2017 Ford F-150 with new 10-Speed Auto & EcoBoost Engine: Your Questions Answered!

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[@tsnorquist]

I can't wait for that 10 speed manual in city driving. It's going to rock!

[@jeffery1524]

I'm a Chevy guy. It took me a while to start liking the Fords twin turbo V6 after watching several videos on it I started to think, OK maybe a V6 can be in a full size truck. With this 10 speed transmission I'm thinking it is going to hit a home won. Way to go Ford!

[@sawyerpalmer9626]

Chevy and Ford worked together to make this transmission, it will be on Chevy trucks too

[@jeffery1524]

+Sawyer Palmer yes I know that. But Chevy wasn't the first to bring out a twin turbo V6 for their trucks neither. trust me I would never purposely buy a V6 for a full size truck. but still cool.

[@larryspiller15]

just saying but gm's 6.2 matches fuel economy of the 2015 ecoboost while being a minamum of 400 pounds heavier. please individuals love to argue that premium is recommended but the same could be said for a turbo engine so it's irrelevant. I'd rather have the v8 sound and not have to worry about turbos. not to mention the less efficient towing when in boost. ford is doing a good job though, I think aluminum is the future and that gm's videos are ridiculous when they try to trash it, and also it's a load of shit that you need to get such a high trim just to access the 6.2.

[@jeffery1524]

+larry Spiller well said. and you're right about people loving to argue. I'm a body technician and aluminum is not the future. it will take two days longer fixing a aluminum bedside over a metal bedside no matter who makes it. The only place aluminum has a place in half ton trucks if they can warranty the truck with a plow on it.

[@larryspiller15]

Jeffery U​​ yeah that's a hard one to argue. Really the only non negative towards it Is at least it doesn't add cost to regular maintenance that you know your going to for sure have to pay... crashing is such a random thing though and in a 5-7 year loan your paying off I'd bet the odds are quite high though.

[@superbuttfoot]

Absolutely love my 2017 3.5 Ecoboost, 160,000 miles and running great

[@mudwiser1391]

Great video. I don't know is Ford is still doing it on 2017's but in the 2015 and 2016 F150's Ford was using a system that would enhance certain exhaust tones that you would hear in the truck. The Ford explanation is ''The DACMC determines the engine tone to enhance based upon engine rotation speed data, engine torque data, and accelerator pedal position data from the PCM. The data from the PCM is processed and converted into an analog audio signal, transmitted to the DACMC internal tone generator, '' basically,on higher model 3.5 EB's a tougher, meatier sound is pumped through the speakers, as a result when you are in the truck it sounds A LOT different than when you are standing beside the truck. I know, I know... some of you are saying bullshit!!!, but look it up.

[@stuartpickles6907]

I used to ride a 10 speed to school

[@wojtek0128]

Andre. I've priced both 2016 f150 an the 217 super duty... and for about the same price....I'm leaning towards the super duty because i believe you get more bang for your buck with the super duty...more capability to tow, haul. What are your thoughts? After carefully looking at the comparison of these two trucks I think I'm going to purchase the super duty this fall.

[@Morris1962]

What I really want to know about the new transmission is serviceability: Does it have a "lifetime" fluid? Is there a new fluid specification coming out with the transmission? How much will the fluid for this new transmission cost per quart? Is there a drain for the transmission fluid on the bottom of the pan? Does a drain and fill of the transmission require any special tools? Does the transmission have to be at a specific temperature (like newer Toyotas)? How much will the oem filters cost? Does the transmission have any problems with an aftermarket fluid cooler?

[@BasicBodThor]

"Please introduce yourself for those who don't know you" I don't feel like many people know the marketing managers for car companies :P

[@terranborn56]

Thanks for asking about other platforms. I would love to get a Transit van with the 2nd Gen Ecoboost with the 10 speed Trans. Even if they used the 2.7.

[@JoseChung21]

The delay in getting the EPA MPG figures is frustrating - thanks again for asking Andre.

[@stevehuber6499]

2500rpm at 110mph!!! Whaaaaat? Thats dope!

[@roughneck677]

They put the port injection in the new Ecoboost to keep the back of the intake valve cleaner. One of the side effects of straight DI is coking on the intake valves that causes serious problems as the engine gets higher miles.

[@alandominguez1707]

Guys, not to nitpick, but Roman and Andre should at least pretend to look interested when they are interviewing someone.

[@mecheng1993]

Yeah it's a little disrespectful

[@Friebe1000]

Rude ass Russians i guess. Nathan is the man for the job

[@DJKiDDKlashez]

It was a bit rude.

