2017 Honda Civic type-R v 2017 Ford Focus RS v 2017 Volkswagen Golf R 7.5 | Wheels Australia

Fresh from slaying the Nurburgring, can Honda’s Civic Type R put some formidable all-wheel-drive rivals in the shape of the Ford Focus RS and Volkswagen Golf R to the sword? Read the full review here: www.wheelsmag.com.au/reviews/...
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[@dean8067]

First time i see a fair comparison with all 3 using manuals. A like from me already

[@luckyrYtArd]

As an RS owner, I love all 3 cars for sure, if I have a lot of money, will buy all three and a M2, M2 for drifting build, golf r will be my daily drive because its automatic and its comfortable. Focus RS will be my project car, civic type R will be 24/7 ready to go if I wanna have a little fun on the track :)

[@charlietimes2770]

all three of these cars are awesome...just comes down to personal preference

[@matthewswank5801]

I just think the Honda type R has a really gross looking back end. The front is nice, but the spoiler and weird angles on the back of the type R just isn't my cup of tea. The others are both nice looking all around

[@garydoctor3578]

Ford massive engine problems now

[@Abu_Teazy]

that have been COMPLETELY blown out of proportion because of social media. count how many documented cases there are against global production and youll see its not as widespread as youve been lead to believe. it seems like that simply because the cracked blocks are a catatrophic type of issue.

[@shqiperirsjacobo2879]

Shane Price my rs is going strong so far I have no complaints I agree on what u said

[@alolaugh6624]

Yeah that’s what we are here to determine

[@gtegarage2546]

Am I really one of the few people that actually like the looks of the Type R and the car in general. I think it looks so menacing.

[@AP-lh1bq]

I'm going with yes. It looks awful, but they got just about everything else right.

[@christopherthompson7443]

I love it too bud, it looks fantastic in a world of bland vanilla design.

[@eklektikTechno]

Yea it was a hideous immature looking car but I’m sure it’s fantastic! to drive

[@swanblake]

Thank you for having all three vehicles have a manual transmission. Well done

[@krisiwanowski11]

I don't get how they said that the Focus RS is the fastest... It isn't. It might be fastest off the line hence the best 0-400m time but if you look at the trap speed its actually the Civic Type R that has the highest speed. On top of things its the Civic Type R that holds the faster time around Nurburgring so again, how is the Focus RS fastest out of this 3? And NO I'm not a Honda fan boy.

[@vallasjo8003]

i believe you are correct..............

[@chrisnevergrowold330]

Focus RS is the one you will love. I have had Integra R, STI, GTI, and a 2017 WRX...and now the Focus RS. It tromps on all of those cars, it's just a beast. Faster, more fun, great looking! Go stealth grey! Got a 10 and an 8 year old in the back seat too, so damn practical lol!

[@mathesb]

Great review of the 3 cars and one of the honests I've seen so far. In 2017 I chose the Honda Civic Type R and I am happy with this car up to this date. Its extremely relieable and performs well in every-day-use and also if I want to go faster. I only modded the air intake system to get a little bit more sound out of the engine, the car is in stock much to quiet for its amazing exterior.

[@MrGunzngirlz]

Something that no one seems to realize is that the Type-R has the best power to weight ratio in the class because it's engine is underrated. It's not making 300 at the crank, it's making 300 at the tires. That means that it's a lot faster than the rest from a roll. On top of that, C&D got it to do a 4.9 second 0-60mph time and a 13.5 second 1/4 mile. It's as fast as the rest from a dig, if you know how to work it.

[@AP-lh1bq]

It's a good point. The CTR is putting down stupid wheel numbers given it's rated power at the crank.

[@mackeymichael]

I see less power loss through the drivetrain compared to the other two with AWD. Good point the Honda just rushes to its redline in all the vidoes i have watched.

[@bmwmdude]

The CTR is an amazing bit of kit in a butterface package, everything about it screams 15 year old kid. The Golf R is on the other end, everything about it screams mid-life crisis without enough bank to get a muscle car. The RS hits the sweet spot between the two. Which is why after driving every one of these I bought the RS.

[@Mixi664]

@@bmwmdude If you could combine the RS AWD system and exhaust sound with the CTR then you could have a perfect car.

[@bmwmdude]

@@Mixi664 I agree.

