2013 Model S P85 air suspension replacement at Bilexperten & Tesla Toolbox

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[@basedw]

I really enjoy the videos with Nassir. He's so nice and passionate about his work. Nassir, if you're reading this, please keep it up! More videos like this!

[@pip5461]

Looks like you've managed to find yourself a decent service department which keeps up with technology.

[@AdrianMcDaid]

The Wizard

[@2rsvold]

As a Norwegian Tesla owner, I approve this Norwegian-English!

[@Roban554]

The mechanic working on Bjørn's Tesla also worked on my Tesla two weeks ago :P

[@elan191173]

Wow, if only the technicians at the Tesla service center were as open and communicative as this guy!

[@MartinzW]

I don't know about your part of the world but here car technicians tend to suck because those who become technicians here do it for the love of doing technical stuff but often don't give a rat's ass about people. So you end up with proud, angry, silent, smelly technicians who call themselves 'experts'. Nassir clearly cares about people and communication which I feel like is extremely important.

[@Luis_slides]

Because customers are annoying, leave the techs alone to do their job they don’t want to talk to you

[@paologava5005]

I've had my 2014 235000km model S - identical to Bjørn's- checked a month ago before a trip to Italy. Extremely satisfied with the job. Having Nassim closeby is actually a reason for me to feel more comfortable in keeping our 'old lady'.

[@slartybartfarst9737]

The suspension reaches correct height with compressor running then sensors are working, if not then fix them (often seized up) . If the compressor does not cut out when suspension to height then there is a leak, Trace with soapy water and fix. If the car sags when parked it's the one way valves on the legs (Shiny brass bits on air feed available Ebay £15 And common problem). Very rare to be legs, very rare to be rust.

[@christianvenneslan9361]

Hi, I cant find these air valves to the legs on ebay. May you share an link?

[@17NaniLuis]

It’s interesting to see how long lasting the old Teslas are. Driving a 2014 TMS these videoes are intriguing stuff! It would be really great to know the repaircosts though... (or did I miss something)

[@olivetom1410]

I agree, this kind of video is interesting but it would be better if we knew the cost of these repairs.

[@SlowXDreams]

I have a 2014 aswell. Just got an estimate from tesla to change all 4. Roughly 50k SEK

[@thomashierzberger6945]

Just for the Elephant in the Room: How much does it actually cost to change your Air-Suspension in an MS?

[@HansKruse]

Thanks for that Bjørn. Exactly the same happened to my P85 from April 2014 and had done 270.000km. I'm also in the process to the the drivetrain repaired for the next several hundred thousands of km's. I got all brakes replaced and some other parts as well. There are still a few things to be done before it is really good again. It would be interesting to have you investigate what will happen when the drivetrain warranty expires. For me it is April 2022 and I'm now on the 4th rear drivetrain. The batterypack is the original and with about 10% degradation but I worry about is a battery replacement after the warranty runs out. Tesla repairs the replaced drivetrains and battery packs but there is still no price for these repairs after end of warranty.

[@HansKruse]

@@rqcg The last one was a month ago.

[@garybean2205]

It appears the fabled One-million mile capable car promoted by Elon Musk is only possible if major components are replaced all along those many miles. It would seem somewhere between 50,000 and 200,000 miles vehicles become bottomless pits of money spent to replace major components.

[@HansKruse]

@@garybean2205 The old model S was never claimed to be a million mile car! Besides that your claim is completely wrong about repairs. About $10K and the car will go another several hundred thousands of miles. Mine has done close to 200K miles. Before repairs now there were very few repairs.

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

looks like the salt on the roads doing it best to ruin the suspension. The suspension has done very well on mileage apart from that sensor that locked up, surprised it didn't have a rubber covering to protect it.

[@cmos1981]

yeah man... salt is the worst... Might be a good idea to get the car sprayed/protected before each winter...

[@rkan2]

It ruins everything in cars... Even supposedly much more "rust free" aluminium chassis. With sufficient grit spray you'll get corrosion too...

[@moestrei]

I can confirm: Same Model S similar mileage but in Australia: None of those corrosion problems and air suspension working fine. But other suspension parts do get tired and need replacement soon. Pretty good given the roads here are in a bad condition.

[@johantonde3336]

There is Good rust protection that We use in Sweden, Dinitrol or Hagmans if you just want to spray some parts

[@ChuckJ1944]

Wonderful! Very informative. Great techniical expertise. I can't believe how well you command the English language also!

[@steveroper8733]

Fascinating. I hope we begin to see more independent service shops in the US.

