1966 Ford Fairlane GTA vs 1974 Firebird 455 - PURE STOCK DRAG RACE

[@CarsAndZebras]

I like both cars. They participate with the F.A.S.T drag races, so find them on Facebook. Also, make sure you join the “Stock Appearing Drag Racers” group on Facebook to support the owners of these cars! If they don’t race, I don’t get to make videos, and then you don’t get to watch it while sitting on the couch drinking scotch and eating Oreos.

[@CarsAndZebras]

@@413x398 - when I wrote, “scotch and Oreos” it was actually a metaphor for tequila and spicy nachos

[@futon02]

I tried dunking my Oreo in Scotch. Do not recommend.

[@fanoboss]

I thought the GTA would win

[@jameshorton7496]

I worked at Ford's Livonia Transmission Plant and helped build those C6 transmissions.

[@CarsAndZebras]

With the weight of that transmission I sure hope you didn’t get too many hernias 😆

[@patrickmcwilliams9030]

My aunt and uncle lived in Livonia right on Schoolcraft Road right by gapp & Roush before I became Roush Industries and we race Fords a my aunt worked at the plant weather were built to they were some strong transmission we went super stock so we ran the indestructible Toploader 4 speed what's 427 side Oiler with medium Riser heads awesome engines and trans

[@patrickmcwilliams9030]

I meant to put my reply to James Horton my aunt's name was Jo link and she worked at the transmission plant she was billing we raced fords circle track in the super stock division and used 427 side oiler and toploader trans that was industuctable lol

[@christianmotley262]

Im sorry, no that's the C4 transmission and the local Ford dealership that royally screwed me with a so called rebuild, yearite!

[@curtisferguson9190]

You guys sure did a good job the C6 is possibly one of the best transmission's ford ever produced . BULLET PROOF .

[@paul.theeightiesluvr.1980s]

Cars and zebras some people put up car videos that show facts about the cars. And some people post videos about all the fun ...you can have with cars. And then again Some people post videos where cars are actually racing you do all the above and you do it with style Pizzazz and also a hell of a lot of great puns and comedy included I love your channel I think you should be one of the biggest KZbin stars out there. So please keep them coming we all love them. And appreciate all the hard work and detail you put into these videos. Besides that nothings better than badass muscle cars and comedy that most of us older peeps from the 60s seventies and eighties can appreciate!!!!!!

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for watching! I appreciate it! 👍

[@scottdbsn]

That Fairlane is absolutely gorgeous

[@jaylamb9546]

I’m a Firebird owner, but I love the FE Ford motors. 390 was like the 383 Mopar, very under appreciated, but it got the job done .

[@MClark-bv9tn]

ABSOLUTELY AGREE

[@CarsAndZebras]

A little fine-tuning and the 390 was a great engine. They can take a lot of abuse

[@MrTheHillfolk]

@@CarsAndZebras thirsty too. My buddy had one in a 65 pickup he got back in about 1989. Being a new toy we hadda cruise around a little right ? Blew 175$ in gas in 4 days and didn't leave the county 🤣

[@danmyers9372]

It wasn’t too swift on HP due to a tiny cam and poor heads but it made good torque. The 390 (like the 351 W) started out life as truck engines where torque and durability were more important than HP.

[@falconater68]

@@danmyers9372 Complete opposite on both accounts. The 332 then the 352 were car (Edsel,galaxie etc}. Trucks were still Yblock then FT. The 352 hipo was built for a car. Followed by the 390, 406 427 and 428...The windsor started off in mustangs and cougars. They both ended up being the go to for trucks in the end.

[@TheGunfighter45acp]

That Fairlane does look pretty sweet!

[@CarsAndZebras]

Even better in person! 😎

[@carpartsink4577]

That Fairlane is SWEET!!!

[@CarsAndZebras]

👍😎

[@gary9426]

Another cool race...this was close! Would love to see a 427 Fairlane vs. a SD 455 T/A.

[@MClark-bv9tn]

OH, OH ME TOO ME TOO!

[@patrickmcwilliams9030]

The 427 side Oiler NASCAR motor would have destroyed black Trans Am SD Super Duty and the tunnel port 427 side Oiler Ford that was like 600 10 horsepower stock out of the factory

[@davidjuarez1834]

Its would be more fair if it was a 1970 SD 455 TA.

