

Right? I was like wtf, you can never escape how disgusting this world can be... I hope that guy rots and that the girl is ok now, jesus.

[@koteshima6682]

He got 15 million on a game where even the best can only get roughly ONE MILLION. WTF

[@zsin128]

128 likes. perfect

[@crosssaberstudios2090]

That’s because he didn’t

[@geninius5067]

Because he used 2nd gear

[@inactive1925]

xdddd

[@ThatGooGuy]

It's because he isn't the best... He is THE LEGEND

[@joem1068]

All of his records were deleted and he is banned from the leaderboards going forward. I think you contributed a lot to spreading the word about this :)

[@pawkisser]

He also got his Guinness award stripped away too

[@purpleslimevsgaming1648]

Joe Mueller I think he should be banned from the leaderboards on all games just so he can't try to pull this shit anywhere else

[@theindiediary5950]

+ Purpleslimevsgaming 1 Well his name is tarnered now. So doesn't matter where he goes. People will know. You can tell just looking at this guy that he is a compulsive liar.

[@brosephproseph1741]

The Indie Diary looks can be deceiving, don't judge a book by its cover

[@theindiediary5950]

Joseph Jang No. He was a complete liar.

[@20035079]

you have to have a special kind of power by making me interested in something i'm not interested in

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

video lol

[@greatbrandini3967]

This comment perfectly describes how I feel about this video lmao

[@videokilledtheradiostar5008]

Lol. I'm the same way. How the hell did I even end up watching this dude's channel about fraud game high scores?

[@EarlFaulk]

Padawan if you only knew the power of the dark side

[@jamessteven711]

Great Brandini same!

[@dfurball]

Just watched this video in January 2019. Googled Todd Rogers and I see Washington Post made an article about him being a fraud and Twin Galaxies banning him. The article was written January 29, 2018. Your video as posted Jan 23, 2018. It only took 6 days for this video to change the world. Amazing work Apollo - you truly are a Legend.

[@caffeecup5319]

"Reality can be whatever I want it to be" -Todd Rogers

[@ninjasolidsnake]

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"

[@TheBonkleFox]

Todd has king crimson and just beat the game in the 10 second span he skipped.

[@Shaun-tz6qe]

Biggest cheater in video game history...? Guess he is a record holder after all.

[@axisaligned9799]

Duz111 bruuhhhh

[@no_imdirty_dan2329]

Duz111 lol

[@AdrianDX]

@Username - That's meta right there

[@pliskin100]

Le reddit armie reporting in!!! Reboasting bot bomment 4 teh lulzzz!! xD

[@-Gax-]

quadro dcc Eh maybe, still more entertaining than KZbin, more informative than Facebook, more nipple than Instagram and better quotes than Twitter so there is that....

[@itchydez]

Great video, Apollo! The score comparison part cracked me up! Millions and *millions* of points ahead of professionals?! Get out! Imagine applying this to real world situations; "I just ran 2 miles in 22 minutes" "Oh yeah? I did it in 13 seconds and no one saw me actually do it" IT'S TIME TO STOP!

[@NeoFryBoy]

"Here's your Olympic Gold. No need for evidence."

[@itchydez]

NeoFryBoy - Alternate response "Well my friend did see me do it but you'll just have to believe him...oh yeah, and ignore the fact he's a convicted criminal"

[@stevedoidoultimate4815]

Sounds like the Wright Brothers. Dumont: I created the airplane, and there's video proof alongside many witnesses. Wright: Oh, yeah? We created one years before you! Dumont: Really? Great! Can I see it? Wright: ...No.

[@matheusvasiliauskassoares4361]

SteveDoidoUltimate I loved the analogy

[@itchydez]

SteveDoidoUltimate - The last two line of dialog reminded me of steamed hams...

[@bodenlosedosenhose1590]

When Todd dies, he'll claim he lived to be 900 years old 'cause nobody told him that number isn't possible.

[@billybobjoe198]

Have you read the bible? I'm starting to think Todd wrote Genesis. Everyone in that was living to 150+ and having children around 100.

[@jasongann8535]

Bodenlose Dosenhose where you there to see him live?

[@ZanathKariashi]

he'd need to be a few thousand...I don't think Todd would tolerate being 2nd to Methuselah.

[@VGPorage]

He did it by celebrating his birthday multible times a year

[@beyblader5099]

Actually, his spirit would use Photoshop to make his age look like that on his grave.

[@1Tako1]

Todd just makes up some high ass random number. "I got 389,000 points!" "Well, I got... 15 million! It's official, I'm the best".

[@MidnightWanderer00]

He sounds like the kid you talk to in lunch or something that talks about how his father is some celebrity or something just to impress you.

[@exantiuse497]

15 million in two different games where nobody ever got even clise to that...

[@jelluh24]

"The score only increases in 50 points increments" *99,999,990 points* lmao. This alone should be enough to at least get him suspended for a while.

[@canadianstickdeath]

That one could make sense as a maximum score hard-coded to 9,999,999 internally with a 0 concatenated to the end since the lowest digit never changes. (I mean it should be pretty easy to test if there's actually behaviour like that, but I don't know if anybody has. Not that I would believe he got the score regardless...)

[@VisionThing]

canadianstickdeath It’s been tested, it is capped to 99,999,999 points.

