138. Climate physics w/ Professor William Happer

Princeton Professor Emeritus in Physics, William Happer, joins us to discuss the impact of CO2 on the Earth's climate and the state of modern science. What is the scientific evidence on the relationship between CO2 and Earth's climate? Does CO2 drive the Earth's temperature, or does temperature drive CO2? What does the fossil record tell us about the state of the world's climate in the past? Is current warming unprecedented? Why don't scientists study the evidence of prehistoric forests in the Arctic, and what it implies for historical temperatures? Why is there little focus on the enormous benefits of CO2? What is the evidence for CO2 driving ocean acidification? How much better are scientists today from the scientists involved in the Salem witch hunt? How does politicization affect science, and why does Professor Happer think that the more policy-driven a field is, the less trustworthy its conclusions are?
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Professor Happer’s 2014 paper Why has global warming paused?:
www.dca.iag.usp.br/material/ak...
The CO2 Coalition website:
co2coalition.org/
Does ocean acidification alter fish behavior:
www.science.org/content/artic...
Elsmere Island Mummified Forest:
www.atlasobscura.com/places/e....
Professor Happer's editorial with Harisson Schmitt: In defence of Carbon Dioxide:
www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...
Professors Lindzen and Happer's Comment on the SEC's Proposed Rule:
"The Enhancement and Standardization of Climate-Related Disclosures for Investors.":
co2coalition.org/wp-content/u...
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[@paulhofman]

I am a physics PhD with many years of experience in mathematical modelling, data analysis and algorithm design. I am appalled at the corrupting influence of politics on the quality of science in our universities. This is an excellent interview filled with truth bombs that I fully recognize from my own experience.

[@nigelliam153]

I agree. When Obama was president he spoke of the greatest threat to mankind being global warming and rising sea levels then a few months ago he buys a 12 million dollar mansion on the beach. He's either very silly or knows it's all BS.

[@beefcurtains3095]

Truth bombs like blaming witch hunts entirely on Academia? Religious zealots have also been behind witch hunts, wars, crusades, and other acts of violence.

[@beefcurtains3095]

If you research the German Würzburg witch trials in the early 17th century they were part of a territory war between Catholics and Protestants. Prof Hopper blamed this on “academia”

[@beefcurtains3095]

The 4 biggest witch trials in German History the Fulda, the Trier, the Würzburg, and Bamberg witch trials were all driven by Catholics not Academia. Utter nonsense.

[@Ironic1950]

@@beefcurtains3095 Labia Minorae, you fail to comprehend how intertwined the Catholic Church (no protestants at that time) and 'academia' were at the time of the witch trials. Most ordinary people were illiterate, and just did what the Latin-reading priesthood told them they had to do to avoid eternal damnation. So not nonsense at all...

[@jholt03]

I too am a recovering climate catastrophist. I'm grateful to great scientific minds such as Dr. Happer for having the courage to stand up to the many political forces trying so hard to silence and vilify the ever dwindling members of the scientific community willing to speak truth to power. Keep up the good work. Your efforts are making a difference. You and those like you converted me, and I've converted many family and friends. The truth will ultimately prevail.

[@hosnimubarak8869]

In December 2015, Happer was targeted in a sting operation by the environmental activist group Greenpeace. Posing as consultants for a Middle Eastern oil and gas company, they asked Happer to write a report touting the benefits of rising carbon emissions. Happer asked for the fee from this work to be donated to the "objective evidence" climate-change organization CO2 Coalition, which suggested that he contact the Donors Trust to keep the source of the funds secret. Happer further acknowledged that his report would probably not pass peer-review with a scientific journal.

[@jholt03]

@@hosnimubarak8869 So what?

[@hosnimubarak8869]

@@jholt03 You're kidding right?

[@johnnordby1331]

Wake up people...the CRISIS IS A LIE AND NOW A SCAM.

[@donaldrobertson1808]

They won't even study the effects of covid policies on people's health even though excess deaths have been significantly higher for employment aged adults every year since the mRNA vaccines were rolled out

[@kenmolloy1645]

Love that Dr Happer has a phone on the wall, just like what I grew up with. Old school scientists are the best.

[@karenf9137]

I was equally thrilled when I saw it, and I also reminisced about my childhood…. You were “cool” if your house had one of those new, sleek wall phones.😎lol

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

Yes. Hilarious.

[@-LightningRod-]

Climate Change is very real, serious as a heart attack and easily verifiable in real time if you choose to look www.earthnullschool.net the northern jetstream has collapsed and has not properly formed for over 19 months now. Stop being Ignorant, Stupid AND Foolish.

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

@@-LightningRod- Your certainty is not science. I teach research methods. There is a rot in global warming (change to climate change by a Republican pollster). When debate is cut off by defunding non narrative supporting research. When you deny tenure, use intimidation tactics and naming, blaming and shaming. The terms “settled” or “consensus” is evidence that this is NOT science. When there are no forums for robust debate, when you go back and change historical records. This is not science. BTW, This happened in nutrition science, which has been corrupted while Americans get fatter and more sick since the US Govt implemented the unhealthy food pyramid. Only, this one will be worse. Instead of slowly killing people, this one could lead to mass starvation, not because of the climate but of government policies and mandates.

[@alexandrawhitelock6195]

I have 2 wall mounted landlines…

[@zbigniewbecker5080]

Wow! This take on ocean 'acidifiaction' is sooo important! Never heard this before. Thanks Professor Happer, you're a true beacon of sanity and wisdom on these crazy waters. And huge kudos to Saifedean for the courage of making about-face away from the climatistas squad!

[@kenmolloy1645]

Most of the shell fish originated in our Ocean that was far more acidic than today. The idea that current CO2 levels cause a level of Ocean acidification will kill Corals and crabs is just rubbish.

[@atlet1]

The talk about ocean acidification is a very clear lie for all us with education in science. All serious science show that more co2 in the ocean promote life, including the corals. Most of the volcanic activity occurs in the ocean and it's no chance for humans to compete with that amount of co2 or so2.