[@newtsarmy]

Good video. Own a Golf R in the UK and agree with this. It’s well rounded, comfortable, subtle, fast & massively capable but hasn’t once put a big grin on my face on a twisty road. It also bogs down hugely with the manual & I’m gutted I didn’t go DSG. Not sure I can cope with the type r looks & the focus is soon to be replaced and looks dated especially the interior. Hoping the new Megane RS is decent so I can swap up!

[@thetruth7633]

The real question is : which car will still feel fresh after 150000km? I know the answer... H..........

[@azzurasquadra5552]

Who wants to keep a car until 150k..... so F.......

[@callsigncrusader9877]

It's honda civic right

[@donduhorche9515]

Honda looks so damn nice , the interior is hot , the other cars just look so outdated, type r looks like the future, they are all fast cars but sorry type r is the winner for me.

[@vallasjo8003]

mine too............bought one two weeks ago and runs beautifully.................

[@youliangyi3346]

What a good review!

[@waterloo123100]

I absolutely hate new cars but these three still make me think that you can still have fun them. Good Job to my favorite 3 companies for doing something right to this day.

[@MP422ownz]

I love my RS, I miss it so much.... it has been in the body shop for a couple weeks for repair.

[@SloanZurnToto]

Can you please compare the ride quality between the RS and Type R in comfort mode? I had to sell my RS because I couldn't take its harsh ride. I'm hoping the Type R is much more comfortable because I plan to use it as a daily driver.

[@metroidprime3863]

Type R for me the VW GR is boring to look at inside and out and the Ford RS looks nice outside but inside looks cheap and dated.

[@azzurasquadra5552]

Type R is ugly on the outside and nice on the inside...thats why i choose RS

[@eliotsanz7360]

This a really nice video. And I could not agree more with this video. If you are getting one it should be the Focus Rs. And its the best looking car here( well for the interior goes to the VW R).

[@bakerfly305]

Isnt the 2015 model turbocharged?

[@filofilo8127]

Good review . Not a dud amongst them but the Focus does have the edge.

[@MrTefsr]

on the track.. type R certainly would be the choice. considering the package, the gearbox sensation, the suspension, and the aerodynamic look.

[@LongRangeDesertGroupX]

For me its the Golf R, although I do like the RS a lot. What draws me into the R is the "Sleeper" status it has, I currently drive a Chevy SS (or as you Aussies call it the Holden Commodore) and in the US the SS looks like every other Malibu or Impala but packs a 6.2L LS3. I like how the R is very refined, inside and out but packs an AWD turbo punch.

[@racebuddy]

Good start on drag strip with all cars. But maybe you should show rolling road, and side by side cars.

[@RJL1000]

That would be an interesting test! The Civic Type R is a bullet once in gear, which you can see by it's trap speed at the 1/4 mile, which was faster than the other two. We did do some rolling acceleration tests from 80-120km/h where the Type R was quickest (3.0sec) followed by the Golf R (3.1sec) and Focus RS (3.2sec). Above that, though, the torque of the Focus gives it the edge. It's the fastest to 180km/h and beyond.

[@corone2018]

Dont forget 10 hp make a little difference we have the watered down version and if you tune it to the same power of the rs which is only a couple hundreds then which one will be quicker . 41hp difference, imagen giving that edge to the type r you'll see everything change drastically but give it to the rs and its argued witch is quicker lol

[@corone2018]

Project cars - Balkans dont know what this guy is saying but here you go balkans and this is 2016 type r ,all day baby kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJy6lKGvi7aNi6s

[@AzKrElTejon]

Overall? What about snow, price, upgrades, buy back, engine sound, insurance, engine problems, assembly precision, etc. A review should cover everything, a review is made so that people thinking on buying one of this 3 can have a better idea what to expect, all I can see is that you liked the extra 50hp or .6 second over the rest. 3.5/5 starts review Thank you for your time though

[@michaelbuluran24]

Performance ford is ok but in durability... Honda TypeR is Winner... Everyone knows that thing.

[@stefanfreestylez]

Shluldve done a roll race i feel like the type r would take it by a bit and perhaps a timed lap soemwhere

[@garydoctor3578]

Golf for me. They drive so well and no difference in the wet. Classy interior

[@usssztorm1410]

XD your accent is super funny sometimes

[@muckspreader1able]

That golf is an utter snoozefest

[@MarcraM82]

Ryan Lewis, also worth noting here the Golf R comes detuned to Australia. If you drive one thats remapped back to its original form with APR tune it's actually a lot more enjoyable.

