2017 Toyota 86: First Drive

[@highrollaXRS]

it was never broken man...

[@TestDrivenTV]

But it SO was

[@hh155]

you drove it twice in the past? should have given a fair shake. drive it for a week

[@HorvathSteve]

Not broken, no. But if you put an ACE 350 header on it with a tune, you'll think "this is how the car should be sold" ;)

[@UltimateCARNUT]

How did they make the front uglier??

[@pedrofernandez3893]

This car is all about driving enjoyment without illegal speeds, sort of a slightly larger Miata for those who live where a convertible top just would not work out

[@aika6428]

plus less body roll

[@authenticmax6350]

Go back to picking strawberries esse ! Just kiddin bro.

[@Pabloperes675]

@@authenticmax6350 calm it down nigga.

[@itzed]

I enjoy your reviews. I owned a new BRZ for a year and your review of it was spot on. We all know this is a Subaru engine and It sucks if you were serious that Subaru would be reluctant to give you cars for review because of your honest criticism.

[@motormusique]

What we learned here is that...the reviewer is a moody person. There's not nearly enough that has changed between 2016 and 2017 for him to have such a negative review for the 2016 and sing the praises of the 2017.

[@TestDrivenTV]

You've obviously not driven the 2017 yet. It's the difference between noise and musique. ;)

[@motormusique]

Well I'll take your word for it, if the sound can make that much of a difference! It's hard to tell from the videos but it doesn't sound all that different. Sorry I still think you were just having a bad day when you tested the BRZ because your attitude is night and day over some relatively subjective matters

[@mgy992002]

go test drive, you will know

[@farhan007]

the shorter gearing really solves a lot of issues.

[@ideekay]

What the fuck kind of front bumper is that

[@alfalfasprout69]

I agree, that front bumper if fugly and so are the headlights. I have a MY15 GTS86 and he is right about the gearing and such but the front bar on this new model just puts me off..

[@Fatmouse25]

looks like a camry now

[@southernclassik]

Usually people with the previous year models are the only ones who dislike the new front end.

[@mgy992002]

DO NOT buy automatic!

[@iheartgs400]

mgy992002 ahh the never ending manual vs auto debate its like a Trump vs Clinton war it never ends 😂😂😂

[@ere5763]

i have auto and i dont give a shit

[@southernclassik]

Who are you to tell people what to buy?

[@mahirfredericks4013]

brz it is

[@mgy992002]

I test drive both 2015 and 2017, I 100% agree with TestDrivenTV. Toyota has fixed it! now the 86 is an enjoyable car, no doubt!

[@GurvirSingh64]

The price is too high. You can buy a used 2013 frs for under 15k with about 30k miles. Then you can spend 8 grand on a turbo kit and have way more fun for the same as this new one.

[@streetsandpeaks3013]

Gary Singh You can get a new Jackson Racing bolt on supercharger kit for $4500.

[@GurvirSingh64]

Streetsandpeaks Sure, but if you don't want to install it yourself, it's still going to end up being 6k+ after the install and dyno tuning.

[@krayzel]

If you say that the price is too high, then name a car in its class (RWD coupe) that's on par or better at same price or lower. There is none.

[@GurvirSingh64]

krayzel Any 2013 frs is half the price.

[@VWayyyyyyyy]

Ikr.

[@streetsandpeaks3013]

It's fixed? Drive the 2016 over 5800 and there was nothing to fix. And why would you get the automatic?? No one wanted less edge. Buy a used one people for half the money and mod it up.

[@peterlund9422]

This guy keeps using his engine terminology wrong. Does he even know what flat torque curve means?

[@Honja999]

the front bumber makes the car looks sad

[@K03sport]

What gear in the 6MT is the 1:1? In the Miata, it's 6th, and the GTI it's 4th...so which gear in the FT-86 is the 1:1? Do you think they are still piping intake noise into the cabin to "enhance" the performance sound of the car? Is shifter feel improved over the previous version of the car? no flat-bottomed steering wheel...I'm surprised. Also, I think it is hard to build a car for the enthusiast and the general public. Building one to satisfy both means lots of compromise for each category of consumer. Did Toyota/Subaru do a good job of catering to both sides?

[@Bristecom]

5th gear is 1:1 on the 86/BRZ.

[@mannyandrade8381]

The new gearing is what makes it faster than what it used to be. Not the added 5hp.

[@streetsandpeaks3013]

Manny Andrade adding a Sprint Booster to the accelerator for $300 fixes the flat spot at 3500-4000. And reminder to all testers, the torque peaks at 5800 ... get it up there buddy!!

[@ChristopherWalkenPUA]

we need the new supra.

[@adrianlee2357]

Next year

[@ernestmuric6719]

NOTHING HANDLES AS GOOD AS AN 86 FOR 25 GRAND. One reviewer had it handling better than a Porsche caymen that was worth 100 grand.Look up toyota beats Porsche a car review on the internet.Thats why so many people are salty that a toyota could be so good .Japanese engineering is so underated.

[@SimbaTheGreat]

Ernest Muric the cayman starts at 45k....

[@ernestmuric6719]

Simba TheGreat Not in Australia. The 718 caymen is 110 grand. And the gt 86 is 33 grand. They scored the Cayman 8 out of 10. And the gt 86 got 9 out of 10.

[@SimbaTheGreat]

Ernest Muric again....I just looked it up. The Porsche Cayman actually starts at $52k and caps off at $84k....options will drive the price up.

[@ernestmuric6719]

Simba TheGreat I looked it up before I replied.it said 110 to 140 grand Australian dollars for the 718 caymen. that was Australia dealership price

[@SimbaTheGreat]

Ernest Muric ah, and that's the de facto. I'm in America.

