Timestamps: 01:05 Scott's general hypertrophy philosophies 09:09 Mike responds to Scott's methodologies 18:22 Scott gets back to Mike's comments and talks about muscle fibre types 23:19 Mike responds to Steve's summary points and getting strong over time and going to failure 28:49 Scott talks about continuous progress and RIR 37:09 Mike's system of failure points 42:35 Scott reflects on Mike's points 50:20 Mike gets back and brings up systemic fatigue 54:44 Scott brings up the Schoenfeld Volume study 01:01:23 Mike's take on the study 01:09:38 Responder observation
@earthrot6667 ай бұрын
"babe, my quads! don't say things like that!" was listening to this at work and laughed uncontrollably for like 10 minutes 😂
@MagnaniGustavo2 жыл бұрын
Bro, this was just AMAZING! One of the best hosts out there, really! You just let your guests talk and also Mike and Scott paired up together is such a whole pile of wisdom!
@brandothereal6 жыл бұрын
I’d really like more talks with these two. The end cracked me up! Thanks
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
We try to get them on again. I found the discussion to be truly amazing - Pascal
@ssm-sf8by6 жыл бұрын
I've been katching up with these podcast and I wanna say thank you steve and all of the guest for this amazing knowledge you've been giving all of us
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Panini - Pascal
@jaigeyer95964 жыл бұрын
Quality content and discussion. As usual, intelligent, thoughtful and scientific, presented by deeply passionate people with real experience. Great anecdotes and comedic, theoretical examples, too. And well articulated to grasp some key concepts. Big fan. Imagine if more gym goers actually had some of this knowledge. Great work Steve, Mike, Scott and co. Mike, you are brilliant.
@ReviveStronger4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for listening Jai! - Pascal
@ColeDano5 жыл бұрын
This might the the best Revive Stronger episode so far, and that's saying a lot.
@ReviveStronger5 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Cole! I myself found it quite good too! - Pascal
@emanuilyotoff70805 жыл бұрын
The discussions on your channel are brilliant. Especially with guests like Israetel, Stevenson, Helms, etc. 75min went so fast with such an intriguing conversation.
@ReviveStronger5 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Emanuil! - Pascal
@MarioTomicOfficial6 жыл бұрын
Great discussion. Thanks for organizing Steve!!
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mario! Good to see you around :) - Pascal
@workoutunleashed6 жыл бұрын
Awesome Sunday morning wake up podcast! Great work as always Steve. Mike and Scott are fantastic to listen to. Keep em' coming 🔥🔥🔥
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they make a great couple - Pascal
@kniv3sap15 жыл бұрын
This was literally the stuff of legend. Thanks Revive Stronger!
@ReviveStronger5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Martin!! - Pascal
@martytorres24416 жыл бұрын
Best round table in a while tbh. Get these guys together more. I have bought both of their programs they are similar forsure. I think dr Stevenson uses a little more variety in set types and things like that. While mike starts more conservative and then definitely gets harder as you progress through your mesocycle. Anyways both great programs check em out!
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I really enjoyed the podcast myself as well - Pascal
@MeleDrummer6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for bringing Scott and Mike together, this was fantastic! I enjoyed learning about the nuances of programming and having them comment on the high volume Schoenfeld study was great too. This is the best bodybuilding podcast!!!!! Cheers =)
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Happy to hear. I think, they make a great couple! - Pascal
@icejumperke6 жыл бұрын
SQUAD was on the road again! But looked forward to this soooo much! 🙌 CANNOT WAIT TO HEAR ALL THIS 😄🤓 THANK YOU GUYS FOR THIS! ❤ Damn, how geeky do you have to be to be THIS EXCITED for this?!!! 😂🙌
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Squad gainz! - Pascal
@Youngstomata6 жыл бұрын
SKWAAAAD!
@oznerolirarref5 жыл бұрын
Wezz you should win a revive stronger shirt for the most hyped up fan!!!!! I literally see your comments on every video
@icejumperke5 жыл бұрын
@Lorenzo Ferrari - Haha, that’s not the reason behind my support bro :D But that would be epic indeed lol, I’d wear it all day, every day 😂
@ssdabel6 жыл бұрын
Mikes German interviewer accent killed me :D
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
I can confirm, it was legit - Pascal
@ssdabel6 жыл бұрын
1:08:57 btw, too good
@MohrAvaMohr6 жыл бұрын
Yup, German-approved :D
@grapplebutter56666 жыл бұрын
My two favorite PHDs in one podcast? SWEET
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Hope you've enjoyed it - Pascal
@grapplebutter56666 жыл бұрын
@@ReviveStronger Most definitely!
