2017 Toyota 86 First Drive Review: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know

[@CARBONHAWK1]

How to sell cars in 2016: Slap LEDs on it

[@Cobb]

I think it was dumb that they ever put halogens on the FRS should have been LED or Xenon from the start like the subaru had.

[@fatboy19831]

Price point was too high back in 2008 when the car was being developed. Even in 2012 LEDs were very expensive and not as effective as HIDs. Now LEDs are much cheaper and more effective.

[@Cobb]

Maybe, but it was jointly developed with Subaru, and unless their contract stated they couldn't use the xenon in the FRS, they had already floated the development cost for the vehicle to have xenon headlights, and the subaru had that and gps over the FRS for only a few grand more.

[@fatboy19831]

Cobb Yes it was in the contract that Toyota could not install HIDs or navigation. Toyota got around that with the type 10 FRS.

[@Cobb]

Ah that makes more sense.

[@Mameyaro]

Man you guys be hating on the lack of power. It's not focused on power - it's focused on handling. It's meant to take corners fast, and if you can't take corners fast you will lose a race every time, regardless of how much engine power your car has.

[@farmerfloyd1]

Let me show you with a 2002 Honda S-2000 that has 242 hp 17 years ago. Blow the doors off this slow pig and I will pass you in the corner going 10 mph faster. Now I have same drivetrain in a 1972 510 Datsun that weighs 2000 lb and runs circles around the Honda S-2000. We have a road race at the Rally on Sat in Starkey Fl with the Datsun and there will be a Toyota 86 there... o Boy!!!! I love the Toyota 2000 PU much better then the BIG new ones with no HP. Try again Supra using a Bimmer engine, what next??

[@bruh1077]

It’s also great on gas, and looks nice. Which are the highest selling points for me. I’ll wait until I’m 25+ to buy a 500+ Hp car, until then my insurance will kill me, gas will kill me aswell.

[@TheAravindtop]

I'm glad that Toyota refuses to put a turbo in it. Cause this car, like the AE86, is focused and handling and vehicle dynamics, not 0-60 times.

[@phgamer4393]

yea but cars are getting better and if you willing to spend more like the camaro ss you will get both. I understand though from a very base perspective this is a good car but cars are getting better and i think some people are willing to pay a little more for some more basic niceties/performance.

[@TheAravindtop]

PHGamer If they were willing to spend more money, than that's great, get the car you want that has more torque, hp, and low 0-60 times. However, if you complain about this car not having a turbo, you don't deserve to own one. It's meant to be a car you can enjoy in the corners. Plus, this is one of the last few cars you can easily modify, so you can add a turbo to it if you really want to.

[@bboymonk3y]

Thank you! People who complain about the power only cares about going in a straight line lol! Because this car is meant to be drift car. Want a car that goes fast in a straight line? Don't buy this car, plain and simple. Handling>Power. This is why Mustangs hit crowds.

[@fatboy19831]

I think Toyota and Subaru are staying in there lane. A turbo BRZ would not be able to compete performance wise or comfort wise with the BMW2 or Even the Mustang GT. Adding a turbo would SLOW response and add at lest 300 pounds of mass. Don't tell me a turbo weighs 10 pounds. Everything must be upgraded and strengthened. Most of all the cooling system and the brakes. I would not by a 34k Turbo BRZ. Would you?

[@phatnum17]

300 pounds? wtf what turbo system are you thinking of? at most 75-100 pounds of weight would be added with the turbo, intercooler, oil lines and needed charge pipes..

[@jeffk464]

If they had put a turbo on it, it would have sold like crazy.

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Nope.

[@dAbaPEsTA123]

Jeff K not reliable with the boxer

[@bertito43]

dAbaPEsTA123 are you crazy? The wrx is a very realizable car. And it has the turbo boxer

[@slllll1712]

you have very low standards for reliability.

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

not reliable, lots of carbon build up

[@TM-ye2su]

Wow wow wow all the comments.... I can't even.....there is a thing called power to ratio....and 205 hp from a 2 litre na engine, not exactly that crap.. what it lacks is torque and that's what made the car 'feel' less powerful, but it's in no sense a slow car, I mean change its rubbers u can get from 0-100kph around 7 sec, manual of course. Getting smoked by minivans? Come on guys.... How many of you have ever driven around a track??? and why is a mx5(miata) a faster car while this remains a slow piece of shit?? I mean I expect Americans to wine about horsepower but I didn't expect all the comments to be like that....

[@TM-ye2su]

*power to weight ratio

[@orlandob9958]

Someone who actually gets it !

[@nhilal94]

At 1:18 "a new fender mounted vent that helps in body roll"!! hahahaaha ok yeah sure. LMAO

[@unresolved777]

nhilal94 Don't dismiss it, look closely at it, it does have a slight "wing like" projection from the body between the black faux vents. Toyota has said the new black plastic canards on the side of the front bumper increase grip, & new grill opening has also reduced lift. Likewise as the guy says, the rear diffuser is also functional. The car as a whole was designed like this, from hood line, to roof bubbles, so I wouldn't dismiss it easily, maybe slightly functional, but still functionality.