[@superduty4556]

@@davidjuarez1834 No, the SD was 73-74. Maybe you're talking about a RAIV? Firebird didn't get a 455 until 71.

[@davidjuarez1834]

@@superduty4556 then they should have done 1966 Catalina with a 421 SD vs 1966 427 Fairlane

[@disgustedvet9528]

I had a 64 GTO as first car bought in 1966 , tri-power etc. The next year i went to visit kin in Indiana and my youngest Uncle who was a car nut with a growing family had a 66 Fairlane with that 390 and a 4 barrel and he jumped me from behind on a straight stretch of road and i couldn't catch him. He just grinned .

[@hotrodray6802]

Et twernt stock neither.

[@ztwntyn8]

Probably could have used about 4-8* of timing

[@robertsnyder5149]

I bought it's cousin ther Comet GT 390 with a "4-speed". Loved that car. I later bought 3 more.

[@clevlandblock]

The June 67 issue of "Road Test" magazine has a 67 GTA hardtop running 15.95 @ 91.46. So much for "stock". This was part of a comparison test of 9 different domestic muscle cars. The Bird's ET is about what you'd expect given its mods.

[@deancarr4507]

Cannot wait to see a 1971 Firebird Formula 400 on this channel...I've been restoring one over the course of my enlistment. Got it running rough in primer with a tired 400 and a TH400. Since then rebuilt with a hotter cam, ported heads, bored .030 over, 850 double pumper and ripped the auto out for a M22, yeah it's got a rock crusher! With the earlier 32/28 input/output splines that were tough than the later ones. Of course, has a sweet huge dash tach now too! Still has the factory 10 bolt rear end but the 12 bolt is coming soon, gonna upgrade to a 3.55 final drive too. That and all the small badging is all I have left to do. Got the PHS paperwork on it and it was ordered in Carousel Red back in the day so I stuck with that. Unfortunately, the car was missing it's AWESOME Formula hood when I got it and had a '76 hood instead. When the engine got back in the car, it wouldn't fit so I got a fiberglass L88 style hood for it since I needed the cowl space and I thought the gentle rounded edges would go better with the second gen styling. Personally I think it looks sweet. Hope to be getting some good track time with it soon!

[@deancarr4507]

I'm sure I'm off with the Muncie specs...been a few years since I was reading everything I could about them...I know I went with the strongest I could get, which I know could never hold up the same way a beefed up TH400 could...but I just love rowing the boat myself haha

[@deancarr4507]

@BLACK GSD54 If you want to wire me some money for a 455 that'd be great lol

[@ztwntyn8]

That’s awesome. I grew up riding to school in a black on black 71 formula 400. I have a gold 71 formula 400 now. I have a video of the dragstrip and I went best of 13.0@104

[@ztwntyn8]

Should post videos of the formula. It must be done by now. Hope you still have it

[@deancarr4507]

@@ztwntyn8 I do! Haven't gotten much done since I commented this. Hever this winter I'll be doing a new wiring harness, fuel tank/lines/pump, Brawler carb, and redoing the exhaust. Hopefully she'll be ready to make some passes come spring time, in which case I will definitely have some video

[@thomasvess6253]

My official first car was a 67 Fairlane 500 and later had a 75 Formula Firebird and love them both. Ford's and Ponchos make me happy...

[@rogerodle8750]

That Fairline is beautiful. Those stacked headlights -- yum.

[@1223baddad]

That Fairlane is one the best looking cars of that era.

[@bw3506]

Thanks for the vid. Nice to see that Ford running. My 67 GTA ran upper 13s with headers glasspacks and a 750 Holley and oh yes also that awesome hot Mallory performance coil. This was 1979- 80 I later did internal engine mods and it got it going faster but never got it back down to the track.

[@CarsAndZebras]

I wish there were more Fords in Pure Stock, but there really aren’t that many.

[@buzzwaldron6195]

Here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@bw3506]

@@buzzwaldron6195 Pretty "Groovey" commercial there. That Ford sure didn't seem to run very good. They were rated 335 hp 427tq which is less than the Chevy. I think the Chevy is a bit lighter as well which I never understood as the Ford was unibody construction. Anyhow all that aside, man this made the Fairlane look bad. Mine sure ran better than that. lol

[@buzzwaldron6195]

@@bw3506 - As a GTO guy, I liked the torquey GTO looking like it would be the stop light to stop light winner... which is a reason why it sold so well... took the overcammed too big ports Chevelle almost the full 1/4 mile to catch up and get a fender ahead... I think the Fairlane was lighter, even the 289 could move them easily... The Ford 390 was prolly a tad over rated by then at 335 HP... just matching the competitions' base ratings... at least it was a 4 speed... Both the hotter versions of GTO (biggest,heaviest) and Chevelle a tad under rated at 360 HP... GTO cammed a bit more for torque...