[@insertjokeh3r3]

I put 99,999,990 in a calculator and devided it to find out how many times you would need to score 5 points to get a number that high. You would need to get five points 19,999,998 times. How long would that even take?

[@TheRacoonRanger]

there are about 15.8 million seconds in a full 6 month time frame. So with literally zero sleep and getting 5 points every single second, you still wouldn't reach the recorded amount. So ever so slightly suspect on that being an actual record.

[@NeoFryBoy]

It's 50, not 5. So, ~23 days straight at 1 kill per second.

[@SparksNZeros]

what i always find so bizarre about cheaters and liers is how they never do the research to find out whats the most plausible best time, they just pull a number from their butt and run with it.

[@trequor]

Sparks N Zeros Well i guess it makes sense in a way. Cheaters cheat to make things easier on themselves, cheating properly is usually almost as much work as just beating the record

[@NetAndyCz]

That is not exactly true, some cheaters do the research but the thing is they are not caught that often or at all if they leave no record of them actually cheating and it is impossible to prove they cheated.

[@NetAndyCz]

Well, if I was so good I could play some game indefinitely I would probably decide to end at some nice round number...

[@sangan3202]

Sparks N Zeros there will alaways be people stupid enogh to believe them

[@arich7072]

Sparks N Zeros ya or that he did this blatant cheating tons of times and somehow thinks he can talk his way out... o wait he totally did that XD

[@krabby3298]

This comment goes out to all the people who tried to beat fake records for years. Fakers are no real gamers.

[@wolvessnature1286]

if they play games they count as gamers. fakers are not speedrunners.

[@armoredmilkman3288]

thanks mr krabs

[@kael070]

What about the League player Faker? okay that was a bad joke. im sorry

[@joshdyeify]

Honestly, it's pretty impressive that there's so many people able to achieve a perfect score in dragster. Todd isn't one obviously, but the other 4 were 5.57 with evidence.

[@yodagaming1007]

I have dedicated six to eight hours a day, every day, since 1982 to playing and training for the Barnstorm world record. Now this video is telling me it was impossible to obtain :(

[@Nordryd]

It was ONE time. ONE TIME... that I cheated. He flat out admitted it, and then immediately attempted to justify it. Priceless. But it was only one time!

[@kummakummakummakummakummac8606]

I cheated once but the other 1699 times were legitimate. I promise.

[@aqwkingchampion13]

I mean, everyone's cheated once in their life I'm sure, most just never tried to officiate the cheat themselves, and cheated more for fun that fame/fortune/whatever.

[@cedrick25]

I cheated in Vice City just to get to the other island, and get a tank lol

[@Warhawk-kf9mx]

Nordryd I cheated one time, sure, but that score in Barnstorm? It was an honest mistake, I just spilt coffee on my friend and had my pedophile friend adjust the score, no big deal.

[@akumabazooka9169]

Anthony Arnold The only cheat I'm admitting to is being a kind modder, got banned on dark souls 2 coz some douche thought me giving weapons away was bad. Special kind of €unt, I beat a game before I mod (back when you could, only pc can now since modio shut down) Then I play with modded saves, for my own personal single player fun. I don't hurt anyone. Hell before modio I was one of the highest on the Dead Rising 1 Prestige Point leaderboards. Modio released, I came back and the entire leaderboards were 2,713,456,365PP which would take a decade to accomplish half of that legitamately. But when it comes to fair game speed runs etc and PvP I play fair. Coz I'm not a €unt. I don't attempt speedruns, only 2 games I have tried was Devil May Cry 1 and Resident Evil 4. DMC was meh. I gave up on RE4

[@kingskylord6099]

Seems like both Activision and Mr. Activision are scumbags.

[@Sephiroth-tn9ff]

Yep.

[@Pogohg]

Seems about right.

[@3Guys1Video]

:/

[@guy8528]

Hacktivision :D

[@bonni1019]

KingSkyLord / KSL Activision from Atari to the last gh game were good

[@NeverlandSystemZor]

A better question- WHY does anyone trust TwinGalaxies anymore?! They are KNOWN to be friends with frauds…

[@rustywwibayonet4313]

Jimmy Hollywood wtf are you talking about, why would TwinGalaxies being corrupt even begin to mean that nobody trusts speedrun times anymore, it's not like they are the only database of speedrunning times, or even close to the largest.

[@GigawingsVideo]

@Midnight Owl Legit speedruns are now recorded on video. So people still trust speedrun, but not from unrecorded attempt from TG

[@reagandow850]

Matthew Bartlett - that’s a very good question.

[@Therworldtube]

@@GigawingsVideo More specifically, they should be done in livestreams (like the one in mario 100+ attempt)

[@lnefty]

@@yourefatandlazy I hope this is a joke.

[@justmegawatt]

First place record from a game in the 1980s: 10 million Second place score after more than 30 years of people playing: 15,000 Seems legit

[@TeamMayhue]

I got on Ron’s visitation list and they let me bring in 2 Ataris when I went to visit him in prison. I scored a .0001 sec run on Dragster while he beat Pitfall before even turning the system on. I can verify this.

[@shutired]

Could I see? :o

[@roryh2241]

Dragon Min sorry, the police lost the tapes but I swear they exist

[@shutired]

@Rory H, oh ok don’t apologize though ^_^

[@roryh2241]

Dragon Min thanks for replying even tho my comment was 2 months later :)

[@shutired]

@Rory H, no problem even though you don’t need to thank me :D

[@lekaiev]

This guy is like some kids in school "You got 3000? Yeah, but I got...I got...I got 3 trillions of millions of points!"

