10 reasons why your lifted jeep drives like $h!t

Here is a video some of you may love and some may hate!
we dive into the top 10 reasons why your lifted jeep may not have the same ride quality it used to.
3:00 Jounce Curb Rebound graphic
3:15 Squat and Dive
3:30 Roll Articulation Steer
4:20 Springs
4:45 Shocks
5:05 Bump Stops
5:30 Control Arms
6:30 Control Arms Cycling
6:35 Track Bars
6:41 Drag Link and Tie Rod
9:38 Bump Steer - May need to zoom in on the wheel end to show it moving
10:00 Bump Steer 2
10:45 axle roll steer
11:35 body roll steer 1
11:45 body roll steer 2
14:12 control arms steering axle
19:55 drag link flip
25:30 drop brackets
30:30 caster
35:20 24 Taco Driveline
38:15 Hydraulic Assist
43:30 Death Wobble
45:33 Steering Box Off Frame
52:16 Articulation Study

[@brainyhead1]

LOVE the Pirate 4x4 reference, I used to live on that site.

[@74weld]

Same. Pirate was the shit back in the day. Everyone was on there. Remember the thread on the Camo 60??

[@brainyhead1]

@@74weld haha yes I do LOL

[@CraigGrunenfelder]

Thin Air's thread was better.

[@elliotkane4443]

Really great conversation you boys have, I'm by no means ignorant and I learn heaps every time.

[@YonisJeep]

I really appreciate the deep dive into the mechanics of Jeep lifts and portals in your video. The detailed explanation of how suspension modifications can impact ride quality and vehicle dynamics was incredibly insightful. It’s great to see such thorough coverage on a topic that clearly affects driving experience and performance. You got me sold on the portals !

[@rustyintheoutdoors]

Very timely video for me, as I just experienced death wobble 5 times in a row going down the highway yesterday afternoon 😂 I appreciate the simple yet detailed explanation of Jeep suspension!

[@jaydawg3303]

Keep these going I love the deep dives

[@dmp3418]

Great education guys. Thanks!

[@brianb6603]

Excellent as usual!!! This talk cleared up some questions I had regarding setup and steering... Thanks!

[@kristoferfc6525]

this was an amazing in depth video, loved it!!

[@BuschBuilds]

Love the videos thank you one day I will have this on the jt

[@cowelk]

You are welcome. Thank you. I learned a lot.

[@enjoytheridedude]

Can’t wait for portals on my Tundra!! So excited!

[@Crash0196]

I can’t wait to one day afford to get a set of these with AccuAir suspension

[@HH-cu2mv]

If it wasn't $5000 per wheel, it is an insane amount. $20,000 cost can be a lot of upgrades otherwise.

[@JoeRocca-zf2el]

And none of those upgrades give you ground clearance. By the sound of it, a lots of customers disagree with your comment on price. I remember my father once saying to me “expensive is a relative term”

[@kristoferfc6525]

the more people buy them and more they can use the economy of scale the cheaper they'll get to a certain point

[@genedios4473]

Solid vid, boys 👍

[@dougenyart9243]

1. Should you use an aftermarket front axle or would the factory one be good it’s for a Mojave 2. If you wanted to put the rock kroner triangulated rear on would you weld it this is for the jt

[@SteveS007]

So what would be the best way to add travel to the front of an f250 super duty? Longer radius arms, springs, shocks, and track bar? Like you said, 99% of trucks just space the bump stop down.

[@TheClutchman32]

How much of the bump steer conversation is applicable to Tacoma’s; stock or lifted? My 2017 had a decent amount of bump steer stock when just driving over speed bumps, the wheel would just bounce back and forth. Same if not worse when lifted with the eibach kit and JBA’s.

[@JeepinBailey]

Really good content fellas. I’d trade my lift for portals for sure if $$ wasn’t an issue. I would like to hear what style tracbar brace you guys like and weather adjustable shocks are a good setup with the stock suspension?

[@74weld]

That’s an easy one. WFO concepts brace, steersmart steering…and I’d either run a Fox shock or a Fox shock. I have the 3.0’s with adjustable clicker…and I never change them because I am lazy and they just work

[@davidowen7600]

Great video! Where's the one where you explain why a portal kit cost 20 grand?

[@connor3288]

Supply and demand, r+d, production costs. Make your own, see how long/how much it costs...

[@davidkaplan2745]

Very interesting. Nothing for TJs? :(

[@ultra4suzukisamurai679]

Perfect fix to all these issues, body lift! LOL! And cheaper than portals. Hahahahaha

[@RonJacobsen1973]

this is the most samurai thing ive ever seen

[@jasgap]

What about scrub radius? Is that calculated for a 40?

[@brainyhead1]

Is it ok to use hockey pucks to lift your ride? Just kidding, great content!

[@husabergpower4700]

But there are also disadvantages. With portals, the unsprung mass is increased, which can make driving on the road worse, and the track width is increased, which can also be a disadvantage.

[@connor3288]

To be fair, if you are lifting your jeep you are likely putting on bigger heavier wheels and tires as well, which will also increase unsprung weight. Horses for courses, you wouldn't use/wanna use portals for a desert prerunner for example. Some of the increase in unsprung weight could be offset with smaller tires. With the portals you could have more clearance with smaller lighter tires. I think the portals are awesome.

[@orcinsd]

Credit to who ran that "study" with the multiple lifts/jeeps?

[@eriksteinholt]

The study I was referring to was performed at Dixie 4x4 in Moab in November of 2020. Over the course of 2.5 days, Bryce, Milt, a mechanic named Justin and I built 6 JLs with different lift kits while Brad from Trailrecon filmed. We then spent a few days measuring, driving and comparing the vehicles. Shout out to Trailrecon for putting together an excellent two-part series on this. For anyone interested, search "Ultimate Jeep Wrangler Lift Kit Comparison". Brad does a good job of describing the user experience of each kit, from install to daily driving to off-road.

[@orcinsd]

@@eriksteinholt perfect, thank you.

[@amatueroverlanding4361]

I have a JT ecodiesel with a 2.5" full clayton lift and fox 2.5. 37's. Rides like crap. This may help me tune it a little bit. Would love to put portals on it one day.

[@delagto_5340]

3.5” game changer metal cloak 37s and fox 2.5s rides like factory

[@connor3288]

Does that kit have rubber bushings in the arms? I remember researching lift kits years ago and Metalcloak seemed to be the best engineered with their control arm design. I think high clearance fenders and no lift is very appealing as well.

[@delagto_5340]

@@connor3288 yes rubber bushings that allow flex. Also the joints then selves are welded at an angle to allow proper alignment within the pocket and create less binding. Some others kits have this may others don’t. I’m happy and suits my girlfriends daily driver weekend toy needs

[@connor3288]

@@delagto_5340 was asking guy about the clayton lift, shoulda clarified in my comment. I know metalcloak has rubber bushing option. Arms without rubber must be very harsh,and I would worry about stress cracks over time.

[@edsmith4549]

It's alternative math

[@Fremlin]

All lifted vehicles drive like crap!