the biggest problem with "13 Reasons Why" Season 2

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[@traceymarie5615]

This season, no one noticed that Clay was talking to ghost Hannah the entire season. Having full blown conversations. He needed help.

[@brainsnot]

when he started talking to her at Monet's I was already weirded out, at I found it strange no one even looked at him because in the real world you can't have a full blown conversation with an imaginary person 'sitting' in front of you in a cafe no?

[@nosiphodywili35]

They should have focused on his schizophrenia instead of all the other stuff.. That would have kept with the mental illness theme.

[@Xehanort10]

It got even worse in Season 4. He was blacking out, losing time, hallucinating Bryce and Monty, disassociating and ending up in random places not remembering how he got there. Then the show ended up saying it was just anxiety even though it was more serious than that.

[@chelsea8736]

I really kept waiting for them to introduce a discussion about psychosis or schizophrenia or something like that in regards to Clay. I thought they were finally going to introduce that in the last season, they spent so much time focusing on his decline, and then wasted the opportunity for what would have been a far more compelling and appropriate discussion versus what actually happened. Incredibly disappointing. The show made a ton of questionable choices where they had a potentially good opportunity to discuss difficult aspects of mental health and the human psyche.

[@_s.f_115]

4:32 IM CRYING ALL OVER AGAIN 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@rebeccalally8669]

Yes! While I think an examination of *why* some boys are so angry that they will kill their classmates ir children definitely has its place, the fact that Tyler's story is built quietly up throughout the entire season and then left on this note of sympathy and this idea that any student could stop a school shooting with his niceness, or that he should even be protected from the law is irresponsible story telling at best. Somehow even worse than the "if we are nicer to people, they won't kill themselves" that season one ended on. (I was very happy they immediately cleared that up in season 2 via the character of Skye. Yikes. Be nice to people, but the mentally ill need doctors and professional help, as well.)

[@niedermitderjagd1968]

I personally felt that the last szene was pretty unrealistic. Tylers story was told really well and for me its the true issues in this show. Hannah had friends and a life she could life on. Tyler lost so much more and had so much less to live for and thats why he never would have stopped for Clay. In a realistic situation Clay could have never stopped him. If Tyler didnt want to kill Clay he would have tried to go around him, shoot him so he cant follow or smth like that. Tylers not dumb and he said for himself "i have to". Theres no way you stop a shooter with saying "I dont want you to die". Due to the real outcome of this szene, they never should have included it. The show was over after the dance. Tylers attempt of a shooting was a made up cliffhanger.

[@angeappreciation]

My main problem with this show was how it glorified suicide in a way. Hannah blamed everyone else for her suicide and while some of them may have made her think the way she did, there were others who wanted to help her and tried to help her. She blamed people for 1) things they didn’t even do and 2) things they couldn’t change. She never got help for mental help and refused ANY help given, yet blamed those people for not helping. She screamed “LEAVE” to Clay then got mad at him for leaving? He didn’t want to leave and refused for a while but she pushed him away.

[@marksuckinbgber6792]

This reminded me of your old content, I miss it a lot haha.

[@HorseJoint]

It's been awhile since you did a video like this

[@talentleesdorito9771]

I cant forget the mop scene i cant

[@stephski2274]

Been waiting for this one lol thanks

[@quinnlydh]

I think the message is something along the lines of "There's more to a story than what we know" in a way that like, monsters aren't always monsters, and the "good guys" aren't inherently good. Idk. To me it speaks on people like Tyler (school shooters) that do terrible things to others to counter what others have done to him. We paint these people (like Tyler) as monsters, without really looking into the reason they do what they do. Granted, a lot of Tyler's problems come from him not handling things well, or in other words, his attitude. Like, when he told the girl he liked that he didn't really like her because she was boring, just to avoid the while jiz incident, but ultimately that made it worse. When he was raped in the bathroom he decided to shoot up the school rather than get help. He just, doesn't handle things well

[@audreyhendrix9737]

13 Reasons Why makes Insatiable look like a godsend.

[@tafanadir429]

Yaay the video essay format!

[@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis]

You understand that when it comes to teen suicide not everyone is sympathetic. One of the biggest issues is not feeling comfortable with seeking help or talking about it.

[@grey-vb7ox]

I actually felt like Bryce getting away with probation was pretty accurate to what happens in the real world.

[@trinaq]

Sierra Yes, it's sad, but it happens more frequently than we'd care to admit. The show runners researched similar cases, such as the Brock Turner trial, which had the same outcome.

[@PolkaDot590]

Yeah, I get that it's realistic but the whole point of season 2 was marketed as 'Justice for Hannah' which didn't happen? They finished off with no difference to how the season started which was pointless and kinda annoying.

[@lioneart19]

Besides, Bryce is a teen that was being judged not as the serial rapist that he is, but as a guy that raped one girl, Jessica, because no other girl reported him.

[@SwordOfTheRaven]

Caitriona Quigley the show was really about moving on from trauma not getting justice for Hannah

[@GummyDinosaursify]

Unfortunately, once you throw in the "Well, look at his future in sports" line, people like him usually get away with it in real life. Which is just disgusting. It's like saying that sports are more important than the life of the victim. + Paulo Junior You get longer probation for getting caught smoking pot without a licence.

[@dylanvscomics8138]

I honestly didn’t see the point in making a season 2, but now a season 3? That...seems a bit much, doesn’t it? How much do you have to remind us about how horrible the world is?

[@Rachel-fl3tq]

my thoughts exactly. the story is over. katherine langford isnt even coming back for s3 so what more is there to say??

[@pyroshayniac1090]

They really want to get in a really horrifying abortion scene for even more shock value.

[@GummyDinosaursify]

They've got to have... MONEY.

[@iansarmiento23]

Well, that's America for you. I'm from Australia

[@Batman-lj1mo]

I heard Neflix can't cancel a show until it has 4 seasons. After that they can if it overall didn't do well.

[@kaifahrlender8324]

This show misrepresents so many things about suicide 1. It makes it look like all suicidal teen's problems are from over dramatic teen problems 2. It romanticizes suicide at times 3. It makes it look like suicidal people just want revenge, are selfish, and don't want help So many mental health organizations have discredited this show, saying it is painting suicidal people wrongly, and how now the public is just gonna go off of this show

[@kaifahrlender8324]

Angelisa Hassan I know, but most of the stuff is mediocre teenage stuff they dramatized that everyone goes through, I think I Hate Everything explained it best, he has a pretty insightful video

[@niedermitderjagd1968]

@kenneth1803 Did you know that, that is your interpretation of the show? To 1. Wait what? "Rape" is overdramatic now? To 2. How does it do that? The show shows pretty clear how much effect a suicide has on other people and that its the ultimate choice you cant change. To 3. Again, how does the show do that? Who the F thinks that Hannah represents all peole who are suicidal or did suicide? To "4". And so many health orgas have not. The show tells the story about ONE girl.