@The10Daniel106 жыл бұрын
What a great way to end the week and get ready for Sunday. Thanks guys!!! P.S in Israel Saturday is the last day of the week :)
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Aaaah! And you're more than welcome ;) - Pascal
@GarethBretton5 жыл бұрын
when you need some more lifestyle fitness vlogs, i got you cause this was a great video!!! loving the content, bout to watch some more
@ReviveStronger5 жыл бұрын
Cheers buddy - Pascal
@patrickbronson51179 ай бұрын
Haven’t heard of Scott before but his speaking style reminds me of Stan effording a lot!
@Kdf_416 жыл бұрын
To my post below, Pascal and the crew got to work and uploaded their content to Spotify. Well done lads, yes!
@griffingeode6 жыл бұрын
54:00 "baby, my quads!", why?! Why don't they think of the quads before they open their mouth!
@segason66 жыл бұрын
Why baby, why?!?
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, golden - Pascal
@Chaosdude3415 жыл бұрын
I laughed pretty hard at that part.
@Levofski5 жыл бұрын
"Dear John......" ouch! my quads! Love it.
@ReviveStronger5 жыл бұрын
Haha, yes! - Pascal
@matversion26 жыл бұрын
The rant that Mike goes on about Brad's study was incredible. This one was pure gold.
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Was it a true rant? - Pascal
@matversion26 жыл бұрын
@@ReviveStronger you could call it a monologue instead, I suppose. It felt like he was venting which is why I called it a rant.
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Ah, I see :)
@benjoo6 жыл бұрын
This pod scarred the shit out of me... I feel like I can relate to pretty much everything that was said about advanced lifters, and I'm not even 4 years into lifting :/ Now I'm praying to the father of gainz that there are more gainz to be made for me. Great pod, keep it up!
@benjoo6 жыл бұрын
@Eugene Stoner I totally agree, however I believe that there is a big genetic factor that also comes into play... Some make huge gainz within the first two years of lifting and then can't seem to grow much more, but me for example made the same amounts of gainz the third year as the first.
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Where do you guys take the 10 years from? I think it's a general number that is thrown around that everyone takes for granted. I think you can grow much beyond that - Pascal
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
@Eugene Stoner I honestly don't think that it's true. People use the saying "I'm close to my genetic potential" too quickly, even though no one of us truly knows that potential. What if you've always trained sub optimal, you've seen gains, your genetics made you get plenty of muscle and in the eyes of many you look big. However, you'd you know that after ten years, you're close to your genetic potential if it's an unknown metric? Time is the limiting factor, humans could probably get even bigger if time was in favour of us. Also, look back 20-30 years. If you ever told someone that people like big Rami would be around, they would have called you insane. Genetic ceiling is something that not many will ever experience and even if it may appear like it, possibly, there's still room but we haven't yet discovered a way for it. Thus, I think this 10year figure is inaccurate.
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
@Eugene Stoner and I have to wholeheartedly disagree with that. We don't even know the exact causes of hypertrophic mechanism, let alone all physiological processes as well as genetics. How can we then make such claims? Impossible yet. Also, with drugs it was an exaggerated example of people thinking what's possible and they're always proven wrong. Only time and science can tell what the genetic potential is but now is not the time
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
@Eugene Stoner funny that you bring up Jeff...please look at one of his latest IG post and say it again. Have you ever seen the competitive stage of natural bodybuilding nowadays? Saying that we're as big as in the past is simply not true. This is mostly contributed to the understanding of training and nutrition but still it's a wrong claim. Thirdly, while CRISPR has been used on animal for hypertrophy, it's so much in its infancy and thinking that this will be used in natural bodybuilding in the next....50years, is even not up for debate But, all in all, it could turn out that you're indeed right. It's just my opinion that so far, we can't make these claims. So, just a kind disagreement :)
@chrono82334 жыл бұрын
