(1579) Counterfeit vs Inspired By Knives

[@dand3329]

I agree about the GEC knives , I don't even look at them anymore. If I have to jump through hoops or get on a list forget it . 😮

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

@dand3329 same here. The factory price isn't too bad, if you can get one at those prices.

[@BlueWingedRino]

The Dozier came out a good bit before the Bugout. I am pretty sure they took some inspiration from it.

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

@@BlueWingedRino That's good to know. I wasn't sure which one came out first.

[@davidkurle5418]

You made some great points in this one, buddy!👍Well done!

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

@@davidkurle5418 Thank you

[@אלכסס-ח5ג]

Speaking of clones and homages, are you getting that Wal-Mart bugout everybody talks about on KZbin?

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

@@אלכסס-ח5ג They didn't have any at my Walmart. I'm not craving it. If it's there and I'm there, I might buy one just to take it apart.

[@bdh3949]

So I've had a Delica for quite a few years, used it often back in the day. I was motivated to buy a Ganzo (Delica copy) to check out the differences. William, I prefer the Ganzo clone as the f&f is great, the action is a little better, and the ergonomics fit my hand better...go figure. So the Delica sits for now and the Ganzo gets used. I also don't have to worry about abusing it. 😀

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

@bdh3949 I have that Ganzo Delica and a real Delica in zdp189, and I agree. I think I paid like 10 dollars for the Ganzo and around 100 for the Spyderco. The Ganzo gets used more. Now I like the Endura a little bit better than the Delica because of the larger size.

[@bishop6426]

Well Willam: A counterfeit, whether it be money, or knives, or antiques, or whatever…..is designed to fool the buyer. A copy, or a salute, is obviously a cheaper version of whatever the original is and has the true makers name on it. It’s not a forgery. The buyer knows ahead of time that he/she is purchasing a cheaper item. Ganzo has done a ton of these. They are cheaper versions….but they’re not forgeries.

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

@@bishop6426 Forgery was the word I was looking for with the painting counterfeit analogy. 👍

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

On the money!

[@Tom-xb8xt]

Exactly for GEC. Will never buy due to the "shenanigans". And the Company knows and could change this, if they wanted.

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

@@Tom-xb8xt 👍

[@glenh4971]

I am an old poor retiree. I buy only cheap Chinese folding knives. I cant afford to buy good quality fakes. Have you ever priced out good quality fake Rolex watches? I cant afford them either. I like Rough Rider knives which is the main reason I watch your videos.

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

@glenh4971 Thank you. I like Rough Ryder knives a lot also. They are pretty good quality, and they remind me of the inexpensive Japanese slipjoint knives I would buy as a kid for 5 dollars or less. I think the Rough Ryders are made with better materials & just as well fit and finish if not better.

[@glenh4971]

@@WilliamsKnifeLife Agreed.

[@dwayneletterman3987]

Good Vid William ! Dig It !

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

@@dwayneletterman3987 Thank you, Dwayne

[@JoelPerri7777]

To me, a counterfeit has the branding of the expensive knives, including the packaging. Those are a no go for me, just on principles but I don’t judge others, to each their own. A clone is more of a knife that you can tell is virtually the same but different enough to tell. I know someone who bought the counterfeit bugout off Wish, then he took it to cabelas and exchanged it for a real one. I don’t know exactly how he did it, I’m assuming they maybe were going through a benchmade warranty or something, but it was the whole thing included the box. You can tell by the foam inside the box, it’s noticeably different. But regardless, I would hate to think I bought the fake one cuz I got it from that same store, and that’s how we started talking about it. But it’s the real deal. That was my first and probably only benchmade anyways. Cool knife, but they charge ridiculous prices and I’m not fond of their stance on fire arms. But anyways, I basically feel the same as you William with these knives. Thanks for sharing

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

@JoelPerri7777 That's scary. If the store doesn't check returns enough to get fooled by a fake like that, it could wind up getting resold as an open box return.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

My GEC days are also over. I'm not buying them on the secondary. The only people making money on GECs are the people who flip them immediately. they are not a long term investment. They have become the "Beanie Babies" of the traditional knife world.

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

Yep 👍

[@Orlosthedruid]

I bought and LOVE my Ganzo 759-M knives. DIRECT copy of a Spyderco Byrd, BUT !!! The Ganzo has BETTER steel and a better price. 440C vs 8cr13mov. The 440C is a GREAT knife steel. I think Ive bought either 3 or 4 of them, I buy them and throw them in packs, kits, tackle bags, whatever. at 17$, I am not heartbroken if it breaks, gets lost or stolen, its a tool and it gets used. The 440C also sharpens up to a hair popping edge.