[@elbuggo]

ocean 'acidifiaction' is pure fear porn. It is totally irrelevant for all practical purposes - it is pure fear porn.

[@PhilJonesIII]

@@kenmolloy1645 The Calcium Carbonate shells are made from Calcium, oxygen and, let me think...ah yes, Carbon Dioxide. The White Cliffs of Dover....Calcium Carbonate. The Channel Tunnel, cut through Calcium Carbonate. Guess what made all that Calcium Carbonate and what from. Lots more where that came from. I've seen any number of articles on the effects of acidification and yes, their shells become transparent and dissolve which is what happens when you place Calcium Carbonate in an acidic solution. They consistently fail to mention the pH of the solutions used. I also read an article that said the pH of the oceans had dropped since the late 1800s. Funny that, we didn't know about pH until around 1909, fully revised in 1929. And no, you can't keep a water sample for very long without the pH changing, especially if biological material is present. Acidify the oceans? Good luck with that.

[@petersteenkamp]

The ocean floor is made of basalt, which is an alkaline rock.

[@ernstvandijk6342]

Kudos to William from Luxembourg (Europe)! At 83 he is older than Joe Biden but mentally a lot fitter.

[@archieireland570]

I love the clarity of William Happer he should be listen to more.

[@mrunning10]

Happer is HORSESHIT. And just plain WRONG. Fix it and we LIVE. Do nothing and we may DIE. I'll take the first path, deniers and anyone making MONEY from fossil fuels paying for Congressmen to keep the whole industry going pick the second WAKE UP.

[@chellis1125]

Brilliant and yet so down to Earth. Great interview with Dr Happer

[@swiftlytiltingplanet8481]

Happer's expertise is OPTICS, not climate change. He has written ZERO papers on climate. Skeptical Science has the highest rating for scientific accuracy from MediaBias/FactCheck, as they cite the same scientific papers that the IPCC does. Their debunking of Happer is worth your time. Happer believes today's warming is natural or mostly natural. By contrast, Cornell University audited the over 88000 climate studies published from 2012-2020 and tallied a 99.9% consensus that human activity, not nature, is driving global warming. Who to believe, PhD-level climatologists and thousands of peer-reveiwed science papers, or William Happer, who was long funded by special interest groups in industry to promote the use of MORE fossil fuels?

[@416dl]

Always great to hear Dr Happer's clear and objective perspective. Thanks for bringing him to your followers. I hope they will help to spread it among those for whom the science is so important and so sadly lacking. cheers.

[@nelliegracelongwood5485]

"Educated beyond your intelligence" Jerry Clower, is how I describe our elite. TYVM for allowing Prof Happer a platform his voice should be heard by everyone.

[@sunlightconversions828]

Let me get this straight. Happer can convince the average joe with zero scientific background he is correct, yet smart people who actually dedicate their lives researching the climate disagree with him. I’m not sure that’s something I would be proud. That’s exactly what Happer is up to these days. He’s an elderly gentleman who’s been around so long and seen it all he just “knows” everything is going to turn out all right. This isn’t science, this is his personal opinion.

[@shawnpa]

​@@sunlightconversions828Dr. William Happer developed some of the earliest climate computer models at Princeton. He points out in other videos how all climate scientist models continue to be way off, and that politicians look at the models, which are garbage, to support to call to crisis. It's a very circular bunch of confirmation.

[@barnespiper1133]

@@sunlightconversions828 would be very interested in what the "smart people who actually dedicate their live lives..." have to say that negate Happer's scientific assertions. Please post these!

[@myrnafromcanada1216]

@Sunlightconversions828 perhaps Prof. Happen can speak the truth because he is retired and doesn't have to worry about having funding curtailed due to speaking truth and going against the narrative.

[@barnespiper1133]

@@sunlightconversions828 where oh where are those assertions that negate Prof Happer? I'm still waiting breathlessly!

[@julieolson1402]

I enjoy all of your podcasts, but those with scientific topics are my favorites. On that point this podcast really delivered. What I didn't expect was how incredibly charming Professor Happer is! What a pleasant personality. I could use a few more people like that in my day. Thank you both.

[@KIIDKYAAS]

Always a pleasure to hear Dr. Happer speak and you are an enquiring mind awesome

[@briansauk6837]

What a refreshing interchange of rational, bright minds. Many thanks for this!

[@GhettoRanger01]

I enjoyed listening to the professor, well done.

[@dongaetano3687]

Thx much for the interview of this great and humble man of science.

[@johnmartin2017]

Yup, that is who he is. Have been reading, and listening to him for years.

[@dongaetano3687]

@@johnmartin2017 Thx John, couldn't agree more, have heard Prof Happer in numerous talks. Heard Richard Lindzen MIT Ret. give a speech describing our climate as the interaction of two great "fluids", our atmosphere and the oceans...that statement alone showed the amazing complexity of the system and as he went on you could only gain respect for these men of science on the side of "climate realism". Despite great knowledge they remain humble before the complexity of the subject, and realistic about our the limits of our knowledge to date.

[@channelbitcoin21M]

Pure signal. Thank you for your work Saif and prof Happer.

[@adamwMLB]

Thanks for bringing Will Happer into the mainstream

[@mrunning10]

Happer is HORSESHIT. And just plain WRONG. Fix it and we LIVE. Do nothing and we may DIE. I'll take the first, deniers and anyone making MONEY from fossil fuels paying for Congressmen to keep the whole industry going pick the second WAKE UP.

[@volkerengels5298]

You like to be lied at.. Funny

[@wheel-man5319]

​@@volkerengels5298who is lying? People who have been wrong (but popular) for fifty years, or people who aren't popular and disagree with the ones who have been wrong for fifty years. Also, do recall how badly Galileo was treated by the establishment in his day....

[@volkerengels5298]

How sweet your lies are. Recasting the charlatan as a hero and a victim. Great, my friend. Maybe you're not even a BOT -but a human victim of Exxon propaganda.... poor man@@wheel-man5319

[@bennyl7224]

@@volkerengels5298which lies?