[@bw3506]

@@buzzwaldron6195 You are right about the torque on the Pontiacs I had a 73 Bonneville with the 400 stock from a dead stop no braking it would incenerate tires till it shifted to second and it was just a low compression 2bbl. My Fairlane always felt light to me.

[@carlossanchez8862]

Love the videos. Editing is fantastic. That Ford is sweet.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for watching! 👍

[@dragonlips2005]

This brings back memories! I was the second owner of a 74 Firebird Formula 455- all original. Loaded with options too. Loved that car. Put a set a 13 heads on it, and swiched the gearing to 3.42- just like this car. Almost exactly matched that time as well.

[@markmclendon8621]

i'm #3 !!!! i'm usually a pontiac guy, but that GTA was a beautiful car.....and fast

[@CarsAndZebras]

I would definitely be happy with either car!

[@lobotomyboy666]

Both cars were impressive.

[@merc-ni7hy]

those 66/67 fairlanes are beautiful cars ...gibbs me dat fairlane

[@CarsAndZebras]

🤤

[@paulrogers6037]

I had a 1974 Formula 455 (non-SD) for years. Sold it 30 years ago. Absolutely wonderful car. Still have dreams about it.

[@stephenvolkhardt8036]

I had a '75 Formula that I had to sell to go back to school 25 years ago. Loved that car. I've had numerous dreams of me finding it once again, fixing it up and driving it around....then I woke up, lol

[@erickort1987]

the R code 428..for the ford galaxie was a beast

[@adamtrombino106]

The C6 was 1 of Ford's best ever transmissions. Later in life they got mods that helped free up some lost power. However, in that era, the 390s with 4 speeds were much faster bone stock. Better ign and cam timing, different carb jetting made a somewhat docile 390 pretty good, and the close ratio gearing helped keep the revs up. A co-worker had a 74 455SD TA with the 4 speed and dealer installed 3.42s. 2nd gear starts in city driving were almost a must. Low end grunt was silly. He could barely drive the thing in the rain, it was so tailhappy.

[@TBullCajunbreadmaker]

Just goes to show that reaction time off the lights at the beginning is the most important thing of all. If the GTA would have had a 10/1000 quicker reaction it would have either had a draw or won the race by 10/thousandths of a second.

[@Make_my_day-1]

My next restoration will be a Ford, because a Chevy is on every corner. I've really started to appreciate them more.

[@jimmeyer7632]

TWO RARE AND OUTRAGEOUS FORDS 1. 1970 TORINO 429 SUPER COBRA JET 2 1969 COUGAR 428 COBRA JET

[@77yogurt]

I was a die-hard Chevy fanboy in my youth. I have since stopped depriving myself of other manufacturers. I like cars of all makes and models.

[@sking2173]

The 70’s Firebirds were among my favorite cars ever, based on looks alone! I didn’t care that they were “smog cars”, because aside from looking good, they drove well, too, AND bolting on horsepower back then was easy. This little red Firebird looks sweet !!!

[@jayschmahl9206]

Both car's are nice, but that '66 Fairlane in that color just knock's me out, and even though I am a Mopar guy, I have a soft spot for Ford's.

[@CarsAndZebras]

I’d like to find a 1966 or 1967 Fairlane. Not too many on the road anymore!

[@slyane7320]

@@majestical5331 Yes sir...the 426 vs the 427...some Great matches there.

[@amer-hh6kp]

That Fairlane is sweet as hell!

[@donaldhollums3278]

And as Dr. Jones Sr. (Sean Connery) said in the “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade” film, “Well, they don’t come any closer than that”.

[@CarsAndZebras]

👍

[@buzzwaldron6195]

How about Dr. Yes: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@knavekid]

That Fairlane GTA was faster than stock. My stock '66 GTA with a fresh 0.060" over engine rebuild in '76 could only get low 15s when I ran it on the same dragstrip, US-131 Martin Dragway, as it was known at that time. This car is still in my garage, but hasn't been driven for many years.

