093: The Dr's Roundtable - Mike Israetel & Eric Helms: Overload & Muscle Damage for Hypertrophy

[@ReviveStronger]

Timestamps: 00:32 Eric defines what exactly progressive overload is? 02:36 Eric then talks about different ways to progress specifically for hypertrophy 05:50 Mike shares his thoughts on ways to progressively overload 16:20 Eric responds to Mike's hierarchy of progression models 21:49 Eric touches on the accumulated progression model of MEV to MRV 28:34 Mike comments back to Eric's criticism of the hierarchy and MRV concept 46:41 Eric asks Mike about the role and importance of muscle damage for hypertrophy 52:54 Eric talks about his stance on muscle damage in regards to hypertrophy 58:30 Mike responds to Eric's opinion 01:08:46 The two discuss how to assess progress starting with Eric 01:16:04 Mike shares his way of assessing progress

[@TheFrankHuda]

That is quality right there, painstakingly writing out all these timestamps. What a great channel

[@jacopopio680]

Whaaaat? A new Mike Israetel & Eric Helms roundtable? Feels like Christmas!

[@ReviveStronger]

Enjoy!!

[@CALISUPERSPORT]

"If the bar ain't bendin, you're probably pretendin'" LOL I love Eric's low key delivery.

[@ReviveStronger]

Haha, dat good ol sayin - Pascal

[@MarioTomicOfficial]

Great job Steve for organizing this one! And of course thanks to Eric and Mike for the massive value and being so generous with their time.

[@ReviveStronger]

Mario, always good to see you around ;)

[@jackryan5766]

4 year old video and I still come back to it, every few months. They really are thought leaders in this space, thank you Revive Stronger for bringing them on, Happy 2023!

[@ReviveStronger]

100% - Steve

[@The10Daniel10]

Ohh hell yeahh!!! I've been waiting soo bad for this one! I know even before listening this is gold. Thank you once again Steve your hard and amazing work deserves wayyy more appreciation than what it receives!

[@ReviveStronger]

Daniel, always good to see you regularly here :)

[@The10Daniel10]

Revive Stronger Steve, come on man, with this amazing content how can I not be? Haha

[@smarttrainingnutrition1046]

Insta like. I LOVE videos with Eric & Mike . Keep killing it Steve 👍

[@ReviveStronger]

Always good to see you around :)

[@michaelyiochalas3369]

Best fitness channel by far. These videos, perfectly organised with time markers in each description, are pure gold. Thank you and well frickin fuckin done Steve! Best wishes from the birthplace of Milo of Croton (you know, the guy with the the baby cow) , father of progressive overload and GAINZ ;)

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks a tonne Michael!!

[@fitnessmmaplaylists3548]

Dude keep these podcasts coming this is a goldmine for every serious weight lifters. Thanks a lot

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks mate, we definitely will as long as they're wanted :)

[@elrondlariel6524]

Man, if there were such a thing as a library of essential content, this episode would be included no doubt. Personally I follow all the things Eric and Mike, but usually I'm left with some questions regarding how they're on the same page when it comes to the science but in the application they differ on some relevant things, but not in a way that conflicts with each other's postulates, so I'm left wondering if it's a matter of one way of doing things being right or wrong, or if they're both right with just different approaches. Like for example how they prefer to increase (Mike) or decrease (Eric) volume within a mesocycle, but how looking at it in the long term things end up being more or less the same. This episode tied a lot of loose ends I had. Just great!

[@ReviveStronger]

Exactly out intention with this! Happy to hear that you enjoyed it

[@jordanholcombe9153]

Legit, can't get much better than these two when It comes to discussing hypertrophy.

[@dontdrinkcola]

For real Steve ? Where do you pull of those brilliant ideas to make such amazing podcasts ?

[@ReviveStronger]

All from you guys. Supply and demand ;)

[@ekiboi5746]

A one video you can put a thumbs up before watching, freaking amazing. This is goin to be LIT

[@ReviveStronger]

I swear, this is one of the best episodes so far!

[@russellion31]

What type of person would dislike this video?Steve, your getting close to 10k subscribers! Good job man, keep 'em coming!