[@eman8205]

In terms of reliability which the video doesn't mention the Honda is the easy pick

[@georgedavidov5250]

Focus RS for sure! After owning two STI's(11&15), WRX(12), 13 Evo X MR, 16 Audi S3(same powertrain as Golf R) along with some other high performance cars. The Focus RS is by far my favorite. RAW, fun and very consistent. Nothing can touch this thing from a dig. The AWD system and hatchback design really make it the perfect hot hatch...one you could actually use and have fun with in any weather. It's not perfect, but it's a pure joy to drive.

[@danielnewman6545]

George Davidov I wouldn't say it isn't as enjoyable. The ride is extremely rough compared to the Volkswagen. If you like being thrashed by the suspension that's all you but the VW is very smooth yet responsive

[@georgedavidov5250]

Daniel Newman If you press the suspension button on the stalk next to the steering wheel, you can change the suspension to “comfort” mode. I would say the ride is “bumpy” but no where near as harsh as my 2017 M3 with Comp Pack.. with suspension in comfort mode.

[@tjprovo24]

Nothing can touch it from a dig? Haha, the Golf R here was just barely slower, with no launch control shenanigans like the RS has. On top of that, the Golf R is clearly the car that has the best top end speed, because it shortened the gap the TS had from the better launch. If the Golf R was DSG, it would’ve eaten the RS alive. I still rather have the manual, but you only get launch control with DSG, which would be a fairer race, seeing that the RS has computers launching the car.

[@TheStigHCE09]

WeekEnd133 Well actually the Type R is the strongest at the top end (and of course, rather irrelevantly, has the highest top speed). The Civic has the obvious weight advantage and owners have been finding that it's actually underrated.

[@mperez161]

DSG is for those that can't drive stick. It loses the fun factor as well. Why would you compare DSG to manual. if the RS had a DSG the result would be the same, it would win.

[@chris_b44]

Ranking a hot hatch only by its level of fun is what’s killing the hot hatch segment. A hot hatch is meant to be the jack of all trades and by ranking them only by fun you miss out on the useful information that the people who buy these cars actually care about... if I wanted to spend 50k and “fun” was my only priority I would just keep my supercharged BRZ...

[@MrRonan3]

Why did"nt you take a couple of spark plug leads off the golf R as well and make it a 2 cylinder.the DSG on the golf is its secret weapon. no one buys a golf R manual,

[@LoveGod16]

Why is everyone saying you can't live with the RS everyday? That's just stupid. I've had 2 months with my RS and I live in Eastern Europe. It's a perfectly good car for everyday use, you have all the luxuries you would need. I don't know how it is with the optional bucket seats, but with the standard ones, it is superb and comfy.

[@zooks3894]

Finally! .......a car reviewer that doesn't pander to the VW PR machine. A refreshing review.Well done! 👍

[@bmanfitz]

I drove all 3 before I bought my RS...quite frankly Honda not owning up to the transmission issues prevented me from buying it, golf R was just too boring...the dealership already replaced the HG on the one I purchased and it's been romping like a champ every single day lololol

[@vladc22]

Golf R Dsg no doubts !!!! - 0-100 (4,6sec)

[@tarastabachnyuk2686]

should of used the golf with the dsg.

[@Sykesee]

What about all the other stuff? Wireless phone charging, lane assist, adaptive cruise control, climate control, refridgerated glove box etc.... do they all come with those things?

[@inspirice9844]

Golf R comes with the most luxury features.

[@EdisonLaw9811]

I can't believe he said Golf R has the best interior out of these 3...

[@JeanV1986]

While I'm not a fan of the new Civic looks, I'd take that over the other two any day of the week.

[@deebee68]

Golf R with a stick is a waste... the cars down on power to both... a Golf R with a DSG destroys both cars...

[@randomvideos21015]

well if you buy an rs just purchase an extra engine so you can swap it when you bread down the road

[@rubberrocket7620]

182Kgs difference between CTR and Focus.. wow.. thats a lot. no wonder the power difference doesnt help.

[@OfficialSpaceHippo]

Focus RS 20K miles of fun before the engine hydro-locks, LOL! That Ford reliability, gotta love it!

[@dommelville8613]

No A45, Rs3 or 140i ? The A45 is faster round a track than the Focus Rs and all 3 are way faster in a straight line.

