2015 Ford F-350 vs. RAM 3500: MPG Review: Part 2

[@neitzp]

Good job gentlemen; that's the type of information I need. I know it's a boring test but it's very informative. I would love to see the same type of towing test with the F150's 2.7L Ecoboost vs. the 3.5L Ecoboost, the Ram 1500 3.0L EcoDiesel vs. the 5.7L Hemi, as well as GM's 1500 5.3L EcoTec3. It may be hard to accomplish but that type of light duty truck statistics would be great for your Golden Hitch Awards.

[@kingdaniel3519]

I don't get people's obsession of the soft touch on the dash. What do people do that they want or need a soft touch dash? It's not like they are resting body parts up there or sitting on it. Does anyone know how much a pain it is to clean and maintain soft touch surfaces? Or how bad they look when you don't? How many people remember the 80's and 90's, or in Ram's case the 2000's, with their dash pads cracked and crumbling? I'll take a hard plastic dash any day.

[@AkioWasRight]

Soft touch materials leave you with a feeling of higher quality, but it's just a feeling. In reality, good quality plastics are easier to clean and last longer. With that said, I don't keep my vehicles for the long run, nor do I mind cleaning leather or vinyl.

[@kingdaniel3519]

emdec55 I would rather have better materials where they will make an impact on my comfort of use, not where they are useless and are there to look nice. I just don't get it.

[@AkioWasRight]

Daniel Bell I know, but that's what people want. We don't need wood trim, but that's what some people want.

[@kirbyswarp]

The Rams had cracking dashes because they were hard plastic. How do I know? I had one. It was hard plastic EVERYWHERE. At least the GM trucks has soft armrests and door panels wrapped in soft material.

[@MrAngel2U]

I just want a dash that doesn't get hot in the sun.

[@TheClanHF]

The only way to accurately run this test is to have two crews and identical trailers travel the same piece of road at the same time over a longer distance (say 200 miles)... as one viewer pointed out, just a slight change in wind direction can have a massive impact on fuel consumption... you've also got to properly top the tank off. After the 2nd click at the pump, I can sometimes squeeze another gallon of diesel in... testing over such a short distance, at different times, in addition to the fudge-factor at the pump is where significant errors can creep into the calculations.

[@blueschild61]

None of that matters when there are two different gear sets.

[@grahamrothphotography]

I've driven the ram, and f350, I find the Ford pulls faster, but the Dodge works less hard.

[@davidbrennan5]

2 mpg is a huge difference and the Ram had 4:11 gears!

[@dstante15]

Did either truck regen during the test? If it did the fuel economy will be less.

[@duggydo]

Good videos guys. I always enjoy them. I am a bit concerned that the margin of error is a bit high on such a relatively short trip. It would be nice to know your round trip MPG numbers on the IKE Gauntlet runs for reference.

[@Fordguy1997]

The Cummins does have 2 less cylinders than the Powerstroke, so that could be why it did better. Honestly though, guys who drive these trucks don't care too much about fuel economy. I like the Ram a little bit better I think, but it's a tough decision. I'd drive either one.

[@bwspyder1]

the engine is almost the same ci as the ps and the dmax. 2 less cylinders means the other 6 are bigger than a 8v pistons and more fuel per cylinder due to its bigger.

[@larry8065]

No, they're not keeping track of regen, so that makes these tests useless. If only one truck regenerates during the testing, that can alter the results of the test greatly. Also, mileage is important to many people. 2 MPG may not sound like a lot, but that's roughly a 15% difference in MPG. Imagine a large, high mileage fleet spending 15% more fuel. It could add up to thousands of dollars in a very short period of time.

[@brandonfriesen5389]

The 2 cylinders less doesn't necessarily mean it's more efficient. Take fords 3.5 V6 TT. It gets worse fuel economy than the 5.0l V8. But in 2007-2012, Ram was the worst on fuel. Why? Because it had no def fluid. Now it does and it's taken a huge leap. With def, the engine no longer dumps raw diesel into the exhaust to act like def fluid to clear the dpf out.