[@JoeValles]

Firebird was way fast also.....definitely not 8 to 1....

[@RebelFlag61]

As a die hard GM guy, that’s a respectable showing from both cars.

[@sometimesieatcake4156]

Dude that drummer in that BTO clip was wearing killer glasses/sweater.

[@genefortney9133]

Great race! It’s also great to see the 390 as it was quite a common engine selection in the factory hot rod fords up here. Thanks Cars and Zebras!

[@rickuyeda4818]

My cousin's first car was a '66 Fairlane GT, 390 and 4 speed. A year later, he installed a 427 Medium Riser with 4:57 gears. When he became a line mechanic for a Ford Dealership, he pulled the 427 and sold it. He rebuilt the 390 and installed it and gave the car to his brother. His brother didn't want it so it just sat in the garage.

[@tomelmore8431]

I used to say that the second-gen Camaros and Firebirds were the most beautiful American cars ever -- but that FAIRLANE! My! My!

[@johntilson2535]

1966 Fairlane. The car I've always wanted and wish I could have Chip Foose work his magic on!

[@DeGroatcollision]

Not surprised at all , we drag races one my whole life and I still have it , chev Elle, and gtx killer

[@davidpedwardsiii5581]

Wow Fairlane!!

[@gt-37guy6]

Great race! Thanks Cars and Zebras -I needed this today! The 390 Fords never got the credit they deserved....mostly due to the factory gearing that Ford chose to use as the standard gear ratios. Had they been a tad more aggressive, The GTA could have been a real contender instead of an "also ran". Still - is a very cool car !

[@jimmeyer7632]

THAT FORD 390 PUT OUT 427 FT LBS AT 3200 MORE THAN AN L78 396 SOLID LIFTER CHEVY ........... DAMN !!!! THAT'S IMPRESSIVE

[@neighborscomplaint6859]

Yeah but they ran out of head flow around 4,400 RPM. They could hold their own stoplight to stoplight but couldn't keep up with even an L35 (396/325hp/iron heads/intake Qjet) after a block. I owned 2 of them and street raced a bit in the late 60's.

[@jimmeyer7632]

@@neighborscomplaint6859 HAD A 69 L78 CHEVELLE IN 1971 GOT ANOTHER ONE NOW ..... NEVER REALLY RACED IT EXCEPT TO RUN AWAY FROM A COP WITH A TICKET BOOK TRYING TO APPRECIATE OTHER CARS THAN JUST CHEVYS ....... MUST SAY I HEARD A VIDEO OF A 69 428 COBRA JET MUSTANG AND WANTED TO BEAT THE FORD EXECS WITH A CAM SHAFT WHEN I FOUND OUT THEY GOT REAL CHEAP AND PUT CAST CRANK AND PISTONS IN IT ...... I'M BETTING THE 429 BOSS DIDN'T HAVE CAST ROTATING ASSEMBLY ...... THINK THEY CHEAPPED OUT ON THE 440 MOPAR AND GAVE IT A CAST CRANK ........ THE ONE I'VE GOT NOW IS GUNNA GET A DART BIG M BLOCK PUNCHED OUT TO 540 4340 FORGED EVERYTHING ....... LOOKING TO GET .... 650hp AND 650 ft lbs WITH NO LESS THAN 9.2 TO 1 COMPRESSION

[@buzzwaldron6195]

Still slow: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@jimmeyer7632]

@@buzzwaldron6195 SAW YOUR VIDEO WITH DR. YES AND JAMES BLAND ......... ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT ALWAYS THOUGHT THE CHEVY WAS A LITTLE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE OTHER 3 GMS ..... THE INTERIOR WAS NICE .... WONDER HOW THE L78 396-375 WOULD HAVE DONE KINDA LIKED THE 67 A LITTLE BETTER ..... BUT THERE'S NOTHING BETTER THAN A 69 SS THANKS AGAIN FOR THE VIDEO !!!!!!!!!