I think I must have an incredible amount of slow twitch fibers. Because I can take a moderate weight of about 165 lbs on the bar and do 30 sets of 30 reps each set, for chest every other day and recover fine as a natural lifter and I also grow fast doing this as long as I keep increasing the volume. But If I lift super heavy I over train quickly and start to regress. And here's the thing, I feel like I could do 40 sets and still recover, I can just feel it, my body loves high volume, I just don't have the time to keep adding more volume tho. Also my girlfriend runs marathons and I remember the first time she made me run with her I actually ran longer than she did without taking a walk break and I had never ran before. I have a nice decent muscular build but not super jacked. I got 18 inch arms and a 49 inch chest. I am 6'4
@mattmarceau81566 жыл бұрын
Woohoo! Been waiting for this one
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Hope it was worth waiting - Pascal
@nathonkolman67146 жыл бұрын
"5x15 is 45" -Scott Stevenston Haha, love you Scott, glad your a "Hypertrophy Dr" and not an engineer lol ;)
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, amazing :D - Pascal
@ltp_6 жыл бұрын
It's actually kind of sad that people spin stuff so much in order to not be bad with someone. Schoenfeld's study and conclusions were clear: his hypothesis and conclusion is that more volume = more growth. But somehow "evidence-based" people try to spin those results to say that is not exactly what it means, that you have to taper it, etc. In that study, there was no taper. It was straight to high volume for 8 weeks, with honestly a very un-intelligent workout set up (as Scott mentioned). If it weren't Schoenfeld who published it, nobody would even consider it. But there is accumulating data from other labs that do not show this linear relationship. And somehow, everyone seems to focus on the hypertrophy part and not on the strength side, which also contradicts the body of literature. But this didn't prevent Brad publicizing his study on the media as "you can get as strong as you can by doing just 13 minutes of training per week!". Ludicrous. And Mike's argument about going higher in volume: I honestly don't think that "too little" volume is an issue for most people. Rather, I think the opposite is true; people believe that they "must" do 10-20 sets per week and never try fewer sets. Just look around your gym and see any chest routine; easily more than 20 sets per week. The issue is that the optimal volume for someone might be below 10 sets and he never gets to realize it because he never goes down from 10 sets, which is "the lower limit for an evidence-based training set up".
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
If it turns out that this study was shitty, then it will not matter in the grand scheme of things. The more research we have on a subject, the less of an impact one study gets. Also, in that regard, I think this write up is great: weightology.net/why-do-resistance-training-studies-differ-in-their-findings-a-lesson-in-sampling-variance/?fbclid=IwAR0l8pf9Gryxb5uF1PCbCUwR9SXChayvS7Nk9N9ClcyXuQrml5zHJyHxnmc Secondly, I think you're absolutely right. Unfortunately, we get a lot of inquiries of people who are doing an insane amount of volume, or simply higher than you'd usually recommend. Sometimes then, people are resistant, afraid, stressed if I recommend reducing the volume. In my personal experience though, in most cases, it was the best decision. - Pascal
@ltp_6 жыл бұрын
@@ReviveStronger Yes, its true (the more data we have the best), but it can also influence future papers (for instance, in a meta-analysis, which are very prevalent in hypertrophy research. One can deal with this (sensitivity analysis, etc) but still I think there should be a more logical (based on overall data) alternative explanation for the results, rather than hypertrophy is linear with volume, as I have written in my blog: p70s6k.com/2018/09/28/some-thoughts-on-resistance-training-volume-and-hypertrophy/ Wrt volume in practice, I think is pretty clear that this is the norm (not the other way around). I would also tend to think that if you are not seeing results from 20 sets per week you are likely not training hard/intelligent enough. Anyways, keep up the good work with the podcast!
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
@@ltp_ agree. I always encourage ticking those boxes first and if it turns out that you really need more volume, alright. But like 99% of the time, people don't. Will give it a read :)
@HughMiron4 жыл бұрын
The study was on untrained individuals and the groups were "1 to 4 sets, "5 to 9 sets" and 10+ sets". Obviously the more volume would be best for gains, but for how long? The study wasn't too long. The body will adjust and adapt. I want to see trained individuals taking sets to failure with lower volume higher frequency vs. higher volume with 1-3 RIR.