[@texnorthman]

Was just about to comment something to the same effect - he seems to be preparing questions and checking that he has got everything covered :)

[@alandominguez1707]

Jan Schlossar dude I have, and I had my questions ready so when the person was talking to me, I would look them in the eye. I also had my questions on a sheet of paper, not on my phone so i would not seem like one of today's teens that have a phone permanently attached to their hand.

[@kevinhill8813]

I'm such a fan of the Ford F-150 ! I own a 2006 Roush F-150 Champions Edition"New England Patriots Edition" I heard the the gentleman at the start of this post who manages the transmission or power train division say "we're pretty happy with this 10 speed transmission " I would never say " I'm pretty happy with my wife or girlfriend? "I imagine as an intelligent individual he can see room for improvement ?

[@DoRC]

more complex but im glad to see port injection return. there reqlly is no good solution to intake valves getting fouled up with just direct injection (so far). They will never say it but im sure thats the primary reason for bringing back port injection.

[@DavidStanleymusic]

Will the new engine be free of the reliability issues of the old one?

[@thatdamguy00]

Making me want to upgrade my 2013 with a 6 speed!

[@Geordo1960]

Andre, you do quite well without the notes, no need for the photo prompting. It must be exciting as well as tiring and nerve-racking to be new in your field and to do this type of work! Be aware that when you're new at something you're not going to get everything perfect. Relax be yourself and enjoy yourself! I have been watching you develop over time and you certainly have a fan in me.

[@DemsRdisguisedredcoats]

Someone asked a dumb question about the turbos, but nothing about the timing chain stretch issue? My 2013 ecoboost chain stretched at 98000 miles, traded for a 2015 5.0. Want to go back to the ecoboost in 3 years, but what about that chain??

[@tommytruth7595]

Still a problem.

[@fabianhernandez3126]

Not sure if any asked about the 2.7 ecoboost hp perhaps going up if they will also be offering it in 2017? im realy interested in the 2.7 for fuel efficiency and so much room it has to offer. Im a family guy dont need heavy payloads much but it'll come in handy when needed.

[@e.simons6964]

I've read some tech "issues" with the 3.5 E.B. specifically the "blowback" into the fuel system from the turbo system. Has this system been addressed with this new motor?

[@AStateOfKuwait]

what models will keep the 6 speed can you get the 10 on the base work truck model?

[@TheAE35Unit]

I think only the 3.5 gets the 10.

[@MrAngel2U]

4K streaming very well! great vid.

[@josehernandez-ni9jm]

man making me feel like my 2015 is outdated lol but I love my truck

[@Probonoman]

Is the 10 speed going to be in the V8 or non turbo V6????

[@goombakiwi]

I remember reading an auto rag from the late 70's. It was reviewing the new Datsun pickup with a 5 speed manual. The author commented that it felt like rowing a boat. Imagine rowing a 10 speed.

[@rondavis9918]

don't know... I had test drove a GM with the 7 (?) speed awhile back.. seemed to hunting for a gear in traffic all the time, couldn't imagine having to tow anything to boot. Now we have 10? I'll keep my old school 12' Titan with 5speed. Even tho it could use one more gear....

[@guyproulx1660]

ron davis smart decision

[@bassbasss3341]

2020 Ford f150 with a 20 speed automatic!!! tf it's like iphones the numbers just keep getting bigger

[@AgentSmith911]

no problem if it means better fuel economy

[@fjbtube6278]

They could end up with a CVT

[@tumbleweedking5668]

Yep with a 1.5 liter making 500 hp using 3 turbos.

[@moe3655]

james dean h

[@tommytruth7595]

20 speed automatic, 1 liter engine with 6 turbos.

[@juanvargas4521]

The sling shot effect from the turbos kinda effected the way the computer reacted to what gear it should be in the earlier drivetrain. Will the 10 gears help or confuse it some more.

[@elcheke310]

Does anyone knows if they're bringing the Harley Davidson back?

[@curtisjohnston705]

Will the 10 speed transmission be available in the 5.0 also?

[@TFLtruck]

+Curtis Johnston Ford has no comment on this question at this time.

[@offroadpatriot7219]

So basically yes it will be.

[@SirtubalotTX]

Since the 10 speed is supposed to be showing up in the Mustang...I would assume it would.

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

*Yes*

[@DONNYBOYY28]

the twin turbo 6 can tow more anyway

[@7r0j4n]

Really want to like this truck, the older trucks...They look the best in the lineup exterior wise, The EcoBoost engines had a lot of faults and they hyped them up. Same deal in 2017 hyping up the engine with numbers but cant explain how or why this all new engine is better just that its all new and better, Might be a good idea to skip the first year of this engine re-design.