[@bald_engineer]

Kaiev plus infinity

[@kyrex1785]

Oh shit you just completly destroyed him. But i got 2x infinity. What are you going to do now?

[@Zalibidas]

INFINITYxINFINITY POINTS!

[@kyrex1785]

Zalibidas always one more than you!

[@Zalibidas]

KyrexGames Nu uh! You can't do that because I'm infinity infinities! My mom told me you can't go higher than that! *throws rock*

[@rocksy7156]

I was going for the Galaga(NES) highscore myself in late 2017 until one day randomly Todd got a score of 15m that wasn't there a week before I started and it says it was from 2004. Really discouraging to know someone can just cheat to get world record when you are trying to get it legitimately.

[@bobbytherossy1257]

Sorry bud. Hope you can try again after he gets removed (hopefully).

[@hipsterelephant2660]

try again!

[@qrome20]

Every play Overwatch!? lol Same stories different games...

[@nightfall2847]

Friendlyrock if you geg 2nd place you are basically 1st, everyone knows this bastarf cheated so yeah. Don't you lose hope 👍

[@porteurliste]

Everybody knows the second place where Todd holds a record is the real record! Don't let it discourage you and get that legit first place. Also be assured all his records will go down the drain at some point!

[@luucvinky2194]

I just got an 2.7 in Dragster. My friend was there, so it's pretty rock solid evidence. Still waiting for my recordplace Twin Galaxies.

[@Asako_Gaming]

Yeah, Luuc is right, should have seen him go. It was a great run. Unfortunately there is no footage recorded because the Atari wasn't plugged in but I seen it, started in 3rd gear with no controller plugged in either. I did take a picture of it but I cannot show it because it would compromise the integrity of the run.

[@kaurii_3935]

Did you start in second gear?

[@spongefan155]

0.41

[@TheRealFakeShemp]

Beautiful trolls, the lot of you lol

[@The1andOnlyWog]

We miss you, Apollo. The world just isn't the same without you. I just hope you finally know some peace.

[@shady8045]

holy shit is he dead?

[@The1andOnlyWog]

@shady8045 yeah, all the stress from Sillly Bitchell's (Billy Mitchell) lawsuits, among other things, drove him to take his own life.

[@zetadroid]

@@The1andOnlyWog I feel bad for, at the time, being among all those that enthusiastically suggested him to go after Mitchell. If he didn't, maybe things would have gone some other way. I hope that Jobst makes Mitchell pay as much as possible for that.

[@lalotime]

Not just the stress from the lawsuits. But people brought past racists remarks apollo made. He apologized multiple times but people still were constantly spamming and harassing him. He genuinely was sorry. But I guess all the hate and everything else caused his demise

[@citypopFM]

@@lalotime Apollo had mental health issues. It wasn't just because of past remarks or others bringing it up. It's hurtful that he felt he had to take his own life feeling that hopeless about his condition and that's not worth demeaning by citing the reason for his passing over Internet remarks.

[@CommandD]

Twin Galaxies is a joke.

[@yaboypowda]

this is a twin galexies hit piece

[@oricadia]

Dwight Powder o whats up dwight

[@tinop5713]

Bonk, Herr of Tim Class one Evangelion reference right there.

[@ronalddonahue8325]

Kind of makes that whole "King of Kong" movie make sense. It came out before speedrunning got popular, and most people saw it thinking, why is there so much acrimony over a damn video game? But this was always Twin Galaxies' M.O., Billy Mitchell is in the club and Wiebe isn't.

[@Marc474R]

So are Guiness World Records

[@Xnerdz1]

Dude, I was doing a speedrun and I accidentally spilled coffee all over my screen (an honest mistake) and I got the world record. Of course, I added half a second to it after I got my pedophile friend to validate it, so it should be alright to convince the skeptics. Right?

[@mikhailvarkovsky4150]

Your comment was touched by King Midas, because it's gold

[@mxwlsadventures]

sounds accurate

[@shiroyasha7324]

Xnerdz yup

[@ori.g4mi]

"Verified by referee"

[@nickelwrangler446]

Cpals

[@joshuah1968]

I can beat all of Tods records. With Photoshop

[@kirbymods5549]

I can do it with ms paint

[@wolvessnature1286]

I can do it with a printer and a pencil

[@prodewan]

Love me a bit of photo editor

[@zsin128]

i can with vegas pro or premiere pro

[@deathbydeviceable]

@@wolvessnature1286 send me a copy, I might be able to port Doom to it

[@funnyperson4027]

“I needed to talk to this guy” “BUT IT TURNS OUT HE IS IN PRISON FOR REPEATEDLY RAPING A LITTLE GIRL”

[@MariotheBRAWLPRO]

He's like the adult version of "that kid". You know, the one who found mew under the truck and his big brother verified it.

[@1Hol1Tiger]

Takes me back to Elementary school, always that one kid who said he'd tell you the REAL way to get Mew and Pikablu and he meant it THIS time... what a penis

[@PseudoWounds]

This comment is absolute gold lol

[@guy8528]

That example reminded me of some kid whose ass I kicked at Mario Kart 64 many years ago. He went on to explain in great detail how the game was against him, and that my copy of the game wasn't legitimate because it was "against him". I feel like Todd is one of those.....special kinds of people.