[@kaifahrlender8324]

R8Zio 1. I never said rape was overdramatic, the rape thing was the only thing that could actually lead to suicide, the rest seem like teen problems 2. It romanizes it by having the whole "boy chases miserable girl and will change her heart and they will fall in love, but he was too late and he is now heartbroken forever" cliche 3. I've seen a lot people taking this show as the "suicidal teen guide" and many suicidal people have said this show straight up misrepresents them and makes them feel worse because this show is the mainstream representation for suicide now 4. And yes, many mental health organizations have critiqued the show

[@kaifahrlender8324]

I found a video that pretty much explains everything kzbin.info/www/bejne/fF60k4drfr-tjas

[@niedermitderjagd1968]

@kenneth1803 1. Watch again and tell me all others things are "teenage drama". People killed theirselves for less, whats your point? 2. not a cliche. 3. who are those suicidal people to judge about another? everyone has its own reason, the show shows us one aspect of life and suicide. Regarding your recommended video: To adress all of this i would have to make video. Why does "Nitpix" say these characters make no sense? How can he say that? Does he know how humans react in the real world? Is he an expert on human behavior? Most of those characters make sense to me, most of the emotions, thoughts, actions and reaction shown on the show, i experienced in my life. Why do you believe him?

[@xosweeterplace7812]

the one thing that i thought was weird about season 2 was that a lot of the plot was just an afterthought of season 1. for example, they obviously didn't plan that hannah and zach would get together in season 2 while they were making/filming season 1. hannah obviously forgave zach for what he did since she had sex with him and dated him for the entire summer. so... why is he even on the tapes? it doesn't make sense. that was clearly an afterthought of season 1.

[@selenkakarli]

good for luke the thing with zach happened AFTER they dated, so thats why she was upset with him

[@xosweeterplace7812]

Karolina Krupa no... i'm pretty sure it happened before. if it happened after, why wouldn't she mention the fact that he was embarrassed to be with her on the tapes? also, her hair was long when zach stole her compliments, but when the new school year begun, she cut it all off.

[@xosweeterplace7812]

Angelisa Hassan then why didn't she mention the fact that he was embarrassed of her on the tapes? why is her hair still long when he steals her compliments?

[@amineaboutalib]

Angelisa Hassan no it happened before , as he even apologized in his first time seeing her at the Cinema

[@xosweeterplace7812]

Amine Aboutalib thank you. that's what i thought. i thought i remembered him apologizing.

[@fbspin]

Is it just me or all of the popular teen shows on netflix are super dark like 13rw, riverdale... I wonder what it means..

[@Georgiakogk]

fbspin they are attractive for some reason

[@yellowsnow3115]

It’s all them edgy teens, I would know because I have a few in my class

[@larasnows3133]

Yellow Snow Not only edgy teens. All of the popular “preppy” kids in my class watch those shows.

[@charlottegadea]

"popular preppy kids" I personally think you don't need to be put in a certain category to be able to like/watch a show.

[@izzy1356]

"The difference between tragedy and comedy is whether it happens to you or not." Teens are just really enthralled with drama that doesn't personally involve them. Whether that's good or not I honestly don't know.

[@davidreid6400]

the biggest problem with "13 Reasons Why" Season 2 It was Made.

[@iloveyouPOPOY]

Unknown_T0_Life and now they’re on to the 3rd season 😪

[@razgaros]

Am I the only one who finds it hard to give a shit about suicide in a country were mass shootings happens every other week? I'm mean it's sad people kill themselves, but at least that's their choice. I also think the revenge aspect of the show is pretty fucking stupid. Girl ya dead, either you have other shit to deal with now, or you don't have anything to deal with at all. Either way, your no longer concerned.

[@iloveyouPOPOY]

razgaros i mean yeah it may seem absurd but you have a point. They really need to fix their problems with their gun laws it's getting scarier as time passes by and these politicians are putting money first instead of doing their job in serving the best interest of the people. The first season was enough for me. In my opinion, season 2 and 3 is a bitt of an overkill. But what can we do? The love their money.

[@amethyst4zhy]

razgaros Yeah that's very true.

[@LucarioLuke]

Guys I respect your opinion that you don't like the show. Simple..don't watch it?

[@klaradedkova2468]

The biggest thing that pissed me off was the fact that she blamed Mr. Porter for actually listening to her? I don't know what she wanted him to do or say but in my opinion he did everything he could. Seeing him breaking down in the court room pissed me off so much that I legit wanted to stop watching the show. She terrorized everyone even after she killed herself, Mr Porter or Clay, thee scene where she literally almost drives him crazy so much that he wants to kill himself just to not hear her anymore was so fucking painful to watch. Like am I supposed to root for this chick?

[@klaradedkova2468]

Also, Jessica just sleeps with Justin even though (if I remember correctly) she freaked out when she kissed Alex? That's extremely unrealistic for a rape victim, correct me if I'm wrong

[@aprvurmom]

Exactly!!!!

[@Chellips]

YES!! Hannah is the worst character

[@kikigaisidou]

He literally said to her "get over it" and it's her fault? You don't say things like that to rape victims or suicidal people. And he could talk to her parents about her being suicidal.

[@sofiayoung9660]

@@kikigaisidou I agree, but it is NOT his fault entirely. But that logic, anyone in the show are to blame for not doing anything in time, even Hannah herself.

[@nyxldx]

I love how many people forget the actual story from the book. *BOOK SPOILERS* In the book, we learn everything from Clay's point of view and only through his eyes - as well as Hannah's tapes about the other characters. Other than that we don't get to know them at all, we barely interact with them don't really know what they even look like. (Which kinda sucks because I would have loved to see an epilogue in the book where every person has heard the tapes and meet one another or a look at how it changes them. We only hear about the effect of one character and that's only in one sentence, nothing detailed) In the end, I think the show lost the message from the book. Be careful what you're saying because you don't really know how someone's life really is. By the end of the book, Clay sends the tapes to the next person and finally learns the signs of suicide which leads to talk to his old crush who seems to suffer in silence like Hannah did. I find the ending of the book much more fitting (although admittedly it does lack of few things ) No hate to the fans of the show. Just wanted to share my opinion. Alex did a great job at the video and I'm very happy he listened out request

[@silverkyre]

Sofia. F Yeah it's why I enjoyed the book. It delivered that message well. My book had quotes from people who wrote the author and how it had helped them see that other people might need help or just someone to talk too.

[@arianator9326]

Thank you for this comment! I loved the book because the ending was fitting and the message was way more clear, just wish they could've done that for the show as well.

[@nyxldx]

Dylan Wolfie nope

[@anothercub6958]

Sofia. F Thanks, my hatred for that scene just grew...