[@trevormyres5315]

Is the 10 speed just for the 3.5 ecoboost? Or will it be in the 5.0 and the 2.7 ecoboost?

[@Jerryklocke]

Just the 3.5 ecoboost

[@STB-jh7od]

When is Ford going to release 2.7L & 3.5L crate motors (esp. setup for rwd)?

[@vskplmr]

is the 2.7 ecoboost coming with 10 speed transmission? that should have been #1 question.

[@TheAE35Unit]

Unfortunately no

[@fonzijurado914]

+TheAE35Unit you don't know that lol and of course all trucks getting 10 speed but takes time is not like installing a net set of tires lol

[@califpv]

2.7 is such a waste on a truck!

[@joelhidalgo1677]

I love your videos. But here is my recommendation based on what everyone has said about the interview. Mainly looking at the phone and not engaging your subject with eye contact. Its very simple. Just have the camera guy pan to the interviewee like they do in real news. This way Ivan can do his thing while the viewer is none the wiser. I hope that helps. Thanks for all the great videos.

[@rosskstar]

How do they alleviate galvanic corrosion issues with aluminum vs steel?

[@BUILTDIESELMAFIA]

wonderful

[@Rynum]

Well Direct and port injection will make this one of the most reliable turbo motors.

[@jockosboy17]

Did I miss something or is there going to be a standard output 3.5 Ecoboost and a HO 3.5 Ecoboost in 2017? and if so it almost sounds like only the HO will get the 10 speed.

[@Johnnycdrums]

H.O. is for the Raptor from what I gather, with more H.P.

[@Generallke93]

I believe the high output is exclusive to the Raptor. Both versions will get the 10 speed.

[@ThePhotographyHobbyist]

Maybe with the mostly port fuel injection being used the valves will stay more clean. Less carbon buildup? Oh and by the way, that auto stop/start can kiss my rear. I still hate that feature on any vehicle.

[@RobMotive]

Nice video. Very informative!

[@crazyhass84]

cant wait to see what the epa mpg is... ecoboost has never been very eco!!! hence the need to completely redesign it and add 4 gears!!! so they raise the price of the truck say 4k and the mpg goes up 2mpg. that makes no financial sense at all and will never give u roi. the truth is they couldnt meet the latest emissions with only direct injection. they went back to pfi to try and avoid adding a dpf like a diesel has... i know i design engines for a living!

[@jobanarusnya_mustdie]

AFAIK Amarok was the first pickup truck with 8-speed automatic gearbox. Why Ford and others waited so long?

[@zonie1953]

Amarok is not sold here and is not on par with any American truck. Its more like the new Ridgeline !

[@DJKiDDKlashez]

Product testing and quality control testing most likely....

[@MrSkyentist]

I like the concept but I have some concerns. In the gm 6.2, this would be great since it's torque is so high up. It can stay in peak torque no matter what, which is great for wot passes and steep uphill grades. The ecoboost on the other hand prides itself on a wide powerband. Having a lower compression to deal with the boost, I feel like it won't see the kind of highway gains gm trucks will and it will lose its edge since it's shifting at wot will be to optimize the horsepower delivered since it should always be in its torque range. Still a great option with a great gear spread, which should let it shift faster and be on the power more, but I still wonder how the gm and Ford trucks will compare when they both drop with the same transmission.

[@kylechrestman6955]

Well. After several years to research this topic, I think it’s safe to say the ecoboost is even better with the 10spd. With such a wide powerband like you said, it is ALWAYS in its extremely wide powerband.

[@Cooldibs]

No matter what they say, more moving parts=higher possibility for something to go wrong.

[@Saki630]

When will we be able to not spend $70k for the raptor... also 2018 has twin turbo 5.0 from the gt350r.

[@kelliegrase4658]

Saki630 neither the gt350, nor the gt350r use a 5.0. Not do they have a turbo as built. Just a little FYI

[@thedominicanway9682]

I bet those other brands already thinking about going plastic like cpvc or pvc sch80 lol

[@banthatrax7995]

In Russia question ask you... Andre,looking at your device and not making eye contact with your interviewee seemed a bit rude.

[@TFLtruck]

+Ineeda Bath Andre is very sorry. There were too many questions for him to sort through.

[@SurelyYewJest]

I thought Andre was fine. Clearly even some of the engineers had phones in their hand, and Andre prefaced that he would be going through viewer questions. How we socialize is changing a bit and I don't think Andre was especially rude or dismissive at any particular point.