[@1Hol1Tiger]

MY CONTROLLER IS BROKEN, THUS IT DOESN'T COUNT, IF WE WERE USING MY CONTROLLER I'D WIN! I BEAT RAINBOW ROAD IN 10 SECONDS! Makes me wonder if those kinds of people grow up to be the guy showing off his car at high school... 10 years after graduation

[@gingersonnyboy]

@Hawl - I remember at school you could glitch the holy hell out of the original pokemon on gameboy, was a good laugh as a kid

[@Felixfex]

HE ACTUALLY GOT REMOVED FROM TG!!!!!

[@jacencade4019]

Felixfex FUCK YEAH HE DID!

[@lobmin]

Felixfex Really? Sweet

[@MGlBlaze]

Fucking finally. TG still has a long way to go before they become credible again, though. Note that it wasn't mountains of hard evidence that were finally considered acceptable, but only a personal friend of Todd who used to be a TG referee coming forward and admitting he lied.

[@LannnR]

Felixfex yup

[@TheRealSamPreece]

the power of authority remains.

[@SamsarasArt]

Todd Rogers sounds like a guy who would say he bowled a 350

[@thatguyRoy3304]

Apollo, we miss you. I know you aren't suffering anymore, but we wish you were here. Thank you for all that you did and what you stood for. I'm so sorry someone couldn't help you.

[@MrRandomlamer]

Twin Galaxies has now officially removed the dragster highscore as well as ALL of Todd Rogers other high scores and banned him from ever submitting in the future. Well done sir the video game community owes you and the others who illuminated his cheating a debt of gratitude.

[@ahegao8099]

I feel like the people **still** defending him at this point are the kinds of people who fall for catfish.

[@JalenSoeung]

Ironclaw XII 🤔

[@KnakuanaRka]

Catfish?

[@jonahb5629]

Except No one defends him

[@littleregg3164]

@Ben Turner defending it how

[@RandomAllen]

@@jonahb5629 look through the comments, there's quite a few. Apparently ApolloLegend is just jealous he's not good enough to get impossible scores in Atari games so he's just faking evidence to hurt Todd's flawless reputation

[@grapejuicehorror]

I never realised just how much drama there was in the speedrunning community before I found this channel.

[@killerkitten7534]

“The biggest cheater in gaming history” Billy Mitchell: “hold my beer”

[@cleavly6162]

Billy Mitchell cheated but at least he's actually good at the games, Todd isn't even good at the games he gets records for.

[@Dankaliciously]

Penny and Trans cheating is utterly garbage, honestly even todays games you can cheat the fucking games no lie if you spent 50 dollars on mods for bo4. Or gta v.

[@Tjerty]

Except Todd was MASSIVELY the bigger cheater.

[@dsprocks]

@@Tjerty Yeah it seems like the only truly good man out of the lot of all these old video game records dudes is Steve Wiebe. I met him with some friends at Logan's hardware in Chicago years back, he was trying to break the Donkey Kong record again we were all watching him live play, it was great. Really nice guy we took pictures with him and I had him sign my copy of The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters. Meeting people is fun like that, even better if you get to hang and chat with them.

[@waycnf7229]

it didn’t even help him with transformers... (Avgn)

[@SJoeyB]

He is the human version of an old M&M you find in between the mattresses of a couch and you question if it is an M&M at all and refuse to touch it

[@Zeloverevolution]

SOWEY! Then it turns out to be a moldy peanut under closer inspection

[@SJoeyB]

Very well said

[@DiazShitAndStuff]

Id still eat it probably

[@PartyCrasher04]

Lmao’d irl haven’t found such an underrated comment in quite a while

[@SJoeyB]

Wow that means a lot, thank you!

[@MetalPcAngel]

The Guinness Book of World Records has confirmed that it has removed Todd Rogers’ record Dragster high score from its database about two days ago. About time.

[@troywright359]

MetalPcAngel good pun, it was about time

[@BaconSenpai]

Hell, it's about time.

[@filmgeekstudios4393]

If finding random KZbin videos has taught me anything, it's that even if I have very little interest I a topic, it will still be interesting to me if someone explains it well. Subbed.

[@djbloodshot]

The saddest part of this whole story is i do a spot on todd rogers impression that nobody will ever recognize or appreciate.

[@mortimermouse3086]

Show us!

[@TompaA]

Surprised you didn't include the WR certificate from Activision that Rogers supplied, that was quickly found to be fabricated as well. Got to love the Fraud Rogers stories

[@pc31754]

“fraud rogers” LuL

[@karlbergen6826]

You say there are other fabrications. Perhaps the maker of the video found more than he reported. As many as their were that is very possible.

[@YoImNorm]

i see you everywhere Tompa.

[@TompaA]

I have a hobby of answering youtube comments, mainly for speedrun and TAS videos, so you can indeed see me everywhere =).

[@TamaOne]

Todd Rogers has been banned and all his scores removed: www.twingalaxies.com/feed_details.php/104/twin-galaxies-dragster-dispute-concludes-with-banning-of-todd-rogers/5

[@vavrineckuzela2983]

Pibe LOL

[@TheRealRusDaddy]

Pibe D A B

[@riikonen1884]

Pibe He is banned from life

[@meattape574]

Get owned

[@Sephiroth-tn9ff]

Great news!