[@boomer4578]

I appreciate these type of informative videos

[@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524]

Hah! I wish. My 18 Model S front suspension struts rattled and were replaced under warranty by Tesla at 10k. Still rattling (it’s normal for Tesla apparently according to the SC) but getting worse again at 40k miles. Going in again for yet more struts and a second set of driveshafts (noisy and sloppy again). Absolute junk. Great video. Glad you got such good mileage out of them. I think the RWD cars are much more robust.

[@dennisvanhelden9253]

A full service overhaul, one step at a time!

[@jollygreen4662]

For a mechanic, this is the place to be

[@ilive41]

With adjustable lowering links you can install the new air struts, repressurize, wait a day, and manually level with sensors.

[@rigel1632]

Another fascinating video 👍

[@dyremk1]

Couldn’t remove bolt, changes the whole spindle. That’s what you do when cost doesn’t matter.

[@mariomotorcyclediaries]

Premium content spoiler! Love this kind of videos

[@jamese.gulyard8897]

It’s nice to see Tesla allowing shops to buy parts , this wouldn’t have happened here in the United States

[@Teslavangelist]

No? Tesla-certified body shop where I am orders parts from Tesla routinely. I've had damaged suspension parts on our X replaced, as well as bunch of things in Model 3 front corner after getting hit.

[@sko1beer]

Thought Richard made such a noise in usa Tesla changed and does sell parts now?

[@kaasman78]

Normal issues for a car with this age and driven distance. Especially for a Nordic car. Mostly suspension, brakes and HVAC issues. To be expected with over 350k km.

[@arnefines2356]

Beeing 45 years old, I've never had car run past 250k..

[@kasmopaya2676]

@@arnefines2356 The record is now about 1,4 million km on a P85 Model S in Germany. Hansjörg von Gemmingen - Hornberg just got a new battery under warranty at 1,2 million km from Tesla.

[@t.j.goldwater]

Nassir speaks fluent language of the aliens from ‘Dudes where’s my car?’

[@omarkraidie]

8 year old tesla still is alien technology :D

[@tmyrdal]

When you was in to them with the Model s after you buyed it back, how much was it all the fix and mentinance work you did with it how much in NOK did it cost the first time you had it to them for a fix ?

[@garybean2205]

You are fortunate to have Bilexperten (?) Services available and I appreciate your presence in the work area. Is there an actual Tesla service center also available? All the major car manufacturer branded service centers I have been to in California do not allow _any_ access to the work areas by customers.

[@seba02020]

Very useful video. What about the battery, after getting it to 0%? You mention, that you are planning 600 km trip, so I assume, everything is fine with main battery and 12V.

[@jrayala2819]

What was the cost to replace the air shocks? I have a 2014 Model S 70 out of warranty and want to start preparing for the cost. Thank you!

[@carlosrios7088]

I'm thinking about buying a used S. What's the cost to replace a bad air suspension, vs what it would cost to replace a coil?

[@coniow]

Very informative!

[@giorgi.b]

Still no problems on drivetrain ))

[@FelixFallerDown]

But how much did it cost?

[@AdrianMcDaid]

Looking online around between £400 to £600 each for aftermarket . Plus fitting Maybe can find less expensive

[@kasmopaya2676]

I guess Mr. green pays for it...

[@tobiaslejnerborn2238]

Well, the question is if its worth the hazzle with having an air suspension equipped car. I had a mercedes with same system and the problems related to the suspension was the main reason I sold it. Its a system where the benefits just dont outweigh the problems.

[@GoldenCroc]

A bit surprised you would write that since its pretty obviously subjective whats worth it or not for an individual. There is no single answer, but suffice to say if you can afford to buy the car new, is probably "worth it" and not a big deal to you. Statistically its extremely rare that people buying cars in this price class are effected negatively by repairs of a 7 year old car.

[@natsidruk86]

How about you say something how much did cost?

[@runethobru9801]

Great video and is it possible to know some more about: 1. When finished replacing parts in the air suspension system, is the system pressurized with N2 or just using the compressor? I believe quite a few valve blocks have frozen due to the higher humidity level when compressor compensates for lost N2 after years of service. 2. Any possibilities of draining/deprezzurize system and then pressurize system with N2? 3. Is it easy to do preventive maintenance on level sensors (dismantle without toolbox) or maybe just clean/lubricate? 4. How easy is it to remove the “air box” around the condenser and cooling unit to remove debris etc.?

[@PeterLyksholm]

Some good guestions.. I was also thinking about this.. did you find out, and could maybe update us on the questions now?

[@karkar7622]

My s85 228.000km suspensions seems still working fine.

[@sasike14]

Price, please.

[@moestrei]

A 3rd party service has access to the Tesla Toolbox? How is that possible?? Can I have it too ???