[@nhilal94]

***** IKR, seems legit! LMAO

[@Aulepp324]

lmao exactly my thoughts

[@djmalarky]

Not to mention the increased horsepower from 200 to 205 😂😂😂😂 biting my lip.

[@claudedottin1312]

Kelly Austin you won the comment of the day ahahaha

[@TheDustyaman]

5 hp... really innovative toyota.

[@INUMIMI28]

TheDustyaman Toyota said "first, those tough talking panties handle the 205ps properly, then we'll listen"

[@vincefernandez9459]

+INUMIMI28 Replace those Prius tires, then WE'LL listen.

[@elijahbutterfield4869]

this is why they don't make motorcycles

[@jameslovett8697]

ahahahahaha

[@fatboy19831]

You can buy tires the day you take the car home. A set of High performance summer rubber can be had for $500. With high performance rubber on the twins the mileage would go down along with tread ware. The price would go up. Better they put cheap tires on so Lexus would not be embarrassed. Get excellent real world mileage. I get 29 mpg overall. Let the folks that want the car get it at a cheaper price. Most folks if they touch the tires are going to put larger rims on anyway. NO EXCUSE for the Limited not having better rubber. Not even offering it as an option. The sad part is with better rubber the 86 could most likely outrun and out handle the MX5.

[@tinleo333]

so a camry v6 is faster and cheaper okey

[@1001speedster]

But this car is more fun, to compare it to the Camry is just funny. The Camry is nothing but a piece of shit. This car has a lovely balanced feel and is more of a driver's car compared to the Camry.

[@skipper5951]

+1001speedster On open, twisty roads, yes. In 90% of driving, I'd actually prefer the extra power of the Camry. That's how underpowered the 86 is. There's no doubt the 86 is a brilliant handling car, but that doesn't mean the it isn't a disappointment. The engine completely lets it down.

[@1001speedster]

Skipper Want power? Tune it up yourself. The 86 has a pretty good engine that has various mods available, and that's the whole point of the 86, it's meant to be driven on twisty roads just like the amazing MX-5.

[@skipper5951]

1001speedster There are plenty of cars I can modify that aren't overpriced. Besides that, why would I modify a new car with a warranty and at the top of it's depreciation hill? Most people don't. If I'm going to rip everything out and build it the way I want, it's going to be on something cheap and nearly junk. There's a reason why these cars are selling so slowly and it is because they're a terrible value.

[@1001speedster]

Skipper Well you're looking at the wrong car. This car is a drivers car for twisty roads FULL STOP. Want something with a bit more power, get a used E46 M3.

[@livedeliciously]

If only Toyota listened to the enthusiasts...

[@charles125]

At least its not what Honda is doing. Making a 300hp hatchback and refusing to make it AWD

[@ridhoammarharahap5540]

yeah, the stupidest step I've ever known. well, no wonder. It's honda anyway.

[@tuopinionno]

auuuch

[@Sunofmungo]

they don't want to shoot people away from the wrx and sti's. you can't give it 300+ and expect people to our for the wrx or sti. it would hurt sales.

[@charles125]

non'ya biz I don't know, the WRX is still a sedan with AWD, it would still have it's appeal dont you think? Even still they could boost it to 250hp

[@21lprice]

What I want to know is, how do fender vents help with body roll??

[@thaik56]

I thought I misheard it but no lol haha.

[@seeingeyegod]

seriously what?

[@ChristianLopez-lm9zn]

It needs more power 😥 250-300hp would be perfect

[@ChristianLopez-lm9zn]

And a turbo 😍

[@lookmomnobrakes9549]

The 86/FRS/BRZ family is made to be modded and the manufacturers know this, so power is low because they want it to be the buyer's canvas

[@ChristianLopez-lm9zn]

lookmom nobrakes nah it should have 250-300 hp stock

[@mkvmyfast]

These cars don't take mods well. Maybe some minor bolt on's but that's it.

[@patrickthornton5470]

+lookmom nobrakes thats not really true bro

[@wenger828]

hey i was there for the filming of this! -asian guy on the rental fz-09

[@ralphnortham1314]

Only if they fit it with a 6 cylinder turbo

[@thefleas]

6 cylinder turbo? Cool bro

[@Sunofmungo]

6 cylinder to heavy, 4 cylinder supercharged (even tho I'm a turbo fanboi) 300whp and the cars done.

[@adamhamilton-smith578]

they should just put wrx running gear in it. they would be the best selling car of the decade. hey but what the customer know right....

[@RobRobertRobbie]

Supercharging would make the most sense with the current config.

[@grandadduane]

it will crap the mpg like it would be like 14 mpg or less and today that won't be a thing and itsuki had that idea so i want to stay away from that.

[@nikb6528]

I don`t want to sound rude, but you drive so badly it makes me nervous just watching the video.

[@tegg02]

Agree terrible engine rev management, with terrible choices for gear shifts. Does this guy even know how to drive.

[@fatboy19831]

He can when he wants to.

[@dumyjobby]

yes he does, remember he drives an automatic and it's not his fault if on downshifts the car is slow and by the looks a bit jerky. clearly this car wasnt designed with the automatic in mind

[@fatboy19831]

Dumy Jobby The Auto in the twins is excellent. They just do not have much torque to deal with. I drove the auto it is fun. The Auto is much slower than the already just adequate manual.