[@larry8065]

***** My brand isn't Ford, and what I said is commonly understood by owners of DPF equipped trucks.

[@brandonfriesen5389]

Larry Ummm, the truck doesn't use diesel fuel to regenerate, it uses DEF fluid. They only used diesel fuel to regen when they only had a DPF like the first gen 6.7 Cummins from 2007-2012. If the trucks in this video used diesel fuel to regen, that would've rendered the DEF fluid useless! Also, the Ram uses the most DEF fluid and since Ram knows that, at every scheduled maintenance interval when you bring your truck in, they fill the DEF tank for free, I'm not sure if GM and Ford do the same. Anyways, the Ford could've regened 100 times in the video and the Cummins 0 times, and the fuel economy would not have been affected one bit.

[@fletchschubert5044]

Great videos guys. Jealous of the bronco Roman, I used to own one when I was in high school. I now have a '12 f150 ecoboost thank to your videos. I hope Roman get a '17 Raptor finally with the ecoboost, the ultimate truck.

[@noblekitty]

That's a good amount of mpg differences. Ford did their own videos showing their 6.7 Scorpion (when it was rated for 400HP) vs Ram Cummins (before Ram starts using DEF) vs Duramax and it showed the Scorpion has the best mpg. Of course, it was a Ford controlled setting. The Ram 6.7 Cummins just start using DEF late 2013 and DEF supposed to improve mpg. Regarding the hard plastic on the Ford, I like soft touch material too. However, only if the soft touch material would last as long as the hard plastic or better under the sun for 10+ years. We have pickups from all 3 brands in our company fleet. And the Ford hard plastic stood the test of time under the Texas sun. The GM and Dodge older interior didn't fare so well after 5 years or so.

[@mikewill3176]

That's what I like about Ford's. They are cheap and disposable. We have a s10 with the 4 cylinder with almost 300k miles and I'm hoping it blows up so we can get a Colorado or something like it.

[@LarryC213]

In the first video, you said: "the whole crew is here." Where is Nathan?

[@XG0WNLUK3X]

Personally I'm getting real tired of the arguments over which brand is better. It's so childish.

[@jacobhandel5750]

XG0WNLUK3X Suggests a lot about the people that drive them.

[@AkioWasRight]

Jake H Does not!

[@lejink]

Jake H I know you are but what am I?! Wait what..?

[@MrKeyboardCommando]

XG0WNLUK3X I'm gonna tell my mum on you, if you keep calling me childish.

[@MrAngel2U]

Waaaaaaa.. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[@grenade180]

Wow you guys film so close to my work. Maybe I will see you guys filming one day haha.

[@tracym427]

Everybody's arguing back-and-forth, but if anyone has been around the heavy duty trucks with their Diesels They would know the Cummins almost always does better in fuel economy as well as many other things, but definitely on fuel economy. Seen it over and over and over.

[@gilbertnadeau7181]

My Ram 2500 gets about 15.5 +/- towing my utility trailer with my Ultra Classic in it. +/- due to wind or hills. I have had no issues with the fuel filler as the door does have a rubber seal. I drove it over some of the dustiest roads in Kansas with no issues concerning dust getting in the tank. No issues with the DEF fill either.

[@ChloeDunIT]

Great video! I'm also surprised about the mpg difference.

[@donE37100]

That was considerable. Two possible reasons. Later in the day for the Ford. Heard the interior fan blowing and a/c on and working harder because of the day heating up. Secondly, they used the GPS on the Ford to track the speed on the highway, where I didn't see them use it on the Dodge. Dodge may have been maintaining a slower speed on highway because of that. All my deducing came from the video I saw. Now, It may have been as hot during both tests, and they may have tracked the Dodge with the GPS, but if so, they edited it out.

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you for commenting. We double checked both trucks against GPS for speed and distance traveled. However, we also measured the time for each run, and both trucks completed it in about the same 47 minutes.