[@nyxldx]

Dylan Wolfie I hated too But yeah other than the tapes, nothing happens to Tyler in the books. If I remember correctly he's the one character I mentioned above, whom we see through Clay's eyes how the tapes changed him in matters of behavior

[@avagrace3348]

I'm so glad you finally did this.

[@heatherchandler724]

Im so mad at u for giving me that drain cleaner VERONICA-

[@coralrose5754]

Heather Chandler It was JD’s idea :

[@isabellam8638]

I felt like Alex Standall’s suicide storyline was more realistic than Hannah’s (maybe to it being more subtle), coming from personal experience. We see more of the “warning signs” in season 1, ultimately leading to his suicide attempt. However I do believe the show portrays mental illness terribly.

[@queendsheena1]

Thank you, Alex, for another thought-provoking video essay. These issues are hard to bring into fiction and tv shows. Done right or wrong it is essential to understand the message being conveyed.

[@madting8082]

queendsheena1 thank you!! ^^

[@merikijiya13]

As a writer I can definitely say bringing tough issues like these to the front are important but it’s a thin line between the story being provoking when done correctly and it being laughable when done wrong.

[@DashawnLoves]

The reason S1 made more sense than S2 is because it had a source material to go off of and they tried to interpret it as best as they could. While S2 is basically a giant "what if" scenario with drama cliches that felt more unnecessary than informative and bringing self awareness. The book is clearly not meant to be stretched out this long but as usual Hollywood takes something good and destroys it by turning it into a cash cow

[@DashawnLoves]

Angelisa Hassan because the way they handled it. They didn't do it in a way so it can branch off from the book like most shows.No one would've had a problem with it because it wouldn't effect the original source in anyway and they're doing their best to make it fresh with characters you're familiar with. But noo They did it by adding on to the original making it pointless so they can try and turn it into this trendy phenomenon for teens by using people with mental health problems as an accuse to be assholes and to add "shock-value" and "drama".

[@silverkyre]

Angelisa Hassan Anne of Green Gables has a ton of books what are you talking about? It's somewhere along the lines of 12. Also it's not about being a fan of the books in this case is that you can feel the lack of a foundation to the show when it no longer has a source material.

[@BenjiXAddictX4Ever]

That is gross how they are turning a story originally about warning signs of someone suicidal and what bullying can do into a cash cow. It's truly disgusting.

[@gee2541]

BenjiXAddictX4Ever It really is so gross ugh

[@laurenaghost]

Alex, you're doing amazing sweetie

[@tambuko8075]

Yo the old format! Noice

[@Rodrigo-ei4ht]

Ayye someone else that remembers the old ways thought have been lost to the subscriber count.

[@nitrosherbert888]

Rodrigo Now there's all these videos are like you doing this show is bad but I still love it

[@Ichsukatanuka]

Nooooice.

[@SimoneUmba]

I knew this video was coming. I love your commentary.

[@letsbehappy6967]

Me too. He's doing a great job

[@haasher10]

this show is really unnecessary!! i understand what the show and writers are trying to do.. these conversations need to happen but they take it way too far!! and they just renewed for a S3.... which is great -_-

[@stupidityisadiseasegetwell5175]

YOitsNat this show is supposed to be a message to the masses but I see 13 RW stans telling people NOT to watch it more then they recommend it

[@flors628]

Writers and producers only care about the money now. They could care less about the message. At first I’m sure they really tried to get their message across and have a conversation, but now it’s just all about money

[@4everbuffylover]

thats because the shows way of starting a conversation is through controversy. To get controversy you have to show something extreme and so far out of whats typically viewed as acceptable. Thats where you get the unnecessarily graphic and violent scenes. there isnt any class or finese to the scenes. its much harder to write subtlety than it is to just barrel through and show every last detail. but this show brings up a more important question in my opinion. How far is TOO far. just because something happens in real life does not mean it needs be shown in graphic detail on a tv show. People have been so scarred by what they've watched and no trigger warning could have prepared them for what was shown. implication when done correctly is just as powerful

[@reyze4056]

The show went too far when they decided to put a FUCKING GHOST in it. LOL but I still think it was Clay's imagination.

[@4everbuffylover]

it WAS clay's imagination

[@penderrin1637]

As someone currently in high school and at one point was bullied, the show fails miserably in showing an actual high school, it is way to overdramatized.

[@melodramaticdoll]

That one scene with Tyler's assault still haunts me. I still get flashbacks. It was brutal and very unnecessary: they still could've told this specific assault story in so many other ways that were not so raw. And I know that in the moment of watching the scene you are like "OH NO!", but it stays with you after that, like how that one movie you saw when you were 5 years old is still with you today. And this comment is coming from someone who loves horror films, because of the adrenaline. But that in particular gave me fear, but in its vulnerable gut-wrenching form, and I will never forgive the show for doing that to me and then, on top of that, leaving me hanging...

[@tambuko8075]

Legend has it if you are early Alex Meyers hearts... It's just a legend

[@cromwelltheconqueror3430]

You didn't put in enough enters

[@dana.j5185]

She did.

[@av3r3st24]

yup, just a legend.

[@atheris1641]

Indeed, it is just a legend

[@shahida_d]

The worst is that it's been renewed for a 3rd season.

[@lesliecardenas921]

Shahida Doucouré because of tyler 3rd Season is about tyler also Chloe becuz shes pregenant

[@shahida_d]

Joud Alborno I liked season 1 but I think season 2 was unnecessary and making a 3rd one will be unnecessary as well, so this is just my opinion

[@mels1025]

Leslie Cardenas WAIT I NEEVER KNEW SHE WAS WTF

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@Joud Alborno we won't, but it's getting too much undeserved attention, which is disturbing and stupid and we are here to tell our thoughts about how it SHOULDN'T have the attention that it gets. Problem pal?

[@Biojack222]

@@lesliecardenas921 I watched season 3 and def think it's better than season 2, but the ending of s3 was just plain bad.

[@horner385]

Hey at least the actors were good The protagonist is incredible, a shame that the writing is meh The dialogue is basically adults trying to figure out what a teenager would say

[@Chandasouk]

Unbelievably bad show

[@Chandasouk]

Chidz Hustle but, but they're "starting a discussion. " goodness gracious.

[@yournan116]

Chidz Hustle that's all people care about writing and how writers make bad decisions just watch the show and stop saying wow the writers should've don't this you have you realize this is a still a fictional show with fictional characters who knows what wouldn't happen if Justin was standing there instead if clay or something along those lines these people are human and make stupid decisions but they're still characters

[@anothercub6958]

freddie stompy This is a fictional show with fictional characters that the writers have control over. The whole mop scene was abrupt, unprompted, and just straight up random. It ultimately served to just shock the audience and hammer in that "the whole world is fucked up" thing. Which is pretty damn stupid on their part because they established that in like, the first 5 episodes. The mop scene was just pointless.