[@momentumspace]

I come by and watch Apollo's videos every once in a while. God damnit, I miss him.

[@OxydedGaming]

I have little to no knowledge about Twin Galaxies and how they work, but seeing this and Billy Mitchell's case, makes me wonder how come people still give any credibility to TG?

[@rminitials]

Oxyde it's no longer operated by the same people. The new management has acknowledged and stripped all known fake records from their database.

[@NinjaPineappleTaco]

After all the stuff I've seen pertaining to other speed runners who have cheated more recently (and the lengths to which people will go to prove they cheated), it's an absolute travesty that this guy has any credibility. The cheating is so unbelievably blatant that it's insulting to the entire community.

[@razzledcroaker3678]

Great News! All of Todd's records have been removed and he's been banned for life from the leaderboards!

[@mrlegoboy413]

too little too late

[@_catzee]

You should interrogate speedrunners. "Did you really get the 5.51?" "Yes." "LIAR!! *Slaps* Even TAS makers can only go as far as 5.57. What motive do you have to fake this run?" "I-uh-well..." "ANSWER ME!!!"

[@neptune-waltzesinvoid]

Loveless Catzee >>Persona 5 flashbacks

[@neptune-waltzesinvoid]

ariannasv22 oH GOD

[@Avarioth]

The slap got me... xD

[@mistaisnotamused3285]

*28 STAB WOUNDS*

[@m1a1abramstank49]

*28 Speedrun cheats!*

[@NathanChisholm041]

So his best mate is a pedo? Sounds legit!

[@Black-Dawg-Jesus]

So he got a Guiness Record without proof? Honestly, you should fire everyone who gave him credit without any proof. This is just stupid.

[@wieser98]

i rate this comment 9/11

[@thrallion]

Guinness Records made Twin Galaxies their official source for videogame records. In other words, Guinness knew they didn't have the means to check them and they believed TG to be reliable. Kind of Guinness's fault for trusting TG, but for them, all the "proof" they needed was for TG to assure them that there was proof.

[@Black-Dawg-Jesus]

That's just plain stupid. I really thought Guiness was better than this, but it seems I've overestimated them. Who in the world would take a few people they've probably never met IRL serious by just saying "yeah, we approve" without sending any evidence at all to Guiness? I want to facepalm so hard right now.

[@thrallion]

To be fair, TW normally is credible (as far as I'm aware). Also, most of Guinness's records are very easy for them to verify (fastest car, most plates stacked on chin, etc), records where video proof is (generally) absolute proof. Video games on the other hand are incredibly difficult to verify unless you have extremely good knowledge on every specific game and spend lots of time searching each video submission for indicators for cheating. Guinness simply can't do this on their own, and again, TG was and still is the main source for video game records, so it makes sense that Guinness would trust them. I guess in the end, Guinness had to decide between either trusting TG, or not putting any video game records in their book at all.

[@wantnotwant]

>record set in the 1980s >"fire everyone who gave him credit" Ok, we'll get right on that

[@chromaphasia453]

I mean, if he's managed to get 15million in a game, I would say, just ask him to get a much easier score in comparison, like 10 or even 5 million, seeing as that should be so easy comparatively, then watch as he absolutely fails to even break 10k.

[@williambrinkmeier1772]

Oh no all of a sudden my stomach hurts oh the pain . Mr Satan XD

[@shady8045]

That isn’t always how it works for extreme scores like that though

[@rhaeven]

@@shady8045 some games the scores go up exponentially like Galaxy Wars and stuff, but i don't think it worked that way in many atari games, usually linear scoring

[@zerodawn09]

here the thing he has been asked before and failed. not sure if it was live or not but its on tape of a reporter (i think) having him try the dragster one and he failed every time.

[@MaskMcGee]

Todd Rogers is a perfect match to the sketch of the man wanted in the murder of 16 year old Molly Bish in 2000.

[@sarsona_3611]

Man Todd really murdering people now ?

[@samdoc5275]

@@sarsona_3611 wouldnt be surprised

[@j2323j]

Wouldn't doubt it

[@hexyko4850]

Oh shxt, I know about that case. What you said is true.

[@hexyko4850]

How old was this guy in 2000? Is there a way to send a tip to the police or something?

[@jackcristo1628]

"He got a Twin Galaxies employee, who is now in prison, to lie about witnessing scores he never had." I like how this makes it sounds like he went to prison for falsely verifying speedrun records. XD ...but nah, a little bit heavier than that...

[@spongefan155]

-\(._.)/ | | /\

[@Leroyteam]

Rip dr eggman

[@westonryan2698]

The Trust haha I was thinking the same thing

[@thundaga1009]

He no longer has the master plan

[@westonryan2698]

Lame_pun456 was getting caught part of his plan?

[@AliC202]

"NO WAY I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!"

[@lPsychoMax]

AliC202 "I'LL BE BACK, WITH HAM! EVIL HAM!!"

[@koopakingdom]

It's extra pathetic that he couldn't even come up with some believable scores for some of those.

[@svenniepennie4237]

Well apparently the scores were believable back then. He just went for a number that he thought would secure himself the number one spot for a long time. He didnt realize that nerds would still be picking apart his records 30 years later.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

svennie pennie never lie when the internet was about to become a thing.