[@ReviveStronger]

Honestly, I don't know :D And it was right at the beginning

[@elkenbuild5996]

helll yessss this was so amazing thank you all, Eric, Mike and Steve for making this happen! All of your info saved me so many gains. BiiiiiG thanks

[@ReviveStronger]

Always Elkie, aaaalways

[@MrDraxz]

I been waiting for this thanks Steve and Mike/Eric. I had to watch a couple times just to adsorb all the info. Defiantly in my bookmarks.

[@ReviveStronger]

Me too and stay tuned, more to come ;)

[@JohnSmith-dy3ck]

The way I’ve always done it since hearing Mike Israetel is like this: start off a mesocycle around the MEV with a weight that is around an RPE of 7 or 8, or roughly 2 to 4 reps from failure. Each week, add 1 to 2 sets per body part (depending on whether or not I’m specializing on a body part or not) until I reach my MRV. Then I de-load, add weight and/or reps to each exercise, and do it all over again

[@ReviveStronger]

Yeah, and that's where people go wrong :S Basically speaking, that's the way but practically it's not possible

[@patrickjohnson2963]

Revive Stronger sounds fine to me..why is that wrong/not possible? Is that not pretty much how many of RPs clients train? Do you mean that some people are misinterpeting this and therefore it don't work for them in practice, but for people who do understand the concept it works fine?

[@patrickjohnson2963]

Revive Stronger i might have misinterpereted your answer though...

[@joshuagn]

Always great seeing mike and Eric talk together

[@ReviveStronger]

They are now a couple I heard

[@brandonhutchins3041]

This channel is binge worthy!

[@ReviveStronger]

Without sounding narcissistic, I do agree! - Coach Pascal (Revive Stronger Coach)

[@aznericxD]

40 min in and it’s been a goldmine of info, insights, theories and speculations based on literature that I could never acquire myself

[@ReviveStronger]

Eric, thanks man! - Pascal

[@CraigCastanet]

Progression seems to be the message. The easiest way to do that, is to add one rep. And it doesn't have to be within your present number of sets. Add weight when your reps exceed your desired number within a set. I have learned so much from these scientists, and am so appreciative that, finally, after 46 years of training, I am training more effectively, and probably safely, so that I can continue until I kick-off- probably in the gym. Thanks guys.

[@ReviveStronger]

Yeps, it always is! Great to hear that you took so much away from these things - Pascal

[@kanaanlebanon]

Thanks for doing this guys! crazy amount of good info💪

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks for the support!

[@burner1303]

I loved the discussion of criticism, what is good criticism, how to respond well to criticism, etc. To me, that's the most important thing science has taught me, and I think you 3 do a great job highlighting this important value. This is great for discussing lifting, or any other topic in life, and helps one stay humble.

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks so much for your support and input! - Pascal

[@DaneKnightonFIT]

45:00 laughing my ass off. Great podcast Steve! Great to hear both of these guys POV'S.

[@ReviveStronger]

They should get a room..

[@DaneKnightonFIT]

:) Hahaha witty AF

[@eukleidesk6759]

You know these videos are valuable when you return to re-watch them several times.

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks in doing so - Pascal

[@ridgereid7237]

Another awesome podcast. Absolutely killing it! Thank you.

[@ReviveStronger]

Always happy to see you around Ridge :)

[@strongerentrenamiento]

This is pure knowledge...excellent podcast...thank you steve!

[@ReviveStronger]

Always!

[@justinjnoble]

This was awesome man! I'm actually happy that they largely agreed on things, makes everything more clear haha. One thing I'd love to see would be a debate with you vs someone! Be cool to see your views and what you take from people you have on the podcast and maybe what you disagree with! Cheers for the awesome content.

[@ReviveStronger]

If people would be interested, I'd be down for that :)

[@berrysliwa1]

My wife had to work today (saturday) and forced me to do some house work:) Thanks to your great podcast i managed to turn this into knowledgeable LISS session!!! And my flat is shining :) I will complain to make her grateful, but it was actually quite productive time ;)

[@ReviveStronger]

Hahaha, and there are plenty more episodes for you. You can surprise her with an even cleaner household ;P - Coach Pascal

[@Amanda-ro9cn]

Love listening to both of them! Incredible content! 😁

[@ReviveStronger]

Happy to hear you enjoyed it :)

[@Amanda-ro9cn]

Revive Stronger I do have a quick question. Is RPE and RIR essentially the same thing? Both can be used with their average percentages per 1RM?