[@philtripe]

when i buy a truck i really want to discourage anyone else from driving it or wanting a ride, so i would have liked a two speed rear with a 5 or 6 speed manual...start stop is good for all the city driving i do, now make it hybrid too so i can roll around the job site or maybe even have a job site mode where anyone can jump into it and move it under electric power( gps could keep it from going more than a mile away) and with the extra battery power and generator it could be really handy on a job site if you can give us 20 amps ac power

[@Kburd-wr6dq]

Start stop isn't good though, it's dumb.

[@philtripe]

Imma Turkey how so? i will agree it does have it short comings like starting a motor leaves it with low oil pressure for a moment...but thats how new cars like the malibu can get 30mpg out of a full sized car and instead of having a separate starter motor they generally have a heavy duty alternator that doubles as a starter motor...and another thing is you dont have to use it if you dont want...it only activate (in the new malibu) if you step firmly on the brake (and it did shut off everytime i tried to put into reverse to back into my parking spot, which was annoying) i rented one this summer and it was really nice

[@Kburd-wr6dq]

xUltimate Who shuts their engine off in traffic?

[@Kburd-wr6dq]

phil tripe a malibu is mid-sized, and the honda accord(which doesn't have start stop) gets similar mpg ratings.

[@philtripe]

Imma Turkey park a malibu next to an accord...its like 3 feet longer (surprised the hell out of me to) the car doesnt seem that big but it really is...my best mpg was 42 mpg in the malibu and it averaged about 32...i wouldnt buy one but it was really nice to rent

[@MetaView7]

can't unsee... I just saw the tow weight :O

[@MadMonroe90]

I see it as the 1st gear is acting like a low range, from 2nd to 7th is acting like a 6 speed incorporated and then there are 3 overdrives for high speed fuel efficiency

[@sferris33]

Anyone know if one can choose to have just a regular key vs one with a transponder key?

[@lookitsrain9552]

Like i said on the other video, I have a suspicion that all the performance and MPG gains are in the new 3.5 engine, not the 10 speed auto. I have a hard time believing a turbo engine designed for a wide torque curve benefits from the 10 speed.

[@dre04mach]

Does this transmission also make a phone call to Detroit and ask what it should do before it shifts? You know, like all other Ford transmissions...

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

*So far none of the Reviewers have had any Complaints, only Compliments.*

[@tristanabella7105]

was that blue truck w/ trailer a Diesal?

[@Pete2So]

Can't belive is tested!!!!

[@ozzstars_cars]

only time will tell how durable the new 10 speed transmission is.

[@ajvalicenti]

So far the 8 speed is absolutely bullet proof, of which this is based upon. Would love to see another variant of the 4l80e just in blue oval form.

[@sahiel5]

no its not stop repeating the same shiet over and over agein

[@guyproulx1660]

what's next for Ford, a 15 speed tranny?

[@Saki630]

Only time will tell how durable the new 6 speed transmission is, said the 5 speed douche.

[@cadillac718bx36]

Ozzstar it might be alright being it was tested and developed with GM in Which I've had 0 issues with any of their truck transmissions.

[@maverick_trail]

Start-Stop "feature" is the biggest PITA. Sitting in 100-degree traffic with the engine constantly turning off = AC stops blowing cold air. My '16 Jeep GC has this and it sucks.

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

*Then why don't you disable it, the Ford can.*

[@tommytruth7595]

Disable it every time you get in the thing and start it = PITA also.

[@jonmario3440]

I hope they have 10 speed on the 5.0 engine

[@DJKiDDKlashez]

That's all I ask for.

[@TheSirUno]

Ecoboost only.

[@DJKiDDKlashez]

TheSirUno they do some shit like that, the 2018 5.0 will probably have it. They're only interested on ecoboost sales

[@TheSirUno]

DJKiDDKlashez Yeah, I should have said "For the time being..." as you are probably right. There's no reason to fit it across the line.

[@seanslifer2894]

I wish I could drive a full size with a 6 or 7spd manual. Autos are for sheepeople.

[@chadsteele1]

Is this the transmission built in conjunction with Chevrolet?

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

*Ford took the lead on the project and General Motors was also involved. Each Car Maker fine tunes the 10 speed for their needs. There's also a 9 speed transmission project that's a joint venture and General Motors has taken the lead on that. The 9 speed will be designed for FWD cars.*

[@alecpratt8165]

Why don't you guys do an off road episode with the Hummer H2 and Hummer H3. I know they don't make them anymore bit they are awesome. I drove an H3 and it was smooth.