[@winniewotsit4452]

Wow! What a superb conversation. Hats off to you both. I've followed Prof, Will Happer for many years - he deserves a medal in my opinion. Yet I was much impressed by Saifedean too - he made so many excellent points. Many thanks to you both.

[@mrunning10]

Happer is HORSESHIT. And just plain WRONG. Fix it and we LIVE. Do nothing and we may DIE. I'll take the first path, deniers and anyone making MONEY from fossil fuels paying for Congressmen to keep the whole industry going pick the second WAKE UP.

[@96stealth]

What a fantastic conversation!

[@richardvoller9204]

Very good video thanks. If only people in charge had any integrity the world would be OK.

[@alangraham4526]

The excellence of informed proof driven logic put essentially in layman's terms for all to absorb / question / research if they wish is so refreshing. I was surprised at professor Happer's Scottish origins also the "soot covered children". When I was studying electrical engineering in the mid 60's one of the subjects was power generation my lecturer at the time said something that never really impacted me at the time as like most stuff it was something to be remembered at exam time but he said at the time 98.6% of all flue gas pollutants (coal fired) could be scrubbed leaving next to no atmospheric pollution. He also said this was NOT being done for 2 reasons 1) Cost 2) North Sea natural gas was being developed. These would seem most valid reasons to decommission and demolish BUT not given the benefit of hindsight these two sources could have easily run in tandem and not decimated the mining industry and been a possible back up for a Nordstream event! It appears to me the trillions wasted on windmills & solar has been criminal political theft on a world wide scale making the citizens pay for product replacement that has NO real benefit to them or the planet. I could go into a major rant here but will desist and thank all concerned for a truly informative 90 minutes that joined a lot of dots! (Well for me anyway).

[@geschicktehande2719]

An authentic conversation on the realities of this subject. We need more and more of this from those that truly know what they speak on. Thank you for this!

[@johnmartin2017]

The wisest and most accomplished have been pushed out and it is difficult to get published because only the government provides grants and gives support to those who provide agree with the narrative. Everyone else gets canceled

[@zympf]

well done Saif and William .. refreshing

[@johnward5102]

Thank you so much. It's an honour to be able to listen to you, both, thanks to (still) reliable grid power.

[@MarcoBatalha]

Excellent interview.

[@mobrule8219]

Happy that I found this. Dr. William Harper has been an interest since I began delving into climate science. His work on carbon dioxide impacts on the atmosphere mostly. Wanted to point to one good apple at Harvard, Dr. Willie Soon, astrophysicist who makes a powerful argument that the Sun drives the climate. I also put a distinction between Applied Physics and Theoretical Physics as Newtonian Mechanics, Thermodynamics, and Electromagnetism are all hard sciences backed by observable truth, while Relativity and Quantum Mechanics require faith that sadly leads to claims of heresy and deniers as the purpose of science is lost upon the settled science Neanderthals. There are two models of Cosmology, the gravity only model require the additions of dark matter and dark energy to explain because it failed as telescope technology expanded our depth of knowledge of what is actually out there. Plasma cosmology is elegant by comparison and because electromagnetism is scalable, we have proven experimentation now to back up the Electric Universe Theory. All without the billions in funding draining down a rat hole that the establishment pushes because of the threat posed by true understanding of how the Universe and electricity works within it. Next thing you know, humanity may realize Nikola Tesla's dream of clean, limitless electricity at no cost. How will the Ruling Class exploit humanity then?

[@geraldstewart1531]

God only knows -- But one thing is for sure -- the filthy left will find something.

[@Easycators]

He made an excellent point around 1:00:00 about how some of these movements have to grow until a crisis happens and they get totally exposed for the frauds they are. I feel there's some wisdom and unfortunate truth there.

[@markwindsor2537]

No one disputes that the earth has been both warmer and colder in the past. It is also beyond dispute the the human population has ever been as large as it is now. The ratio of carbon burning/polluting urban areas to oxygen replenishing forest areas has also increased tremendously with thousands of square miles of the latter being cut down everyday. One slso mustn't discount the effects of industrial agriculture on the CO2 cycles as well. It is therefore ridiculous to dismiss humanity's effect on the earth's natural atmospheric cycle as negligible- and to say that it has no bearing on climate at all. Demonising Climate deniers or climate sceptics is not the way to go. But, given the fact (as I understand it) that 99% of the earth's atmosphere is produced by organic matter - plant and animal - and that we're cutting down or killing this way beyond its ability to sustainably replenish itself - we do have a huge environmental problem here even if CO2 is only part of the bigger story. The interviewer here displays the hard bitten zeal of of someone converted from one religion to another. There is to be fair an issue with the massive reduction of easily and cheaply available hydrocarbon fuels. A product of millions of years of global forestation humanity has reduced it to about half inbarely 150 years. In this respect it would serve the interests of Capitalism to fan the flames of climate apocalypse to manipulate the population in another direction. That's the thing about disaster Capitalism - it's Happy to use natural or made disasters to do its social engineering.

[@maryfries2147]

@@markwindsor2537 all bullshit people are very arrogant

[@tycurtin7565]

This already happened with the Climategate scandal back in 2008/9. The media blew it off.

[@paulross9287]

@@markwindsor2537 But aren't we replenishing the environment with animal matter, simply by our own population growth?And replenishing plant matter by the use of modern fertilizer, herbicides, and irrigation?

[@andrewcheadle948]

​@@paulross9287 and co2. Satellites have been reporting a greening of the earth for a few decades now, because of slightly higher co2 levels.

[@Yahudikiwi]

New Zealand came under the ozone scare in the 1970’s We had an ozone hole over the bottom of the South Island which seemed strange to me as we had no population of consequence down there. As it turned out, it was Mount Erebus in Antarctica that was erupting sending huge clouds of gas into the atmosphere destroying the ozone layer above it 🤦‍♂️

[@nigelliam153]

Is it also coincidence that the upward trend in global temperature started around the same time as Krakatou expoded in 1883? There's a great tedx talk on how volcanoes effect climate.