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

@Orlosthedruid I love 440C and the 759-M. I have one somewhere, but I remember putting it in a bag. They are inexpensive enough to buy many like you did and put them wherever you might need a knife.

[@JoseGonzalez-yx6vm]

Counterfeit knives, not cool, knives like Ganzos are great because you by something done in a similar style, for less price. Great video, William.

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

@@JoseGonzalez-yx6vm Thank you

[@wayneanderson991]

Benchmade, Spyderco and GEC have created their own problems because of the business practice they have developed and follow. They have priced their customers out of their business model with the price or supply of the knives they produce. Customers simply get tire of the way they do business and look else where for a product that fits the customers needs.

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

True 👍

[@morte2195]

I have many such knives. Here are my general findings. You are never going to get that sweet fit and finish of a high end knife, just its shape. You will never get that Spyderco or Benchmade quality feel. And don't imagine you are really getting the super steel that's advertised. On the other hand, I have rarely gotten a Chinese import knife that didn't blow me away with the value provided for the money. For the most part, it would take a knife guy, or a keen eye, to notice a fake.They also, generally, make a perfectly decent, properly heat treated carbon or stainless steel. If you can sharpen, no problem. If your ethics allow it, I would especially recommend: the "Cold Steel" 4 Max Scout, a fake Voyager or SR1, The RAT 2 clones are also nice knifes. For fixed blades, where less can go wrong, try a fake Becker BK2 or Bk19, or the "Benchmade" Bushcrafter, or trick out an Esee Ant clone you can get for just $20.

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

That's an idea. I am curious about a few of those knives

[@dm1523]

The whold has changed a lot in the last decade. This is happening a lot on a broad range of items, not just knives. A counterfeit is wrong - putting a brand name on an item not made by that company. But a lot of these "Copy cats" are actually made in the same factory the name brand one is. From fountain pens to watches, these manufacturers are seeing a market for their well built protects that name brand companies have shipped off to be made in China. As long as they aren't slapping Rolex, Montblanc, or Benchmade I'm more than ok with people buying them.

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

I'll go for a copycat if I'm not sure if I would like the knife. I bought one counterfeit knife, a Benchmade Bugout, and I didn't like the design.

[@gizmocarr3093]

Counterfeits, clones, reproductions and copies I see most often are modern knife designs. American manufacturers copy knives from older patterns and put their brand name on them. You could say that makes them clones, it certainly makes them reproductions. If you buy a Queen knife, you might think it is an American made knife and find it is Chinese. SMKW bought the Queen Brand name and the selling contract required the knives made in the US. SMKW made a small run of American made knives and then moved production to China. That makes them clones, copies and counterfeits. The Chinese culture does not consider or acknowledge the words Clone or Couterfeits. If you do not know the difference from a duck and a chicken the Chinese will sell you a duck and it is really a chicken. When American brands outsource production to China, they clone everything they make and sell it for less to whoever will buy it. If Spyderco, KA-Bar, Buck, Gerber and Benchmade outsource the Knife Box, or a Sheath, to China that opens the door for counterfeits. If people cannot or will not pay for a real one, they buy counterfeits with no remorse. That is the way that game is played by everyone, like it or not. 🐯😆😅🤣😂

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

Well said, Gizmo

[@mewithknives3481]

I am ok with clones or inspired designs. What I find entertaining is the hypocrisy about them. Do a video about the Firetiger FT2103 and you're under attack about it being a bugout knockoff meanwhile the hottest knife on the internet right now is the 10 dollar Walmart knife which is a knockoff of the bugout. I'm a fan of the bugout and unless I'm missing something benchmade does not have a patent on a 3.25in drop point blade with a slight swedge. What they do own is the name bugout and the highest form of admiration is imitation. Look at how many "bugout killers" have popped up since the bugout's introduction. The deka, Para3, The Bel Air, Gerber Savvy, and countless Chinese versions. And sometimes the knockoff is an improvement like the Ganzo 727m. Perhaps if OKC would have hed off their sale and rolled out there model with a crossbar lock they could be killing it too much like everyone else that rolled out a crossbar lock. Now if only Buck would step into this century.

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

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