@onurbole79214 жыл бұрын
For me it was the opposite, I would do 7-9 sets a week per muscle group, no more than 3-4 sets a session, and hit each bodypart 2-3 times a week. Even though my sets were in the "hypertrophy range," and I got stronger and stronger for a long time, there wasn't much visible change in my body after my newbie gains. Back then, the idea of doing 6-7 hard sets of big compounds instead of 3-4 was horrifying, but when I tried it I realized I was still getting the same strength gains, I didn't get as fatigued as I thought I would, it didn't even get me too sore, I could still train just as frequent. But the difference is, I was now getting visibly bigger. Through trial and error, I figured 70 quality reps per session, half of them being 5 reps or closer to failure (doesn't matter if it is completed in 6 sets or 12 sets as long as I am not getting too weak to do just like 5-6 reps with 60% of my 1RM, which feels like junk volume), done 2-3 times a week gave me the best size. The thing is, it is not sustainable. So when I got too weak after a few sets, or the sessions started feeling too stale, more fatiguing than stimulating, I would decrease the volume significantly and work just for strength for a while, then slowly build my volume up again. Then I came across Mike, and I noticed his method was similar. You said most people's problem wasn't volume, which I would agree. But most people aren't advanced, and I think Mike's focus is to optimize growth in advanced lifters. If you must bench 135 and do just a couple plates off the stack on peck dec flys, in order to match your weekly volume, then yeah what the hell are you really doing. Most people just need to get stronger, and size follows. But there comes a time when you need more volume to get hypertrophy stimulus. Your work load capacity and recovery capacity must increase significantly before you worry about doing more. Otherwise you must trade intensity for volume, that means you are not ready for it, or even need it.
@thomasarnett87596 жыл бұрын
Loved this u should get a round table with Jordan sometime
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
He's an interesting character - Pascal
@MiguelDeDios096 жыл бұрын
Here for the comments and the topic ;)
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Hehe, legit ;) - Pascal
@fabiencalonne10526 жыл бұрын
Quality content!
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Cheers Fabien :) - Pascal
@Leon-pq5kl6 жыл бұрын
Exciting!
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoyed it - Pascal
@Leon-pq5kl6 жыл бұрын
@@ReviveStronger Yes I did! Scott and Mike are great together. I would love to see that combination more often!
@wesfin Жыл бұрын
36:55-54:55, 1:06:10-1:13:10
@Postermaestro6 жыл бұрын
Is there a reason why the itunes upload is always later than the youtube upload? I want so badly to listen to this during today's cardio, guess I'll have to save it for tomorrow :^)
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
The issue is Itunes itself. Sorry - Pascal
@Postermaestro6 жыл бұрын
ah got it!
@fenderman21guitar6 жыл бұрын
On the plus side its like getting a sneak preview of the next episode! This is one ill def be listening to while im meant to be doing ‘work’ 😂
@ЧеловекСталь-и1ц4 жыл бұрын
01:05 - Скот . похоже что ... я пришел к тому ... 9:30 - Майк . 10 фунтов на 40 подходов 10:10 - один подход это минимальное количество на группу мышц в неделю Рони Колмэн , большие веса , быстрые мышечные волокна .
@ReviveStronger4 жыл бұрын
The translation wasn't the greatest so I'm just gonna say thanks for listening :) - Coach Jess
@ЧеловекСталь-и1ц4 жыл бұрын
@@ReviveStronger :D
@claudes.whitacre12414 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I ever heard this...The training makes you Mr. Olympia. The steroids allow you to survive the training. Outstanding insights.
@dutifitnesscoaching24346 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this happen! Like always 💪
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening ;) - Pascal
@EmperorPenguinXRemas6 жыл бұрын
I never knew this 1:07. I get sore as fuck from 6 sets of side delts. So, maybe I should lower my volume. 🤔
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Very well be possible - Pascal
@Kdf_416 жыл бұрын
You guys need to upload your podcasts to Spotify. Can’t find ya!
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, am contemplating doing that :) - Pascal
@Kdf_416 жыл бұрын
Revive Stronger it’s a great format for podcasting. I prefer it to iTunes any day. Hope to see your great discussions up there soon!!
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
@@Kdf_41 I'd just like to edit the first episodes, which haven't been edited because I wasn't around at that time :)
@Kdf_416 жыл бұрын
Revive Stronger you guys are the SHIT! It’s all up on Spotify!!
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
@@Kdf_41 it is? Haha, Steve did it behind my back then ;P
@b.n77876 жыл бұрын
About the progression scheme with adding sets. Can somebody explain briefly what it is? You obviously can't add sets forever and volume will be different when recovery is worse/better. Okay, you are getting stronger, why should you add more sets?
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Eugene - Pascal
@SilmShandy3 жыл бұрын
More volume is not better only better if you are recovering for it
@jurjenbavelaar15586 жыл бұрын
YES! Just YES!
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Yes!
