2010 Camaro SS gets TSP Headers / Cam & Dyno Tune

[@InFiD3ViL1]

Awesome job man, sounds amazing. Hoping to do mine soon but as she's an L99, heads have to come off as well, so it will be a bit of a bigger job. Good luck with the channel. Hopefully we can get some more content!

[@JeffLyle]

InFiD3ViL thanks man. Glad you liked it. Good luck on the L99!!!

[@plasticbanana1372]

Hey man, did you use the same cam? And what stall did you go with

[@KingT.Challa]

Nice man. I've got the 1 7/8ths plus off-road connectors into an x-pipe and some Dynomax bullet straight throughs. That coupled with a vararam intake and a really awesome tune. I plan to go with a GPI stage 3. Nice back fire! Sounds amazing and even better you did it yourself. Unfortunately I'm not taking on that task, I'll let my tuner do that, so I just lived vicariously through you! Haha.

[@JeffLyle]

Glad you liked it. I've seen a lot of reviews on the GPI stage 3 cam. You're gonna love it... its a great piece. I wouldn't be surprised if you get close to 500whp. Post a sound clip when you are done with it. I'd love to hear it.

[@KingT.Challa]

@@JeffLyle definitely, I'm at just over 400 whp mustang dyno with the bolt ons. Wish cams were cheaper haha. I'll definitely do it.

[@scottmccracken2189]

Amazing what you can find on the internet. Here it is 4 years since you made this video and I'm about to put headers on my car and was researching this exact cam. I got a sct tuner from dyno Steve with lifetime remote tunes. He will do the cam as long as the lift is under .600. Hence why I was looking at this cam. I know you have sold the car and it's been years since this video but if you see this how was the drivability with this combo? gas mileage, etc. I plan on doing the boost version of this cam because I may or may not put an lsa supercharger on in the future.

[@JeffLyle]

Glad you found the video. The drivability was great. I had the manual transmission which helps a tune with drivability since I didnt have to deal with a torque converter. If you have an automatic, it is highly recommended you upgrade the TC with a higher stall as well. Here is a video of my driving review. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hl7cc4Koqdmpl80

[@silentprofessionalfitness1334]

Thanks for this video man. I’m having to replace my stage 3 BTR cam, a five never done it before, so this definitely helps!!!

[@JeffLyle]

Jay Swole Fitness good luck on the cam swap. If you have any questions along the way, don’t hesitate to ask!

[@silentprofessionalfitness1334]

Jeff Lyle thanks brother.

[@rynechristesen2392]

Nice vid! I did undo my steering shaft to remove my old exhaust but the previous owner had shorties in it which bends one cylinder over the shaft.

[@JeffLyle]

Thanks Ryne. It's funny how much tolerance there are in aftermarket parts like headers. There must be some wiggle room in how the pipes fit in the jig before the welder zaps them.

[@CharmleysChopShop]

Why did you leave the single rockers on while you were doing the springs?

[@JeffLyle]

not sure exactly what you mean by "single rockers" but the factory rockers have been known to be perfectly fine for high boost engines producing over 1000HP. Some people choose to upgrade the trunions to a brass bushing style over the needle bearing factory style which is perfectly fine. But in my experience, unless the factory needle bearings have begun to fail (usually due to poor maintenance) then I just leave them alone.

[@CharmleysChopShop]

@@JeffLyle at 26:26 you have a single rocket on while changing our the springs i was just wondering why. Im about to do my btr stage 3 here in a few days.

[@JeffLyle]

@@CharmleysChopShop Ah yes... Now I remember. Great question John. For this cam swap, I am using a comp cams valve spring compressor tool. That tool is rounded on the base and is designed to sit in the rocker pedestal just like a rocker arm. To hold the pedestal in place, I like to keep one or two rocker arms attached to the pedestal while I move the spring compressor around. There are other spring compressor tools that are flat across the base and designed to bolt directly to the head without the pedestal as well.

[@CharmleysChopShop]

@@JeffLyle ahhhhh ok now I understand. Thanks for answering!

[@JeffLyle]

@@CharmleysChopShop glad I could help. Good luck with the cam swap. You're gonna love it!

[@TAKNMusic]

Where did you get the spring compressor?

[@JeffLyle]

Comp Cams 5462. You can find them in lots of places... Amazon, Summit, Jegs, etc.

