#10MinuteTalk

[@InkwellFoto]

please never stop doing these type of videos. Some of us will never have access to people like this with a wealth of knowledge.

[@VortexNation]

Thank you! No plans to stop any time soon :)

[@braniganrobertsonlaw]

@@VortexNation Yeah, ditto. These podcasts are amazing.

[@didamnesia3575]

I put a long level on my fence, and then leveled my rifle, then leveled the scope to the level on the fence visually to that. Worked perfectly.

[@jallark9041]

If your scope is parallel to your bore axis the can't doesn't really matter much but if you have any sort of MOA offset built into your rail then you definitely want your vertical stadia to run true with it.

[@hoot6077]

I'd love to see another part to this discussion talking about how to test your scope when you receive it to make sure the reticle is level with the turrets and what to do if it is not. If your reticle is not level with the adjustments on elevation and windage that will lead to some frustration and imaginary wind when dialing at distance.

[@rc-pm1fe]

one thing you have to be cautious about with leveling the scope to yourself instead of the rifle is, if you may be wearing kit, changing kit and gear. Your ability to get in a similar position that you get in without gear is different or more difficult. There may be times you have a helmet or no helmet and then having to wear a helmet with your chin strap on, on different days is going to change your firing position and cheek weld without having your usual ideal conditions. To also consider you may pass that rifle off to a different shooter for whatever reason.

[@Jeff_Seely]

This video covered points that I had never realized were even topics to be considered. I am among the guys that will never take a big game shot past 400yards and it is very rare for me to be in a situation where I'd be shooting at a range that facilitates shots beyond 200yds. But now that I know about these topics and their effects, I will feel like I have set them up improperly. And that's the point. For me, I think it is always best to grow in knowledge and train yourself to practice the correct principles. So thank you for providing those tools to help further that knowledge and set things up the more correct way to set up my rifle's optics.

[@codyway7424]

If the scope is not perfectly level with the bore, i.e. canted, it will shoot to the right or left at distance. Never tell someone that it doesn't matter.

[@stupiditypissesmeoff330]

Ahh you’re right but you’re basically wrong. If it’s not level with the bore, BUT, is being held level with earth, sighting in the rifle will dial that right out and you’ll never know. You need to geometry boy. But yes I agree, for a man with some integrity’s’ sake, yes it should be level. And no, it doesn’t matter at the end of the day dude. Because they’ll dial that right out when initially sighting in, AS LONG AS RETICALE IS PLUMB PARALLEL WITH GRAVITY. Which to simplify that for you, is level. Simplify, semper fi

[@codyway7424]

@Stupidity PissesMeOff yep, you can zero a cockeyed scope. But when shooting longer than your zero distances using hold over or dial-up, you will be off

[@Whiskey.Tango.Actual]

​@@stupiditypissesmeoff330 you are objectively wrong. Not trying to be an ass, but the barrel and specifically the action needs to be square to the reticle and then one needs to be level to gravity on the whole when taking a shot. Semper Fi.

[@ttonAb2]

​@stupiditypissesmeoff330 it's always great when someone is so confidently wrong.

[@DN-kz7xl]

Still trying to figure this out. Imo most people leave out crucial info. What is important to note is that a rifle is set up and tapped to have the scope exactly vertically above it. One can mount a scope on the side or underneath the rifle if one would make the effort of attaching a rail or some base. Still one needs to shoot the upside down rifle with the bore and scope sight aligned vertically. Any cant from that chosen position, would shift the poi. If one cant a rifle and shoot, the poi will be the reference for the scope crosshair for the zero. However with the same cant, further poi at further distances will not be consistent. IMO the boresight and thus bullet path, initially straight or slightly upwards and then exactly vertically down, must be vertically aligned with the scope sight and should thus these two should intersect twice. If canted, imo, it will only intersect only once, i.e. the distance where the scope was zeroed.