@invisipunk6 жыл бұрын
'You fucking grind everyday, brother!'
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Hehe, the moral of the story - Pascal
@AndJusTIceForRob Жыл бұрын
“But, baby, my quads, done say things like that.” -Dr. Mike, 2019
@eddiebarton72173 жыл бұрын
insane knowledge
@ReviveStronger3 жыл бұрын
Those two bring a lot to the table haha! Thanks for watching! - Coach Jess
@lylemcdonaldisright6 жыл бұрын
You know, I'm still not sure why people are so intent on criticizing my criticism of Brad's study and I base this on the following. Well I am sure, see below. The aftermath of the drama: Eric Helms recommends 10-20 sets in MASS His new Strength Pyramid recommends 10-20 sets per week Krieger, on Instagram talked about his high volume phases...of 20 sets/week even Dr. Mike up here REDUCDED his volume recs to 20/week based on his own study I can guarantee you that Brad isn't doing 45 sets/week So exactly what is this criticism of my criticisms except a bunch of noise? If you thought Brad's study had an iota of truth, they'd do the workout. Because end of the day you are ALL agreeing with my conclusions from my volume and hypertrophy series. So how about being intellectually honest for once: You don't like me. Which is fine. I'm mean, foulmouthed and have the audacity to criticize the Internet circle jerk. You guys are more than happy to criticize people (well, me), but you give each other a pass for garbage. Gotta stay on that lucrative seminar circuit. And in this case, what really bugs you...I was right all along. 45 sets/week is nonsense and even Brad's study didn't support it. Brad's paper was a methodological garbage fire. The stats didn't support the results, Brad doesn't get to do the Ultrasound HIMSELF unblinded and say it's ok "because you can trust him". He doesn't get to LIE in the discussion. Greg Knuckols wrote his MASS piece about how to spot shoddy research and Brad's paper failed HALF the points. You can nitpick me all you want but it doesn't matter. The paper was a failure on every level. Even if weren't a methodological garbage fire, the FACT is that you don't believe the results enough to DO THE WORKOUT. Like I said, Mike: just be honest, you don't like me. Say that and I'd respect you. But that would take more guts than you have. As it is, you're just blowing smoke like the rest. Criticizing and nitpicking what I said about Brad's study while tacitly agreeing with me. Or you'd do the workout. Or stop giving recommendations identical to time. The most important reason you're still on about this: I was right from the get go. And it must really chafe your butt. But you can't admit it. Not with me. So you keep up with this nonsense. All the best, brah.
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Lyle, I'm only delivering the message due to you guys blocked each other over on Facebook. Based on your comment, Mike responded with the following. Mike Israetel: "Lyle has me blocked but please tell him this: I formally challenge him to a video debate on training volume. I don’t like him, and have no problem telling him to his face why I think so, and would love to do that over a discussion about training volume. Lyle, you going to accept?" We'd be more than happy to give you the platform for a debate. - Pascal
@Rensoku6116 жыл бұрын
i love this drama
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
I'd love to have an orchestra following me from now on, supporting everything with a bit of ambient music - Pascal
@berrysliwa16 жыл бұрын
This is fun:D Lyle, i don't think your criticism is criticized as per se, but the form in which you have expressed it. It was funny, silly and disrespectful, this is why, in my opinion, they don't take you seriously...
@6maxgrinder5495 жыл бұрын
Hell, Arnold was the king of volume and never did 45 sets per muscle
do we will sea some stuff more about strenght power preformance or maybev you know as amazing chanels as you but more about preformance?
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Powerlifting, strongman? Something like that?
@vardaspavarde84806 жыл бұрын
yes but also would like to hear some stuff about explosivnes and speed to but also intrested in powerlifting and strogman
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Reactive Training Systems, The Strength Athlete and Juggernaut podcast :) - Pascal
@vardaspavarde84806 жыл бұрын
thanks for the info man 👊
@grizzlymanverneteil44436 жыл бұрын
Blast and cruise for gainz, gotcha
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Haha, the only takeaway this time^^ - Pascal
@grizzlymanverneteil44436 жыл бұрын
Lol I know how to pick out the key points and never take anything the wrong way lol
@grizzlymanverneteil44436 жыл бұрын
Blast at 20 g creatine a day and cruise at 5 g.