[@ReviveStronger]

Yes it is. RPE - Rate of perceived exertion as it's from a scale from back in the days which was modified by Mike Tuchscherer RIR - Is basically a simplistic model of "Reps in Reserve" instead of ranging from 0->10 it's from 10->0

[@Amanda-ro9cn]

Revive Stronger got it! Thank you very much! 😊

[@suhwateezea.214]

Definitely agree with Dr. Mike's take on not working out past your recovery threshold. I believe that's one of the errors I made which caused me burnout my CNS and get injured. I really enjoy these talking points and there is so much knowledge to soak in but it's all about applying the knowledge to your life, your routines, etc

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks for sharing! - Coach Jess

[@seryjnymeteopata2162]

it was just GREAT. interesting thing Dr. Mike said, that the expectations about this kind of roundtable is fight of two pittbulls. and i think it is not like that - if those two guys agree on something, it's even more enjoyable and informative - i have this feeling "good, probably that's what is going to work". so - agreement on the topic is just as good (or even better), than a pitbull fight :)

[@ReviveStronger]

Glad to hear that you enjoyed it :)

[@Ken32329]

Thank you for the excellent podcast! would DR.Mike talk more concept about powerlifting training in the future ? Such as beginner to advance programming, how to modify the program by using the 7 principles, etc. Can't wait to see more.

[@ReviveStronger]

Ar, thanks a tonne! Nah, probably not. We're more so focussing on physique sports, sorry.

[@haczabim]

Great information! Sickening science for growth

[@ReviveStronger]

Happy that you liked it! - Pascal

[@haczabim]

@@ReviveStronger yes! As well as many of the other videos in the channel. Thank you!

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks!!

[@allanlaubeau2462]

Thank you Steve, excellent podcast as always !

[@ReviveStronger]

You're welcome :)

[@giulioramazio]

Great Channel Steve, found you recently and caught up with all the podcasts - great stuff!

[@ReviveStronger]

Cheers buddy. Hope you Enjoy all the content :)

[@dramafree2474]

Muscoli A Vita I've been doing the same thing

[@aleksi.niemela]

Awesome! Guys keep doing what you do :)

[@ReviveStronger]

Aleksi, thanks for the support!

[@leokovacevic2613]

awsome guys!!!😀cant wait till next podcast

[@ReviveStronger]

It's coming in a couple of hours ;)

[@edwardc.4487]

I love these podcasts man! Good work fellas!

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks Edward :)

[@lunaticwerewolf]

When Eric or Mike say "volume", is it fair to replace that with "volume load"? I've heard Schoenfeld suggest that the combined value is the primary driver of hypertrophy.

[@ReviveStronger]

Mmh, not always. But in this case I'd say yes.

[@Husan645]

Thank you Steve 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@ReviveStronger]

Thank you Husan ;) - Pascal

[@segason6]

Dark Seid and Captain America

[@griffingeode]

I had to listen to that part at 39:20 over again because it was difficult to follow while doing a set to failure.

[@ReviveStronger]

Hahaha

[@danielday-lewis9176]

Hi Steve, great podcast - as always with Mike and Eric. I have one question for Mike (plz excuse me on my not so good english). In one of the podcast Mike mentioned that he has to eat pretty frequently because of hypoglycemia (and that is because of extremely good insulin sensitivity). Plz correct me if i understand it In a wrong way. Anyway, I feel that I have something similiar. My first 3-4 cutting, I had zero problems with hypoglycemia, long fasting (even 24 hours, I prefered Intermittent Fasting, it was comfortable for me ) etc. But this year I can’t fasting that long. In the afternoon my my sugar is very low (68 mg/d), my hands are cold, and I must eat something ( i dont have to be hungry, Just feel that i have to put In my body some calories) To loss weight with such symptoms seems imposibble for me, cause I am scared being on deficyt - and also I am scared that I "broke" something in body, because I am not able to fasting like I used to:( I examined myself on diabetes etc . and everything is perfect, I was searching everywhere (Internet and doctors) and when Mike said about his hypoglycemia on podcast it made me think, that he knowi how to Deal with this while cutting. Would be very grateful for any kind of response. Thanks

[@ReviveStronger]

For a question like this, we created our facebook group: facebook.com/groups/revivestronger/

[@danielday-lewis9176]

Thnx, I will try to join then:)

[@abhisharma868]

Good job mate Keep it up the good work

[@ravagetime]

ARX machines are computer powered resistance machines that track performance of each exercise so you can see how you are improving from the previous exercise.