[@yournan116]

Dylan Wolfie exactly not everything has to have meaning otherwise every show would be like 7 episodes and straight to the point it was that men are also being bullied and fucked with and that was also the breaking point for Tyler so I guess they wanted to go as far as possible for us to sympathize with him

[@LatinaGothGirl]

freddie stompy thank u

[@ptibab73]

The only reason why Tyler didn't kill everyone is because this is hard to make a third season with everybody dead. And like you said, I have more empathy for Tyler than I had for Hannah in the first season.

[@tambuko8075]

Love the background music Btw.

[@jlapointe36]

I've never commented on a video before, so here's a first... as a mental health professional, I cringe at some of the dramatization of 13 Reasons Why. But I really appreciated the second season. It showed there are multiple perspectives that are valid to every story, and did a good job at being nuanced regarding these complex experiences people go through each day. To say season two was bad because it didn't "take a stance" is completely missing the point of the show. Because it was, very much, taking one. I see it everyday in my office. The back and forth. The people who inadvertently cause a reaction in another's life. I actually thought season 2 reconciled some of the unhealthy aspects of season 1 by showing the multiple perspectives. And, unfortunately, as terrible as it is, the progression of Tyler Down is fairly accurate. The fact they make it sympathetic to the viewer is the same risk they take in season one - not to promote the activity, but to voice how such a tragic activity can come out of experience after experience, so we can have a conversation and hopefully, as a society, affect some actual change. You said the message of this show is a level of helplessness the characters feel. That occurs, day to day, for thousands of teens and people in general. Do not minimize it. We do need to talk about it. And at least 13 Reasons Why is starting hundreds of conversations that have been taboo to discuss in the past.

[@afra6353]

PREACH

[@kakkoiihusbandohikkikomori6847]

"The Biggest Problem with 13 Reasons Why." Selena Gomez being executive producer.

[@varshasudeesh8122]

0k I don't get it what's the problem with that 😐

[@galaxyocicat5660]

Did she handle the writing or something

[@CaptainSwanEternity]

I've seen a lot of season 2 reviews and while every one had somehow of a valid point I think you nailed it. That's why I love watching your videos, they make sense, they are straight forward and your point actually makes sense.

[@danielhernandez2575]

Anette Clark IHE has multiple cohesive points, only reason his video is so long though is for how flawed this shitty fucking show actually is.

[@CaptainSwanEternity]

Oh definitely, I agree with a lot of the points he made and I appreciate how brutally honest he is no matter what.

[@niedermitderjagd1968]

@Anette Clark how is he "brutally honest"? He just says something many people felt while watching the show. But thats not the truth. Its his personal view of the show. For me season 2 or even season 1 doesnt have to have a message. Its a story. Tell me the message of "Three billdboards outside ebbing, missisouri". Is there a message? I dont see one. Tell me the message of "Star wars", i dont see one. I enjoyed watching Season 2 of 13RW. I wanted to see what the characters will say at court. I wanted to see how they develop and the actions in Season 2 made, in most cases, sense to me. Sometimes a story is what it is, no hidden message, no moral of the story, just a story.

[@CaptainSwanEternity]

R8Zio True, a show doesn't have to have a point or a message but 13rw is being promoted for its message. The writers, the cast, everyone says the point of the show IS to send a message.

[@niedermitderjagd1968]

@Anette Clark Then listen to their message. It doesnt have to be the way how you see the show. I saw Interviews and some mentioned things about "sexual assault" and "rape". I think i somehow can get that message for the show, still its not what i see. Jessica, as a "victim of rape" had a big role in it. Chloe also had her story told and how you still stick to bad people even if you could know how bad they are. I could relate to them. A friend of mine was beaten up by her boyfriend, she went to the police too late cause she felt ashamed for it.

[@gillettewow4667]

Y’know this probably doesn’t excuse Hanna’s behavior with her not even trying to get help. But people with depression tend to not think rationally. They think that they would just be a burden to those who loved them. I feel like they wanted to go to this path, but they didn’t do it properly.

[@LittleSkyful]

The justice system is just fucked up and they wanted to show it. But the main point was to point out other perspectives. So in the end its still the same Hannahs death was final and pointless. I think thats better rather than to say "Oh her death meant something". Like justice for everyone.

[@bincabonka]

Would you ever consider making a podcast! Btw loved the video and your perspective on 13 reasons why❤️😊

[@cowplum946]

Beebuzz really cool idea would like to listen while doing something else would totally listen

[@bincabonka]

Chelsdagr8 yeah i love podcasts because I like to listen to them when I’m cleaning or doing something😊😊

[@stphmcly]

I think season two was more focused on the bullying culture in schools than about a conclusion to Hannah’s story and they maybe did that to show that suicide will never have a conclusion and that Hannah’s story and her pain will forever live on in the people she knew, in her killing herself it transferred everything she felt in to people like her mum and clay effectively shown through clays hallucinations. It seemed like it was to start a conversation about more than suicide. I feel like the message of season three- especially since they focused on the court room situation- was how fucked up the justice system is and the part with Justin and Bryce is showing how people with money can buy their way out of situations without ever having to face the consequences. Tyler’s story is hard to watch but that’s the point, stuff like that happens and nobody does anything but when people like Tyler lash out and get their hands on a gun it isn’t looked at as a preventable situation but more of just who can we pin the blame on, people will maybe shed a tear but will just go back to their own little bubble. I personally am interested in how season 3 will carry on the story of Tyler and to see if it brings more topics of discussion to light, like school shootings, especially after all the protesting recently I think I will be very interesting to see what 13rw has to say. Also don’t come for me because I failed my English exam so I’m shit at analysing. Also also sorry for the length but I feel like I could go on forever about 13rw.

[@elmavukicevic7602]

exactly

[@ChanUndSo]

That it exist 😑

[@shwetabalagopal65]

I felt that jessica's courtroom speech was probably the most accurately executed scene. And when they all hugged clay at the dance. Those were probably the only scenes tht made sense

[@purplesound5]

Well I understand yout point of view Alex. My understanding of the show is that we can keep offering help to the victims of bullying but what Tyler's storyline tought us is that we should shift the attention to the bullies and not just punish them only in the end. A bullied person wouldn't exist in the first place if the bully gets the attention and is placed in a program that actually teaches them better ways to act without violence. We see Tony having problems with the law for expressing unnecessary violence when he comes from justified feelings of redicule and need to protect himselt but we see him wanting to control his anger. On the other hand we see people like Bryce and Montgomery commiting violence without any justified feelings, as if they are evil just to be evil without having any ounce of humanity. The real tragedy is that Tyler wanted to be better, control himself and see the good in people after he finished his programme. He accepted all that he lost, the girl that he liked and his 1 friend. He was almost ready to possibly move on until the world came crushing down again and that was the last drop. How can you blame him? The system failed him because it focused on teaching him how to deal with bullying, self-confidence and forgiving himself for his mistakes but there is no system for the bullies unless they actually do destroy someone's life, then we deal with them. So Tyler was labeled as a critical case by the school, his file sitting on a counsellor's desk because he needs support but no one asked why? Why does he need support? Why is he a critical case? Who is causing this situation? He gets help while the bullies are free to roam the school corridors. How is that gonna change anything?