[@kidluk]

In case this hasn't been asked yet, is this the same transmission they jointly worked on with GM or was that just all a rumour?

[@kingdaniel3519]

It's the same

[@brandydog47]

Like the Mr Truck cameo @ 17:00

[@tonycaffeine2642]

Is the " 10speed" really 10 gears. or a cvt 10"gears"

[@andrewt4427]

How long before a 10 speed makes it behind the Powerstroke?

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

*It doesn't have that kind of Torque Rating.*

[@andrewt4427]

will there be an 8 or 10 speed built for the Powerstroke in the future?

[@RhinoXpress]

so if they saw little benifit from going beyond 10 speen then i don't see ford going higher in gears for along time after this. you prob will see this 10 speed still hanging around 20 or so years from now much like the 4 speed did from 1980 - 2007 when the 4th gen taurus was the last car to have a 4 speed in fords lineup before evrything start switching over to 6 speeds..

[@bmxmz]

16:55 hey Mr. Truck!

[@tmanthekid4396]

What happened to buying a new truck for under 20k custom ordered. I'll keep my 4 speed and uncarpeted interior. Also don't need touch screen radio

[@akaixl83]

Yea I agree I just wait till the truck is at least 5 years old before I buy one, ridiculous prices, plus I wouldn't want to scratch up a 50k truck

[@skipper5951]

Here ya go, a brand spanking new truck for under $20,000, even comes with over $2,500 worth of options like a Hemi V8, tow package, a long bed, bedliner, Uconnect, bluetooth phone, SiriusXM, many more. Perfect work truck, I say. http ://www .hbchryslerdodgejeepram .com/commercial-new/Ram/2016-Ram-1500-orange-county-9cb87a530a0e0ae811fd86ff8da0ee37.htm You can find them all over the country for that price, sometimes even less money.

[@skipper5951]

***** Use birth control so you'll stop devolving our species, you donkey. My point is that trucks are often heavily discounted, it has nothing to do with which truck is best.

[@dre04mach]

Today's 26000 dollar base model xl, adjusted to inflation would be 4200 dollars in 1970. And the 280hp n/a v6 would run circles around those old carbed v8s in terms of power, economy, and refinement/drivability... Now F150s unfortunately are a bit overpriced IMO. And I say that knowing I got a new F350 diesel dually for 41k. - it's the keys wheels and no floormats edition, just power everything, cruise and tow mirrors... but, it's 10x more truck than the F150 you can get for the same money...

[@DJKiDDKlashez]

The 90s are gone, inflation took over

[@SledgeHammer43]

Sorry Andre should have asked about a 10 speed for the Super Duty.

[@fread51]

that would be badd ass

[@fread51]

Mel Laknanurak are you willing to pay that kind of money for that truck

[@fread51]

Mel Laknanurak No shit 100k plus

[@akaixl83]

next thing you know the trucks prices just went from 65k to 120k don't worry grocery getters will still buy them

[@fread51]

***** Home values aren't going up ? you where you stay at mabey

[@Micheal153]

will the 10 speed be with the5.oL to?

[@tonycaffeine2642]

what is the gear ratio numbers???

[@mikemiller5839]

i love my 2016 f150! have the 5.0 coyote.

[@davidmarquez3010]

Whats the senator from the movie Swordfish doing in sunglasses working for ford. Please comment

[@houstoncowdog]

Maybe the 10 speed will keep the EcoBoost motors from blowing turbos as quickly as they have been.

[@DJKiDDKlashez]

Really hope those 10 speeds come in the V8

[@sabertemple3097]

Where can I get one of those f150 shirts

[@henchicken1]

Still waiting for a gen three lightning 5.0L ecoboost please with the new ten speed of coarse!

[@jamesflores9456]

"were happy with the reliability" from for means it willl blow at 50k

[@halimspahi168]

lol

[@tommytruth7595]

Yeah, 50,000 kilometers.

[@MrBigisBack87]

Can't wait to upgrade from my 4 speed one day lol.

[@DJKiDDKlashez]

Hows your mpg looking like? Lol (I'm pretty sure better the the current 6 speeds)

[@revgordon91]

If they are so excited about their drivetrain, why is the warranty still at 60k miles? Y n 100k?

[@revgordon91]

*not

[@coureurdebois]

i am a ford fanboy AND PROUD still shocking how the F150 is the most expensive truck in the segment now at huge 75K thats crazy. a good 10K over any RAM or GMC yet its interior is the worst of the 3 and its ride is the worst of the 3. with that said though finally ford might have an OK transmission seeing as they have always been behind GM and Chrysler in the transmission department. thank you GM for helping us ford guys out!