[@alternativerightarchive8061]

Another great podcast Steve! Regarding differences in hypertrophy programming between Dr. Israetel & Dr. Helms: both gentlemen tend to agree on a similar range of volume per body-part per week in conversation, however, in Dr. Helms' The Muscle and Strength Training Pyramid book, the example Intermediate Bodybuilding Program prescribes only 5 sets per week for bicep training. By contrast, Dr. Israetel recommends between 14- 20 sets during the MAV weeks of a mesocycle, approaching up to 26 sets for the MRV week. Has Dr. Helms' ever explained why his recommendations are so low in volume for bicep hypertrophy?

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks mate! I'm not Eric nor Mike, so I can't speak for them, however, I'd recommend you reading Mike's volume landmarks because this isn't what he's prescribing for biceps.

[@alternativerightarchive8061]

I appreciate that, Steve. I'm referencing Mike's volume distribution for direct bicep training from MAV to MRV here: renaissanceperiodization.com/bicep-training-tips-hypertrophy/ Vs. Helms' incredibly low volume by comparison here: rippedbody.com/intermediate-bodybuilding-program/

[@ReviveStronger]

Yeah and I was referring to that as well. When you read through what Mike is suggesting then you can answer it yourself really ;) But to make it obvious, it's the MV/MEV you should look at: MV: If you haven’t been training biceps directly, then no direct biceps work is needed to keep your gains, so long as you’re doing plenty of pulling work. But if you’re used to training biceps directly, 4-6 direct sets per week are recommended to keep the size on.MEV: Most intermediate-advanced lifters need at least 8 sets of direct biceps work per week to make gains. However, you might be able to gain bicep size on even lower set numbers if your program has lots of pulling work for the back. Also, keep in mind that both are general recommendations. Eric once said that, of course, if he gives out a programme and can't control the variables, he keeps it fairly simplistic and general.

[@alternativerightarchive8061]

Having listened to all of your content with Mike, for which I a deeply grateful, I know that you are more than aware that advising an intermediate bodybuilder to concentrate on RP's MV/MEV when comparing volume with the M&S Pyramid sample routine is not correct. MV can be discounted immediately as this only applies to rare cases of illness or breaks from training. MEV is only for the intro week of the mesocycle, whereas Eric's routine sets apply to an entire mesocycle. To make a fair comparison, it's the middle of the MAV recommendation that you should look at, which is 17 sets. Eric himself is currently stating that 10-20 sets per week per body-part is best: kzbin.info/www/bejne/apSZgpKGraqkgLsm26s

[@alternativerightarchive8061]

The reason for bringing this up, is not to be pedantic or start arguments, but to respectfully highlight why it is that the general bodybuilding public have the opinion that Dr. Israetel and Dr. Helms have vastly different interpretations of volume and periodisation science for hypertrophy. Mike and RP's content is always consistent and I'd be interested to hear him critique the The Muscle and Strength Training Pyramid routines. For example, the violation of specificity with the high intensity 3-5 rep sets at RPE 8-9.

[@Smithster80]

I believe the fst-7 training coined by hany rambod is the sort of post training occlusion you mentioned and it shows to work well in his Olympia level athletes

[@ReviveStronger]

The question is though, is it the training style or the additional volume? I'd assume the latter - Pascal

[@JohnSmith-dy3ck]

Why is it necessary to periodize RPE/RIR? Why not keep it at an RPE of 8 or 9, increase volume from MEV to MRV from microcycle to microcycle, deload, add weight and/or reps and do it again? Is it a fatigue issue?

[@ReviveStronger]

Nothing is necessary and periodisation is only a way to structure and manage and manipulate fatigue and strategical overloading.

[@MMRSean]

Do you mean there’s a deload round table featuring Eric and Mike coming soon to the channel?

[@ReviveStronger]

What makes you think that?

[@MMRSean]

Revive Stronger 1:08:40, or did I mis-interpret?