[@rkan2]

They are an "authorized Tesla repair shop" which means they have done the mandatory (and expensive) Tesla training... In the EU you should be able to get the diagnostic tool for some fee - but Tesla doesn't allow for this without the training...

[@f36443]

I'm curious as to why they're running the old version, when the new one is available free of charge if you're paying for toolbox access. I'm not saying they're running hacked software, but their version is the same as the hacked one on the internet :P

[@true_tesla_p85]

Hey Bjørn, what about Open AI autopilot, are you going to install it? It will be really useful for the classic car owners)

[@GranVlog]

I’d that linkage had some rubber housing around it, it probably wouldn’t rust

[@kasmopaya2676]

Does this mean Millennium falcon is ready for the 1000 km challenge, in a few weeks?

[@szymonster123]

What was the cost for parts and job here?

[@rkan2]

OEM-air suspension regardless of make is usually 1000e/strut + labor, so 3000€ shouldn't be far off..

[@HansKruse]

@@haveaseatplease Mine was about 16K DKK

[@davidshipp623]

@@rkan2 I had a single strut done at Tesla a couple of months ago on my MS £2395.00.(2800€)

[@TheRocky3211]

Please do the 0-60 testing at different states of charge .

[@SuncityDirtMachine]

Could you share the step you’ll took to replace the air strut? How did you guys depressurized the air suspension system? TIA

[@menthe885]

Love it :)

[@edmundhayes1840]

Another video! The suspens(ion) is killing me

[@vwduiven3072]

How can you feel while driving the air suspension is becoming bad??

[@davestraight8219]

if only audi and merc airbags lasted that long :D

[@danielkennelly6757]

May I have a copy of the old toolbox software version 1 for my 2014 Model S maintenance? Thanks from Dan

[@Alekpowah]

Those air suspension parts look immensely expensive, how much is it to change both sides?

[@rafffe]

Quick Google search: around 850USD each..

[@giorgiobruno4528]

Korrect

[@masstercraft3973]

Hello, I buy a toolbox license in oficial Tesla website, but I have tried to run the air suspension procedure for refills but it doesn't apear in the toolbox Actions, I have disappointed about it, do you know something about that, is toolbox 3 online, also I can't pair new keys when lost, and can't config the gateway, is useless for 2000dlls per year

[@jollygreen4662]

Not bad lasted 350 km

[@bjornnyland]

*350k km

[@boomer4578]

Seems Tesla needs to do a better job to mitigate corrosion with air suspension

[@Gazer75]

What did you expect from a California based company? There are some other brands that are pretty bad at this as well. Problem is the extreme use of salt and fairly long winter in Norway. At least its a part that can be easily replaced. If the main frame starts rusting its really bad.

[@bjornnyland]

@Gazer: Haven't you seen Model 3? Way better rust protection. From the "California based"...

[@SKYZO4]

what is that badge next to the model s logo?

[@bjornnyland]

Ditec

[@boomer4578]

How many miles on your car when you had to replace air suspension 🤔

[@chrisphillips1948]

About 220,000 miles

[@Matt-dx3wo]

should rub some boiled linseed oil on those bad boys periodically

[@samuellopezknaapen4998]

First :)

[@martymar7465]

It seems to me like many repairs you do are unecesary why fix if it ain't broken

[@bjornnyland]

Like what?

[@martymar7465]

Front radiator, rear air suspension just valve's have air leaks or sensor's seam's like needs proper care with lubrication

[@XENONEZZ2]

Really interesting.... Tesla repairs/service seem to be much more of a precise science compared to what has been normal in the past for fossil cars.

[@moestrei]

Is the same for all cars with airsuspension. This particular one is used in a Mercedes model also.

[@rkan2]

Not really... This would be almost identical repair on an equivalent Mercedes - or other badge which uses air struts from Contitech. Remember Mercedes stalks and other parts were used on the Model S (still are) and Mercedes B-class got Model S drivetrain in return ;)

[@nordlands8798]

It has been similar for all cars in the last 20 years, with lots of sensors and modules that can be tested and calibrated with a computer. At least on an EV you don't have all the extra sensors and modules required to operate and control emissions from a ICE engine. And Tesla have a lot fewer modules than other brands that are stuck with an older design philosophy using separate parts from different suppliers.

[@larsjrgensen5975]

Choosing wheels when calibrating feels wrong, because that means that there is a height difference between them, so suspension needs calibrating when changing wheels.

[@rkan2]

Tesla has always been like that.

[@SirHackaL0t.]

In the screen you can tell it which wheels/tyres you have on the car. The car would then set the height accordingly

[@Gazer75]

Nassir got the most weird gaps in his English vocabulary LOL Ventil = valve ;)