[@Brownnproud91]

you dont sound shit like a ford fan.. go buy a piece of shit GM and get screwed for your money

[@YoloSwegLordYoloSwegLord]

geo hes clearly an enlightened fanboy lets hope you become enlightened as well.

[@jeez3k]

The f-150 looks better in every way, in and out. Performance wise, i have no idea

[@gmrtg1414]

Please Ford just don't follow GM with a bailout or a bankruptcy filing!!

[@Brownnproud91]

ford is way superior in every aspect than GM or Ran

[@ryansvloggingit5492]

5.oliter a beast it's sounds like a mustang

[@josephdan2850]

Ford should also put 10 speed transmission on 2018 Ford Taurus and on 2019 ford super duty trucks.

[@boss123400]

This is just to increase torque numbers, but it already has enough torque for a vehicle of this weight. Overly complex, and I'm sure that that transmission is more expensive to work on or replace. Seven speeds is plenty for a vehicle of this weight and capabilities. Seven gives you four gears to get a heavy weight rolling, a fifth gear to get you up to speed, sixth for the first overdrive (highway efficiency), and seventh for the second overdrive (interstate efficiency). Put ten speeds and higher in your HD trucks.

[@samuelgants1070]

you should do v8 raptor vs ecoboost raptor

[@user-xn6it6sz2o]

I thought they all gave good answers, interested to see how this knew power plant performs

[@armandomorales3515]

15:43 peep that f150 have a lil burn out

[@dakrt82]

More gears means more shit that can go wrong.

[@brianpalmer3208]

hit the nail on the head 10 speed=more money in repairs

[@DJKiDDKlashez]

People said the same thing 10 years ago about the 6 speed. Yet, it still sales.

[@sly9263]

If there are problems with this transmission, good luck having anyone fix it. You're telling me that every certified transmission tech at Ford dealerships are trained on this thing thing already- let alone well versed? Yeah, right... and good luck if you think a standalone transmission shop can play with it

[@mikedeusa2483]

Why so negative?