[@glenndzus9519]

R scope is canted to the right 12:11 say 3.6deg to get your crosshair verticle when you sholder and your sigted in at 100 yrds, When you adjust for 200yrds by using the retucal or turret you will have moved point of impact to the right 1% and that error will increaaase with distace because the gun is no longer following a plumb. If what this video suggested is I could turn my scope 45deg and be able to be on target at different distances This is only ok for 1 distace tthat the gun is zeroed for. Shorter or longer distances from your zero distance your imact will go left or right If you shoot at vering distances your avope must be leveled to your gun.

[@claudegoodell5949]

Old Gunn to use the corner in my kitchen.

[@glenndzus9519]

@claudegoodell5949 not 100% sure what your point is. Do you level the both gun and reticle?

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

@@glenndzus9519Yeah the “theory” pushed by this video is pure nonsense. If your crosshair/turrets are not tracking perpendicular to your bore, your shots are going left or right depending on the direction of the alignment error as you dial up. Everybody wants to show a chart or a graph or a nonsensical spreadsheet but when you get out there and shoot a tall target test, the “scope canted to the action but level to gravity” nonsense goes out the window when you see the increase of bullets landing left or right of the vertical target line as you dial.

[@jimmoseley2983]

On the Remington 700 action you can level rifle using the raceway. Then work your way up mounting base and rings, then your scope. Wheeler does a good job which takes me out to 1200 yds without a cant issue.

[@tombouldin8403]

Instead of adding all these external attachments to the rifle, scope, etc, why doesn’t some attentive scope manufacturer install a very small level inside the top of the reticle? You could monitor everything without switching eyes and potentially moving the rifle.

[@gregphillips1998]

That’s very informative. I will have to set up a plumb line and shoulder my rifle to see if I am canting my rifle. But like he said, inside of 300yds you’d really have to be way off with the cant to be inaccurate. I only have to worry about angle when I’m in a tree stand since I hunt in Florida where it’s flat.

[@kenbrown873]

I love this! I knew cant was a something to take into account but didn't understand why.

[@mojomike3913]

I set my barreled action up on a level surface using 1-2-3 blocks then set the vertical crosshair to a plumb bob.

[@mikerussell2677]

I enjoy your 10+ minute talks!!! I respectfully disagree! All this "level this" and "level that" is fine if you don't dial up for elevation and only "holding over" using your reticle. In my opinion, use any method that make you feel good to "level" your cross hairs. The final test is to zero at 100 yards and fire a group. Then dial up 20MOA and fire another group. Using and any basic plumb-line (a string and a rock if necessary) your 20MOA group should be directly above your 100 yard group as measured with your plumbline. I believe this ensures your bottom crosshair is pointed directly down at the center of your rifle bore, and as you dial up for elevation your crosshairs will move on an axis directly above your rifle bore. ( I'm sorry I can't add a simple drawing to this Comment)

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

If you dont do a tall target test to verify level at different adjustments (ex: 100yds, 0mil, 5mil) you dont know if it is truly level. There MUST be an imaginary plane (gravity) from top of reticle down the vert reticle and thru the center of the bore.

[@mark929rr5]

tall targets test if your reticle is true to the turrets. ( if it is tracking correct) your reticle could be level and if you test with tall targets and you find that you are getting unwanted windage with your elivation then you know something might be up with your scope or your scope leveling itself. (assuming no win is in effect )

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

@@mark929rr5 my point is that a ttt also shows cant. Twist your scope to where the top turret is 1 oclock rather than 12. Shoot a ttt. What happens?

[@mark929rr5]

@@rocketsurgeon1746 you would get greater and greater windage as you adjusted your elevation.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

@@mark929rr5If you shoot a tall target test and align your vertical crosshair with a truly plum vertical line on the target and start dialing up 10-15 mils, you will know immediately if your scope is canted in relation to your bore because your impacts will start having extra windage and your elevation will come up low.

[@soonersteve3733]

I was wondering why using plumb bob and flashlight to adjust your vertical? I use that technique to confirm my reticle is level and then adjust the bubble level on the scope to match.

[@Whiskey.Tango.Actual]

At risk of sounding stupid, it's almost always objectively wrong not to level your scope to the square action. Doing anything different is niche. The barrel should be square and level to the reticle. I shoot 2400 yards every week with this method. It seems to me like this gentleman is arguing one can, let's say, mount a scope on the side of a rifle and as long as the reticle is plum to gravity, "that's all that matters". There's no way that is correct.