[@ReviveStronger]

;P

[@AL3XGZa]

Awesome!

[@jonasschwartz]

Can anyone find the Loenneke study on post-set occlusion mentioned by Mike @ 36:30? I'd love to check that out.

[@ReviveStronger]

scholar.google.com/citations?user=VmtuZVsAAAAJ&hl=en Probably the third one :)

[@jonasschwartz]

Thank you very much! I will look through it.

[@andrijajanfranjcec6888]

Great stuff!

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks for watching :) - Coach Jess

[@gamerchristina1079]

THANKS!! 💪💪❤️❤️‼️

[@ReviveStronger]

Much welcome! - Coach Jess

[@richfv829]

Nice one specially 46:41 💪

[@ReviveStronger]

Oh yeah, enjoy!

[@JohnSmith-dy3ck]

Is increasing in relative intensity necessary though? Couldn’t you just keep the weight and RIR the same from week to week and only increase sets? I would think it would be easier to find your MRV that way. For example keep compounds like squats and bench at like RIR 3 or 4 and less taxing exercises at RIR 1?

[@ReviveStronger]

Sure thing, definitely a way to go about things. - Coach Pascal

[@suhwateezea.214]

I love these!

[@ReviveStronger]

Glad you think so, thanks for watching! - Coach Jess

[@suhwateezea.214]

@@ReviveStronger thanks for all this great content. And BTW you were looking stacked in your recent posting video. Inspiring!

[@JohnSmith-dy3ck]

Does anybody know if it’s okay to DECREASE the weight through out the workout to maintain a rep number/range?? If you’re doing, for example, 8+ sets of squats at the end of your mesocycle, surely you can’t maintain the same weight through all sets

[@ReviveStronger]

I keep the weight the same. If your performance drops that much, then you probably picked too heavy of a weight in the first place. If you start with a RIR of 3, you shouldn't end up with losing reps.

[@JohnSmith-dy3ck]

Revive Stronger so let me get this straight, are you supposed to increase volume AND load/relative intensity from microcycle to microcycle?

[@ReviveStronger]

Too broad of a question. For me, no, for someone relatively new, yes...also it depends on the progression model you're following

[@whitegatorade6209]

Is this the trailer for the new Captain America vs Hulk?

[@ReviveStronger]

It is Captain America vs. Juggernaut ;) - Coach Pascal (Revive Stronger Coach)

[@davidbakker3]

WHOOO, post-training comment incoming. My thoughts will come afterwards.

[@ReviveStronger]

All the gains

[@christopherr.matthews6899]

44.30 I actually lolled.

[@BubuBarong]

Wonderful! Thanks guys! (Kind of :-P)

[@ReviveStronger]

Hahaha, you! - Coach Pascal

[@Chaosdude341]

You know, it's funny, I watched a Jordan Peterson interview right before this, and I noticed similar mannerisms between him and Eric and Mike. I know Mike's a fan, but maybe it's just a way you being to act once you really appreciate nuance and detail. Good combination.

[@ReviveStronger]

Totally agree!

[@rudimentaryschizo2799]

Nice one guys. :) Is there really such a thing as a non-responder?

[@tomwaitsfornoone1182]

In fact Eric, I do watch the cake the entire time it bakes. *crickets*

[@ReviveStronger]

LOL - Steve

[@dompazz]

Wait, I my program of "1 doughnut, 2 doughnuts, 3 doughnuts, (deload) 3 doughnut holes," won't get me jacked? Damnit!

[@ReviveStronger]

Perhaps! Perhaps you're that one individual

[@TheDzwonu]

If the bar is not bending then you're using the right bar :D

[@ReviveStronger]

Hahaha

[@burner1303]

I replaced all my bars with bamboo, never been stronger 💪

[@w1cked001]

dat eric is a bright chap

[@ReviveStronger]

He sure is! - Coach Pascal

[@robertsB21]

Overall this is excellent. Although there is a lot of speculation/misinterpretation in the muscle fiber-type section. I really need to write a comprehensive guide to fiber adaptations with RT. Mike makes some really good points about muscle damage. The idea of studying novice trainees and muscle damage is odd since the adaptations occur relatively quickly. I think slight muscle damage may be necessary in later training stages to activate satellite cells. Not that we strive for damage, but as an indirect outcome of progressing load as they both mention in the video. Damage might be beneficial outside of the muscle contractile apparatus (eg. mitochondrial or SR).