[@buzzwaldron6195]

@@jimmeyer7632 - L78 prolly didn't fit into the pricing range... Torque-tuned GTO showed it was the stop-light-to-stop-light winner, part of reason it far outsold all others... Big cammed Chevelle needed full 1/4 mile to win... L78 would prolly need a big rear gear to win, but then run out of revs in the 1/2 mile... All other interiors looked totally 'bland' compared to GTO's at 6:15... James Bland even got better looking after stepping into "The Taillight Zone"... That Go-Go Girl looked like a twin to my old girlfriend... I may have to get her back... LOL! Wish they would have run that 442 as well... never seen/heard the rare stock tripower 442 run in person... except for one in Flint Michigan back in the day but from the clicking sound I could tell it had a non stock solid lifter cam and when he took off he slowly kept giving it more and more gas until it eventually revved to the moon and really let out a howl!

[@robertsnyder5149]

I had 4 1966 Comets, two were 390 GT's with 4-speeds. They were fast.

[@buzzwaldron6195]

Naw: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@63MacGuy]

I’m a Pontiac guy but I thought the Fairlane would beat the Firebird by a lot

[@buzzwaldron6195]

Fairlanes slugs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@tct9mm151]

I like both! GREAT VIDEO.

[@derrinpickett9948]

One of the thumbs down was from Sheriff Buford T. Justice

[@CarsAndZebras]

HA!

[@slowpokebr549]

Great race.

[@timmotel5804]

7/2023: Very cool. I always loved the Fairlane and the 390 was excellent.

[@backtosleep]

These are cars are a thing of beauty.

[@RoadRunnergarage8570]

😎 vintage Pontiac ad too!!

[@buzzwaldron6195]

Ad: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@robertc4311]

Great info and video! If only I knew then, what I learned later....the hard way....I had my azz handed to me back in 1980 by a neighbor (Al Hopson) who had a 1974 Formula 455 one just like that one! Awesome car! LOL

[@klompsauce]

Love a Fairlane

[@zooba1974]

this guy is hysterically funny! awesome video!!

[@dukedavis8950]

Wow the Fairlane is beautiful fast 13s is awesome. I'm not much a ford guy but I've always been a fan of that year Fairlane. Great video thank you 😊

[@mitchf1508]

Dad's first brand new car was a 1966 Fairlane, but just the basic model.. It was a 2 dr and had a 289 2bbl with a 3 on the tree trans.. I was 3 years at the time (he was 23). We had it until around 1972 I think.. He traded it for a 1965 Impala straight across (family deal). It was a 4dr and had a 283 2bbl 3 speed auto (it might have been a 265??) Fun times back then for sure.. Wish he had kept the Fairlane though....

[@buzzwaldron6195]

'65 Impala had 2 speed PowerGlide...

[@mitchf1508]

@@buzzwaldron6195 they had an optional 3 speed auto too. Something like a turbo hydo-matic or something like that.. at least that's what it had back then..

[@buzzwaldron6195]

@@mitchf1508 - Don't think they got that until '67... there was a troublesome 3 speed auto option late 1950's...

[@lelomiliken7598]

😆😆😆😆!!!! Seabiscuit can eat it!!! 😅😅. You're totally awesome!!💯

[@briansd2772]

Impressive passes on a humid 92 degree day! With that MPH the Firebird would be sub 13 seconds on an October day and the Ford likely as well.

[@CarsAndZebras]

I believe that day he was able to hit a low 13. With slicks it’s actually pretty deep into the 12s.... Hard to use all of that Pontiac torque to its fullest without a set of slicks.

[@briansd2772]

Would you by chance remember the exact date these cars ran? I'd like to look up the Density Altitude at this track for that date. Thank you.

[@hotrodray6802]

It would be quicker in January at zero* ona dry track.

[@williamclark5385]

I think both of these cars are equally cool, just in different ways.

[@joshuacohn2004]

Best videos ever!!!

[@CarsAndZebras]

👍

[@TheDatadrew]

That Fairlane was beautiful. I'm always on team Pontiac, but a "Fast" 1974 Bird barely outran a pure stock 66. Cars and Zebras should rename the channel to: "Watch Pontiac disappoint". I do love the fact the Firebird looks like it stops at 7-11 for a slurpee daily. Awesome vid, and love this channel.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Stops for a slurpee daily 😆

[@lb9gta307]

Mid to late 60s was the height of the muscle car era. Mid to late 70s was the rock bottom.

[@therewhatgoes8038]

Great race. Doesn’t get closer than that

[@lb9gta307]

That's a very mild F.A.S.T. car compaired to what others in that class do. Killer match up for a chance pairing.

[@Mnxshde]

What is the color called on the fairlane????