[@hosnimubarak8869]

@@nigelliam153 There is no question that very large volcanic eruptions can inject significant amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. The 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens vented approximately 10 million tons of CO2 into the atmosphere in only 9 hours. However, it currently takes humanity only 2.5 hours to put out the same amount. While large explosive eruptions like this are rare and only occur globally every 10 years or so, humanity’s emissions are ceaseless and increasing every year. Human Co2 emissions = 60 billion tonnes a year. Volcanic Co2 emissions = only 600 million tonnes a year

[@skinwgs2275]

NO ONE has told us about the effect of Mount Erebus on the ozone layer until now. I learnt of this on a comment on KZbin!!! I've always been told that it was because of the international treaty in banning certain refrigerants. Edit: I forgot to say that I learnt about the ozone hole scam from Dr Happer earlier this week, on a different YT video. But thanks for comment; it was good to learn about that mountain in Antarctica.

[@roblangsdorf8758]

Wasn't there also a company that had a new coolant that they wanted to sell. But they needed to get rid of the old one that was very popular still.

[@alexcrompton9509]

Maybe the best video to date. Thanks as always Saif

[@christophe2496]

Excellent ! Only for people who think !

[@mikeofallon]

Maybe it'll get through to a few more people to discover the fun of thinking.

[@harribraithwaite6813]

Let William SPEAK!!!!!

[@TheRealJennifla]

Thank you for another great interview!

[@astridgilberto]

Mass formation Psychosis at every turn. Group think on top equals witch-hunting. Very well produced video, Happer is the man.

[@zcaalock]

optimal co2 ppm for plants to grow is around 1300-1500ppm, now we have 400ppm. Fossil fuels comes right about time to fix low co2 problem

[@jacdale]

In open environments increased CO2 levels result in increased predation by pests and compromised nutritional value in food crops. Zavala et al 2008 Zavala et al 2013 Smith and Myers, 2018

[@burgesspark685]

@@jacdale Absolute garbage - the epitome of what pseudo-science actually is ! I read these papers and they are nothing more than guesswork and supposition There is no empirical evidence to support any of their nonsensical suppositions.

[@patrickfrank5893]

@@jacdale ... which is why, of course, all animals were covered with flies and starved to death in past ages of high CO2. Your argument is fatuous at best.

[@jacdale]

@@patrickfrank5893 Your argument is facile at best..

[@patrickfrank5893]

@@jacdale Facile: a perfectly appropriate match for the content of your declarations.

[@c.p.1090]

Inside buildings the CO2 level is 1500 or more.

[@jacdale]

Higher levels of CO2 affect human cognitive abilities. . "Indoor CO2: Dumb and dumber?" - Yale Climate Connections

[@barnespiper1133]

June 2020, Bowen Du, study of varying indoor CO2 levels has found inconsistent results relating to increased CO2 levels and reduced cognition levels. More research needed to make the case for this. @@jacdale

[@bennyl7224]

@@jacdaleplenty of places humans hang out or work are 1500+ Aircraft, submarines, class rooms, office spaces, houses, cinemas, shopping centres, cars

[@MOOK078]

Great job on this interview

[@outofcompliance1639]

Need more discussion like this. Good job.

[@europaeuropa3673]

Excellent discussion. Best I've seen on Utube.

[@runes6843]

Great interview. Didn't know about the dubious science going back to the ozone layer issues as well.

[@bhagen40]

Before that they had everyone believing we needed to prepare for an ice age, then acid rain then ozone hole...then global warming now climate change. All dubious.

[@hosnimubarak8869]

@@bhagen40 In the 1970’s, a handful of scientists (not a consensus) indicated that human caused air pollution was increasing and aerosols (particulate matter) in our atmosphere would cause cooling due to an albedo effect. As a result of observations and a switch to cleaner fuel burning, this no longer seen as a problem. Acid rain is caused by emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide, which react with the water molecules in the atmosphere to produce acids. Governments have made efforts since the 1970’s to reduce the release of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide into the atmosphere with positive results. More than 30 years after the Montreal Protocol, NASA scientists documented the first direct proof that Antarctic ozone is recovering because of the CFC phase-down: Ozone depletion in the region has declined 20 percent since 2005. And at the end of 2018, the United Nations confirmed in a scientific assessment that the ozone layer is recovering. Mean global temperature is 14.7°C, the warmest in tens of thousands of years and that current levels of CO2 in the atmosphere is over 400 ppm, the highest in millions of years. Two-thirds of the warming has occurred since 1975.

[@ulrichenevoldsen8371]

@@hosnimubarak8869 400 ppm the highest in million of years? Not likely. If it was much lower plants would struggle to grow

[@atlet1]

@@hosnimubarak8869 False! The science show that ozon fluctuation in natural and have little or nothing to do with FC compounds. More UVB is beneficial for most humans. The climate was warmer than today before 1350 AD. We know that for sure. The global temperature have declined since 1940. We know that for sure. So they who manipulate data to drive their political agenda is liers. We know that for sure. The evidence is easy to find.

[@hosnimubarak8869]

@@ulrichenevoldsen8371 Nonsense. Do some research before you embarrass yourself further,

[@janicechapman6319]

I love your kitty Mr. Happer...gingers are the best! I also very much appreciate your logic. Thankyou

[@gilschiller1058]

He's a great scientist and a very honest man.

[@rps1689]

Nope. He was a particle physicist, not an atmospheric physicist. He has been lying about scientific consensus for quite some time and his claims about satellite data are still cherry-picked and out of date. He is no different than those from science that were PR flacks for the tobacco industry. He's been in an administrative honorary title position for several years and is a washout. He has zero credibility in the field of climate science today. His only notable achievement in science is he is one of the pioneers in the field of optically polarized atoms.