[@raymartin2712]

The Fast Lane Truck Actually it is strange that Ford goes out of the way to send you a special pickup but you have to use whatever you can find for other makes sure seems like you are nothing but a Ford commercial. As far as the model of pickup, the Ram was not a Laramie which would have made both trucks almost equal. And as far as that idiot driver goes, if he doesn't know why the Ram got better mileage then he is no driver or ignorant to the workings of a real truck. 2 less cylinders means you send less fuel than if it had 8 cylinders. The Ram's standard rear axle ration is 3.73, but this one looks like it was built to tow a goose neck and that comes with a 4.11. The Ford did not have a 5th wheel/goose neck option looking at the video. I have reservations on the weight claimed on the trailer with the small bronco. I have towed a similar trailer with a car and it was not 7200lbs. If you really want to have a real test of trucks then maybe get a driver who isn't so biased and is more knowledgeable. I also have noticed that I get better mileage not using the cruise control, especially when in hilly or mountainous roads.

[@LieKiller]

Ray Martin 2 less cylinder means you "send less fuel"? Lmao. Don't accuse others of ignorance when you are clearly living in a glass house.

[@twadney]

LieKiller Which is why so many vehicless use cylinder deactivation these days.

[@cjr4497]

donE37100 the ram is more aerodynamic and therefor has less wind drag than the ford.

[@MarcMonson]

i would trucks the trucks number more than a consumer phone based gps for speed. Also for Mpg tests windage should be noted at time of test ( from weather station)

[@TheBgtodor]

u like crack?

[@tuliomelo8042]

That interior... Its like Oh myyyy goooodd, there is a pick up ???

[@Inspector694]

Great work guys. One of the reasons i think the ram did better is because its torque peak come on way earlier then the ford.

[@mrf3508]

My 2015 F350 averages 13.5MPG over 19,000 miles with 95% of that on the highway at 70-75 MPH. That is without a trailer or a load.

[@TFLtruck]

Is this for a Dually? Thanks for providing the data!

[@anthonyj810]

Mr F350 Dang that is terrible compared to what I've heard. I've seen people claim 24 mpg with the same truck on the highway.

[@dre04mach]

Mine's a dually and 13.5 is about average. The single wheel trucks seem to do considerably better.

[@joshszydel8202]

My 15 dually with 3.73 got up to 19 on the highway at 67. My 16 f250 with 3.55 gets 17.

[@Mafffffew]

Am I the only one who wants to see them put a bigger and heavier load behind those trucks? Like perhaps some heavy equipment if that's possible.

[@DanielOrtegoUSA]

Another great reviews of thanks for posting. Overall I think it would still offer the Ford in terms of overall comfort and usability.

[@Jassman3536]

Hey Fastlane..I believe you might have missed my post on starting this Regan question a week ago. I brought this up only to be fair to Both the Ram/Ford camps vs the tests that I made personally and your comparisons....can you in fact tell me if the Ford did have a Regan and was any of this figured out in your calculations of your test. It appears to have been an oversight, I believe another test should be in order and at the same time get the Duramax in the mix...and please if at all possible get the same 3.73 or 4.10 gear ratios. Thanks Guys..

[@Cm22c]

You need to include regeneration when testing diesels. In a short test, and if only one truck goes into regeneration, the numbers you collect become misleading.

[@charlesmarshall2697]

Better fuel economy, no frame twist issues, no chronic history of engine problems....obviously buy the Ram!

[@charger7022]

Why was this surprising?? Cummins has always had the best MPG in a diesel! I had and 05 Cummins and got 24 mpg highway if I kept it around 60mph.

[@anthonylemoine4862]

When they were on the highway they increased there speed by 3 miles an hour. Do to the gps speed saying there speedometer was slow. So I don't know, this may have had an effect on the gas mileage a little.

[@superdan5617]

When will you test the Ram ecodiesel on the Ike?

[@NordicNevs]

cool comparison between the 3.73 and the 4.10

[@SurelyYewJest]

So is the reason the Chevy/GMC are not included in this test is that GM didn't/couldn't get you one in time? Because that tow load is well within the Silverado/Sierra's limits, and that truck has the same axle ratios and options (and probably overall weight) if not the same maximum towing capacity. Is it because the new 8-speed isn't in the Silverado/Sierra yet (although the Ford likely still has its older 6-speed)?