[@coopsnz1]

More than $70000 in Australia because of luxury car tax 33% , why they weren't picked

[@bigozimak]

It's amazing how much slower the Golf R is without it's DSG. TBH even in R form the Golf looks ordinary. The Civic Type R is anything but ordinary but I think it looks Hideous and I'm a bit sceptical of powerful FWD cars. So I reckon the Focus RS wins, it looks great, goes great and it packs 1or 2 interesting features.

[@azzurasquadra5552]

You know cars my friend

[@pduk6917]

Just bought Type R AWSOME CAR

[@radoncguy]

The electric handbrake in the non-RS cars doesn’t bother anyone?

[@VxO4fame]

Inb4 headgasket

[@coupe6339]

in this battle the real wineer is the i30 n

[@hotmr34]

Its bcause ur shifting skills

[@primer_rs]

Yeah it's getting pretty old now every review using a manual Golf R... Use whats best for the car and the DSG is by far the best option for it. Use that for more fair reviews.

[@kaasha77]

golf R DSG by far the choice in hot hatch

[@desmondling1707]

Bring in the DSG gearbox instead of manual. 😐

[@loonyhap8043]

thypeR murder this two car's..the best hot hatch.

[@tbuksuperfly]

Start of video talks about not just wanting a car for the track but something you can live with every day, then picks the most uncomfortable, less refined of the 3. That's not to say the RS is bad by any stretch but seemed an odd conclusion given the initial parameters.

[@RJL1000]

Apologies - perhaps the parameters could've been clearer. At the start of the video I give pros and cons of the cars (and mention the RS as being perhaps not as the easiest to live with) as a way of setting up each one and explaining their positioning, not necessarily to talk about what we're testing. What we wanted to find out is, essentially, which car is the most fun. That's why the conclusion says, "In the battle for ultimate hot hatch excitement..." - that was our yardstick. Yes, the Civic Type R has set a Nurburgring lap record, but I say it needs to be the most engaging car on the road because that's the real world scenario most people will get their thrills from each of these most of the time.

[@rockOdaddy]

I ordered the R 7.5 . Ford and Honda just look to childish to me. If I had to pick from the two I would take the type R because it kills with driving and track performance.

[@StEvEn420BrUlE]

Yeah but the RS is bound to blow it's head gasket at some point

[@rjung_ch]

R-04698, nice!

[@davidniyi2483]

A shame they didn't use the 2017 mk7 DSG in the drag race would of done 0-100 in 4.7sec and a quarter in just under 13.2sec its just to much for the others to compete I'd say

[@coopsnz1]

girls car

[@mperez161]

It was supposed to be a comparison. VW makes a manual for a reason. This is the perfect car for this comparison. The DSG if a video gamers car. boring.

[@TheVeljam]

DSG will never be for the purist in any way. Ever.

[@saauuzza]

The Golf R DSG will be the quickest only because it would have launch control and fast shifting gears. The price would be higher too that is why this reviewer uses manual Golf. Modern auto will always be faster than manual.

[@MattVLRocks]

I think its such a cop out to say straight up that the DSG is a 'girls car' or 'not as fun or pure' without any proper reason... Every person is different and likes different things, and I think that diversity should be encouraged, it inspires new ideas and creates strong car culture... I don't find my DSG Golf R any less engaging than all the manuals I have owned before it, but it does trigger a different thrill. Manuals are raw, and require more effort, though the DSG is so fast and allows you to focus on things like perfecting your cornering and pushing the car that little bit closer to its limit, it is one of the most addictive and enjoyable things! And I can't go without mentioning the symphony of sounds from up shifts and down shifts through the DSG! All 3 of these cars are fantastic and everyone will prefer something different, which makes the car community so great! The fake enthusiasts to me are the narrow minded ones that only like 1 brand or type of car and put down everything else

[@dheeradjlachman9658]

3 top cars brands!

[@Herbotis]

Type R is 20 years too late. The price bracket lends itself to folks in their early-mid career who were into fast cars of the 90s. Being in that bracket, we don’t want a rice rocket. We want German comfort and engineering.

[@kimiroihanz9924]

manual on Volkswagen just make the R Line Perfomance suck , DSG Is the only best choice

[@pantloaded]

focus rs is awesome for 10k miles and then it explodes

[@mperez161]

The same goes for all cars, the Civic type R with their rumored bad transmission issues and the Golf with bad electronics. All three cars will explode at some point since they're maxed out 4 bangers. pick your choice

[@STEVEBHPDEVON]

All new car have issues so if you read up about other cars they get bad press aswell, for the amount of focus rs's that are sold the early engine problems will be minimum, I like all the 3 hatches :-)

[@waterloo123100]

Eddie Kuhn Your never gonna get the reliability of 80s and 90s car's with this complication.