[@WEIMYBIMMER]

Needs a TURBO!!!

[@daveem4008]

WEIMY BIMMER a turbo will ruin the glory of this car

[@Ryukachoo]

engine pairs better with a supercharger, really. You keep the linear power band that way too

[@Manystylze]

The car does need a 2nd power option else it will go the way of the Dart. The Dart was severely underpowered. And though this is more of a driver's car, unless it can catch up with the Miata (i.e. lose weight or add more power to counter the 500 or so pounds over the Miata) it will struggle to pull in new buyers. College grads can't afford it with low paying jobs and high debt, thus the target market goes to the next bracket and few are interested. My buddy does autocross with an FRS and all he complains about is how the new Miata's are tearing up the track.

[@SI0AX]

Miatas eat up all cars in any track style racing event. They are like the overpowered weapon in FPS games that people call you a noob for using.

[@chriswebber6107]

If you need more power move to where there are more turns.

[@bsosmoove]

change the front bumper. it's makes the car ugly

[@SI0AX]

The 2017 BRZ looks better but I don't know if it had the same enhancements as the 86.

[@supernova4300]

I agree. previous iteration was a much better looking car. Plus where are the foglights?

[@Mogwai-user]

They are not shown in this model, but they are located on the middle row of the side "intakes." Also they are LED and rectangular instead of round.

[@mkvmyfast]

Oh wow, so many changes lmao, this is sad and pathetic!

[@patrickthornton5470]

Yea the toyota guy doesnt know shit

[@steppinupgaming1110]

+Patrick Thornton Called being a salesman

[@patrickthornton5470]

+Steppin up Gaming yea lol

[@cocolopz1]

The new front bumper makes the car look uglier than shit!

[@3rdWorldGamingHD]

Totally agree, that new front fascia is hideous

[@nicholassuryathyo1297]

agreed

[@zoomingpoop]

The Toyota 86 isn't for drifting? I think Keiichi Tsuchiya would disagree. lol

[@TheSkrillexRemix]

That front bumper is hideous

[@MrBigisBack87]

Significant changes, yeah right!! A red intake manifold, gotta buy it now, not.

[@theshonen8899]

Toyota continues the trend of making the most hideous grills in human existence.

[@bradmotors3826]

theshonen8899 that is true look at the Prius new 2017 Corolla, Camry

[@SI0AX]

I think it happens to all car makers. They make a good looking grill one year, then the next, they screw it up.

[@chappie_b5389]

SI0AX Subaru is notorious for that haha still love em though

[@bricemilleson]

Once again, production quality is poor...content isn't always king, come on guys...you can do better

[@nikb6528]

It`s abysmal to be more precise.

[@Ezero8]

My god, that new front bumper looks hideous! Toyota continues to have the worst car designs. The BRZ looks so much better on the outside and the inside. Personally, I'd rather get a S2K or MX-5.

[@dominicancheif117]

I like it, it would make a great first car for an enthusiast

[@skunkhollow1]

1:17..... I am sorry... Did he just say the fucking fake fender vent "helps with bodyroll and control of the vehicle"? I cannot take anything this guy says seriously after hearing that..... God damn....

[@dame5014]

Lol fender vent, I was like... "🤔 please tell me how in the hell that's possible? "

[@MattPrego]

hahaha these "product trainers" are great. "less pumping losses from our fuel pump" he has no idea what he's talking about.

[@Orical001]

Your face has no idea!

[@tylerelkins6868]

the fender vents help control body roll! amazing!

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Really makes me a respect an automaker when they have a real engineer speak in front of the camera at product launches. And just the opposite when that's not the case.

[@dAbaPEsTA123]

Probably just a salesman at your local Toyota dealership.

[@MattPrego]

If a sales person doesn't know something, the LAST thing they should do is lie to your face. The best response is to say "I don't know but Let me check on that for you" or in this guy's case he could have just stopped at "we reduced pumping losses."

[@rmonified]

Channel is called "Fast Lane Car" but they review the FRS

[@jguillermoii]

Save your money and get the new Miata.

[@Toyota4Life]

The Miata is useless in comparison to this

[@jguillermoii]

Toyota4Life Useless? Do you own a Miata? Have you driven one?

[@bradmotors3826]

Da Epicenter yes go save your money so you can get a Miata the most fun car in the world

[@samaysahoo3494]

Da Epicenter yeah, but it's a bit a more expensive.. however if you can afford, go for the miata

[@ShuffleToExpresss]

The new miata absolutely feels faster (and I believe is faster on a straight by . 1 second) than the current frs/BRZ, probably because of how lightweight it is. Miata interior is also beautiful and that sound system? Great stuff.

[@paintballguru13]

5hp increase... what a joke this thing should be making no less then 240hp S2000 did it 16 years ago

[@jeffk464]

knock a digit off of weight, this is what HP should be for sports cars. So a great HP rating would be around 280.