[@zoeledwards6617]

It see so many KZbinr videos on why 13 reason why so terrible. If Alex is doing a video, it now confirmed that this show must be really horrible

[@niedermitderjagd1968]

Because Alex is the one person you trust blindly? How about you make your own opinion about the show? How did you feel when you watched it? Was it good? Was it bad? What feelings did YOU have?

[@noratybjerg343]

I missed this Alex Meyers

[@jordanterry2854]

Please do season 3 haha

[@theroadrunner6880]

The thing about 13 reasons why season 2 is that these stories are based on real life stories. Injustice, bullying, rape. This whole season was really good to be honest. They did real life issues, and showed them. Tyler did not become a hero. The point of season 1 was for a vicitm to see there is a way out from your dark thoughts, you can get help. Season 2 was showing how hard it is to see mental health issues, and they had the realistic approach. I get people thought it was too hard of a hit but keep in mind these scenarios actually did happen. They are based on real life stories.

[@imspoon7188]

Heidi Mota they did nothing with the the bathroom scene it was literally just there to push him over the edge. It started no discussion it’s a major afterthought in terms of plot and is just kind of shoved aside

[@pipedream2556]

I believe that that's what the creators THOUGHT they were making, the point Alex is making is that what they actually put forward doesn't do that. You can want that to be what the show does all you want, but he's right when he explains the ways in which this premise suffers from people being unrealistic, how there's no structure to lead the show forward, how stuff happens for the sake of evoking a reaction without the right support to get the kind of reaction the creators were hoping for, you know? In the same way that s1 accidentally undermined Hannahs tragedy by portraying a situation far from reality where she could have been helped if she herself hadn't prevented anyone from doing so, s2 accidentally made Tyler a hero by portraying a world where bad people always come out on top if things are done the legal way The more I think about it the more it feels like a show made for some very bad people to enjoy, something for them to point at as validation for their beliefs that suicidal people are just looking for attention and to bring down others, and for people being bullied and considering purchasing a gun to look up to and idolise I highly doubt the creators intended that, but intention doesn't matter in the face of what you actually do

[@galaxyocicat5660]

The final scene was unnecessary and placed there for shock value. Anyone who tries to justify it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[@1800Hernandez]

13 reasons why is not interested in starting a conversation or spreading a message, it is shock value for the sake of shock value

[@anothercub6958]

More like controversial for the sake of views.

[@theinfantmetroid]

Truth

[@deerlord4729]

The worst thing is that there’s actual people stanning, defending, and acting like Justin Foley is innocent. • Just because he testified and served well deserved time doesn’t change the fact he let his girlfriend get raped •• Just because he has a sad Hollywood “my father/step-father abuses” trope doesn’t change the fact he didn’t do anything to stop it; only knocked on the door once before stopping to feel sorry for himself. ••• Just because he lived on the streets and became a drug addict doesn’t change the fact he never told Jessica - making her feel like she’s crazy, resulting in her hanging out with her rapist. •••• Just because he’s now brothers with Clay doesn’t change the fact we wanted to murder Clay for wanting to tell Jessica the truth about what happened to her. Justin Foley is an awful person. He’s a disgusting person (so is Bryce - don’t get me wrong he can burn in Hell. Also Hannah could’ve tried more). But since Justin is attractive he’ll get the fangirl treatment and be loved. It’s just how it works.

[@MusicIsMyRealLife]

Deer Lord even though I see your point, I don't fully agree. Justin felt powerless, in order to intervene, he had to "betray" the one person who took care of him his whole life, and after the fact, he wanted to keep Jessica safe. The distinction stands in the intention : even though I don't condone his lack of action, he never meant to hurt Jessica, while Bryce did.

[@LittleSkyful]

I think your point of view is pretty one-sided. You just point out what he did, but not why. That he was alone, afraid, ashamed, scared to loose everything. Everyone thinks its so easy to tell someone "You got raped by my best friend and I was to scared to do something". How you gonna do it?! You never know how you would react in such a situation, until you're in it. Read about "Fight, Flight or Freeze" Situations. You are one of those. Justin is number 3.

[@darasostek]

Deer Lord not saying Justin is an angel, cause he’s definitely not, but I wouldn’t say that he “let” Jessica get raped; Bryce locked the door and Justin tried to break it down so Bryce wouldn’t be left alone in a room with Jessica. On the other hand, Hannah was IN the room and didn’t do anything while she saw and heard Jessica being raped (not victim blaming at all, just simply stating a fact).

[@Will-qv6es]

Yes, because nobody ever feels bad for what they have done. And not to forget he was also drunk, thus not in his normal frame of mind. Don't get me wrong, it was horrible, and he majorly fucked up. But that's the point. He fucked up. Unlike Bryce, who deliberately made the decision to rape her.

[@amethyst4zhy]

LittleSkyful Exactly Thats Like A Homo-Sexual Telling Their Parents They Are "Gay" It's Hard But You Have To Do It At One Point.

[@Cllocopine]

Season 2 was simply just made to earn money and satisfy all the fans. I agree that I as well want to know what happens after but season 2 was just so different and off topic from the first season until the very last episode of season 2. The first season being a really tough to watch with harsh scenes of sexual assault and bullying and suicide, the characters were confused and didn't know what to do and the viewers and Clay wanted to know what actually happened. And then the second season comes and everyone is trying to move on and everything which is fine but they don't have a goal and neither does the viewers except for wanting Bryce to go to jail.

[@yasmin4494]

I think a lot of people missed the point of season two. It showed the aftermath of Hannah's actions and the fact that a lot of people DID care about her

[@ish90c]

thnk you so much for this video. I felt the exact same thing about the show.... we live in a messed up world, and even though you don't "live" the horrors it entails, you don't necesarily watch YA series to get up and personal with tough situations. Personaly I felt physicaly sick with Tyler scene and completely understood his position and final episode decision, which imo is sending a completely self destructive message to teens everywhere! In that show bullies run free, parents go by without noticing a thing or being able to do anything for their kids, and teens are handling way too much on their own.

[@ish90c]

Overall I am not going to watch the season 3... I rather spend my time watching something else.