[@AP-lh1bq]

Damn my RS is 10K miles overdue for its explosion. I'll have to call Ford about this...

[@STEVEBHPDEVON]

Anthony P I rang Ford and they read me a statement that Ford are doing everything to get this problem sorted, if the engine is replaced it is a revised engine with problem solved my is a 2016 June model and no problems so far but if I get a problem then it will be sorted with a new engine, cheers Steve :-)

[@inspirice9844]

The JAG comparison - Japanese, American and German :v

[@jaylocke9574]

Is it possible to love machinery? I think I'm actually in love with the RS. I also know it's not right to have these feelings. I'm going to buy one.. I hope I don't fuck it, but I guess if I paid, I can do as I please..

[@ebutuoy8272]

6:58 =O

[@donthanh2023]

Type r all day for everyday fun. Why pay more for repairs when you dont need to

[@reonbarrett5546]

Who drag races but young people who can't afford these cars

[@jaydizzay]

"over the last 20 years"...Type R has only been a thing for 25 years. Are you saying the likes of the FD2/JDM EP3 and DC5 are soft and diluting..?

[@RJL1000]

The Type R brand has been diluted slowly, mostly because Honda hasn't had the money to spend on niche models like it used to. Obviously the NSX started Type-R on a high note, and the early CTRs - EK9 and EP3 - were truly great, but each generation since has used a cost-cutting torsion beam rear suspension, rather than an independent setup like the originators, and that's a backwards step. The new CTR is the first to feature a more sophisticated IRS setup, and it's better as a result. Not sure I agree about the DC5. It didn't move the game on significantly from the outstanding DC2 before it. The DC5 is another successor to something great that remains overshadowed by the original. And then what happened after that? Honda was broke after the GFC and the Integra was watered down to nothing at all. Should we talk about the Accord Type-R...?

[@jaydizzay]

Sure. I'd argue the second generation Euro R was more hardcore than the first. Fair point on the DC5, it wasn't as hardcore as the DC2 but to call it soft is a gross overstatement in my eyes. Are you from the US, where they only got a softer non-type r dc5? Because, if you are, i suppose I'd agree. I'm from the UK and only really know what was available here, plus the JDM imports, and I'd stand by the statement that to call later Type Rs soft is daft.

[@RJL1000]

I'm from Australia (that's me hosting the video), and we've had a mixed bag of Type Rs over the years. The first two generations of the Civic Type R weren't officially distributed at all. I don't say diluted to mean soft, I mean compromised, or lacking the concentrated purity of the original trendsetters. The first Type-Rs were built with no holds barred. Honda did what it took to make sure the fundamental engineering of each platform was as unspoiled as it could. But the later generations were degraded for cost reasons, Honda had to hold station financially, and that was a shame. The 10th-gen Civic (and this fifth-gen CTR) represent the first examples to arrive since Honda got back on its feet and started investing money in the core fundamentals again, and that's why it's exciting. I appreciate your considered comments on this video. KZbin doesn't always deliver that. I hope I'm making some sense with my replies!

[@ferfire9]

The Golf R is ahead of the others in build quality, the interior is much more refined and sound insulation miles ahead. Feels like a premium car, its probably the least exciting car to drive fast though and the most boring to look at. Some people look for cars like these so it has a market for sure. The Civic in my opinion is the best hot hatch of the 3, because its made to be a driver car like no other, i m not a fan of the looks but it has been growing on me over the time. Its on pair with the Focus on a roll, probably even faster, it has the best dynamic of the 3, the best chassis tunning, its the perfect track weapon so in my opinion its the best one. The Focus is really good looking but thats it. It sounds bad and weights too much, handles like a pig on a track, and do not forget the big problem with them , the engines dont last more than 15 k miles, so beware.

[@4litrespoolyboi206]

I want a Focus RS so badly!!!

[@DR4WZ]

The Boost Cave get one! Got mine in September this year and have not missed a single opportunity to drive it every day. The way it pulls just amazes me every time I drive it. I have the 2017 model and agree with everything this review mentions EXCEPT the ride height. Mine sits very low and I think it may be because of the type of Recaro seats I got with mine (I have the combination leather / cloth option).