[@ErwinSchrodinger64]

I have an RSX-S. I've been contemplating about getting a new car. The 86 seemed liked the best car to replace my RSX-S with it size plus all the bonuses like it's RWD, handling, and newer technology. Well, as soon as I sat down in one, while it drove a little better than my RSX-S (with Tein coilovers), the interior was so sub par I couldn't justify purchasing the car. My RSX-S interior, which is 10 years old still looks light years better, especially in the quality of the materials. I know interiors are only a segment of the car, it's this bad. So, now I'm looking a V-6 Accord coupe with a manual: it's faster, handles decently well, a nice two tiered interior, and a lot more amenities and superior build quality. Add to the fact it's only 4,000$ more I just can't justify the 86 for that price.

[@fatboy19831]

You will miss engine also. Both cars weigh about the same and have the exact same wheel hp. The RSX -s pulls far harder after 6000 rpm. The twins have better power below 6000 rpm. The fact that the twins handle far better, have killer seats and have a better driving position makes up for the crappy interior. You are right in the fact that all the BRZ and 86 are is a RWD Integra.

[@ErwinSchrodinger64]

fatboy19831 You're right and it's something I should of mentioned as well is the seating position in the 86. It's low with a nice view of the road. One of the 1st things I noticed. Matter of fact, it's so good if I decide to keep my RSX-S, I will probably buy aftermarket seats. Something is just telling the next generation 86 is going to be that much better, maybe even revolutionary. I take it you owned both cars? If so, which do you prefer overall?

[@fatboy19831]

1czelaya I was down to the RSX vs the Celica back in 2000. I went with the Celica. I was picking between the base cars not the GTS and the S. The S is a better car than the GTS but I liked the base Celica better than the base RSX. The ride ,driving position and handling was better. The Celica also weighed over 200 pounds less. Not as solid a car but I got 300,000 miles out of mine. The RSX had a ton of room on the inside the cabin was quiet compared to the new BRZ or the Celica, The S has one of the best 4 cylinders ever made. Stock the handling is not as good as even the Integra before it. Having said all that if I were in your place I would keep the RSX. Keep it as close to stock as possible. I do not think there will ever be another affordable engine like that ever agin. The Twins are wonderful. Toyota and Subaru built the engine on a computer to get certain specifications. The engine has no hart. The RSX mill is a beauty designed by someone that loves all things mechanical.

[@Stingray_614]

I would definitely recommend the 6Speed Accords as you said. I purchased an Accord coupe recently but I chose the CVT tranny thinking I would give it a chance, I regret that decision. It gets great gas mpg but its so boring to drive

[@fatboy19831]

***** The New Civic has a turbo. No more high rpm sweetness.

[@400Redsport]

Everyone talking shit on the 86 with mustangs and shit, no one brings up how much better just a used G or Z is than this piece of garbage? lol

[@ICARUS_I]

Stuff that Toyota/Lexus 2.0 Turbo engine in this. It's practically begging for it.

[@rodneyjones1990]

Throw the Lexus 5.0 in this. It's practically begging for it.

[@aryajonathan3733]

to be honest we all know well miata answers everything BUT that hairdresser reputation. It kept haunting us men for fear of losing our manliness so we choose brz/86 instead for the sake of upholding our dignity... depressed bcos enjoying a miata comes with a drawback is loosely termed as MOPAR (Miata Owning PARadox disordeR)... dont be shy... its totally normal... all we have to do is admit that...

[@fatboy19831]

The Fiat 124 is more manly. It is also bigger and slower than the MX5.

[@MultiHeavyD]

fatboy19831 😂😂😂😂 L

[@santosrios66]

MultiHeavyD 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@matt2m]

Get over that its such a good car to drive I am going to trade in mt bmw 128i for one i love it it drives way better than the 86. Real men dont feel like their sexuality is questioned by a car a pink shirt ect.

[@fatboy19831]

lonewolf5460 I owned both the 2013 BMW 128i and the 2013 BRZ. The 128 is smother , more solid, has a far sweeter engine and one of the few cars that has better steering. The 128i drives better 90 % of the time. When you max out the BRZ it is a dream. Push the BRZ hard and it has much better reflexes and feel. The BRZ is a better 2nd car. If you can only have 1 car the 128i is better.

[@DirtJumperMogo]

Everyone is talking shit about the changes. The drive-train ones weren't significant, but the stiffer chassis is the biggest and most important change here.

[@redhorse7458]

It's still an overpriced, under powered torqueless wonder that has an average price tag of 28 to 30 grand and for less money this car can be easily outmatched by a 4 or 6 cylinder powered Mustang or Camaro. Even the previous gen V6 Mustang with a live axle rear end turned in a better road course time. Toyota has never been able to figure out how to compete on the American sports coupe market because they always want too much money for how much car you get in return and this car is no exception. Before Scion folded up tents the FR-S was doing good to sell 1000 FR-S a month. At 20 to 23 grand this car is perfect. At 27 to 32 grand it's an utter ripoff and that's right where they have it priced. Not to mention that the Subaru boxer engine in this car is known for oil consumption and the Subaru boxer engines in general have a tendency to blow head gaskets around 100K miles or so. I'm sure it's fun to drive, but in my opinion I wouldn't waste my money at this price range. All the badge changing and nifty wheels in the world are not going to fix what is really wrong with this car.