[@GorillaCookies]

So with a FAST car one could turn the 390 into a 428 because they look the same but sure run different

[@futon02]

I was going to say tie. Pretty close

[@CarsAndZebras]

Almost had it! 😏

[@louiskats5116]

Godday C & Z, Very impressive considering the weather. Talking about Fairlane's I happen to see one 2 weeks ago in my neighborhood. Gorgeous body, perfect hardtpp look with the flat boot to semi or full fastback look. It was a Fairlane 500 with a 289, but it just stood out in traffic amongst today mundane looking cars. It would be intresting to compare a Fairlane GTA vs Plymouth Roadrunner 383 Auto. It would be intresting for sure considering HP is similar but the Roadrunner looks bigger & heavier. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤

[@CarsAndZebras]

I’m sure you don’t see many Fairlanes around there! I’ve always wanted to buy one, but can’t find a nice example. I almost favor the unique looks of the Mercury Comet Cyclone GT, though.

[@louiskats5116]

@@CarsAndZebras Yeah I know what you mean, Ford seemed to get the hardtop look spot on with everything they touched. It seemed Mopar was a couple of years behind & improved on what Ford bought out. Look at the 68 & 69 Torino's what a gorgeous body, mind you I prefer the Mercury 68 & 69 Cyclones a hell of a nicer grill etc. Are you watch Indy Mecum Auction. Prices are really strong atm a real bounce back. Everything is up 15 to 25 %, check out the 1968 Mercury Cyclone GT one owner on Wednesday auction with all documentations & a 429 CJ in it. At work driving a semi look forward to seeing the sell price on it reckon in the $ 60,000 range.

[@CarsAndZebras]

@@louiskats5116 I haven’t been watching it, yet. I found a ‘66 Mercury Cyclone GT for sale 2 years ago for $19,000 USD. Wish I would have pulled the trigger on that one!

[@louiskats5116]

@@CarsAndZebras The one that got away. Have a look at Mecum Indy. Lot W186, it went alot cheaper than I thought. I was expecting mid to high 40's but no where near it. Great bargain in my opinion.

[@RoadRunnergarage8570]

😎 vintage Ford ad!!

[@chidrole]

Love your vids!👍🇨🇦

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for watching! 👍

[@StuffIDo4Fun]

We use to have a 67 Fairlane in 76'

[@paulchandler9060]

I miss my 68 LTD 390 with hide away headlights I kicked a 74 Camaro and a firebird with it

[@DoesItTho]

Sweet vid, the dude’s sound edits and vid clips mingled with hot car facts are funkin great! Oh and Im definitely gonna start spending my Saturday nights sliding down slip n slides with humongous chicks, thanks for the info and great ideas!

[@v.e.7236]

Roller cam combined w/ that 3" X-pipe exhaust comes through for the win! "Factory Appearing" is funny. I had a '67 Fastback Mustang that I completely re-worked the 351C engine in and it would turn an easy 8K RPM. I did everything I could to the internals, block and heads, including: polished rod beams and crank throws, chamfered block and oil returns, etc., hand ported heads and intake manifold (Edelbrock), w/ everthing balanced to w/in .01g. It had a two inch exhaust w/ 1 7/8" headers, coupled to the 9-inch 3"90 diff and that car was a beast on track! But it looked completely stock. lol

[@timmebruer5205]

How could a 351 Cleveland look stock in a 67 mustang?

[@v.e.7236]

@@timmebruer5205 Hence my "lol" at the end, 'cause the video kept referencing "stock appearance."

[@timmebruer5205]

@@v.e.7236 a 351 Cleveland couldn't look stock in that year mustang. Wasn't available Thus it wasn't stock appearing

[@v.e.7236]

@@timmebruer5205 I got it.

[@therealhonestabe7839]

I just gave this video the 500th thumbs up

[@garysmith8455]

May I add? I was very much a young gear head when the TA was brand new in '73 and '74. You know what? If memory serves me, those were the TOP smog years for big V8 engines, and I have to hand to Pontiac, that 455 SD was the most powerful motor PERIOD! I believe 310 HP. in '73 and then down to 290 in '74. UNHEARD of HP numbers then! I also remember the deal with closing off the cowl hood intake as well in '74....... Reason? The intake of the Quadrajet EXCEEDED drive by decibel levels at WOT !! Can you believe it ??? What a disappointment ! )O: How things have changed.