@77dris6 жыл бұрын
Time to step up the audio game here. It’s not 1999
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
You don't have to tell us, tell it to the expert with their mic and internet connection. We only receive the audio and have to work with what we receive. Feel free to send them a message - Pascal
@Qwerty_7896 жыл бұрын
shutup 77dris
@czx55556 жыл бұрын
Mikes a funny dude.
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
He definitely is! - Pascal
@troyrowden6366 жыл бұрын
Fuck yeah!
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Yeah yeah yeah! - Pascal
@vardaspavarde84806 жыл бұрын
so can dude with great genetics get those guys size while training smart hard and eating a lot off clean food?
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
I think that most guys can achieve impressive results with consistent and smart training paired with a structured nutritional setup - Pascal
@Postermaestro6 жыл бұрын
What Pascal means to say is that you cannot get to their size without using steroids and other PEDs. But you can get GREAT results (as in jacked and shredded) without using them and be healthier too, just not 240 lbs shredded.
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
@@Postermaestro yes, thanks for clarifying and sorry if I wasn't clear enough! - Pascal
@SKOLBEARDCOMPANY4 жыл бұрын
Audio quality is so shit. Content is so good.
@ReviveStronger4 жыл бұрын
It's not the guests duty to have the best internet connenction and mic. I'd love if we could fly people in but as long as we can't, I think we should be appreciative that people like this are willing to offer their time. - Pascal
@gamerchristina10793 жыл бұрын
💪💪❤️❤️‼️
@ReviveStronger3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! - Coach Jess
@areenmc70334 жыл бұрын
Take aways : take every set to failure
@ReviveStronger4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, definitely not xD - Coach Jess
@MrTas443 жыл бұрын
Nop
@AntstrengthUnlimited5 жыл бұрын
hahaha i love the frustration from mike about people who do not understand training, i was a cert trainer thru nasm and can relate to some peoples lack of ability or desire to want to understand the guidelines, " why dont we do ten times the volume too and fucking magicaly lift the weight with our minds"
@ReviveStronger5 жыл бұрын
Don't even get me started^^ - Pascal
@zombiedrumma5 жыл бұрын
"Noooo, I don't want more volume!"
@ReviveStronger5 жыл бұрын
I think the MRV of Zombies is quite high though - Pascal
@oznerolirarref6 жыл бұрын
Babe, my quads!!!
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, best scene! - Pascal
@animal93706 жыл бұрын
I think Lyle McDonald would disagree with Mike. LOL..
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
He repeatedly said, they do agree...whereas Mike then replied, that they don't ;) - Pascal
@raffaelecorrente11236 жыл бұрын
Schoenfeld research summary is: shitty high volume CAN be better that shitty medium volume and shitty medium volume CAN BE better than shitty low volume. What about "quality" volume? is quality high volume better that high quality medium volume? we don't know, but according to previous researches, it should not be.
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Can you define quality volume. I mean, I have my own understanding for it but what's your view on it in regards to research and especially this study? - Pascal
@nadaraan6 жыл бұрын
@@ReviveStronger I think he's talking about this: imgur.com/a/sRneWOO In Brad's study the 9 set group got as much progress as the 3 set group of Ostrowski's study. And the 27 set group of Brad's as much as the 6 set group of Ostrowski's. That implies that Brad's study had a lot of junk volume in my opinion. The screenshot is from Lyle's article.
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Ah, I see. I interpreted it differently. I think this article covers the question quite well. Other than that, I'd suggest reading the final response of all the critique: weightology.net/why-do-resistance-training-studies-differ-in-their-findings-a-lesson-in-sampling-variance/?fbclid=IwAR0l8pf9Gryxb5uF1PCbCUwR9SXChayvS7Nk9N9ClcyXuQrml5zHJyHxnmc weightology.net/lessons-in-confirmation-bias-double-standards-strawmen-edema-blinding-and-research-critiques-my-final-response-on-our-volume-study/?fbclid=IwAR2-Z_Uz1x96zsx_qk_MotQJobKse9855b31VIkkR5Kh_sXDYJgWHGgcbLY
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Ouw, wait a second, just seen that this was you Rafaelle on one of James posts: facebook.com/james.krieger1/posts/10155766748593587 "self-claiming scientist: you guys are not scientists, you are personal trainers collecting shitty datas. The sad part of the story is that you are unable to do it. Anyway, JK, your picture is the best proof about your knowledge." Sorry, it seems like this wasn't a question but more so that you're stating your views on the study. Interesting conversation ;)
@raffaelecorrente11236 жыл бұрын
@Revive Stronger Thanks for question. I would like to ignore all the methodological problems that are related to Schoenfeld's research to focus directly on my point. short rest pause and total fatigue reduce performance and, consequentially, time under dimension/mechanical load. Let me assume that the guys having 5 sets squat/90 sec rest decrease, set after sets, reps, tempo or loads. if they were allowed to use longer rest, they could have higher loads or reps. let me say that the kind of training the guys in the study were having was mainly a "metabolic" work, so I'm not surprised that the HV group got better results than LV group. But what if they took longer rest or had their squat at the beginning of the workout? What if they pushed more weight? This research doesn't help to understand what could happen.