[@fatboy19831]

I paid 26k for mine back in 2012. With standard navigation, hids and limited slip. Back then you could get the Mustang 6 with the track pack for about the same price. That Mustang was much faster than the BRZ. Now the Mustang gained 6 gained 200 pounds and the track pack is no longer available. It may hang with the twins for one lap but it is no longer faster. The Base price in the 2017 BRZ is 25.5 k. How in the hell is that a rip off? What other RWD car can you get with LED headlights , limited slip, navigation, killer seats, not to mention a 2700 pound curb weight for 26 grand? Subarus do not blow head gaskets any more that was back in the early 2000's. Even if the twins blew a head gasket every 100,000 miles they would not be the Pyle of crap the Pony cars are at about 80k. The Mustang 6 weighs 900 pounds more than the 86. At its base price of 25k it is a striped down marshmallow. You must pay almost 30 grand for the turbo 4. The Camaro is a far superior performance machine over the twins. Agin add any options and you are easily at 30k and up. You cant see out of the Camaro and it weighs 750 pounds more than the twins and has LESS room for the driver. You feel like you are sitting in a bath tub. At 26k the twins are your ONLY LIGHT WEIGHT RWD COUPE OPTION. The Pony cars are fantastic fun. The quality and long term reliability can not match Subaru or Toyota. It is not even close.

[@redhorse7458]

I'm glad you like your GT86 fatboy. It's still an overpriced under powered torqueless wonder. We could go back an forth all day about whether or not it's a better car than the Mustang or Camaro or not. It isn't. Subaru's still blow head gaskets and they still burn oil. They just recently settled a class action lawsuit for oil consumption and it wasn't 10 or 15 year old Subaru's. It was 2014 and 2015 models included. And I'm not trying to defend the reliability of the Mustang, it's shit, but it will easily out perform the GT86. I'm glad you like the killer seats, it's probably the only bright spot in the GT86 / FRS interior because the rest of it is ultra cheap and looks like it was designed by an 8th grader with an etch-a-sketch. You know it's bad when the Mustang interior is head and shoulders above your car lol.

[@fatboy19831]

Red Horse The Mustang has an excellent interior. Oil consumption is a problem with Subarus. At best 3% of the cars. 97% of us have zero oil consumption problems. 50% of Porsche owners have oil consumption problems. No No No No. The Mustang is not even close to as reliable as the Twins. The 2013 twins was the most unreliable cars. Every car after has been better and better. Even so The only Ford made today as reliable as the BRZ/FRS is the F150 truck. Everything else is crap reliability wise. The Mustang is worlds better than it use to be. It still looks like it was assembled by hamsters. There is a reason why you can buy a 12 second car for 32 grand. Every part is made to a price point. that price point is as cheap as possible. The Mustang GT is the best performance deal on the planet. Everything starts falling apart at the one year point. A Subaru at 200,000 miles is more solid than a Ford at 30,000 miles. Even the cars that blew their head gaskets.

[@E92Danny]

Red Horse just buy a 370

[@DannyC55]

fatboy19831 9

[@coureurdebois]

needs a quad turbo

[@3rdWorldGamingHD]

RIP engine.

[@coureurdebois]

3rdWG THEN ITS NEEDS AN OCTOTURBO

[@plinkynut]

got the boost boys ;)

[@kickyadick]

justin bouche they put a quad exhaust on this shit 2.0 long before even this 5hp bump. In fact I won't even call it a bump, 5hp difference can happen to the same car, different conditions... sigh.

[@coureurdebois]

u r uneducated stickers add 5hp and neon glow adds 10 hp... plus glowy headlights add 30 hp

[@Muziify]

the Toyota man isn't the best presenter

[@ZacMalone]

What an awesome car! Toyota can make really good cars.

[@monster1176]

TRD exhaust are so great. I had a TRD scion tc. loved that car with a passion. wish I never got rid of it

[@93mlo]

the car is still garbage, it's not the second coming of sports cars. I prefer mx5 or s2k

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Yet it attracted you to come watch! :)

[@austinstoddart9811]

I bought a 2013 Scion Frs automatic back in April and love the thing to death! The Automatic transmission is actually super fun.

[@bigmike8847]

Huh...looks like Matt Farrah lost some weight

[@ChristopherWalkenPUA]

too slow. needs turbo.

[@1001speedster]

Tune it yourself, this car is perfect the way it is, want a turboed 86? Do it yourself.

[@angelite143]

That's the problem. You'd ruin its glory, heritage and history. I'm not a purist but it's fine the way it is.

[@AoiGP]

no it does not need a turbo. where the hell you gonna go with a bolt on? it is meant to have fun and be practical.

[@mainscreen4939]

i have one, it does not need a turbo but an sc for sure. fun but too little torque

[@docadams2012]

Blazing fast 0-60. 7 seconds wow!!!! 205 hp!!!! and 174 foot pound torque. almost supercar class. I don't know what they are talking about in the Toyota 86 commercial. They are making it sound like the next GTR. They are delusional. a golf cart goes faster than this piece of shit. Another piece of junk for people who can't afford a real one.

[@Sunofmungo]

they could of at least threw in a supercharger with 300 whp

[@patrickthornton5470]

No

[@Sunofmungo]

you don't know know any better 300whp is the magic hp number everyone goes for

[@TKDWolf]

I've driven 60, 90, 120, 200, 300, 330, 430whp RWD cars in all different kinds of weights. This car with 200hp and an exhaust so you can hear what's going on should be plenty of fun. People just don't know how to drive.