[@ReviveStronger]

Brandon, I wasn't aware that you're listening to our podcast! Agree with both points you've brought up and both need more definitely more research but it's like Eric and Mike said, discussions like these highlight where studies could be conducted in the future and give new ideas and theories about certain topics/questions

[@robertsB21]

I may or may not have a list of studies from listening to pods :). I listen and send my athletes over to listen to your pod because they're awesome. It's great having people like you in the industry.

[@ReviveStronger]

Highly appreciated Brandon! Means so much to hear that!

[@Spungdeeper]

@23:30 like ooooo this shit is gonna get good.

[@ReviveStronger]

And it will!

[@almightybilly]

the host "completely agree with" everything and everything he hears is PUHHHFECT

[@ReviveStronger]

Please don't make fun of Steve's accent hahaha! Thanks for watching :) - Coach Jess

[@jsmithes]

Fan girling so hard right now...

[@ReviveStronger]

We all do ;P

[@sugarlife485]

DAMAGE IS THE SHIT...SORENESS AND GROWWTHHHH end of discussion.

[@bj12288]

32:50

[@theylivewesee1674]

dr. Mike G4P confirmed :-)

[@jaybhesania9247]

"If the bar ain't bending, you're just pretending" for real? I though that is just bro language!! Can someone explain me that?

[@ReviveStronger]

It is bro language but that makes it a bit funny - Pascal

[@jaybhesania9247]

@@ReviveStronger Yeah, I know of the bro language but though he was serious and recommending it😂

[@bj12288]

1:12:47

[@ReviveStronger]

?

[@bj12288]

i couldn't watch the whole thing so i just put that to remind me where i left off

[@shawnsansom6450]

Steve, may I recommend you get these guys back, with the addition of Dr. Jordan Feigenbaum from Barbell Medicine. I think he would add a slightly different perspective, and maybe a bit more disagreement on certain topics.

[@ReviveStronger]

I don't really know Dr. Feigenbaum and no offence to him, but I could think of 10 other people I'd like to get on with them.

[@gigihanmandarin]

Steve looks like a devil with angel ring halo. Are you Lucifer!?

[@BartAssink]

Stoppen at 1:33 because I’m just too spoiled to listen to mensroom audio quality. Too bad 😕

[@ReviveStronger]

Sorry about that :/ - Coach Jess

[@3Zeddy2]

Eric: "theoretically you could have hypertrophy without increasing weight, but not practically". There is no mind/spirit- body dichotomy, there is no theory-practice dichotomy. A theory that does not correspond to reality is not a theory, but a rationalist fantasy. "The New Intellectual . . . will discard . . . the soul-body dichotomy. He will discard its irrational conflicts and contradictions, such as: mind versus heart, thought versusaction, reality versus desire, the practical versus the moral. He will be an integrated man, that is: a thinker who is a man of action. He will know that ideas divorced from consequent action are fraudulent, and that action divorced from ideas is suicidal. He will know that the conceptual level of psycho-epistemology-the volitional level of reason and thought-is the basic necessity of man’s survival and his greatest moral virtue. He will know that men need philosophy for the purpose of living on earth." Ayn Rand; For The New Intellectual pg.51

[@3Zeddy2]

Thanks guys tons of insight.

[@ReviveStronger]

Always buddy

[@burner1303]

Rand breaks people's minds worse than dementia lol. Read real philosophy.

[@TwinMillMC]

I don't understand what you guys are talkin about with these time course study fibers and hypertrophy and all this crap. All I know is you lift weights eat red meat and you get bigger and stronger. Why does it have to be so complicated?

[@ReviveStronger]

Because we want to understand the mechanism behind it. If you understand how something works you can start to manipulate and control it - Pascal

[@fncr070]

Can you try to limit how long these videos are? Hour + videos are so impractical to watch all the way through.

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks for listening Alex. Sorry but this is a roundtable discussion. You have several options of splitting it into chunks yourself. There's no difference in us splitting it into two episodes or you taking a break inbetween. You don't have to listen to it all at once.

[@burner1303]

@@ReviveStronger I like the length, good to throw on in the background while doing work.