[@RSFocus435]

Love Mine

[@REDEEL16]

RS Focus 435 love mine too

[@XenomorphLV426]

Headgaskets

[@mperez161]

not all of us have headgasket issues. don't hate.

[@HuevoDuro702]

Fuck this video is mirrored!!

[@MarcraM82]

Focus RS - Weak Engine design prone to failure. Stupid to buy these now, hence why FORD have killed the engine at those boost levels. Golf R - Great allround car, but lacks rawness and enough engagement even in the manual 6 speed. Civic Type R - Best choice. Fun to drive and engaging. FYI i currently own a Golf R and have driven all of these. Civic Type R is the best.

[@raulgarcia3219]

This video makes the golf r look like a joke. Which is far from the case. Get the dsg (if not, a better driver for the golf) cause that's the most underrated hatch. Golf R for the win.

[@azzurasquadra5552]

Dsg or not..golf R will be always last of the 3...its a neverending battle between type r and rs

[@raulmonderojr6965]

Ford focus for me

[@robertl8069]

Golf R with DSG or nothing. Come on Wheels Australia you guys have the resources, time and money to do one more do-over. But on a Golf R With DSG. The results will shock you. Plus you'll get a bunch of likes and that is money for you guys.

[@J50037]

no dsg for golf r? what a joke

[@JBOsurf]

The guy that runs the Ford performance / RS road car division is a tiny little shortarse. That's why the driving position is so high in the Focus ST, Focus RS, and Fiesta ST. I saw him in the development videos for the RS. Wee little man. He also has no idea how to tune suspension. The Fiesta ST (that I have) and the Focus RS both have very poor matching between spring rates and dampers. The ride in both is unacceptable. Thankfully there is a company out there called Mountune. I have their springs installed on my ST and it they have transformed the ride into something that is actually liveable. Ford performance does many things well, but their suspension tuning is garbage.

[@RJL1000]

Interesting! That may be true, but the explanation I've been given (and believe) by Ford is that lowering the fixed-height Recaros would mean resubmitting the RS for individual homologation, as a hip-point change effectively alters the crash structure of the car. Imagine how the driver's location changes relative to the pillars, dash, bulkhead, etc. The Focus gets crash tested as a range with a median seat height, that means in cars with height adjustable seat bases it's not so bad, but for the RS with fixed seats, dropping them down would require re-engineering and independent crash testing, and that's just too expensive for a niche, value-driven performance variant. Aftermarket solutions exist for people who can't live with it.

[@JBOsurf]

Thanks I had no idea about this and it effectively explains the issue with the RS seating position (pardon the pun!) meaning the seats are not height adjustable at all. However, for my ST, it has adjustable height Recaros. The problem is that the lowest position isn't low enough. If other manufacturers can get this right, why not Ford?

[@germaineio]

Was hoping you guys compared the DSG Golf R! I still think it's the best all rounder

[@coopsnz1]

still gay

[@RedPanda555]

It’s such a boring looking car though. Doesn’t even look like a sports car. Hopefully something VW can fix in future

[@germaineio]

RexSpec555 totally agreed. Especially for car people it seems so understated. Funny enough though I've had a lot of people say it looks fast and racy - generally cos it's a little lower, plus the four exhaust tips look aggressive af

[@eppyz]

RexSpec555 that stealth look though appeals to many folks. Plus get the R with a DSG and it will beat most cars in it's class not only in speed but over all practicality. If your 20 yrs old you may not care about practicality but if your married and have 2 kids and only can have one of these 3 cars? The R will be your choice here. Then if you want to upgrade with a tune OMG these R's are super fast.

[@RJL1000]

That's understandable, GERMAINE, as most people will buy the R with a DSG, but in that guise it's not really a Focus RS or CTR competitor as the other two are only available with six-speed manuals, and the Golf becomes quite a bit more expensive with the auto. We wanted to keep things as even as possible in terms of pricing and spec.

[@robertyates6913]

You sure you're not driving the 2016 RS press car still? Because the 2017 car has a lower driving position.

[@RJL1000]

It's definitely a current RS, distinguishable by the updated Sync 3 infotainment system, but the seating position felt identical to before.

[@pkokkoris]

Where is the A45 AMG???