[@crazyluigi6664]

65,000,000

[@TheMegaPingasMobile]

I like how there exists videos and documentaries of him being interviewed and him explaining about his technique on that dragster game

[@SallowDawn]

I don't know what happened, but this video was set to private for two years. Apollo said he would give his account credentials to a few friends before he passed, but when I asked them if he did so, they said he didn't. You'll notice the Billy Mitchell videos aren't back - I believe those were fully deleted, and Apollo gave Billy legal ownership of those.

[@KiwisCassie]

It's a shame the other Billy ones are fully gone. Surely there's an archive of em out there somewhere?

[@darknova1916]

Tod Rogers and Billy Mitchell are the perfect examples of why bullying and abortion should always be allowed.

[@PrKo]

@@KiwisCassie there are

[@IcaroRamosDM]

​@@PrKoWhere can I find them?

[@chem525]

Where are they?

[@dotkill01]

I'll be honest I came into this video with a little bit of reverence for this guy and was a little upset to see him attacked again. The only criticism I had seen of him before was on Dragster and I had seen that particular-- not so egregious record brought up so many times I thought it was all of it. I didn't know it was only the tip of the iceberg, I figured the Dragster record wasn't legit but that wasn't enough to sully his prolific reputation. You sure changed my mind; Todd Rogers is a total scumbag, he needs to have all of his records (without video evidence) expunged.

[@sprankster2]

Serpens I would also say the ones that were verified by a ref as well. Edit: NVM that is what you are saying lol.

[@sparkplug1018]

Im glad to see open minded people that are willing to at least listen to logic and reason. And I agree with you, no video, no record. Lied about Dragster, what else is there?

[@dillyduncs]

Good on you for coming around, but how could it possibly not be enough to sully his reputation that he had a proven fake record already? Hundreds of records and you think he only faked one? Or did you actually still believe the dragster record was real?

[@VeNoM0619]

With or without video evidence... hes already faked photographs, certificates, records. Do you think anything he says or shows can be considered legit?

[@RedArremer]

Omnigamer is getting all the credit for the ban finally coming from TG, but I'd like to point out they were stalling pretty much indefinitely about that dispute until this video was posted. In reality, it was the case I presented 15 YEARS AGO documented in this video that finally couldn't be denied any longer by TG. Had Apollo not posted this video, TG would in all likelihood still be holding out for Todd.

[@arbetor12]

I think everyone who helped showed the truth deserves credit and omnigamer maybe getting all the credit but I think that's because he provided the biggest piece of evidence not to say you didn't provide any. You and so many people who without knowing worked together to provide this amount of information and edivence to expose him you did amazing. even if no one shows appreciation I appreciate everything you did good work

[@monkeyjuju7441]

I doubt that. I'm pretty sure you're giving him far too much credit while at least a handful of other people deserve just as much or more.

[@shoobopper]

FirebrandX thanks for the framemeister profiles dude. you're a legend

[@Gen-X-Memories]

I'm sorry to hear about what happened to this guy. I really enjoyed his videos and he comes across like a genuinely good person. Rest in Peace Mr Apollo.

[@Horny_Fruit_Flies]

It's like he didn't even bother to try to be good at lying about this. It's almost as if he knew the verification was so insanely corrupt and he could get away with the most blatant, insulting lies.

[@deleno7290]

But you keep forgetting Toddy R has his *H U M A N. E L E M E N T*

[@no_imdirty_dan2329]

Wut? Fan?

[@hibubgames7667]

Beast Mode I think it's a quote. Probably an excuse of why a tas can't get his scores. Edit: He said a spreadsheet showing all possible times in dragster was wrong because it didn't incorporate the "human element.

[@rollingthunder8630]

Beast Mode Look at his other video of 10 cheaters

[@erroressentialis6803]

The Human Element is rather a disadvantage than an advantage. But i wonder why computers are able to beat chess pro's, oh right its the human elements.

[@PoppaPickett]

I used to frequent TG being a retro gamer (mainly ColecoVision) and I went on a crusade to beat as many of his scores as possible. After beating more than 20 of his records in games like Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr, Q-Bert, Carnival, and others, I tried submitting them to TG to be listed only to have them be denied with no reasoning. At this time, TG claimed that their records were recognized by the Guiness World Record books. I contacted them to see about having the records acknowledged there and was told that they were not recognized by Guiness even though they showed the GWR logo on the site.

[@dabanjo]

You beat his (fake) 15 million on Donkey Kong?

[@MattyGeneric]

*_The video that started it all...._* Where *Apollo* became a *Legend.*

[@briskwat4244]

Coming up next: Todd Rogers beat Super Mario Bros in 3 minutes!

[@Warhawk-kf9mx]

Briskwat It has to do with starting world 2 before the game starts, along with the human element that was not taken into consideration for previous Speedruns.

[@harryd2433]

Warhawk 3126 screw it, why not 8-4 1 pixel above the axe hitbox

[@voidtermina2890]

Haven't you heard? His new record is 30 seconds!

[@Perambulous]

He got a 4 min 32 (impossible by like 10 seconds)

[@xenomaster7263]

Briskwat Pathetic I beat it in 3 seconds because I loaded a save state that sent me to the credits

[@ChimpFromSpace]

If you're gonna cheat, at least make the scores believable.

[@Wtahc]

No need if the idiot game companies will believe it anyway.