[@plstewaf3]

SA. I like your approach to ask the questions many are not asking, or perhaps are afraid to speak up.

[@yvespoulin8050]

Love this, but i was aleready a big fan of William Happer

[@alshirer1]

The fiat economy enables the sophistry of climate change.

[@ducthman4737]

The wizards behind the curtain. If you can print all you need to corrupt/buy the system you have absolute power. There has been no capitalism since the central planning Federal Reserve system took over.

[@alshirer1]

@@ducthman4737 1913 Federal Reserve, Sixteenth and Seventeenth Amendments all served to convert our economy and reduce us to subjects of the federal government. Bitcoin separates money and state.

[@PMConnolly]

Real climate education gem this. Love this expert. Thank you both.

[@swiftlytiltingplanet8481]

Happer's climate views have been broadly debunked in the scientific literature. His expertise is in OPTICS, not climate.

[@barnespiper1133]

@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 ...Optics, specifically the optics of CO2 lasers. That, of course, would have nothing to do with CO2 "emergency". LOL

[@barnespiper1133]

btw, how about some sources who have debunked Dr. H? Please reference. Perhaps you could summarize their "broad debunking". Please be specific. Would love to read!

[@bennyl7224]

@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 1/ please summarise which claims is H making 2/ which do you agree with? 3/ which do you disagree with?

[@Ironic1950]

Dr. Happer's views have been contested by vested interests, but never 'debunked' as you put it. 'Climate Science' as a discipline has only existed for a ​decade and is just a sidebranch of Physics, in which Dr. Happer is eminently qualified, particularly in radiative transfer! @@swiftlytiltingplanet8481

[@mrbill4068]

THE SIMPLE QUESTION: Why does man think he can stop the warming process that has been ongoing for the lat 20,000 years and has melted most of the 4km thick icecap that only recently covered most of North America?

[@Arturo-lapaz]

Mr Bill you are right, the period of the glaciation cycle is 130000 years, precisely predictable with the alignment of the large planets, Jupiter and Saturn, causing the ellipticity of the earths orbit to change and the perihelion of the earth to change. Cooling more due to the longer exposure of the earth further away around the aphelion, on July 7 the southern winter. Causing the long winters in the Antarctic thus the large extent of the winter sea ice.

[@harrydecker8731]

It's refreshing to hear an intelligent rational discussion regarding "climate change." It's good to hear facts and history as opposed to hype and alarmism. If someone had told me fifty years ago that claims of catastrophic climate change and fear of carbon dioxide would cause people in the future to blow up coal power plants and shut down nuclear power plants and attempt to replace them with windmills and solar panels, I would have told them they were crazy. It turns out that fairy tales I learned in elementary school such as "Chicken Little" and "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" are not fairy tales after all. Even in this day and age educated adults can be convinced (or coerced) to believe lies.

[@languagetruthandlogic3556]

Well written Sir, I agree 100% The story of the Emperor's new clothes is very relevant too!

[@wheel-man5319]

@@languagetruthandlogic3556 You do know that it's dangerous to notice that the emperor is naked 🤯

[@neuoylann1909]

Don’t cross the road, this is very risky for your life, specially when people are driving electric cars because you cannot hear the engine running.

[@wheel-man5319]

@@neuoylann1909 ‼️‼️ oh my 🤯

[@alexandrawhitelock6195]

Agreed. Soon in VT propane will be banned…I wont be able to use my gas cooktop, hot water heaters nor a super Generac… Also wont be able to fill with biofuel to heat my boiler,,,it has some fuel oil in it…nor have 2 outside tanks (fuel oil) one fills my tractor. Plus not drive my vehicle… Getting very sick and tired of this…need to relocate but…the entire US is doing this…😡😡😡

[@Mulberry2000]

The professor is right about Scotland, UK. In Manchester, UK smog from the factories were really bad you could see more than 20ft in front of you. It was really bad when combined with normal winter fog as well. Even today clothes can get more dirty in the UK than in other countries. When i was living in Hollld my clothes were a lot cleaner.

[@duinteriors]

The only thing I can say about this interview is….BRILLIANT!

[@rockbarcellos]

another one to my Favourites, great talk

[@koczisek]

It's so pleasant to see good, normal ppl gather to talk like good, normal ppl!

[@swiftlytiltingplanet8481]

Happer is a very pleasant man who is unfortunately widely debunked in the scientific literature because he hasn't kept up with the data.

[@koczisek]

@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 That CO2 is a pollutant causing Earth to overheat?

[@swiftlytiltingplanet8481]

@@koczisek The U.S. Supreme Court officially ruled in 2007 that CO2 is indeed a pollutant. It's classified as a pollutant because in EXCESS its accompanying warming melts the icecaps, raises sea levels, intensifies hurricanes, reduces cropy yields, expands wildfire seasons, and increases extreme precipitation events, droughts, heatwaves, marine heatwaves, desertification, and tick-and-mosquito borne diseases.

[@susa5995]

Thanks a lot for this great interview!

[@BeibutYerzhanov]

great interview

[@johnmartin2017]

@-GinΠΓ Τάο Great because he explains, hypothesizes and gives his proof. All while speaking simply, and clearly in a way that the average person can grasp.

[@raymondswenson1268]

Ozone at the poles decays naturally during the dark polar winter. It bounces back in Spring after the sun comes out. Ozone in the temperate zones is NOT decreased at all.

[@groblerful]

We are counting on you to continue the great work. In NZ Farmers are going to be put out of buisness because of Insane emission policies.

[@musicarroll]

In Holland they are facing the same fate.

[@pjos6406]

Great stuff

[@thomasstalder6708]

All cats are the same: wanting to sit on your lap while you work on the computer... 😆

[@statstu]

Maybe any funding looking at negative impacts from anything in the science field should have equal funding for the positive impact. Just to add a little balance.

[@darylfoster7944]

Yeah, a little cost/benefit analysis would have been useful the last three years when the covidiots destroyed the economy.