[@disinferno06]

Ludicrous. The type-r has an interior quality and sophistication that rivals the Golf-R??? It doesn't even have leather seats! Vs a car that is literally an Audi (not that that is some big deal, just referring to their quality/refinement)

[@Dokepredator]

No one buy a Golf R without DSG, and with it, it's much more fun and smokes the other two cars in performance. The Golf R is completly build to work with the DSG and it does great.

[@AlvaroArturoNunez]

After having several fords in the family... DONT BUY A FORD!!!!!!! >:(

[@arno7303]

you have several, you'll buy another LOL

[@tjprovo24]

The Type R looks as if it’s designer got frustrated trying to come up with its design while drawing on paper, so he crumbled up the paper, threw it on the ground, then looked at the crumbled up piece of paper, and was like, “by golly, I think I just found the new design of the Type R!” Lol 😂😂😂

[@poolplexer]

Lololol..... No

[@Rs0061]

Ford ❤

[@litespeed65]

I just picked up a 2018 Golf R and find it does everything so well-amazing. I've liked Honda for years and hoped they could design a decent looking Civic but they keep getting uglier.

[@geovannivarela6932]

Decent review but I couldn’t help feel that it was somewhat of a middle finger to VW. I’ve driven two out of the three vehicles here and have been a passenger in the civic type-r. With that said the VW is by far the best choice out of the three. #GrownFolksHatchback

[@afrank3029]

Geovanni Varela Driven all of them , the Golf feels so not special..., less exciting than a Skoda Octavia RS ( driven it as well ! ) Cant understand the hype around it !

[@SIRICKO]

Civic is in a league of its own. The other 2 can’t even compete and damn that focus ugly.

[@XenomorphLV426]

Civic is the slowest. Running 14s at cost of $40k.

[@tonychau1983]

the civic is pretty ugly too.

[@gtegarage2546]

XenomorphLV426 for FWD. If it had AWD (which it shouldn’t), it would wipe the floor.

[@DevasionX]

XenomorphLV426 you dont only pay for straight line acceleration dummy....

[@Studat]

You made the VW look slow which it is not...

[@RJL1000]

That certainly wasn't our intention. The Golf R is a seriously fast car, but in this company it is the least powerful and the slowest.

[@SIRICKO]

Studat that shit slow get over it

[@Studat]

SI RICKO get over what? I don't have one

[@mrspencer72]

Studat actually he made it look quicker than all the other comparisons I've seen. But he said it's a great car, just doesn't have that charm. It's too subtle..

[@Studat]

mrspencer72 agreed 100%

[@donduhorche9515]

everybody knows that honda reliability is the best, ford will explode after 10k, ford reliability sucks , the golf is done , honda wins

[@MultiKalwin]

So basically: Golf if you want a plush, safe, mild mannered ride. Type R if you want flashy, perfect driven race lines, ricer. RS is you drive like a loon as you slide around every corner and smoke people off the line. Easy choice for me.

[@TheVeljam]

Type R looks ridiculous.. to the point of being embarrassing.

[@we-put-the-p-in-pool]

JVVoid I could say the same thing about your tie

[@emersonherrera4939]

😒😔

[@fswing9591]

Only the CTR FK2 can get neck and neck with the Ford RS

[@markc9274]

Fswing 95 The CTR FK2 is the most underrated and underestimated hot hatch of recent times it’s the Type R to have and plenty are starting to realise that since it finished production earlier this year.

[@fswing9591]

Mark C, I can't agree with you more. This review from TopGear says everything about the FK2 www.topgear.com/car-news/hot-hatch/why-well-miss-honda-civic-type-r#1

[@abaj006]

Ford is fun, until the engine block cracks!

[@Dulphine007]

The Honda type R. Is designed like a Christmas tree. What the hell is going on. If you see these things in the streets, it's like parts are going to fall of. It's for kids.

[@shahkalamfahad2481]

Ford is for kids Volkswagen is for mens and type is for legend 😆😆😗

[@BioMajuss]

Man it's japanese flair through and through. If you're not into this kind of eccentric design it's not made for you :D but out there are enough japano fanboys who like the design.

[@RedPanda555]

So basically the Golf R is not very exciting to drive nor to look at... yawn lol

[@raidan3123]

If you still need a slutty mistress when you have a sexy wife I guess the wife isn't quite that "exciting" huh? =)

[@iluvcakes19]

RexSpec555 technically a good car, but to me boring in so aspects... double yawn

[@superduperskaterr142]

Golf r ftw!!!!!!