[@kaylatuttle9988]

were you testing these trucks in tow haul mode?

[@rahulrane1658]

I like your videos guys - very well done. Also glad to see the Russian mechanic now speaks good English... :)

[@kylefitzgerald4419]

I knew the ram would have won just from axle ratio. Higher axle ratio means high rpm`s, which means your going to burn a little more fuel. I like both, and would take both over a chevy any day. But I think the reason they put 5lbs more of torque in the ram is because of axle ratio. But either way I would take both just because they are match very close and wouldn't make a difference. So ram and ford are the way to go!!

[@cspennington12]

Well I'll be danged... That 6.7L Cummins is quite the improvement. I'm telling you. You cannot beat a Cummins motor. I don't care how many miles are on it or how hard you push the engine you can't kill the motor. Best part is they don't give you issues. Depending on how you take care of it can play a big factor in everything.

[@nielswil]

When you were filling the truck, what did you add to the tank? Thanks for sharing.

[@timwho57]

He added ( DEF ) Diesel Exhaust Fluid.

[@genuinejesse]

Good real world test but if the ford was in a regen it would explain the lower mileage. And regens happen unbeknown to driver.

[@scottw9791]

Enjoyed this test! Real world. Great test for people to know what there cost of ownership is going to be. When you do the next Ike test, can you add this to that test. 3 trucks all F350/3500's, same gears, loads that would be for a normal person Under 26,000 lbs and see how they do.

[@zackzander4425]

I figured the Ram would do better, but the Ford would have done better if it wasn't idling for so long waiting to pull into traffic and at stop lights. They tested the RAM earlier in the day when there was less traffic / congestion.

[@kylefitzgerald4419]

But axle ratios to. When you sometimes have the higher ratio then you usually get higher rpms which means your going to burn that little bit more of fuel. It was the same with my old f-150. I had a 3.55 and the rpms were lower and my 15 has a 3.73 and rpms are a little higher and does not get close to the same. But I agree with what you say, they let it sit longer then the ram and did the ram when less traffic.

[@MarcMonson]

Kyle Fitzgerald Since i couldnt reply to your other comment... The ram put the extra 5 torques in so they could say they had more torque than the ford, even though it is down 55hp. When you factor in 6th gear and the rear end ratio the final drive ratio for ford is 2.49 and dodge is 2.58 and i dont think that alone makes a 2mpg difference.

[@kylefitzgerald4419]

Marc Monson Well maybe not but sometimes it does. Depends on how you drive.

[@AB-80X]

Well Mr. Truck and Ford fans, it is what it is.

[@Joshgribbon]

Andre is the man

[@strategicbushcraft6391]

The straight sixes usually are a little better than a V8 in MPG if everything else is the same. The V8 will have more power though. That is really good towing MPG for the Ram, very impressive.

[@dundonrl]

the only reason a V8 would have more "power" is they generally rev higher, since they have a shorter stroke.

[@strategicbushcraft6391]

That is true, If they make the bore too large in a straight 6 it will not fit under the hood because the block would get very long. So when they increase displacement on a straight 6 they tend to make the stroke longer. This does not add any power it just adds torque. That is why a 302 V8 has a lot more power than a 300 straight 6 both have 4 " bore diameters, but the 302 has two more cylinders making power. The 300 can beat the 302 in low RPM torque though. The exhaust manifold can also be made more efficient and it is easier to get tuned headers on V6s and V8s than for a straight 6'.

[@lb-ut2wt]

wait a minute.... did you guys fill up in Erie co.?

[@CallsignVega]

Using a fuel filler "click" off is not accurate enough to produce a good result on such a short trip. The variable is too great.

[@jackoftrades2126]

Which truck had the 4.10 axle ratio???