[@Hannah-jl4pw]

So the show shows how victims of sexual assault never get redemption and the predators get away with it... how does that help victims? won’t that make people LESS likely to come forward as this shows no one will do anything about it? and people won’t believe you????

[@jessicalynn7240]

i am a victiem and my rapist ran free. it has been 2 years now. and i am not the only one he has raped. But after ive gone threw tharepy and had love ones help me. i dont really care if he gor free. Dont get me wrong i still hate him and i wish he is dead but i dont remind myself that he got free i dont keep putting myself down because he got free. he will get his time once another girl says he raped her. thats all im waiting on then he will get charged

[@VishtheFish101]

Season 2 kinda made sense. There was definitely some story to tell especially with the revelations at the end. But damn season 3 and 4 might have damaged society's views of these deep issues the show tries to cover. So dumb.

[@amyar6127]

I agree with your opinion 100%

[@SharkWarrior35]

13 reasons why is just a terrible show trying to display mental illnesses in a real world and fails as it try’s to be entertaining to the audience as well. But at least they are getting people to discuss mental illness which is good. EDIT: Could you do a video on Krypton or westworld tv show?

[@VickyNaomiz]

This show is speaking to young people, easily impressionable, they see the rapists and other criminals getting away with everything, what does this teach them? Besides Hannah's suicide storyline goes totally against the rules that the WHO gives on how to deal with suicide.

[@anothercub6958]

vicky naomi I don't think this is supposed to "teach" anyone anything. It "tries to start a conversation" on teen suicide, but even then, they didn't do that good a job with that.

[@katiefedele1813]

vicky naomi it's supposed to make you angry because it happens in real life.

[@VickyNaomiz]

It is, but I don't trust today's teenagers to not imitate the shit they see on the show, werther effect is just the start

[@imspoon7188]

Katie Fedele yeah but it doesn’t really make anyone angry. The show has done nothing positive. It’s pretty bad at what it set out to do

[@LinaMed]

I think they want to show things the way they are, for instance with what happened (or did not happened) to Bryce... I'd hate the show if it was like "all is well, bad guys always lose, the world is a wonderful place". Let's be honest, guys like Bryce usually find a way to get away with... everything. Nothing we can do. What I didnt like on season 2, is the way school didnt handle things. Season 1 was a lesson "the way we treat each others and look out for each others... it has to get better somehow" (clay 1x13) They could have done SO MUCH more to stop bullying! That's the wrong message. Maybe they cannot do anything about justice in court, but they could have done something in their own high school! They only thing they did was to forbid every conversation about suicide. It's like season 1 didnt matter because they didnt do ANYTHING about everything that was going on. Like if they were powerless... if that show want to send a message, that is definitely not the right one

[@nanalove3819]

You describe exactly the problem I have with 13 reasons why. It claims it wants to start a conversation, but shows conversations that fails all the time. It wants to say there is other solution and you can get help, but it shows you that things never change. That there is no justice, and never will. There is no positivity or solutions, just darkness. Of course I don't expect a show about suicide to be all joy and unicorns. But maybe shows that the world is not as dark as it may seem. That there are people willing to help, and who will succeed in helping you. That things will get better, that there is justice in this world. Just that.

[@taniani884]

Teenage suicide: **exists** 13ReasonsWhy: let’s make it a show

[@madinam3540]

Actually I liked season 2 , first of all we saw the other side of Hannah's story . And it shows how everything is in real world , it is not easy to get justice, but who knows what is going to happen in season 3 (I don't know why I saw this video 1 year later)

[@woolypuffin392]

Yeah the show is great for blaming the victim... Its like saying she dressed slutty and flirted to she deserved to get raped. Really?

[@mariastoica3721]

I honestly liked this show. I completely agree with what you said, but the only thing that really bothered me was Hannah's character. I guess I didn't feel that sorry for her, considering she blamed some things on people that aren't really bad.

[@Sofia-ssn]

can we just like talk about the editing in these videos

[@cassieberringer7427]

Although this is a slightly more peripheral subject, what I think the show did really well and I really appreciated was the realism of the experience the students were having as current-day high school students. I thought this show could be a really effective message to parents to understand what life is like for the modern teenager. Personally I found that my parents were clueless and when I was in high school and college dealt with things my parents had zero idea I was struggling with. Too many adults don't comprehend the difficulties the modern teenager has to endure and navigate. Alex, you said you didn't think season 2 had a message, but I personally saw it screaming in every episode to parents to get involved with their kids lives and to truly care and invest in them. Messed up or distant parents create messed up and detached kids. I know that's a broad statement, but the lack of good parenting I believe is a major factor.

[@silexxeedits]

Actually the real reason why i KINDA liked the season 2 is because the fact that bryce was not punished for what he did wich was really realistic because rapist rarely are accused

[@flyingmintbunny1286]

Please tell me you plan to address season 3...its pretty bad..

[@alexmockingjay]

While I don't like 13 reasons why and the way it portrays mental illness, I feel that maybe they could have done a second season if they had made a completely separate story. A story of complete different people that have no connection to the school, to hannah or anything from season 1. Since season 1 was based on the entire book, this season could have been a totally new 'book' while still focusing on the different aspects they wanted to (making the new focus character a school shooter in the making, sexual assault, etc). It would have portrayed a better sense of the real world and not have made the shows world (the highschool) so abysmal and hopeless. There also won't have been the whole Hannah's ghost thing and Clay's omnipotent power to change people. It should have been a different stories with different characters with each season.

[@gratitude7023]

ChocoMint that’s how it was originally intended to be; an anthology series but the creators decided to keep the original characters and expand on them and the story.

[@shann1946]

I ended up liking Jessica and Alex so much because they really did care for Hannah. Hannah has just gotten the wrong idea from their actions. I liked how accurate some of this was to real life. It tells us how we should be aware and careful of how we speak and act. However it also shows how Hannah's lack of communication messed up relationships and her perception. They should have done Tyler's story a bit different though like he should be punished for shooting but then the bullies dealt with.

[@wannabe-01]

Season 2 was sooo dragged out. I didn't like it. It just felt "tagged" on. and now a season 3? I fell like this is just milking a show, that cant be milked ?

[@saarahwaheed8480]

For English Class I was reading the novel “Nineteen Minutes” by Jodi Picoult. Basically it was about the aftermath of one of the main protagonists (Peter Houghton) shooting up his school. Now while I reading the novel I couldn’t help but become more sympathetic to Peter and his story. Which made me question how we view school shooters and those troubled kids. Like Tyler was being bullied like Peter and he had enough of the abuse, but it felt justified and it felt like he did what he had to do to stop whatever was going on with him. I feel like that’s what these authors and the writers of the show was trying to do. Where they trying to make us question our morals and make us ask ourselves who is really the victim of a school shooting? Because of course people like Peter commit these crimes and they are the cause of an everlasting wound to these families, but do we have to know more about them to sympathize with them and their crime? It really questions your morals and how you view the world, also I love you videos Alex keep up the good work!