[@chutoparadinni5474]

Both 290hp in final production, Shakers were blocked off after 72.

[@garysmith8455]

@@chutoparadinni5474 Can you point me to the source of your info, the brochures on the showroom floor (which would of course, reflect the actual released specs?) I worked at an Olds dealer next to an Exxon station. The gal who minded the gas station bought a brand new '73 455 TA. I thought it's 'shaker' hood was OPEN to the intake and HP rated at 310. This info was readily available in the car mags at the time. Do tell.

[@justme307]

@@garysmith8455 I believe the 310 rating was on a pre-production motor. 290 HP is the generally accepted rating. "The initial horsepower rating was 310 at 4,000 rpm, but this engine felt just as good at 6,000 rpm, Adams told Lamm. Adams' crew designed the Super Duty so it could be converted for all-out racing, including a dry-sump provision. It had four-bolt mains, reinforced bulkheads, and increased webbing in the lifter valley area to increase overall strength. Pistons were forged TRW aluminum pieces at 8.4:1 compression ratio to accept the new low-lead fuel and the inevitable unleaded, which debuted in late summer 1974. The connecting rods were choice pieces too, 5140 forged steel, and weighed 30.7 ounces--an ounce less than regular 455 rods. The crankshaft was cast and nitrided, with greater oil clearances, a baffled pan and the aforementioned provisions built into the rear of the block to allow a conversion to dry sump for racing. However, the 310hp rating was reduced to 290hp officially and that's where it stayed through the engine's demise in 1974."

[@garysmith8455]

@@justme307 Wow, ok thanks for all the infor! I noted that my comment was from 2 years ago 😊. DID you note that bit about the cowl intake being closed off? I remember how disappointed a co-worker was when he was about to order the '74.

[@justme307]

@@garysmith8455 I was just in a KZbin spiral yesterday when I came up this video. I always thought the Formula could be had with ram air and the TA could not. Found this info today: "Whether the Formula Hood Scoops could be made functional from the factory is a controversial topic. Both The Fabulaous Firebird by Michale Lamm and Firebird, America's Premiere Performance Car by Gary Witzenberg say that all hood scoops were closed beginning in 1973 but option 634/WU3 listed Ram Air Hood as available for 400 and 400 equipped Formula's. It is not unusual for Pontiac to cancel options if regulation were involved as it was for the Trans Am (Trans Am could not meet Federal noise emissions standard with a functional scoop) but in this case it was probably not. Pontiac parts manauls show Hood part number 490661 as RAM AIR EXC SHAKER HOOD - W/FUNCTIONAL SCOOPS as available up to 1975.The same parts manual shows RAM AIR Decal part numbers(black or White) available until 1974.It is tehrefore determined that the 634/WU3 option was valaid for 1973. Note that since the Formula with the SD-455 engine shared Trans Am's shaker hood scoop the SD-455 could not be ordered with a functional scoop. The Trans Am with a standard 455 engine would have a closed shaker as well so it is possible that a Formula ordered with the optional 455 engine and functional scoops may have had more horsepower than a TA."

[@raybsure7438]

I’m actually looking to purchase a decent 1970-73 Firebird Formula with either the 400 or 455. I’ve had 3 different FB’s and love em. If you have any information I’m all ears. Thank You!!

[@goneshootin61]

You got it pontiac !

[@04tsxpower]

Holy hell is there a race in here

[@baldscarlettjohansson6433]

Holy hell are you too dense to understand the fast forward function on KZbin?

[@04tsxpower]

@@baldscarlettjohansson6433 that the best you got simp. Made your channel just to respond how cute

[@baldscarlettjohansson6433]

@@04tsxpower that’s better than your response… Which was essentially nothing. You figure out the fast-forward function yet? It’s really difficult so you might have to Google that one, genius. And very interesting… You call me cute. Who’s the simp now?

[@04tsxpower]

@@baldscarlettjohansson6433 I'm sure glad that bothers and your too simple to pick up on sarcasm

[@baldscarlettjohansson6433]

@@04tsxpower i’m sure glad that you are a moron and don’t know how to make a readable sentence.

[@DavidValdezBigWaveDave]

That trans am is still king of the trailer park

[@jerrycraig6522]

I've had fairlanes from 63-68 all nice cars!!!