[@Sunofmungo]

something about being able to be outrun by a Toyota camry just dosent sit well. I'm in a sports car and I'm a fair match for a Toyota corolla. It's not about how fast the car can go, it's more about how fast it can recover speed while still being controllable. 100mph in a honda civic is the same speed as 100mph in a bugatti. It has to be a balance of power, cornering, and braking. the BRZ/86 tend to favor more towards cornering and braking, leaving more to be desired. On twisties where high acceleration is not required it's great, but once you hit open road, you might as well get everyone's phone number, so you can tell them if there tail lights work.

[@patrickthornton5470]

+non'ya biz your point isn't valid. Ive own an 86 for 3 years and it is the greatest car I've ever driven, (driven a lot of cars). At no point have i ever thought to myself i wish it had more power. In the real world power doesn't matter when im really only willing to go 20mph over the limit. And it gets 35 to the gallon... And it was 26k which is unbeatable, unless you want a miata

[@Unfall_XO]

Guys it changed a whole 5 HORSEPOWER!!!! Honestly I was going to buy one but I want 240 at least common Toyota

[@deebee68]

I'll be interested at 280-300hp... otherwise it's just slow

[@aryajonathan3733]

GOOD NEWS! Toyota finally sell the thing it should originally came to US with... a few years late.. else it would sell like hotcakes... also spend money on turbo goodness instead of that useless rebadging paraphernalia

[@jerry7743]

Is that stock exhaust?

[@TFLcar]

+Gerardo 538 this car has a TRD exhaust system.

[@RidinONChrome]

I hate these cars so much now. They have turned into the new Civic. Fart cans, negative camber, stretched tires. And the finish it off, the owners think there driving Godzilla and can beat every car on the road. lol

[@pgoindi]

60% sold are automatic? What the hell is wrong with people? smh

[@ryansmith6275]

the Toyota 86 came before the BRZ or the FRS

[@rombierto]

My 2010 Prius can hang with this from a dig. They painted the intake manifold red, how cute.

[@Cykoid]

i wouldn't call watching one of these disappear into the distance hanging with it really

[@MrTmenzo]

lol prius

[@TheBikemaster94]

cute car broghe, get a CAI and. a tuner, sleeper Prius would be awesome

[@rombierto]

Cykoid ever put the Prius into "power mode"?

[@MrTmenzo]

lol power mode

[@mryang3644]

its still a frs.... what they shoulda done was put a toyota motor in it to Really seperate it from the frs and brz..... 86+toyota motor= gameover....

[@sabufinisher]

so what about the BRZ? and the Scion FRS?

[@JettyLife23]

Scion is going out of business. Toyota was the parent brand, so they took over the production. Subaru will still have the BRZ I assume.

[@TFLcar]

+sabufinisher The Scion FRS is no more. The Subaru BRZ is still for sale.

[@sabufinisher]

too bad for scion! and Subaru has updated the BRZ or still as 2015 The Fast Lane Car

[@bradmotors3826]

Scion was suppose to be for teenagers but they failed to do so because of sales went down I think they don't know how to build an affordable fun car for teenagers

[@Manystylze]

That's the problem with most manufacturer's and younger driver target markets. Tuition has gotten beyond out of control and young college grads aren't making the money to pay for these cars with all their acquired debt. A person graduating making $40k can't afford a $30k car and having to pay rent, utilities, student loans, etc

[@TLCHobbies]

So... how does the side fender vents helps body roll as the salesman mentions in 1:17. I'd assume you would want as little body roll as possible.

[@Unchainedmaple888]

Subaru BRZ forever!

[@RottenTomahoken]

Frs gt 86 brz 86 it is the same damn thing just say subi all day instead

[@sebastian-daquanglocknerjr1883]

idk this thing is so close in cost to CLA and 3 series or even a GTI im hard pressed to even consider it. seems like a car for diddleweeds who vape

[@JM-nz8gw]

Needs more than 151 lb ft torque. I was considering this car, but I went for the mk7 GTI instead

[@mulletsquirrel]

+Johnny Martinez That's a totally different kind of car, what were your requirements?

[@Cykoid]

i tested both i went for the brz much better performance car

[@belden9328]

Cykoid why are you being such a fan girl replying to everybody trying to defend this trash ?

[@Cykoid]

because its a sportscar in its purest form

[@petezak5011]

Finally they put some bigger tires on the car not the Prius size but the car still slow and gutless

[@DarkPlatinm27]

Why would someone spend $26-27k for this when they could spend roughly that same amount on another model coupe with higher nearly a hundred more horse for the same price? I like the car and could be swayed more if this had close to 300 hp but for the moment I'd go Nissan or Hyundai for a better coupe

[@Cykoid]

then you're completely missing the point of the car

[@humblerc841]

what coupe would that be? assuming we are talking about brand new cars, of course.

[@Cykoid]

humble rc its the purest form of sportscar, all down to the driver, lost many cars twice the horsepower in the rear view up hills

[@humblerc841]

cykoid, word. it's funny how people like to talk trash. most have no idea how to really drive.