[@cameronworley1600]

Especially since it ensures no one will ever be able to break his bogus records

[@Warhawk-kf9mx]

PMcCul4486 The human element does not conform with reality.

[@kineticdeath]

this is like the people abusing the rewind glitch in forza horizon to put up danger sign jumps of several MILES. Everyone with the brain capacity to turn on an xbox knows they are fake and yet it takes ages for anything to be done about them and quite often some stay in place anyway, eternally tainting the online leaderboards. Also the people with 5 second lap times in a car with a top speed of 120 vs the hypercars that require 40-50 seconds per lap

[@chrisobrooks6662]

There was a coffee stain on my phone screen sorry I couldn't hear your counter argument.

[@bjam89]

The fact he said he did it only once makes me sure he did it a bunch of times

[@czechm4te]

HE LOOKS LIKE DR EGGMAN, WHY DID ANYONE TRUST HIM, IT WAS ALL A SIGN

[@Kyun9432]

he's banned now lol

[@sloth9853]

Great huh baby 😉

[@DANKSx1]

He has been banned from the server

[@neil340]

Doesn't take a skilled judge to know that if someone's score is 10x higher than every other score on the board, it's not real!

[@brokenwave6125]

Neil M Let alone in the wrong increments...or higher than the game can physically allow...what a joke.

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

Well it's only 11 more years till Ron's out of prison. Can verify everything then. EDIT: Also, what was with this guy and setting his times at just beyond the possible? I mean, 5.51 when the best possible is 5.57?

[@MsFlyingCake]

Because he does not have the knowledge to know the best possible time.

[@ohmypoi8734]

5.54

[@exantiuse497]

The best possible time was discovered by analyzing the game's code years after he set that record. He didn't know for sure that it was impossible, it was in the 80s after all. He just took the best time ever achieved, took a few hundred milliseconds off of it and declared that as his best score thinking it would take people years to break that, not knowing it was actually impossible

[@shis1988]

Eleven years for molesting a child... Sounds about white.

[@mathias3721]

@@shis1988 he got 30 years, he was just arrested 19 years ago, so 11 more years to go

[@mach6893]

Long story short, Todd made up his scores without even playing the game.

[@billmitchell3266]

​@@smileforme128 mach6893 is a knucklehead with no facts. The game creator was there to watch and promote his performance

[@iami3rian394]

​@@billmitchell3266yeah.... That's not even kind of true, is it?

[@Borat.Sagdiyev]

Todd is the type of kid that tells you he got every record at the arcade but then at the arcade he comes up with some bull

[@GigawingsVideo]

He's the typical pretentious kid living inside a body of an old man. The ultimate manchildren.

[@PatLund]

My dad works at Nintendo.

[@anemiapwns1]

My dad is Nintendo.

[@Nightdare]

Nintendo is my dad

[@justiceforthewaa4820]

I am Nintendo’s dad.

[@P0k3rm4s7]

This guy is a legend for all the wrong reasons, I'm honestly surprised a video like this had to be made, I'm not in the speedrunning community but all this stuff is so freaking obvious that it makes me feel bad for all the legit people.

[@rayvenkman2087]

P0k3rm4s7 Well Edison steals Tealsa's ideas and claimed them as his own. So it happens.

[@daniielah.7569]

Ray Vankman pretty much.

[@jeffstut55]

HAHAHAHA I love how some of his records are in the 10,000,000s when no one else has cracked 100,000. Who is he trying to fool?

[@josealfonso8370]

I mean, he still probably has some skill, which brings the question: Could he 4-stock me in final destination in SSB Melee?

[@rigistroni]

He could four stock you in a two stock match

[@adf_95]

You called the police? Well, that's a commitment. Great job Apollo, you rock!

[@davidmatheny398]

Ale_yoyo that was the only part of the video that i saw as a maybe. Police have auctions all the time so the videos would never be kept. So the glendale police could have just blew off this request. I can't say either way but Apollo calling them is legit.

[@ironwolf56]

Same; cops throw stuff out or lose it all the time and they're always going to say "oh yeah sure we gave it all back."

[@M0EJ0EKING]

and the hamster wheel spins.

[@zackestin1368]

Police have records of everything logged into evidence, they’d be able to look it up in seconds and have no reason to lie since it would have been a decade ago.

[@CarrotConsumer]

Zack Estin Or someone a decade ago lost it or threw it away and just marked it as returned.

[@Oscaro300]

The coffee excuse was the best thing I've ever heard

[@Mngalahad]

Oscar "sorry, after seeing such an amazing record, I jizzed all over the timer on the picture. But it was a 00:29, I guarantee. Im a referee".

[@warriorsorb1111]

"Fraud Rogers"" sounds like a TV show. lol not a bad idea though

[@SillyKiwiFtaghn]

We miss you Apollo

[@altrogeruvah]

I can't believe there is such thing as "Todd Rodgers fans". I mean, excuses about confiscated VHS tapes and coffee stains are as elaborate as "my dog ate my homework" and yet, people attest to him. Goes to show how dangerous willful ignorance is.

[@MacNifty]

Why would that be alarming? People are fans of this guy sharing this video he made. He now has us as fans somewhat.

[@JackTheripper911]

MacNifty Of course the Poster of this video would have fans. He produces content. What the fuck does Todd rodgers do to merit fandom?