[@Sergio-ih6lk]

Hi Lyle I'm curious did you Dino the car before installing the package and if you did let me know what both numbers are before and after just saying

[@JeffLyle]

I did not Dyno the car before. However the guys at the dyno that I talked to said that most stock manual 5th gen LS 3 camaros made about 375rwhp on their dyno. That was good enough for me to avoid the extra couple hundred bucks to get a before number.

[@tommy_2ss]

How have the stock lifters been holding up?

[@JeffLyle]

I ended up selling this car a while back so I am not 100% sure. I will tell you that I've done several other LS swaps in old muscle cars and I routinely use the original lifters in certain cases. I always inspect the cam when I pull it out. If there is the slightest sign of abnormal wear or pitting, I will pull the heads and replace the lifters and trays. The last swap I did was with a 200k mile LQ9. I was certain I would need to replace the lifters. But when I pulled the cam and the lifters they both looked great. I ended up swapping the cam to a stage 1 truck cam and I replaced the trays, but it still has the stock lifters and is running great. Moral of the story... if you are doing a cam only and want to leave the heads on, inspect the old cam carefully. If there is wear or pitting on the cam lobes, you may be living on borrowed time with worn out lifters too.

[@tommy_2ss]

@@JeffLyle Thank you. Been planning on doing a cam swap and trying to put a list of parts together. Just about got everything but I’ve had people tell me stock lifters are fine, and others tell me the opposite.

[@JeffLyle]

@@tommy_2ss Good luck with the cam swap Tommy. No one can tell you for sure if the lifters are good or bad, but the best evidence without taking the heads off is how the lobes of the cam look. My guess is that if you don't have any weird ticking or tapping noises currently, you'll probably be fine. Let me know how it goes!

[@tommy_2ss]

@@JeffLyle Thanks will do!

[@rynechristesen2392]

@@tommy_2ss im also in the process of getting my parts together just got to order the cam now.. I have the L99 auto engine which is the model you definitely want to replace lifters in. The weak point is those DOD AFM lifters that fail. If you have the manual trans true LS3 you should be fine.

[@randomguy-yv2ec]

I saw your link on the forum . So 466 wheel what kind of dyno. Dyno jet?

[@JeffLyle]

Yes it was a Dyno Jet! Thanks for checking out my video. Hope you liked it. Are you thinking about doing a cam swap too?

[@randomguy-yv2ec]

@@JeffLyle I currently have similar set up but its getting tune this wedsday on a dyno dynamic I hope it reads 450 wheel too

[@JeffLyle]

@@randomguy-yv2ec Awesome!!! The guys that tuned mine have done a ton of LS3 and L99 5th gens. He said they are all fall within a tight range for a cam and header package. LS3s showed between 460-470whp and L99s were between 440-450whp on his dyno. At the end of the day, if your dyno reads 450 and you have an LS3, just know that other dynos may read 15whp higher, but it will still make about the same as other similar cam swaps

[@JeffLyle]

@@randomguy-yv2ec When I put 3.91 gears in it after that, it felt even more powerful. If I had endless cash, I would've done all of the suspension, driveline, clutch, and drag pack to get the most out of it... but I'm just regular poor guy with a family :)

[@JeffLyle]

@@randomguy-yv2ec I am curious to know what yours does. Let me know when you get it dialed in! Hoping it's even higher!!!

[@fantasma_tx]

To change out the Valve Springs, did you only just set it to TDC or did you fill the cylinder with rope(or any other material) to prevent the Valves from dropping?

[@JeffLyle]

Phantom SS I just set each cylinder to TDC and the valves get held up by the pistons. Compressed air and rope work well also though.

[@CrestedMarine]

What kind of 1/4 mile times are you running with it?

[@JeffLyle]

I never ran the quarter mile in it. Considering I had street tires and stock suspension though, it probably wouldn't be that impressive. I's like to think it would be somewhere in the 11s.

[@walkaway.]

How do u stack up against those scatpack & 5.0 now??!

[@JeffLyle]

I'd say both the scatpack and the 5.0 would edge me out in the quarter with just the headers and cam. Since this video, I put 3.91s in it and I would say it is probably a driver's race now against a stock scatpack or a 5.0 with bolt-ons.

[@InFiD3ViL1]

@@JeffLyle Dude, a cammed 5th gen should be able to take a stock Scat Pack no problem. Those things are freaking boats. A bolt on 5.0 would be close though. those cars just move. I haven't seen you on the camaro5 forums in ages, is every good?

[@JeffLyle]

InFiD3ViL hey brother. All is good here. I’m working on another project currently and making a new build series for KZbin. I have a 72 c10 that I’m swapping a gen IV 5.3 that I modified. It’s gonna be fun!