[@namehere1967]

Professor Happer always makes sense.

[@randalllederman6346]

So refreshing to get an honest opinion.thanks

[@stephenskinner3851]

Meteorology is a chapter in Physics. Climate is a sub section of meteorology and requires the meteorology data. A physicist is able to speak and judge on matters related to climates.

[@WhoMe87799]

It is also helpful to check out the fudged temperature records uncovered over and over by Tony Heller. As well PhD ecologist Patrick Moore has a great interview "A Dearth of Carbon" on the channel Vancouver Sun.

[@johnmartin2017]

A discussion that illuminates and makes those who still can think, do so. And yet, while Al Gore's book made me shake my head in wonder that so many could look at scary pictures of nature juxtaposed with calamitous predictions that have not come to pass, nonetheless still believe them today.

[@michaels4255]

Yes, not matter how many times it fails test after test, the hypothesis clings to life, supported by political activism, the media, and oodles and oodles of cash.

[@thomasmartin406]

Excellent .. listened to it a second time and picked up a bunch more ;)

[@burgesspark685]

Absolutely brilliant discussion - thank you both

[@hosnimubarak8869]

For years, Happer has been an active participant in the climate science denial community. In the past he has served as a trustee of the Exxon Mobile funded and now-defunct George C. Marshall Institute and, later, co-founding the institute's next iteration as the CO2 Coalition with former Exxon manager Roger Cohen. Ironically, Exxon Mobile has done an about face and now admits climate change is real. They admit CO2 is a greenhouse gas. They work with and support findings of the IPCC.

[@burgesspark685]

@@hosnimubarak8869 "For years, Happer has been an active participant in the climate science denial community." You say that like its a bad thing ! 🤣😂🤣😂

[@hosnimubarak8869]

@@burgesspark685 In December 2015, Happer was targeted in a sting operation by an environmental activist group. Posing as consultants for a Middle Eastern oil and gas company, they asked Happer to write a report touting the benefits of rising carbon emissions. Happer asked for the fee from this work and asked that payment be made through the Donors Trust to keep the source of the funds secret. Happer further acknowledged that his report would not pass peer-review with a scientific journal.

[@burgesspark685]

@@hosnimubarak8869 To be honest - I see absolutely nothing wrong with anything you just "exposed" You claim he was commissioned to write a report "touting the benefits of rising carbon emissions" Something he has done very publicly for many years. What you (like many other brain-dead alarmists) fail to grasp is that *facts are facts* regardless who commissions them ! You think that if you can make some vicarious connection to an oil company, somehow that cancels actual science. It does not ! Your time would be better spent researching the science, rather than infantile attempts to smear and slander. although I only have your deceitful opinion that any of it is true at all.

[@hosnimubarak8869]

​@@burgesspark685 Happer notes that a doubling of C02 would not double temperature. He's right. It wouldn't. But no climate scientist has ever said that it would. In fact, we know what a doubling would do. A doubling of C02 would raise global temperature by at least 3C, which is more than enough to create disaster. This is the number that IPCC scientists and the very latest data agree on. What Happer frequently neglects to include in his projections are the feedback effects that C02 triggers.C02-driven warming, in fact, accelerates evaporation, which fills the atmosphere with additional water vapor which, itself a greehouse gas, then works synergistically to warm the planet more than C02 could do on its own. Methane, another powerful greenhouse gas, is also released from pent-up permafrost. Like water vapor, it works with C02 to increase warming beyond what C02 could do on its own. These are short range temperature changes. Long range changes, by contrast, could go as high as 6C. As time goes on, more and more of the ice sheets melt, reducing sun-reflecting albedo, and exposing more land and ocean to absorb (instead of reflect) sunlight. This is, in fact, one of the most powerful synergistic warming agents to work with C02.

[@c.p.1090]

When you talk to kids on climate. Most are non science tracks. They barely know more than few statements and directions from other opinion makers. High school drop out Greta is one considered an expert unfortunately. 😢

[@Earthandweather]

"Its easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they've been fooled."

[@seamuscharles9028]

Thank God for John Happer

[@carlguinesso3136]

who is John Happer?

[@angelagonimavalero7700]

@@carlguinesso3136Find out for yourself.

[@tobyw9573]

40 years ago 12 oz of freon R12 was a dollar, today its replacement R134a is $15 for 12 oz. Last I checked the price was mostly tax. Time to change.

[@joehelland1635]

In school we learn that ozone is created by an oxygen getting excited by uvb and bonding with an o2 to make o3 which can then absorb more energy from uvb and break back apart.

[@dramese]

We’ll learn more, as limited as that was, it was still more accurate then what you are hearing here. He is taking advantage of people’s ignorance to throw a bunch work about around.

[@TheOrdener]

Lots of points echo Alex Epstein. Is it time to have him back on?

[@jimjones3482]

I think it's more valuable to hear from more scientists. We all know what Alex says and there's no lack of interviews with him. It's more interesting to hear from guys like this in my opinion.

[@TheOrdener]

That’s fair. I’d like to hear more of the science too. A small complaint I had about this interview is that Saifedean talked too much about non-scientific points instead of asking more questions to Dr. Happer.

[@Durnyful]

Any comments on those who say that the medieval warm period was localised & that proxies have shown that other parts of the world were cooler than today? I can't imagine what proxies could be used within the areas covered by oceans with any accuracy at all....

[@Sealight007]

I loved this. And I loved the conclusion. beginning at 1:10:00

[@ArchivingClownWorld]

Excellent rip.

[@JohnSmith-oe5kx]

Monty Python had this figured out years ago! “So, logically, if she weighs the same as a duck, she is made of wood, and therefore is a witch.”

[@mdeasy]

Great work guys!!!!

[@lesevans9508]

Various sources put the reduction in human emissions during 2020 as being between 6% and 17%. Of course, this is not precisely measured anywhere; it’s just estimated based on recorded consumption of various fuels. Interestingly, this made absolutely no impression on the seasonally adjusted Co2 levels as measured at Mauna Loa. NASA went to great lengths to downplay this lack of response, and it was studiously ignored by most of the MSM.