[@Michael.Gr3y]

That's not even the worse part. Clay really gets handle the hot potato on this season. Not only does he discovers that Hannah was not that innocent or a victim as she liked to believe as seen through her tapes, but he's once again the one having to juggle with the mess Hannah left. Honestly if there's a season 3 (and I hope there isn't) I can see Clay dying in the end. Either he's killed or he kills himself. The guy already has his own issues. Main issue being he's still in love with Hannah even after everything. But now he's likely the one to take the fall for Tyler. And who knows what else. I guess if there's any message in this show. Is that those that commit suicide fuck the lives of everyone that cared about them in life. That in the end those are the ones that pay the real price. Because in the end Hannah is dead and this is no longer her issue, but those that are alive are now paying for her petty revenge just because she killed herself believing she had no one to turn to, when in fact she had all the reasons to live. Like in that scene in Season 1 where we saw that if she had accepted Clay's help she would not have killed herself. The two would begin dating. And we even saw that scene where it seemed Clay was telling Hannah mother how they were getting married or something like that. Hannah could've had that future instead she decided to mess up everyone's life. But who cares right?! She's dead so it isn't like this is gonna backfire on her. Clay and Tyler so far are the ones that have paid the heaviest price. And if there's a season 3, then it might very well be the one we get to see Clay die trying to help someone or in order to get the real culprits to face Justice. He meets Hannah in the afterlife. And this show would then have sent the worse possible message EVER. That if you feel this world isn't for you then don't worry, just die and meet the ones you love on the "other side". 13 Reasons Why at this point needs to move on from this characters and be done correctly with a whole new set of characters. They could even do a show that mimics the game Life Is Strange! It sure would be way better than *13 Reasons Why You Should Not Mess Other People's Lives.*

[@maddie5228]

GreyDraic they did confirm a season 3 for some reason

[@Michael.Gr3y]

froog Already can see where it will lead. Funny how 13 Reasons Why gets renewed despite it having no real message whatsoever. But other much better shows are getting the boot. Go figure!

[@gabbyofosu457]

I understand this....like Hannah was offered help multiple times and she refused it... and the writers still want to portray her as a sad little victim and I'm like well she did inflict alot of this stuff on herself tbh...I also think suicide is quite selfish. I get things may be overwhelming and u might not be able to handle it, but imagine how the people who do love u actually feel? Like it's almost as if you have no regard for them I feel like 13 Reasons Why had thr the potential to be a powerful, impressional show but what they've done to it has ruined any effect it may have on anyone ever.

[@niedermitderjagd1968]

@GreyDraic You thought so much about these Characters and how they had to go trough so much shit. You can relate to Clay, you even can imagine something that might happen to him. Thats how a story should affect the listener. I wish there is a season 3 and you will see it. Maybe the story will suit you. Maybe it will not and you will feel the unfairness of not being able to intervene. You will not be able to change the way things went. Thats makes you think about a story and thats the purpose of it.

[@Michael.Gr3y]

R8Zio Actually I thought only about two characters. The other ones were mostly background noise. Even Hannah mom... Didn't care. Didn't felt anything. If something she's even more in denial than Clay. Tyler... How could I not relate to someone that was so many people I met through Highschool all the way through College!? There is always a Tyler in one's life. But Clay I'm partially mad at him and somewhat proud of him, maybe because he reminds me of who I once was. I was once Clay in many ways. Thankfully I was fortunate enough to never meet a girl like Hannah. Someone that I loved hopelessly and ended up turning my life upside down, in all the bad ways. I mean... Was this show goal to make me feel annoyed by Hannah?! Because if it was the goal then they got it. Because she annoyed me more than made me feel sorry for her, or even angry at her. She's like those ghosts in the horror movies that want to make you pay for stuff you had nothing to do with. In life she failed to see all she had going for her and in death she's messing other people's lives. Hannah is a clear example why I stopped caring for those friends of mine that killed themselves. Once I cared enough to once a year visit their graves and place jasmine and lavender, for they are said that combined they help those that died in suffering to find peace. But eventually as I began to think about their lives and seeing the mess they left behind I stopped going. A part of me, a big chunk really, hoped that if they were trapped between this life and the next, that that was what they deserved. I get it when a person is terminally ill and wants to die. If I was terminally ill and wanted to kill myself I would do it. But not leaving some tapes or messages behind. At best I would leave a note saying I did it because if my life options had mostly ended then I would chose a time when I was still good and happy to go on happy. I would die so I but mostly my true family, to not have to endure seeing me fade away. That's why I'm in favor of that choice. That should be everyone's choice. You're terminally ill... You shouldn't need to travel to another country to die in peace and not leave friends and family in trouble because you chose to end what was already gonna be no life at all just slowly dying in pain. Hannah will never get any sympathy from me. If I had been Clay she was screwed. I would've burned her tapes on the front lawn. Damn the consequences.

[@HiruHeart]

I agree wholeheartedly. You always manage to give us some good fruit for thought... Though, the reason the second season doesn't have much of a purpose is probably because the second season wasn't expected at all, and since the material from the book was covered in the first season, they clearly didn't know what to do. Although I know some people will disagree with me, I think another huge problem with the show in general is that is tries to be both a "teen-drama" and a "PSA" (Public Service Announcement) at the same time. PSAs are meant to spread awareness for something through an announcement. Now, most PSAs know to handle sensitive subjects very carefully, because their purpose is to benefit the viewer and give them a clear understanding of the topic presented to them. Teen dramas strive off drama and benefit from more confusion, more controversy, or just generally being more different. When you put these together, you get a mess like 13 Reasons Why. Since it is a teen drama, the show thrives off the controversy of talking about the topic of suicide and possibly depression (although mental illness was barely addressed in the show from what I've seen.) However, since it's also a PSA it's supposed to serve as some awareness for anyone who might be less educated on that topic, present a sense of realism and maybe even "set and example" for how to handle mental illness if I really was to stretch it. This sort of mix can be dangerous for the viewer, (at least in my opinion) because the show blatantly ignores simplicity and subtlety to spark controversy and promote a shock factor, but at the same time undermine what it's promoting. For example, the scene in season one where Hannah Baker commits suicide its incredibly explicit. To my knowledge, psychologists have even told the script writers they should not explicitly show Hannah Baker slitting her wrists for the sake of viewers who may either think to do the same, or maybe have unwanted memories brought back. To add to that, the original book had her die of an overdose, which is a much less gruesome death. My point is, the reason this scene was included was because it would spark controversy, it's there for shocking the audience and getting them to talk about it. If 13 Reasons Why was ONLY a teen drama, however gruesome that may be I can understand the reason they did it; because they wanted the publicity. However, it's also seen as a PSA, and I mentioned earlier what psychologists think of it, so I'm sure you can easily tell that while it's good for publicity it's not quite good for supporting those who are going through depression and facing suicidal thoughts; meaning it ends up undermining the "true goal" the show is trying to promote. This is only one scene in the two seasons and there's a few more that could be written and handled much better, even the message the show ends up promoting; which seems like "if you're feeling suicidal, nobody is going to help you because its a mean world out there." However that's just my overall opinion and how I see it. I do understand that some believe those explicit scenes are in there for not only shock factor but to give the viewers a taste of reality, and that some who feel uncomfortable about it need to understand that it does happen. And I agree, people need to be aware of it, but there are much better ways to show how real suicide is without showing her wrists getting slit. There are ways to portray the horrid feelings of terror and sadness and confusion people face in multiple situations in the show, but I firmly believe they could have and should have been handled better. I don't mean to cause any arguments; I'm simply stating my opinion.