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

*10 Things to Know About the New Ford/GM 10-Speed Automatic Transmission* 1.) This new 10-speed rear-drive transmission is the result of collaboration between Ford and General Motors, although Ford had the engineering lead on it. The companies also are jointly developing a nine-speed transverse automatic for front-drive cars and crossovers; GM is leading the engineering on that effort. Not long after Ford starts cranking out F-150s with these transmissions, Chevrolet will launch it in the 2017 Camaro ZL1, coupled to the 650-hp, supercharged 6.2-liter LT4 engine from the Corvette Z06. With a torque capacity of at least 650 lb-ft, this first version of the transmission is plenty beefy to handle that track-ready machine, as well as the Ford Raptor, with its uprated 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 making upwards of 450 horsepower-maybe more. We would expect that soon afterward, we will see this design spawn a family of 10-speed automatics that are smaller and lighter to suit less-hunky rear-drive machines in the Ford and GM families. 2.) As you’d expect, Ford’s new 10R80 10-speed automatic has a wide spread of ratios between first and tenth gear. However, the overall span of 7.384 is not the widest in the business-not by a long shot. There are at least five conventional automatics, including some eight-speeds, with a wider spread. The widest is the front-drive ZF 9HP series with nine gears, as found in the Jeep Cherokee, with a total spread of 9.819. Porsche’s PDK seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox used in the Panamera goes even further with a maximum spread of 10.119. According to Kevin Norris, Ford’s manager of the 10R programs, in the applications planned for this transmission, extensive simulations indicated that there was no benefit in a span wider than 7.4. And with a top gear that isn’t excessively tall, it’s possible to stay in that gear more often at highway speeds, something that we’ve found nearly impossible to achieve with the Jeep Cherokee’s tall ninth gear. 3.) Arithmetic dictates that if the 10-speed transmission does not have a particularly wide overall ratio spread, than the individual gear spacing must be fairly close. Sure enough, with the 10R80, the average rpm drop during a shift is only 20 percent, while it’s 25 percent in the ZF eight-speed found in cars across the industry, and 32 percent in Porsche’s seven-speed PDK. This new 10-speed has closer ratios, on average, than the version of the seven-speed PDK in the latest 911 GT3. The tight ratios keep the engine closer to peak power during full-throttle acceleration and, according to Norris, provide for smoother operation when towing a trailer, a matter of some importance in the F-150 world. 4.) Tenth gear in the 10R80 transmission has an overdrive ratio of 0.636. Ninth is 0.689. That’s a drop of only eight percent, making for a nearly imperceptible 10-to-9 downshift when needed. While Norris promises that tenth gear is a genuinely useful gear in the F-150 and the transmission will stay in that gear over a wide range of highway conditions, the close ninth ratio helps when the truck is heavily loaded or towing a substantial amount. The transmission also offers “Tow/Haul” and “Sport” modes, which also usefully employ the ninth gear-almost as an alternative top gear. Eighth gear also is an overdrive, with a ratio of 0.854. 5.) Though much of the initial hype about this transmission centers on its installation in Ford’s upcoming new Raptor and the Camaro ZL1, it will first go on sale in the 2017 F-150 that's coupled to the upgraded version of the Ford 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6, which now makes 375 horsepower and 470 lb-ft of torque. The 10R80 will be standard equipment with that engine and its close ratios nicely match the engine’s copious low-rpm torque. On the EPA city cycle, the F-150 with this powertrain never sees engine rpm exceed 1450 rpm. In other words, plan to get much worse real-world fuel economy. Although, when you step into it, Ford claims the transmission and engine controls coordinate carefully to avoid situations where the engine comes onto boost exactly when the transmission downshifts, thereby providing a larger jolt of acceleration than the driver wanted. 6.) Thanks to the use of four simple planetary gearsets, controlled by six clutches, the 10R80 is only about an inch longer and four pounds heavier than the 6F55 transmission currently used with the 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6. This required very careful attention to detail in the design of each component. For example, the torque converter in the transmission (pictured above) is about 0.4 inch thinner and two pounds lighter than the one in its predecessor. Part of the weight reduction comes from an aluminum stator support, a formerly cast-iron part. In fact, the new transmission has no cast-iron parts whatsoever. 7.) The clutches in an automatic transmission are hydraulically actuated and controlled, so the new transmission relies on two special pumps to provide the necessary hydraulic muscle. The main pump is an off-axis design with variable displacement. Removing the pump from the transmission’s main shaft reduces overall length; the variable-displacement capability means that the pump’s output can be adjusted to the transmission’s needs, reducing the power that the pump absorbs. A second, electrically driven hydraulic pump allows idle-stop capability. The electrically driven pump is both more reliable and more compact than a hydraulic accumulator, while using very little power. 8.) Just as engine oil seems to get thinner every year, so does transmission fluid, in search of reduced friction. Back when four-speed automatics were the norm, transmission fluid had a viscosity of around 7.5 centistokes. The Ford six-speed uses fluid with a viscosity of 6.0 centistokes. The new 10-speed drops that to about 4.5 centistokes, reducing both friction and the workload of the hydraulic pumps. The new fluid is called Mercon ULV, and is planned to last the lifetime of the transmission, aided by a new filter that has two levels of high-efficiency media and a pleated design with much greater area than the filter in the current six-speed transmission. It also helps that the transmissions are assembled in factories that set new industry standards for cleanliness. 9.) With a low first-gear ratio of 4.696, the torque converter basically aids in a smooth launch, then quickly locks up and stays that way. Shifting is controlled by the six clutches, which engage and disengage two at a time to swap cogs swiftly and smoothly. These shifts do not require the torque converter to unlock, which would decrease efficiency. These clutches are controlled by integrated solenoid valves, which respond more quickly than the usual two-piece designs. The system has also been designed to minimize the length of the hydraulic passages and optimize the clutch designs for quick fill times-all in the interest of faster and more responsive clutch operation. Although we’re skeptical, and these kinds of claims are heavily dependent on exactly what constitutes the start and end of a shift, Ford claims transmission shifts 26 percent-36 percent more quickly than Porsche’s PDK, at least through fourth gear. The transmission can also perform large, multi-gear downshifts-directly from tenth to fifth, or ninth to fourth-smoothly and rapidly. There’s also a one-way clutch, which smoothly and cleanly disengages the transmission when rolling to a stop, avoiding a potentially jarring 3-1 downshift. 10.) In addition to the efficient hydraulic pumps and the low-viscosity fluid, there are other measures to reduce the transmission’s mechanical friction. For example, instead of flat thrust washers, the 10R80 uses ones fitted with radial needle bearings, replacing sliding friction with the lower rolling variety. Even the multi-plate clutches get tiny springs which push the plates apart to minimize their drag when they are not engaged. As a result, the new transmission is more efficient in each of its gears than the six-speed it replaces. For all of these improvements in friction reduction, low-viscosity fluid, and the multiplicity of gears, Ford is only claiming very modest fuel economy improvements for the new transmission. Compared with the existing six-speed automatic, Ford suggests a 3-percent-to-4-percent gain-barely a single mpg in the case of the F-150. That’s very odd, because when ZF introduced its eight-speed automatic, the company claimed an 11-percent fuel-economy improvement over its existing six-speed automatic. Aisin claimed a 6.6-percent-to-7.0 percent improvement with its eight-speed automatics, while Mercedes suggests a gain of up to six percent when going from the 7G-Tronic to the 9G-Tronic. Ford is adding four gears rather than two, yet only expecting half as much benefit. Perhaps Ford is engaging in a serious bit of under-promising here. We would be shocked to see less than 2-mpg-to-3 mpg of improvement once the ’17 F-150 is certified-especially because the truck also gets that improved version of the 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6. *5 days ago*