[@herman452]

Don't see Fords in pure stock racing today? Ford had a strong presence in professional racing, but were rarely seen at the local drags back in the sixties and seventies. At least not where I lived, they didn't, and I lived several different places in Georgia and Florida in that period. Mostly saw Chevelle SS 396's, Camaros, GTO's and Mopars. On the street, and at the local drags, Fords were mostly duds. That was true all the way up until the 5-liter Mustang era.

[@buzzwaldron6195]

Yessir: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@carlbuschman]

I had a 67 Gt I sure miss it.

[@etheus7997]

Very surprised the firebird took it, I suppose the fairlane is a pretty damn large car though

[@buzzwaldron6195]

Fairlane is light unibody car: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@javiergonzalez9077]

@0:46 That sob music is Juan Gabriel "Mis ojos Tristes".

[@raybsure7438]

We should see the Fairlane and Firebird Drag Racing thru a Corn Field.

[@gt-37guy6]

Ray, at around age 18 my buddy once took his 74 Lemans GT 400 through a corn field in March hoping to find a quicker way onto the freeway.....ah ......after a night of MANY cocktails. Waking up the farmer at 1 Am with the pitiful and confusing request to "help yank his car out of his cornfield" was truly entertaining...the look on that man's face...Sadly the poor Lemans was doomed with Dave's "driving style" and she was planted into a guard rail the next winter I do recall...very rare car today have not seen another like it since.

[@raybsure7438]

I used to take my dads 69 Caprice car out to see what she would do. Well the front end lifted so high I couldn’t see losing control and going right into the Alfalpha Fields making my own commercial. Good Times!!!

[@gt-37guy6]

@@raybsure7438 good times indeed...I'm 56 and still occasionally "raise hell" with a 455 Buick..

[@buzzwaldron6195]

1/2 mile?: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@glencarpenter3124]

Fairlane coup is my favorite car,I had a white 67coup

[@Mutt69m]

I hope you come across a 1974 Z28 Camaro , curious to see how they perform in FAST...

[@buzzwaldron6195]

$250 in cam/pistons double the power of the '74 SBC 350...

[@sometimesieatcake4156]

That Fairlane is hot

[@buzzwaldron6195]

Not stock: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@robertrobinson1111]

I love both cars but I would rather have the fire bid love the look of that particular body style.

[@apollomorris9920]

The 455 has more work done to it then what it says.

[@josephg41]

Prior to watching: I'm thinking it'll be the fairlane on top, but the '74 455 Firebird is really the last truly fast muscle car for a long long time.

[@johnwilkerson2195]

I'm more of a Mopar man but I love old Fords and GM

[@barcrrt850]

Torque wins

[@hotwheel6663]

Isn't this a Formula?

[@paulallison6689]

Yup! (& he states that in the video)

[@bruceallen6016]

Pontiac smogger, Hehe. I'm still upset with GM for dumping Olds and Pontiac. 😣Thumb up for the video.

[@geranwilson8813]

The Pontiac will catch the Ford on the other end always does💪

[@neighborscomplaint6859]

That was really surprising having owned 2 Fairlane GT390's in my teens. I got beat by every 396 Chevelle I raced including the lowly 325HP version. I even had trouble with small block Chevys. The car also had the worst wheel hop on launch of any vehicle I ever owned. I added a leaf to both sides and clamped the leafs ahead of the rear axle to stop the U-joint carnage. That SD was either seriously over-cammed, just off-tune that day, or maybe the driver was just playing nice with the Fairlane.

[@buzzwaldron6195]

Correct: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@baldscarlettjohansson6433]

@@buzzwaldron6195 Your stupid video has nothing to do with the original comment.

[@buzzwaldron6195]

@@baldscarlettjohansson6433 - Yes it does... shows the Fairlanes not even close to competitive...

[@baldscarlettjohansson6433]

@@buzzwaldron6195 So you take a Chevrolet propaganda video as complete truth? It’s official, you are the stupidest fucking moron I’ve ever seen on KZbin.

[@johnhalchishick7094]

Ford had him out of the hole

[@buzzwaldron6195]

Not when new: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@mustardproductions3531]

The bird.. no question. I hope LoL

[@mattmcdaniel6219]

Fairlane nice ride no doubt, Firebird just a sexy beast!

[@sebbonxxsebbon6824]

1974 Firebird cause it is COOL.

[@mohamhead9701]

You could beat Ford FE engines like a rented mule and they kept coming back for more.