[@MacNifty]

Yes and no. That's like saying you are a fan of whoever edited something on national geographic channel. That's just silly in a sense. That's like saying someone is the fan of the investor that gave another actual doer money to have a show or statue or school named after them. The one who built the school didn't have fans it was the person the name that was on the school itself but not even that really. The teachers had fans. But it's not fans it students to teacher. Maybe someone follows someone. I take the fan aspect in the view of someone that has a liking or following of any thing. I guess one can be a fan of a rock. True.

[@JackTheripper911]

MacNifty Lol its nothing alike. I dont know what dumbass you are but its not even close 😂. The person/people editing TV shows generally have little to no involvement with the actual product, how its written or anything regarding that. People creating youtube videos actually create the content and have their own style to it. Even the companies that run via youtube have video editors that still actually partake in the video itself. You seem like a very deluded fanboy of a lying sack of shit.

[@kummakummakummakummakummac8606]

altrogeruvah - Look at what happens when a famous person gets arrested. People wil jump to there defense. They think they know that person just because they seen him on tv.

[@Asango]

"He's serving 30 years in prison for repeatedly raping a girl" That escalated rather fast, didn't it?

[@SamuelSamuelSamuel]

His daughter at that.

[@Asango]

Jesus Fucking Christ

[@DeathAtYourDoorStep]

I bet him and Todd both did. They both look like the type to enjoy that lmao.

[@BetaMentra]

Maybe they both did it but Twin Galaxy confirmed that Todd got the highest score

[@JohnUnsub]

BetaMentra Holy fucking savage Batman.

[@phoenix887]

LMAO how has anyone fallen for these records? The scores on many of these are laughably high, I mean, if you’re gonna cheat, at least do it in a believable way.

[@ajr993]

Also known as Todd Togers according to his lawsuit

[@FormerHumanX]

It's not just Todd Rogers. You could make a video detailing all the lunacy, incompetence, and dishonesty of Twin Galaxies itself. The site is a joke and has been for years. It cannot be trusted.

[@devinhigoy221]

man bat nah thats EA

[@gamesake999]

Twin galaxies is literal trash. For one, the "wr"s are all fake. For example, Sml's fastest completion is definitely a 16:xx. I have a 14:2x, and also, they ask for your zip code and name and other info🚼

[@ubervirtuoso]

Paying for submissions, and snarky attitudes about " this score can't be possible bc i have the twin galaxies world record" when other people beat their records, & no autofire are just the tip of the iceberg to showing how one site is so far behind the times compared to others for competitive games.

[@crazylarryjr]

you can't dispute code, game coding proves it can't be done, it can't be done. Unfortunately many fanboys will just ignore logic, even in the face of true evidence

[@animowany111]

Oh, but that run had a random bitflip at exactly the right time to save 0.07 seconds! I'm sure of it

[@no_imdirty_dan2329]

What? Are you a fan boy commenter?

[@animowany111]

Apparently It's impossible to reliably convey sarcasm through text. Does this help?: /s

[@quinnbartlett7233]

no, it was very obviously sarcastic

[@SeductiveCrab]

crazyjr Sounds like flat Earthers!

[@vajleexi]

I scored 1 point in Pac-Man and I didn’t even get acknowledged for having the lowest score in video game history.

[@josephbrandenburg4373]

Joke's on you. I got 0. I haven't even played Pac-Man!!

[@captainjurgh8142]

Todd just got *Dragged* over.

[@cristian2452]

what a disagreeable person. Having to lie so much just to have the satisfaction of something you have not really done.

[@Sol_Calibre]

Isn't this literally most of the internet???

[@Clay3613]

Something, something...jobs and casinos.

[@Tenekai]

i think we've all done that... i used to do that all the time... as a kid... probably under 15 was the last time... there's a reason God makes a huge deal of lying... and there's a reason one of his closest friends... DUN DUN DUN... child rapists. real honest group of friends he must have.

[@rowanrobinson]

Shouldn't you be complaining about Ron before Todd?

[@MacNifty]

I can bet there is a feel good to beating the system or tricking people for so long. Now he is famous for it. I never knew who this guy was until today. So as lazy scamming of a cheater is he is somewhat daringly brave and in that sense I kind of have an odd respect for his sneakiness. Like Obama or Hillary. lolol.

[@Phoenix1212121212]

I mean cmon, doesn't he just look like the typical uncle that would hide monopoly money under the table when you were young? I'm amazed that people thought he was legit in the first place.

[@jordanreid1421]

Looks more likely that he plays hide the salami.

[@Fredfellow]

Is there a reupload anywhere of Apollo Legend's video on Belly Mitchell "How the world's most infamous Donkey Kong player got caught cheating"?

[@F40PH-2CAT]

Billy owns it so, no.

[@gairisiuil]

@@F40PH-2CAT Except there is. It's on the Internet Archive.

[@FizzleFX]

*Moderators often have god complex* or are 'friends' with those players. *Moderation has to be anonymous* ... as in: they CANT KNOW who send the tape until the data is confirmed or NOT. No favorism for "top players" and "pals" - but also no picking on "the new guy" We had that so often its a joke by now. Entire channels are built around moderators failing to do the most basic duty cause they want the PRESTIGE rather caring about their actual goal. How many times we need to hear "he got away with it for XX years cause nobody bothered looking" before those idiots learn that lesson? its baffling, really. Its not that hard to do right. Its not.