[@LR4TLC200]

It's simple, both trucks have the power to move that little trailer at any rpm, but as the Ram has slower ratio, it keeps higher rpms and therefore it uses more fuel. If they both had the same diffs, the mpg would be very similar, maybe the same. The difference will come with heavier trailers, where the Ram would be able to hold higher gear thanks to the rear axle ratio and the Ford would need a gear down, that's where the turning point is. No matter what, these trucks are amazing.

[@brucebroeking1570]

With the different 6th gear ratio in the transmissions the final drive ratio is almost identical, that is why they run the same rpm at the same mph......

[@DYhondaman]

If only the ram came in the ford's metallic blue!

[@zackzander4425]

That is a beautiful color.

[@chefdan87]

I think in another video they called it denim blue, like the jeans. It is a very good looking color on a great looking truck.

[@u9009e]

Couple of questions guys. 1. What happened to the promised 2015 powerstroke ike gauntlet run? 2. Did either of these trucks in this mpg test start a regen cycle on the run? Please answer as multiple people have asked this very legitimate question! I very much doubt the 14.2 mpg number on the dodge for many reasons. Run a 300 mile run side by side on the same day empty or towing at max capacity.

[@ih1206]

I agree with running them side by side so that you have the same amount of traffic and the same weather conditions, but then you have different drivers and if you're towing, the possibility of unevenly loaded trailers. Seems like its kind of a draw at that point, but would be interesting none the less. And yes answer the regen cycle question please.

[@stevenkirby6967]

Test them again a year later.

[@jr6026]

If the truck regenerated, this test is crap.

[@Cm22c]

No, if neither of them finished regenerating, this test is crap.

[@interpol007]

What does that mean?

[@proudamericanrobman2829]

I was pretty close I thought the ram would get just under 2 mpg better. Over the years that's always seemed pretty consistent. 2 less cylinders inline style normally makes a difference. But have always thought ford underestimates there towing weight the most out of each company. But both are great trucks.

[@ryancrow2876]

same displacement bro dodge may have less cylinders but they're larger. and this test is far from correct. the ford was driven later in the day when it was hotter out and likely more windy and they didnt bother checking to see if either truck regened or not. not saying dodge would have lost but this test was far from scientific

[@jonathananderson9080]

I love all american trucks, I hate how everyone argues about which one is "best" its like complaining which color blue the ocean is...competition means better for "us" the consumer...even though I would NEVER buy a new truck...I will stick to any pre 04 american made diesel lol

[@crazyhass84]

ford has the faster axle ratio and gets 2mpg less. Nice! Why didn't they say how much DEF the trucks used? With the DEF the engine calibrations can be adjusted way more. You can use 15% DEF and only get 5% more mpg, etc. With DEF price the same or more than diesel right now the DEF usage is critical.

[@josenoyola6050]

Andy Hass ford's trans is lower geared and makes the 3.73s feel like a 4.11. the aisin over drive is a .63 vs the ford's .67

[@MY-pj8cd]

I wasn't surprised the Cummins has always been efficient in the past, don't see why they would stop now

[@chris_flies]

I'm sure the biggest reason that the Ram is more fuel efficient, is that it has two less cylinders than the Ford. Meaning that it has less fuel needing to be injected per cycle, decreasing fuel consumption, therefore increasing economy.

[@brucebeckner3049]

While the two engines have the same displacement, the Cummins has fewer cylinders and therefore fewer moving parts to generate friction. Thus, the lower fuel burn for the same work. One variable not discussed is whether there's any difference in the weight of the trucks, which could also affect fuel burn. The disadvantage of fewer cylinders with the same total displacement is there's more of a "thump-thump-thump" sound from the engine, which is clearly audible in comparison to the Duramax and the Power Stroke engines. Also, the Power Stroke gets more horsepower with less peak torque by spinning the engine faster (i.e. a higher redline). than the Cummins. At any rpm up to the Cummins red line, the Cummins will develop slightly more horsepower than the Powerstroke, both engines running the same rpm. Of course, once the Ford spins over 3,000 rpm (the Cummins red line), then the Ford makes more horsepower.