[@DD-gi6kx]

you barrel is round, there is no up/down /sideways to your barrel, as soon as bullet leaves gravity pulls bullet down, as long as vertical adjust on scope is plumb does not matter where your stock points

[@bryanfenstermaker4121]

Does Height over Bore make a difference

[@derrickgrant8718]

Great video very helpful.

[@John_Redcorn_]

Why hasnt an optics company integrated an internal level that becomes visible while looking thru the scope? Have some kind of digital ‘bubble’ or graph visible like a scope that has the integrated range finder shows a range number. Cmon vortex. You could be the first. Lol. Maybe there already is and im just not aware

[@John_Redcorn_]

@Reel-Lentless i just saw where SigSauer has one too. Also has lights to show you holdover

[@longshooter457]

Leupold vx6hd w/impact 29 reticle. Center of reticle lights up if you cant. Bubble level on scope is mor accurate though. I have both.

[@stupiditypissesmeoff330]

They do, and have for a while… it’s called a LEUPOLD, and they’re pricey, but damn good LOL🤘🏽

[@brainmeier3433]

It’s easy you hold your rifle how you normally hold it and aim it at something that is plumb and adjust the vertical part of your crosshairs to be inline with the plumb and vertical object of your choice.

[@gilream]

Good information here. Thanks

[@Thoseaboutto911]

Try a tall target test and calibrate your scope by there?

[@shepherd8203]

Am a Bow hunter my master eye is left, but am right handed. Does the master eye as in important for shooting rifles. I always have shoot right hand . I’m buy a rifle my thoughts are go with lefthand What do you all think?

[@Yettiattack]

Shoot what’s comfortable.

[@TrentsGarage]

You spelled Horizontal wrong on your presentation displayed on that TV 😅 think you guys should send me some swag 😊

[@Johnsormani]

Horizantal doesn’t give me much confidence but hey what he’s telling makes sense

[@hyde4787]

Be nice if you made a link below to the Nick's Instagram.

[@VortexNation]

Added! And for your reference - instagram.com/nick.laufenberg/

[@ronws2007]

I cant even... see what I did there? You're welcome, internet.

[@BG-qo8ol]

Listen: its not the distance its the amount of adjustment from your zero.

[@stupiditypissesmeoff330]

You’re right, going back to the grand scheme of things and my point with high velocity cartridges that the new fan boys are getting away from. The faster a projectile, the flatter it shoots, the flatter a projectile shoots, the less hold over or adjustment needed to shoot accurately or hold dead on at distance. Therefore, high velocity cartridges for the most part are always inherently more accurate. Going back to why I don’t jump on the new creedmore or valkry band wagons, UNLESS, shooting in a lot of wind, or needing higher weight projectiles for better BC.. unless it’s just your thing to hold over or dope. Speed kills, and speed is accurate. Don’t let these new pretty boys selling shit tell you otherwise.

[@ttonAb2]

Except everything mentioned in this video is very wrong.

[@stupiditypissesmeoff330]

Shooting a mile with a 6.5 creedmore?

[@Mpeterson1286]

I've never understood how you could guarantee the bubble level clamped onto your scope tube is true to your reticle.

[@EricCindyKaneshiro]

I run a plumb bob (string with weight hanging down), look through the scope some distance / 60 feet or so away and align the vertical stadia of the reticle with the string, attach and center the bubble level.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

@@EricCindyKaneshiro< this

[@_Epictetus_]

What if you have to shoot from the other shoulder...🤦

[@Yettiattack]

Most of us arent in a war situation where this would come into play. Regardless you would still set to your dominant side an just practice accordingly to know how to shoot that scenario.

[@jadslash]

My god it's hard not to see HORIZANTAL

[@travisz6395]

Once I saw "horizantal" on the screen I couldnt go on.

[@foreyes4it]

I noticed the error too. Glad I scrolled down through the comments before typing a critical comment. What is it about the proliferation of misspelling and poor grammar in YT recently?

[@chrismoyer6732]

1ST

[@VortexNation]

Well done!