[@Ws6Ms]

@@JeffLyle dude your crazy... my ls3 with headers and tune pull on stock 5.0s and scat packs pretty easy

[@stevenbrunojr2664]

@@Ws6Ms yeah mine too stock with bolt ons

[@intelligence8883]

How much power did you make?

[@JeffLyle]

466 at the tire!

[@Nowayjose-z2r]

Hate that crap with plug wires too. Not to mention, for some reason old hei wires are still $20-30 for good set and cheap ls wires start at 50 and 30% of the material then hei.... Shenanigans 😝 Dab of assembly lube/grease holds the lock for you.

[@JeffLyle]

no kidding, what a pain. And thanks for the tip!

[@Nowayjose-z2r]

@@JeffLyle Thank you, hope it helps the next guy. I know been a few years since video was released. Great job though!!!!

[@JeffLyle]

@@Nowayjose-z2r It has been a while since I did that project. Still one of my favorites... nothing like an LS3 with a cam and long tubes! Thanks for watching

[@sixty9fordkiller]

the headers/plugs/wires really battled you. good stuff i guess its pointless now but when i did the headers on mine, i used 2 studs...(one in the front and other by the firewall) and used those to hang the gasket and as a guide to get the headers on. Then i started the 4 bolts to catch a few threads and then finally removed the 2 studs and installed the final 2 bolts. went in smoothly. plugs and headers swapped in an hour and a half

[@JeffLyle]

sixty9fordkiller great advice on installing the headers. I’m sure someone else will benefit from it and I’ll give it a shot on my next project!

[@Sergio-ih6lk]

The car sounds great excellent job just saying

[@JeffLyle]

Thanks man... nothing better than a big cam LS3. And that was through stock mufflers. After I put the cutouts on it, it was just ridiculous

[@johnnyholder4844]

i got pretty much same set up 14 1le but mine bucks under 1800rpms

[@JeffLyle]

a little buck is normal. If you can't control it easily by slowly applying the gas, then you might need to talk to your tuner about some adjusting the tune.

[@issaknifecat5359]

U good bro? u look like u dropped some blood at 25:18

[@JeffLyle]

haha that's funny. It does look like blood... it's actually thread lube I put on the bolt so it doesn't strip.

[@PageCrowes]

sounds good

[@JeffLyle]

James Scherrer thanks. Glad you liked it!

[@keyanutate6127]

Ls3 or l99?

[@JeffLyle]

LS3

[@sergiomunoz9874]

Good job brother what stage cam did you use

[@JeffLyle]

Thanks Sergio - it's called the "Bald Eagle" cam but it is the basically the same as a TSP stage 2 cam but with 600 lift on intake and exhaust

[@hughmungus9831]

You’re in texas?

[@JeffLyle]

Yes sir!

[@hughmungus9831]

Jeff Lyle dude true street is quoting me crazy prices! Would you ever install headers on another Camaro? Obviously I would pay and help you do it.

[@JeffLyle]

@@hughmungus9831 How much are they quoting you and what all are they doing? A typical install of headers that is pure bolt on with no issues can take about 4 hours and I think TS is about $125 per hour. Plus you have to factor in tuning which will take 2 HP Tuner credits ($100) and about an hour on the dyno. A complete retune will cost about $700 at TS and a simple O2 sensor delete or retune if you have aftermarket cats would be about $200. So I am guessing they are quoting $1200 install and tune minimum.

[@JeffLyle]

@@hughmungus9831 Then you have to factor in potential for broken exhaust bolts and potential modifications to make them fit... it can get expensive for a quality shop like TS to do work.

[@JeffLyle]

@@hughmungus9831 There is always a risk that things won't fit perfect... I'd say probably 10-20% of the time. Plus with the risk of broken exhaust bolt extraction, I'd hate to commit to helping you and then opening a can of worms that you aren't willing or able to take care of. For example, if an exhaust bolt is broken on cylinder 7 or 8 which is very common, the only way I can get it out is to pull the head of the car and get the welder out.

[@MrImpatient2018]

good job man

[@JeffLyle]

Mr Impatient2018 thanks Jeremy!

[@wesleybeeson1818]

Good job! , but get that can of dew off of the paint lol ! Cheers

[@JeffLyle]

haha thanks man! I am pretty bad about putting stuff on the cars. With 4 little kids, I have had to get used to door dings and scratches... just can't have nice things anymore. Thanks for watching

[@christopherbarnett5327]

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