@Evtng6 жыл бұрын
So Lyle goes out of his way to comment on here and instigate a confrontation, but then "can't be bothered with this bullshit."
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Ever since that, we continuously received messages on facebook with us saying "Let's make a public discussion out of it"...but he denies, invests hours on end to record videos, create a blog post, facebook messages, comments but "won't waste 1hour of his time" (his words)....hypocrite - Pascal
@Evtng6 жыл бұрын
@@ReviveStronger So strange. 🤷♂️
@soofitnsexy3 жыл бұрын
lyle is so full of shit...just LOOK AT HIM....hes a fuckin cyclist....what a joke
@MrDevianceh6 жыл бұрын
"I'd be one F-ed up motherfucker" Awesome self censoring Scott
@relentlessvegeta6 жыл бұрын
Drama damn bro
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Haha, it's tiresome :D - Pascal
@matheusbuniottoa.25576 жыл бұрын
OOOOOOH SHITTTTTT
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Yeeeah! - Pascal
@lylemcdonaldisright6 жыл бұрын
So Mike wants a public debate. About what? It'll take 5 minutes to go "everybody concluded that about 10-20 sets was correct like I said all along and have said for 15 years" What else is there other than people don't like me b/c I'm an a-hole which I won't debate b/c it's true and I don't give the first damn what any of you think about me. Seriously, what's to debate? But I'll show up for 5 minutes so we can tell each other we dislike each other and then agree on volume recommendations per week.
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
I think it's only fair to share this so that people don't just see one side of the coin: SUN 22:02 Lyle : This will be faster although I've sent it to you individually. What is the point of this to begin with, a question to either of you: But what's to debate? I said 10-20 sets per week based on the extant literature. That's what it supports and you know it. And there's more data coming showing moderate volumes trump higher. And let's see, Eric says 10-20 sets/week in both MASS and his Strength Pyramid book, James is using 20 sets for a volume phase. Krieger is now saying 8-10 sets/workout is max stimulus which yields 16-20 per week. facebook.com/search/top/?q=pascal%20flor&epa=SEARCH_BOX You cut your volume to 20 sets.. Your own paper supported that, above 20 sets and the gains were water. you have at least some intellectual honesty Mike. It's amazing, it all hits the same numbers when you pay attention to well-done science. Which Brad's paper was not. So a. Clearly none of the guru crew actually believe Brad's results. Or you'd use them. b. We are all in agreement. c. I was right from the start (which is what really bothers you) So what the hell is there to debate exactly? So it'll be 5 minutes going "We don't like each other but 10-20 sets is about right." Fantastic, let me know when you have 5 minutes free and I'll see if my schedule can fit it in. Lyle : Wrong link above twitter.com/drdesouzaeo/status/1091728343777595393?s=12&fbclid=IwAR0awz0HWpTRodEmrXKWpnYJivRkQJq-t65pnoXhbOFdrppLWuTpTnl4tU0 Eduardo De Souza PhD on Twitter “After a long period of data collection, I don't have a question we will publish the volume study with most trained subjects, so far. Squat 1RM/body mass ratio: ~2.01, BF% ~11.0%. Check it out! Kudos to @dan_aube,@TanujWadhi, @JTRAUCH.” Lyle: Last one, hey Mike, why not just challenge me to a boxing match. Seriously, I WILL TELL HIM TO HIS FACE. Yeah, I get it, I'm a foul-mouthed asshole who thinks you're wrong about everything. And most importantly: I'm usually right. * I formally challenge him to (...). Next sentence: I don't like him and have no problem telling him to his face why I think so (...) Whatever, I can chime in for 5 minutes when Y'all are free . Mike says he agrees with everything I wrote about volume. I figured it out, he doesn't know what debate means. You have to disagree over something to debate. de·bate a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward. There is no disagreement. Except for us dislike each other, Mike. Whatever, I'll give up 5 minutes for this nonsense to go "we agree:" and go do something more productive. there's no debate if there is no disagreement. And there's not. I am glad that everyone finally came around to realizing I was right, though. I mean right from the start. All the best fellas. So tell you