[@swiftlytiltingplanet8481]

If we stopped all emissions tomorrow, atmospheric CO2 levels would continue to stay high. For centuries. We can't bring levels down any time soon, we can only try to prevent it from getting worse.

[@brianohis6225]

Melbourne Australia could do with an extra 4 degrees Celsius, especially in winter. What do we need to burn to get to our goal?

[@bennyl7224]

Dan Andrews

[@roblouw1344]

Visit South Africa to see what living without electricity is like.

[@wheel-man5319]

Or North Korea....

[@geraldstewart1531]

I just watched -- "CO2 , The Gas of Life"-Dr. William Happer -- Sadly comments were not allowed -- so I'll make one here -- Stupidity is not recognized by the stupid, that's the reason I suspect there are so many of them. Dr Happer spelled that fact out very clearly. Well worth a watch.

[@swiftlytiltingplanet8481]

Not a single scientific institution on earth agrees with Happer that "more CO2 would be great for us." Just the opposite. Go to Happer's own American Physical Society, with its over 50,000 physicists. In their 2021 public position statement, they make it clear where they stand: "CLIMATE CHANGE IS UNEQUIVOCALLY HUMAN-CAUSED AND REQUIRES SWIFT ACTION TO MITIGATE THE DAMAGE OUR EMISSIONS ARE CAUSING" This is the position taken by every major scientific institution on the planet, from NASA to NOAA to the World Meteorlogical Organization.

[@_broomfi]

Excellent discussion, thanks!

[@baxrok2.]

Brilliant. Thank you!

[@ggunjaca]

Also there is no science without REPRODUCIBILITY, one science paper although peer reviewed mean nothing if someone else on the other side of the globe can't get the same results with the same input settings.

[@jacdale]

The hockey stick of Michael Mann has been replicated over 5 dozen times by different groups of researchers using different methodologies and different data sets,

[@ggunjaca]

@@jacdale I mention it because Saifedean misses that most important distinguishing factor which is calculated by evidence strength letter from A to C when he bashes certain scientific evidence while embraces other.

[@LandYacht]

@@jacdale How is that possible? Mann refuses to release his regression data, stating (in court) that it’s “proprietary.”

[@jacdale]

@@LandYacht Different data sets. For example Pages2K uses 692 data sets from 648 locations world-wide. Mann's data has been on his web site for for at least a decade.

[@kudr66]

Reproducibility means nothing if you cannot test your results by observation (or measurement). If you use the same method over and over you would expect to get the same results, but the results can still be wrong, if you cannot test them. On the other hand, if you can calculate something and then test it by measurement, you can easily say if the results are good or wrong. Example (search for): "Relative Potency of Greenhouse Molecules", Wijngaarden, Happer, 2021 These calculations precisely match spectral radiation observations and are reproducible.

[@RogerWilco66]

The statement on hybrid cars is not really true. I often drove a 3 cylinder LYNK & CO and it was horrible on gas mileage, if the small battery was not charged over night (took a long time). The car only performed when the battery was full and then only for around 70 kilometers. When you have to charge during driving, it had excessive fuel consumption and a unacceptable loss of power. In the end, as nice at is was otherwise, it was practically useless.

[@mattiaswennerhult9451]

It would be fun if someone made a calculation on the probability of human life with the proposed fragility of the climate.

[@wrath276]

How do we know CO2 levels were higher in the past? Where has all the free Oxygen in the atmosphere come from. Life created it by separating the Oxygen from Carbon Dioxide and storing away the Carbon. Shells settled to the seafloor and because chalk. Trees became coal. The process of life continues and life is still separating Oxygen from Carbon Dioxide. If CO2 falls below 150 ppm life will struggle to continue.

[@hosnimubarak8869]

Wow perfesser.

[@ducthman4737]

Don't like Bitcoin but love CO2

[@valleturkka155]

Nice! #bitcoin

[@-LightningRod-]

Climate Change is very real, serious as a heart attack and easily verifiable in real time if you choose to look www.earthnullschool.net the northern jetstream has collapsed and has not properly formed for over 19 months now. Stop being Ignorant, Stupid AND Foolish.

[@ducthman4737]

@@-LightningRod- The same jet stream conditions that gave us the fear of the new ice age in the 60s and 70s now are a sign for warming ? May be the climate is changing but our emissions have nothing to do with it. Earth's declining magnetic field could be a reason and we can do nothing to stop that.

[@robertstewart7856]

I have a 7th grade education I'm 64 and even I know this climate movement is all about money and compliance . Basic science I learned in grade school tells you carbon is good for the planet. This pod cast confirms my thoughts on this subject .

[@swiftlytiltingplanet8481]

ELEVEN separate studies confirm the scientific consensus on climate change. ELEVEN. 80 academies of science and ALL of the world's major scientific institutions publicly endorse the consensus findings, which is why every nation on earth is a card-carrying member of the IPCC. In 2021, Cornell University audited the over 88000 climate studies published from 2012-2020 and tallied a 99.9% consensus that human activity, not nature, is driving global warming. Even Exxon's own scientists in leaked memos have acknowledged that combusted fossil fuels are warming the planet to a damaging degree. William Happer, by contrast, is not a climate scientist. His expertise is OPTICS. He's also the former head of the CO2 Coalition, FUNDED BY THE OIL INDUSTRY to promote the use of MORE fossil fuels. You can see his talking points debunked at CLIMATE MISINFORMATION BY SOURCE: WILLIAM HAPPER. CO2 is only good for the planet up to a point. We've passed that point. That's because the warming that accompanies rising CO2 melts the icecaps, raises sea levels, intensifies hurricanes, expands wildfire seasons, reduces farm productivity (yes, REDUCES), and increases heatwaves, extreme precipitation events, droughts, ocean acidification and tick-and-mosquito-borne diseases. These are things you would have learned, Robert, if you had finished your education.