[@DarkPlatinm27]

I get what you guys are saying but you are "car heads". I'm just asking the question in terms of the average person just looking at cars in similar price range. It's a nice looking car and has some great features but I'm lost as to where it falls in terms of the competition/market.

[@bertito43]

They added a bunch of crap that this car didn't need. All it needs is a turbo version.

[@JoeWuhPuh]

trying to make it look aggressive... but its still slow as fuck

[@buildmorefarms1007]

6 second range, plenty quick.

[@bradmotors3826]

buildmorefarms100 Miata is 5.9 seconds and Pontiac solstice with turbo lower 5 to upper 4 second range

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Bradley Maldonado Who wants a Pontiac? And Miata is 1/10 of a second quicker...so what? Are you in a race?

[@bradmotors3826]

buildmorefarms100 Toyoat's look ugly to and Miata is much better

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Bradley Maldonado ok buy a Miata

[@racingislife7916]

Looks the same it's just like the gtr they kept it the same old look just made it faster and better

[@arion45]

I drove the auto, owned the manual. The auto is like driving a Prius.

[@MrRedcelica]

what a shitbox, my 06 xt forester will kick its ass all day!!

[@dylannarain1539]

im in love with this car. i need this car

[@EBosAnimation]

Oh wow, they increased everything by 5. Oh boy. Oh joy.

[@dorianreyes2373]

the intake reminds me of the sti

[@jessiereeves3513]

Dorian Reyes ohhhhh really u think,thats because it is, its a Subaru brz with a toyota badge same goes for the the small scions that came out this year they are Mazdas.

[@dorianreyes2373]

no dumbass its because of the red paint on the manifold

[@dougbradley5550]

Thank you for joining us for the "All New" Toyota 86. First on the list of revolutionary changes is that we painted the intake manifold. Next, we moved our attention to the aesthetics, we now include the 86 logo on the headlights... Mind = fucking blown.

[@OOOOORA6996]

Garbage car. Slow AF.

[@tehstylz5517]

Lol this car isn't meant for speed.

[@Schlock3000]

It's not meant for speed, but even considering that, it is slow. 7.6 from 0-100 kilometers per hour... that's really pathetic. The new MX-5 ND of my wife with 160 hp takes 7 seconds. And drives very similarly. And it's a roadster.

[@trinitrujano7510]

cause we are all speed racers! lol

[@AlwaysBeSmart674]

i heard this car is kinda trash...handles well but is slow as shit

[@13984980]

Sad how my 4 door sedan can beat this

[@xFlared]

Not just yours. Most of the camrys in that lot can smoke it.

[@Mahllz]

The Miata only has 150base hp, and yet that car races against vehicles that make twice the output. This vehicle is extremely well balanced, similar to the miata - hp isn't everything.

[@13984980]

Mahllz Most car enthusiasts want the whole package. Horsepower and a well balanced car.

[@13984980]

Mahllz If they made this car push 300 Horses from the factory by adding a Turbo I'm sure they would have caught a lot more attention

[@Mahllz]

I can see that, however, that would take away from its maneuverability. The FRS was known for how confidently you can enter into quick corners, a huge speed increase would throw that off. I agree however, would have love to seen the car receive at least a small bump in power.

[@alexfornell]

The front bumper is just disgusting...

[@PRANKurFACE]

'Interesting car to drive'. translation: they paid me to review this car and it has a measly 200hp. pffffff

[@bbjnimens]

Did both TFL and Toyota really want this guy at 1 minute into the video??? ... "the fender vents help body roll" and "the torque band stays on longer". Please TFL... a poodle urinating on the tire would have contributed more to your video.

[@Ryukachoo]

0:22 this is considered a pretty hard pull for an 86

[@mustclime5311]

not over 250 hp, no care.....

[@mustclime5311]

Yea, hang a blower on it and boil your oil at the track. the car needs a wrx motor to fill the market holes left by the RSX, Celica and whatever Vdub had....focus St will eat this things lunch until they add some hp. the new hot shoe is going to be the fiat 124 abarth...with the Fiat 500 1.4 l abarth turbo motor, that car is going to be the tuner monster. those Abarth motors make 230 hp with a front mount inter cooler and a tune...for a car that weighs 200 lbs less than the 86, it will not even be close..

[@SoundgardenMan]

Love that camera drop haha!

[@FaaizAliTV]

It's so funny how people think the BRZ/FRS/86 are all about speed, THIS CAR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPEED. This car is meant for incredible handling, not a V12 engine with the speed of a spirit bomb coming at you

[@stevennguyen3240]

If the Toyota 86 is pretty balanced and how good the car is. Imagine when they come out with the Toyota ft (the new Supra)

[@GHW]

It's funny that the first thing out of your mouth was about the fact that you are driving the automatic gearbox because I was indeed thinking that.

[@Jia1337]

Not impressed. Its just a facelift and it looks worse. If you already own the pre-FRS/ 86s, don't bother to upgrade until Toyota gets their shit together and start making sports cars again.

[@chrisogrady28]

I don't know why Toyota badged it a Scion before, it's only in the US, companies treat americans like such idiots "Oh no we can't call it a Toyota, the yanks will think its a camry, someone think of a bullshit sounding word for our cooler cars'. I'd be offended if I was american.