[@frankym274]

Nice Brand New Truck

[@donalddietrich9442]

In about 3-4 years when all the sheet metal is rusted out on the ram you can use the money you saved on fuel to buy new doors, fenders, etc.

[@SVielha]

Is there something I don't get? The RAM was 3 Gallons for 4,6 miles, which was 14 miles per Gallon???? The Ford was 3,5 Gallons for 4.6 miles, which is 12 miles per Gallon??? Could anybody explain that calculation to me?

[@OverkilledUnderdog]

Good review but both videos could have been done in about 5min total.

[@cantevenseeyourightn]

OverkilledUnderdog they wouldn’t make as much money though

[@benjaminwayneb]

Using the fuel nozzle clicking to measure the amount of fuel used is not very scientific, the fuel tanks and filler necks are designed to maintain expansion room in the tank so you are not completely filling the tank. With a short trip like this a few tenths of a gallon totally changes the result.

[@dundonrl]

benjaminwayneb true.. but since they used the same "method" on both vehicles, should be quite accurate.

[@quadrunner2124]

benjaminwayneb Every once and a while it seems to mess up, but for the most part if you are using the same pump it stays pretty accurate that way. I've tracked thousands of miles doing the same thing. You fill it up all the way, then just in case the pump stopped early from the gas rising too fast. You give it one more click after pausing, which fills it much closer to full then the first click and makes it as accurate as possible. Yes its a short trip, but they'll only rarely be more than 5% off. I know this because 40 or 50 miles is about the limit of my attention span to experiment with one driving habit, so that's where I'll fill on the occasion that I want to try something new.

[@mikem5519]

what is that app called?

[@jbouchard4877]

The difference was the very unscientific way of topping up the fuel tanks. When I worked at a gas station years ago. Diesel trucks were very random when they'd set off the shutoff valve. So the double click means absolutely nothing!!

[@spiker84]

I'll admit to siding with inaccuracies on these test before, but my god some of these comments are getting out of hand. I'm a dodge fan, but they both have good power. I went with the dodge because the possible repair cost would be way less.

[@PalmerBoudreau]

That 6.0 in the background tho...

[@mikewill3176]

Im surprised that the 6 cylinder made more torque than the 8. Both great trucks either way but never will I probably need a 3500 series truck.

[@MarcMonson]

from a physics standpoint, inline engines have the capability to make more torque, although a V engine will make more horsepower

[@drakore244]

Mini Moto You also have to realize that these engines are all pinned at certain HP and torque. The Ford is known to get 1000 torque with little modification

[@mikewill3176]

drakore244 Well for economy of course.

[@kens97sto171]

They are both about the same total displacement. One has 8 cly one has 6 cly. Should mean either the stroke is larger or the bore, or both on the 6 Cly engine. That would be the Cummins. That will equal more low end torque, but less RPM which is where you see the HP number start to cross the torque number at 5252 RPM. The reason is the combustion pressure is being spread over a larger surface area, and or has a longer stroke to push for a greater duration. You see this in has engines too. ... take motorcyles. A parallel Twin will make more low end torque but less total HP than an inline 4 of the same displacement. the I-4 will rev much higher, but have crap torque down low.

[@mikewill3176]

kens97sto171 I don't even think the Cummins hits 5k but overall great way of putting it.

[@mcinkyt]

Somewhere out there a boat trailer is missing it's fenders -

[@pontiachotshot]

Wonder if this ford diesel will blow up like the 6.0 and 6.4 ?

[@gigatigga]

You should check out PowerStrokeHelp's channel to see why the 6.0 and the 6.4 suffered from the issues they did. It really came down to the way the engine coolant came in direct contact with super hot exhaust components. They changed the design and added another radiator to remove that issue.

[@zimks]

2011s 6.7 had ceramic ball bearings in the turbos the burned up and blew the whole engine... But my brother 6.4 was just in the local diesel hope for a cracked piston and was talking to the mechanic and he said he would never buy these new 6.7s there was a problem in them but I cannot remember what it was

[@pontiachotshot]

zimks Not surprised at all.They will never make anything like the good old 7.3 ! NEVER !