[@troypower4733]

While I agree with what the marketing manager says he left out reliability. Take the freezing door latch issue which is a major irritation for all of us living in humid winter climates with the new generation of aluminum bodied Ford trucks. Now that Ford finally has an official TSB that addressed all 4 doors in the case of a supercrew....then make sure this is applied at factory, untill it is the marketing manager can forget about me and many others buying the improved performance this otherwise excellent truck has to offer...get the bugs and issues dealt with at factory, this said while not overlooking the important update of the 3.5L EB update with port and DI which should eliminate previous issues as well, don't forget reliability should be included with key parameters that are important to buyers.

[@brent1041]

The fact that people want a 10 speed auto. Instead of a manual transmission is messed up

[@welderteach]

Is Mr. truck wearing some sort of costume @ 17:00 ???

[@gregobrien6912]

Haha good spot made me laugh.

[@canddmeyer]

The circus was in town.

[@tommytruth7595]

That is his pro wrestler outfit.

[@brianeastman3547]

what about the 5.0 litre V8 engine & the cubic inches on the V8

[@ajvalicenti]

Hey TFL: Ask how have they improved the intake valves gunking up after 100k? The current fix is to replace the heads, and no go on seafoam etc spins the turbos too fast and blows em' up. I understand direct injection saves fuel, but we are going away from dependable self cleaning to engines that rely almost completely on them being covered under the manufacture. Please bring back that reliable Ford that built the brand.

[@sahiel5]

some models did that but not many and thats why they have a dual fuel system one port and one direct

[@TheAE35Unit]

If I heard him correctly (background noise), the port injections stays on and the direct injection scales up according to demand. Hopefully that means that the back of the intake valves are getting washed by port injected fuel.

[@davidmaglioli7048]

I've heard that some people were replacing the heads after around 30k

[@linikerdossantos3626]

Andrew Valicenti

[@linikerdossantos3626]

Andrew Valicenti q

[@ryansvloggingit5492]

please please don't get rid of the 5.o liter v8 the ecoboost has to many problems after 50 thousand miles it's usually in the shop

[@Jordendog]

100mph and 2500rpm? Dam!

[@wwjj64]

Why didn't you ask why cant we turn off auto start/stop through user setting rather than having to do it every time we start the truck. Come on ask better questions.

[@boss123400]

Maybe you could pull that button off and solder it in the off position.

[@ajvalicenti]

It will be an easy option to bypass, heck there are many companies that have the AFM delete via OBD2 port works well too.

[@wwjj64]

+Troy Strain or maybe Ford can just give us the option.

[@boss123400]

+joe watson Yeah, but their mileage claims for the eco boost depend on you leaving it on, otherwise, it gets a mile or two better gas mileage than the V-8 and less if you have a heavy foot and activate those turbos often. They won't do it because of CAFE requirements. The delete is the better option, I was kidding about the soldering.

[@adogg619]

Why don't you want the auto start/stop? Over time it's a lot of gas savings, and a smooth seamless transition. I know because I have it in my car.

[@Dankcatvacs]

BRING BACK THE MINI TRUCK RANGER !!!

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

*The Ranger will be back in 2018 and come with an Optional Diesel engine.*

[@alfaallday9100]

he was searching for the next question to ask

[@bcleste]

I had to rewind it. I thought he said they had upgraded the flux capacitor.

[@workingshlub8861]

ive owned 4 f series trucks and they all have been reliable..only complaint is that stupid design on the triton motor spark plugs. others with those years will know what i mean.

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

*A stripped spark plug hole in the Triton would be an easy fix.*

[@kingdaniel3519]

Depends on if he is talking about the 2v or 3v. The stripped holes were the 2v, the stuck plugs were the 3v.