what, Mike. Go tell your fans that I punked out like a little bitch. Put up a YT video telling me TO MY FACE (not on video) why you dislike me. You can be the badass here. I'll keep being right. I seriously can't be bothered with this pointless bullshit. so you win this. You called me out. I backed down. If I gave a shat about what every fool in this industry thought about me to address it I'd never get jack shit done. So you can be right. I'm a pussy. I'm still right. Biyo fellas. Mike : You are backing down? Why? It should be easy to school me in front of everyone and show them you’re right. You’ve been shit talking me for so long... here’s your chance to rub my face in it with your superior intellect. Why miss this chance? Lyle : One more guys, a genuine question: Why am I the one on trial for criticizing Brad's study? Especially when I was clearly correct since everybody agrees with me? Why have NONE of you people called out BRAD for his actions? I'm not the one at fault here, I was right all along. Brad: 1. didn't blind the Ulstrasound measurements. Huge bias but Brad thinks he is above the scientific method. 2. the stats didn't support the conclusion. Bf10 less than 3 is meaningless. 3. he lied in the discussion That's what's important here. And everybody is ignoring it. We all agree on volume recommendations. It's done. Move on. There's NO debate to be had. Like I said, Mike, you can have this one. I have better things to do than make us BFF's by agreeing. You can get everybody on yoru wall all up in arms about how Lyle is a fucking coward. It's all good, bro. Except that, end of the day I was right from the start. And that's all I care about. Mike : That’s all very interesting stuff and there’s lots of nuance here to discuss. Let’s take it to KZbin? I don’t think you’re completely correct. I think you’re wrong on major points. I disagree with you. If you think you’re right and I’m as dumb as you say, this debate should be an easy way to show your supremacy, I think. Lyle : I'll make you a deal. Mike you call BRAD out on what he did, and I'll do a podcast with you. Show me that YOU have the guts to apply the same attitude to HIS bullshit as mine. Get Pascal to host it and just bring up all of my criticisms: 1. Why was it ok to do the Ultrasoudn in an unblinded fashion, raising, according to Cochrane a high level of bias? 1a. Why is saying "you can trust me" considered a valid explanation? 2. According to all statistical standards, Bf10 values of less tahn 3 are meaningless/weak/anecdotal. How can your BF10 values, all less than 3 support your strongly worded conclusion? Especially when the P values for the moderate and high volume groups showed no difference? 3. Why did you misrepresent the Ostrowski data. It clearly showed a plateau at 14 sets with 28 showing no further growth. By only presenting the 7 and 28 set data, you made it look like it agreed with you when it did not. 4. You expect everyone to respond to your criticisms of their work. Why are you above the same? So that's the deal Mike. I'm not on trial here. Brad is the one at fault but I'm the easy target because you won't lose your seminar spot by coming at me and nobody likes me anyhow. Call him out publicly, do a YT debate and I'll do one with you on training volume. Promise. why do I suspect I'll be waiting a long time.... Mike : Lyle, there’s no ‘trial’ here. YOU went on KZbin and brought the argument to ME. Let’s argue! Don’t confuse me for brad.
@WizzdummHeadley Жыл бұрын
I want to see someone/anyone demonstrate for us all to see 10 sets to REAL failure NOT fake failure in a session, CRICKETS commence to squeaking LOL!!!
@optimisticoutreach12365 жыл бұрын
Starting a petition where only MEDICAL DOCTORS should use Dr, before their names. M.D's vs a few semesters after a BS/BA...
@ReviveStronger5 жыл бұрын
Good luck with that. What about Doctors who are quacks? - Pascal
@Kidspider246 жыл бұрын
Lol 5x15 =45?
@Qwerty_7896 жыл бұрын
5*15=45+30 ****** :)
@nllc97796 жыл бұрын
All the dislikes on this are from Lyle.
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
Still surprised that it's only that few. Was expecting much more hate xD - Pascal
@nllc97796 жыл бұрын
@@ReviveStronger everyone must have went over to revfit and revolution strength 😆
@ReviveStronger6 жыл бұрын
@@nllc9779 HAHAHA! And they didn't know why they're receiving so much hate, haha