[@masoroo818]

pontiachotshot Look up "high-mileage 6.7 powerstroke" on google. There are a lot of these engines with 250-300k miles and some with even more, with only minor stuff replaced. Some companies and car haulers swear by them. They are very good engines and the only 2011 problems were in the cab/chassis set ups or the very first made.

[@zimks]

masoroo818 and ceramic ball bearings that burned up and torpedoed the whole engine

[@RAJohnson713]

What is that clear liquid?

[@ivywells3901]

DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid). The government told them that they would either have to lower torque and hp numbers on all diesels to make them more Eco friendly or put DEF in it to keep the exhaust clean or "rolling coal". I know this because my fathers 2014 ram 2500 Laramie takes it. However I managed to get away with it in my 2006 Ford F-250 king ranch

[@unitedgray]

Ivy Wells It makes no sense because the EPA doesn't even bother to test the efficiency of HD trucks...

[@isaacrose5703]

It doesn't make sense until you have a truck like mine, a 2012 kenworth v10 Cummins getting 7mpg, then its makes a little more.

[@mike4food]

Next time you do this use the gps speed for both trucks. The ford could of been going faster then the dodge.

[@dundonrl]

mike4food they did.. the Ford was about 3 mph slower on the dash vs the Ram which was right on, which is why when Andre said the GPS speed was 62 mph Ken accelerated to 65 mph in the Ford.

[@lfsracer79]

4:18 ONE pound-FOOT, 2 or more pound-FEET of torque

[@livingstons6397]

People aren't really going to care about the fuel economy on deisal trucks. It varies how much your hauling. People don't just haul a load that is 7250 lb some haul animals, rv etc.

[@ryanschaefer1587]

Were both 4x4? The dodge looked like it wasn't

[@timshull59]

Both those get better mpg than my 97 f250 351

[@abc123456efg]

Did you measure DEF usage? I think that's just as important as diesel usage nowadays.

[@brandonfriesen5389]

Not really. When you bring your truck in for regularly scheduled maintenance, the dealer fills the def for free. At least they do on Rams.

[@ryancrow2876]

Brandon Friesen i hope youre not getting maintenance done as often as DEF would need to be refilled. well with dodge who knows

[@brandonfriesen5389]

Joshua H The ram is said to have a minimum def range of 10,000 miles. That's the mileage interval of each service.

[@brandonfriesen5389]

Joshua H Meh, I could give two shits. That's what the dealer told me. I don't have a ram with def so I wouldn't know anyways. I was told the tank was 5 gallons too

[@cwyoming7004]

It seemed that the Ford spent more time idling, but heck I'd take either truck. Anyone have 70G for a truck?

[@dankruger2890]

suck it up ford fans. Ram clearly won that challenge hands down. And let me tell you Mr. Truck would of said something if there was anything unfair, being he is a ford lover. Sold me on another Ram. Two miles a gallon is a huge difference! Wow Personally I love to see Ford LOSE! There trucks are so outdated and yet people think there the best.

[@vincentrobinson8056]

😂

[@clayornelas7537]

wow My 91 F350 dually gets 16 average with the 7.3 idi

[@MsMoparman46]

I'll take the Ram any day to a Ford. Sorry but way better looking than Fords trucks.

[@guerreroqrx1929]

I know the ford trucks are good but they are ugly as fuck

[@chefdan87]

Matter of opinion i like the Fords more than the Dodges.

[@duncanstamps]

Really if it works it works If you like a truck better good for you, are more likely to take good care of it unlike some of my dad drivers

[@dundonrl]

chefdan87just hope you don't have to do anything under the hood on the Ford.. for example your turbo goes out, you remove the cab on the Ford, the Ram you just open the hood and unbolt it..

[@davidchildress7185]

Ram 3500 anytime before that Fix Or Repair Daily lol!

[@danbrauner9247]

Looked to me the ford had some squat to it. I didn't notice any with the ram.