[@Henrikbuitenhuis]

Thanks so much for the video and info.

[@jlha1]

Greenland was in the Middle Ages around 800 to 1200 1.5 degrees Celsius warmer than today and in the Roman period it was even warmer the vikings picked wild growing grapes in northern newfoundland around 1100

[@jimclarke8260]

The Holocene is waning. We are headed for another 60,000 to 100,000 years of glaciation. If we burned all the fossil fuels and emitted all the CO2 we could, it would not change this inevitability, because CO2 does not have that ability. The equatorial regions, however, that do not freeze, would be totally green and full of life. CO2 is the gas of life!

[@w8what575]

We are supposed to be on a ball of rock and water flying through a solar system which is also flying around in the galaxy which is also flying around within a vast universe…have they forgotten that “science theory” they push? And why are they not figuring in that theory with their climate theory and consider that climates do change based on those things they state are facts..,,if something is in constant movement does it ever stay the same?

[@rutgerdekok1324]

At around 50:00, paraphrasing: "the way to corrupt science is to come to it from a politicians perspective. Asking science what should a policymaker do will give a lot of answers, but probably the best answer is the policymaker should do nothing".

[@markramsay8472]

That's how the IPCC writes its reports. I read pertinent procedures in an amicus brief that Happer co-wrote.

[@rutgerdekok1324]

Yes indeed, the UN creates the jobs for the bureaucrats. The mission is to demonize CO2, so it can be used as a tool for total control. At the moment they are working on CBDC, centrally controllef digital currency that they will try to force people to us. It is programmable, they can control who has it, what is can be spend on, and how much interest you pay.... No plane ticket for you, you can buy some bugs for dinner... The Dutch parliament is debating it today, and all the globalist parties in the government coalition think it is wonderful idea. Ordinary people don't want it, but who cares.... Make Orwel Fiction Again!

[@ssm59]

I am surprised Dr. Happer didn’t mention the resolution problem when discussing ice cores. At best ice cores can provide us average values for atmospheric carbon dioxide with resolutions of some 200 years from the Greenland ice sheet, 1000 years from the Antarctic ice sheet. We compare those averages to daily direct measurement, which is a comparison full of pitfalls. The Greenland ice sheet it gives us an average CO2 concentration of about 325 ppm with at best a two century resolution. Direct measurements since 1959 give us a 60 year average of 340 ppm. Consequently we really cannot say whether or not our current condition is unusual, because we do not have any ability to resolve historic data to the daily, weekly, monthly, or even yearly time scale.

[@juanmacias4854]

Nice review, great that poletics don't influence his views. What needs be covered is the EM field transference from the Sun to Earth. Earth electric magnetic field is the major transference of energy to atmosphere, oceans and land masses. The primary factor and it's not included, that and of course the orbits of the planets and influence on Earth's orbit plus Sun 22 year sunspots cycles.

[@vinvinvino3176]

I love truth speakers. They are my family.

[@robcarter55]

I had been thinking about what you said at about 13-00 mins after having watched professor Happer and others and an analogy for it as to "you are not a climate scientist" . Best I could come up with was a club tennis player told to do something and that player later meeting Roger Federer who tells him to do it differently and the coach claiming Roger Federer is not a "qualified coach"

[@atypocrat1779]

Now that we have these facts out of the way, what do we do about running out of fossil fuels?

[@robertmeredith3940]

Nuclear fission (clean, safe, cheap, etc) can provide all the energy needed for billions of years, if people are still alive. We will still need CO2 for food, which could be extracted from rocks, if volcanic activity does not produce enough. Many products are made from petroleum, so I hope we conserve some for non-fuel use before running out. Now would be a good time to start to transition to nuclear, instead of intermittent wind & solar.

[@tuathadedanann195]

Utter nonsense funded by the fossil fuel indsutry. Follow the money. Did you guys learn nothing from the denial of the harmful effects of smoking by the tobacco industry? Its the same playbook

[@mikeharrington5593]

*H A P P E R I S A L I A R*

[@nicksalatino6386]

Proof? Troll

[@wheel-man5319]

​@@nicksalatino6386no proof offered. Just an adhomenim attack on the character of the dissenter.

[@rps1689]

@@nicksalatino6386 He is a professional liar. He gets indirect funding and direct support from the Cato institute and Heartland institute that get most of their funding from fossil fuel investors; heck I even know as a fossil fuel investor. He has prostituted himself for the profit-drive of the energy industry. Heartland is one of the flagship public relations companies of the organized political opposition to climate science. which has a reputation for lying about climate issues. It’s not secret that James "Heartland" Taylor is paid well to lie about Earth's climate and related public policy. One only has to look at him still cherry picking out of date satellite data. But we know you are too indolent to check it out just resort to calling people with facts trolls.

[@maxtabmann6701]

There is one single argument that destroys the assumption that CO2 has any effect on earth's temperature. The mars atmosphere's relative CO2 concentration is 2500 times higher than that of earth but the pressure and thus density is factor 166 lower. This means that every cubic meter of mars atmosphere has 15 times more CO2 molecules in ABSOLUTE terms. But Mars is a freezing cold planet. Making a correction for the different distances from sun reveales that Mars has no greenhouse effect at all although the absolute CO2 concentration is 15 times higher. Mars once was a warm planet when it still had water, which proves that water is determining the earth's temperature - not CO2!

[@tsehayenegash8394]

please upload a video for lhow tropopause varies, energy exchange between troposphere and stratosphere, annual oscillation , semiannual oscillation and triannual oscillation of troposphere by using temperature parameters? thank you

[@paulopl1963]

Gas from Russia was never a mistake! It is cheap and reliable and it comes from the near abroad so with low carbon footprint ! The stupid thing is to get rid of that source and go for expensive and high carbon footprint LNG from far away!

[@neilnewinger3059]

The stupid thing is not to have a back up system and rely fully on one source of gas only under the control of psychopathic dictator and war criminal, who will not hesitate to use it against you.