[@Ichigoberry15]

honestly this is why a show like Degrassi from the original to now is much better.

[@DashinglyEpic]

Ichigoberry15 Degrassi around the early to mid 2000s was great at getting messages across without doing too much

[@evegreenification]

Disagree. Message is clear: the powerful people do bad things, some victims are destroyed and some become part of the problem. Some seek justice and often they get squat for their efforts.

[@cearajennie8001]

I honestly sympathize with tyler too and I think it's unrealistic that he was stopped from doing what he was going to do

[@xosweeterplace7812]

ceara jennie maybe it's unrealistic but maybe it's not. can you imagine the backlash they would have gotten if they had tyler actually go through with it, though?

[@BlackRoseGal180]

I kinda wonder how you felt about the 3rd season 🤔

[@ms.shipsailing9947]

After what happened to tyler my fictional brain was like time Carrie some things up

[@jademackenzie7205]

Making a season two and three of this show was pointless. The book ends after season one and if the show was really focused on how to help people with mental illness, it would have done it's job right

[@telprydain1]

Hannah not seeking help in S1 is half the point. You're supposed to see that she had a way out and that her finial choice was waste of a life. That's half the message. 13 Reasons S2 was a dumpster fire. It even made S1 worse... The 2nd series continues to dwell on all the worst aspects of the first series - we didn't need a 2nd meditation on what's wrong, we needed something that looks at a way forward. The 2nd series SHOULD have been mostly about Skye, about struggling with depression and overcoming it. Clay should be a friend to Skye, there should be no romance/dating there (Hot tip: Romance, sex and dating only adds fuel to the emotional fire of someone in crisis). Series 2 should have been "13 Seasons Why Not" and been a story about people dealing with their shit. It's interesting that series 2 briefly flirts with that idea in the later half, with Hannah's list of "why not". But it's far too little, and serves mostly as a throwaway IMHO. By staying bogged down in the worst of humanity we rob the first series of hope, and we ruin that moment of Clay reaching out to Skye. That's not to say we shouldn't look at what's addressed in Series 2 - but series 2 retreads a lot of what was in series 1, and the new stuff could have been a different show with different characters. I worry that series 2 is everything people worried series 1 was, and worse yet, retroactively transforms series 1 into something it wasn't.

[@yaminipolcum7303]

Rhys Corlett I totally agree! S2 should have somewhat involved a story about someone overcoming their mental illness. I think the show just needs to showcase that although Hannah didn't pursue help, YOU CAN find people who WILL help you.

[@areebar9072]

This show was in no way realistic. It was hell

[@nora4981]

Why is this damn generation so obsessed with 80s themes?

[@suttonmercer1244]

I think many people don't really understand that what they show is pretty much the real world... why do people do shootings in school, people who do horrible things don't get a "fair" sentence, and there are always (at least) two sides of a story ... in this case much more than 2. clay thinks he knew Hannah but she was much different than he thought. through the season he finds out and feels more and more like he didn't knew her at all. I think its a good show. I found it pretty emotional to watch. just my opinion

[@meemers7897]

I miss these style videos so much!!!! I love this, please keep it up

[@RandomSwiftie13]

I'm just happy at Bryce's death in the third season

[@quertyuiop8872]

I hate to be this person but.. the book was really good. Honestly. Yeah it might not have portrayed depression as accurately as it could have but everything about it was much more believable.

[@thesenate5913]

Season 2 became a fan fiction when clay learned how to summon Hannah's force ghost.

[@PietheLibra]

I’ve been waiting for this video for 2 weeks and it’s finally out!! 😁😁😁

[@defiantaichi]

This show both this and first season are incredibly toxic. One, as a parent, I would never let me kid watch something this graphic. I mean. You gotta keep an eye on what they’re watching. You don’t have to control, but you should know what your kids are up too. Teens are not as mature as movie or tv show makers think. I don’t know why the world has this perception that teens are somehow mature enough to watch shows with rape or other violence in it. I am sorry, you’re not. As far as mental problems go. The show had good intentions , but I don’t see how they helped the cause in anyway. Please. Please ask for help if you feel you’re alone or depressed. There will always be professional help and people willing to just listen. I know it’s hard, but please, just talk to someone. You’re not alone.

[@imnotpaulavery7608]

I missed these videos 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@liztcalistre6341]

Wow Tyler's bathroom scene is so powerful. When you played the clip I managed to feel the same sensation I did when I saw it for the first time.

[@aug1014]

I miss these kind of videos

[@yugoxgc]

Honestly If My friend Has suicidal thoughts or some issue like that I'll recomend the anime Acient Magus Bride before 13 reasons. It really surprised me & might be The 1st show that hot me thinking "this could save lives" That show starts with The Lead Girl start In such a Dark place mentaly that się decides Selling Herself as slave to somebody would be an improvement to whatever life she had.. Yeah & you watch Her get up from that. I'd rather show that to ppl Than a show I'd need to be sure they could take terapy after to be sure they didnt get worse. cause thats My issue with All od 13 reasons. It tries to be important, Deep & maybe helpful but if your show needs ppl to have some intervention on stand by in case it actually did more harm Than you need to do better

[@omarelsayed7997]

Why is the screen dirty?

[@nanamxi8049]

For effects

[@nichsketches]

My friend told me this wasn’t the best. Glad to see a video on it.

[@niedermitderjagd1968]

why? you want your friend to be right?

[@elisef8111]

My problem with the show is that it drifts from the book which actually portrayed Hannah very well and how real victims feel. Season one started ok but it drifted to far. Season 2 didn't need to happen because there wasn't a second book so it didn't work like I understand what they were going for but it just fell short.

[@qwerty5843]

I thought my screen was dirty during the video with the overlay you've got going on. I admit I tried to wipe it off.