[@mike207922]

Было бы здорово если бы Андрей еще и на русский переводил.

[@The_Osprey]

I knew it. Ford lies about their mpg because their odometer/speedometer is calibrated deceptively. They say they are going faster and further than they really are hoping to dupe the consumer. I like their new products but I detest that mpg scam they insist on running. I wonder how far off the GPS distance was from the Ford odometer distance. Also, since I bitched about the decision to go 65 I will say now that I have an explanation I understand. I live in the land of the 75 MPH or higher speed limit but I understand your logic now.

[@survivalguyfyi5718]

Damn! Ram beat Ford even with 4.10 gears. Not just beat, clobbered! I'm tellin ya, and I realize it's now 2018, but an inline six is superior for towing. Peak torq at lower rpm. It just doesn't have to work as hard giving you more mpg and longer engine life. Now 0 to 60, Ford and Chevy win but I don't buy trucks to race. I buy them to haul and tow. If I cared about zero to 60 I'd buy a Corvette.

[@Langerang]

Im ok with the ford plastics because theyre built to work not luxury or a "inbetween"

[@itsCopello]

Honestly, 42 miles for a MPG test is highly inaccurate.

[@beasley762]

The Ford transmission must be lower geared than the Ram or else the rpms wouldnt be that close at the same speed. Theres usally quite a difference between 3.73s and 4.10s. If that is the case then these trucks are about as equally matched as possible in the drivetrain department and its not rocket science why the Cummins did better...forget the torque comparison they're nearly identical on paper. Look at the hp difference...385 vs 440. 6 cylinder engines always generate more torque per hp than V8s and thats why they've been more favored in the commercial world for decades. I dont understand the physics of it but thats just the way it is. Long story short...you have to pump more fuel into a V8 to match torque numbers of an equal sized 6 cylinder, hence the notable hp difference

[@evans4you]

If both trucks tow at or near their maximum capacity the ford will use less fuel, rams have always burnt more fuel than chevys and fords

[@bpscottland74]

HOLY CRAP 2.49 FOR DIESEL

[@overtheclouds9]

Can someone ask Ken to pull his jeans out of his boots. Is he a pig farmer?

[@larry8065]

*REGEN*

[@brandonfriesen5389]

Larry doesn't use diesel fuel, it uses DEF fluid.

[@larry8065]

Brandon Friesen No, the selective catalytic reduction uses exhaust fluid to reduce NOx, particulate filters all still work the same way using added fuel to burn off soot. With that said, Less NOx=EGR=less soot=less regeneration, and that's how they improve MPG with DEF.

[@brandonfriesen5389]

Larry Oh okay, I apologize then. I do notice that the new Rams are top of the class for fuel economy now. But they use a ton of DEF fluid. I was told by a Cummins mechanic that they don't use diesel for regens. They just dump the DEF into the DPF and it burns off.

[@7dodge4]

this fast lane truck guy really doesn't like ram at all.

[@XD65]

ram baby

[@killershark90]

Are you guys allergic to a stick shift or something? like who in their right mind buys a diesel with an automatic, also I find these numbers pitiful considering I drive a 1995 Chevy 3500 ext cab long box with the 6.5 turbo on a 5 speed and with about 12000-13000 lbs of wood I get 28-31 mpg (non dually)

[@matthewvader8651]

+killershark90 it is 2016 and these days 95% of new trucks are auto.

[@bwspyder1]

my 03 lb7 could easly get that much or more. all with a 5 speed. why would anyone buy a new truck.

[@aldoruiz9627]

ford power i have a 06 f-350 dully and love it i will always stick with ford when it comes to diesel engines

[@thatcoloradoguy]

As long as the trucks got a Chevy ford or ram badge on it I'll drive it.

[@jaytrock3217]

Ford not making their mileage? Never. They have never been sued for that.

[@crazyhass84]

ram baby!

[@jonathananderson9080]

what I love is NOT having a DEF tank..haha!!!!

[@davidallred4611]

If you make the weight 22000 LBS , do it again and the Dodge will win everytime!