[@OfficialEPA]

why wont toyota just call this damn thing a celica. seriously why are they so hesitant to bring back old names like celica, supra,etc.

[@nightdevilkids551]

AE86 also old. 😏

[@jmanyes]

But originally this is just a celica.

[@RottenTomahoken]

muhammad aizat cuz its a corolla

[@snapascrew]

I really wish I could have gotten red

[@DesuVR]

Beautiful car, those TRD wheels look like turd, and only 5hp increase, sigh, but I suppose people who buy this car will modify it anyway.

[@juliusdamato2487]

I want the shooting brake 86!

[@arnold-12]

Adding more power to the FRS/86 this year would have been great (stock) except no one would be as willing to go out there and pick one up for $35k - $40k. Sure, you can buy a Mustang or Genesis Coupe with 300+ HP for $30k, but let's be honest, this is a Toyota. Buy it..toss on the mods YOU want and drive it for the next 20 years LOL

[@thefleas]

Car is good, but it would be great at 220HP and 220-250 lb/ft of torque. It will smoke anything in the class of "sporty under 30K cars". A small 1.6L turbo can do that, without adding weight or extra cost.. Subie makes a small Turbo boxer for Europe, bring that over and give a bigger turbocharger. Done.

[@gracci01]

"New fender mounted vents- help with the body roll and controllability of the vehicle"......SERIOUSLY TOYOTA?!? LMFAO! Suddenly this has aerodynamic venting like the GT3, the 488 or the like? It's a freaking FRS. 😖👎🏻

[@nismofury]

yes yes yes great car but the big problem is IT COSTS TOO MUCH now if this car fully loaded with TRD exhaust was $25k you would have more people buying it and speaking of how awesome it is BUT because it is well over $30k with TRD exhaust it will remain scrutinized ... Toyota you have a chance to have a clear winner here but you are too greedy and that will be the shortcoming just like the BRZ and FRS now do what I say if you want to see these fly off the showroom floors with happy buyers creating an even bigger following

[@johnathanyinger]

I have no idea why people think there would be a huge price jump if it had a turbo! The Subaru WRX starts at $470 more, and has +63hp and +102lb/ft. Just put the 2.0 turbo (FA20F) engine in this car already!

[@meathead585]

Owners of 2013-2016 FRS/BRZ want to know the difference in driving a 2017 Manual trans car vs the older model. Please test drive a 6 speed manual and let us know about all the driving improvements vs the older model...Does it handle better ? Is the trans shifting better ? Is the torque dip lessened ? Has the steering feel been improved ? What rpm will show on the tach at 70 and 80 mph vs the older model, now that the rear end is 4.3 instead of older 4.1 ? Putting the changed looks, interior and exterior aside, would I be wise to upgrade to the 2017 Manual from an older manual, due to a better overall driving experience ?

[@ganthrithor]

I know this is going to sound offensive, but as somebody who drives that road all the time (in an 86 with a stock engine, no less), it looks like you were driving ~*way*~ too slowly to start having a discussion about how "well balanced" the car feels. I regularly drive at least 50% faster in those places while still driving at about 7 or 8/10ths. Don't sit in the car begging the manufacturer for more power while idling along at 45mph half-way up the tach-- start by using the power that's already there. If you're "not comfortable doing that on the street," do what other reviewers do and take it somewhere off the street, or get the CHP to help you close a road for a little while to do your shoot. Also you're nowhere near "sea level." Just because you started your drive by the beach doesn't mean you didn't ascend to a considerable density altitude-- that road gets up to almost 5,500' MSL in places and it's the hottest time of the year in Southern California: I wouldn't be at all surprised if the density altitude at the top of that road was ~8,500'. Even for the locations that made it into the video (around 3000' MSL) the density altitude could easily have been over 6,000'. Again, as someone who drives up there all the time, the decreased performance at the top of those hills is very noticeable. It may be less than you're used to on some roads in Colorado during the summer, but it's nowhere near sea level. Also, having a dealer dude talk at length about how fake fender vents help with cornering does not help the video. Also why did you talk about all the new features and the 5 extra horsepower, then drive the AT car that doesn't have the new engine? Basically this video is not great.

[@wesleyjones1169]

This car really need some boost, but at least Toyota is slowly getting back into the sports car scene. For that price and that type of car I would much rather get the Focus ST, the new Miata, or the mk7 GTI which is not only cheaper, but it has better mpg, way more fun to drive, and more horsepower ( 210hp to be exact), and if you opt for the performance package you get bigger brakes, an active LSD, and an additional 10 more horses(totaling of 220hp). There is hope for Toyota though returning into the sports car scene now all they have to do is bring back the Supra and they could be in business.

[@essel23fly]

Who buys this car anymore? It's too immature for grown guys and too expensive for the 20-30, it's fucking like 30k!!!!! For 200hp! It's a pointless car, you can easily buy a used Porsche for 25 to 30k

[@Ajuna100]

Did I hear that right at 1:20, fender vents help with body roll and "control-ability" of vehicle? I'm guessing the new 86 badge is where Toyota was able to get that extra 5hp from last years 2016 model with 200hp according to this guy.