[@redleader2211]

This car deserves 300 ponies, it'd be an impulse buy.

[@gregg7363]

Hate the styling of the 2017 brz/frs. Looks hideous. Don't know what they were thinking. The previous gens are just so much cleaner.

[@izzfoshizz9982]

Redline Reviews just covered the 2017 BRZ. Both interior and ext look better than ever on the BRZ

[@neorabado8990]

SocalSubaru I disagree. The new frs front looks ugly af.. But I think it'll grow on us. The new brz looks amazing tho.

[@escapemyrevenge]

the front bumper😭😭😭😭

[@slimjim8736]

car needs tires

[@jyaptras]

This actually looks good in person better than the brz

[@fatboy19831]

It does sound better. If you plug the sound tube on the older car (in the passenger compartment) and add cold air it starts to sound very Honda like. Just an electric wine up to 4000 rpm then all hell brakes lose. Around town you don't hear a peep from the engine. After the car brakes in it sounds a tad better also. If you really want the boxer sound you must go unequal headers and cat back exhaust with an aftermarket tune. With the right exhaust it then sounds like a small block v8. Not to mention the 20 or so wheel hp that will add wile all but eliminating the torque dip at 4000 rpm. 25 or so lb-ft or so boost @ 4000 rpm.

[@K03sport]

revisiting because this car (86/brz) is interesting and despite me considering a VW wagen, the art and fell of driving is what I want out of a/my next car which must have a manual. not that I would be disappointed with a wagon, I still like driving and this car has potential (the ND Miata does too); however, it has many aspects/quirks that I'm not really fond of (see driver's seat not going back to original position after being flipped forward; my GTI's seat goes back to the original position). I just wish there weren't so many pieces/parts that need "upgraded" to bring out the real potential this car has, engine power aside.

[@barthil1]

Anyone else notice he left the e break up?

[@VortexRamFTW]

where

[@madmatmotosport6806]

viper front bumper yay restyling

[@alvilla701]

my favorite road; hwy 74 near Palm Desert, California

[@Bristecom]

Makes me really miss California. Too bad their laws and cost of living makes it unbearable to live there.

[@ToxiclRevieved]

What's Jason Kidd doing here

[@norbertwitwicki4855]

What a stupid comment. How Toyota can deliver better engine if we talked about the same engine actually Subaru made it

[@TheAdventureAuto]

It looks like such a nice day out, shoulda put the top down! Wait, what?

[@gorrilaunit99]

All these people complaining about torque/acceleration If you want better acceleration get smaller *lighter* wheels- 15-16" and better tires. World of difference.

[@streetsandpeaks3013]

gorrilaunit99 Ha, ha! I put on 19" 30/275, coil overs and strut bars and it grips like a Porsche. This car isn't winning any drag races so don't fight it, make it corner even faster.

[@gorrilaunit99]

Streetsandpeaks The bigger/heavier the wheel/tire combo (unsprung weight), the worse your acceleration (and most cases overall sped) will be. Wheel size doesn't determine grip. The actual tire compound/tread, Air PSI (with relation to unsprung mass/ tire section width), and aspect ratio (minimally) will determine your overall coefficient of grip.

[@streetsandpeaks3013]

gorrilaunit99 Do you have one of these cars? My set up is @20 lbs lighter than stock with Rays Gram Lights wheels and I run 19/30/235 up front and 19/30/275 in the rear with the Nitto NT05 all round. Yes, the already slow acceleration may be a touch slower (but my tune has remedied that) and the reality is same corner speeds are up 5-10km/h. Check out Tirerack or Speed Academy (or frankly anyone who has set up these cars) and they all agree . Have ever seen a Porsche with less than 19" wheels (stock) and 11 or 12" rubber? Usually people on KZbin who talk up small wheels drive Miata's or Honda Civic's ... what do you drive?

[@gorrilaunit99]

Streetsandpeaks I doubt 19 inch wheels are lighter than the stock or 16" wheels (also the tires will be heavier). That's because Porsche's are *heavier*. The *sprung weight and suspension geometry* transfers to the tires contact patch in cornering loads and Porsche runs a lower PSI on their tires. The frs/brz is not a Porsche. Unless you change the suspension geometry/weight or PSI, you will not get a higher coefficient of grip. Go to a skidpad and compare the same tires on different wheels (19" vs stock). www.tuneruniversity.com/blog/2011/04/wheel-tech-part-ii-size-matters/ a good read for you

[@streetsandpeaks3013]

You still haven't answered if you have actually driven an 86?? What do you drive?

[@Troglor048]

New styling is a downgrade from the previous model. I'll stick to my 2016 FRS. I would go for the new BRZ if this is the alternative.

[@southernclassik]

Nobody cares about you or your thoughts. xD

[@killersushi99]

So nice that it has the Subaru FA20 turbo motor in it now!!! (We can all dream cant we?) XD

[@mattbotelho9854]

i dont know dude, you complain how it is as a daily car, but you drive on a back road? Drive the car in the city to get a better review of the car. The car is known to be amazing on the back roads.

[@oldtwins]

This was a press event, which means they were only allowed to drive it where Toyota told them they could for a limited amount of time.

[@22358]

Do you went into the wrong side of the park entrance? lol

[@ET_Videos]

Did you notice if the road noise is any less?

[@speedfiend925]

Hey TestDrivenTV, did the car you test drove have the TRD exhaust? I saw a fellow KZbinr review this car and he pointed out that the car had a TRD exhaust installed and the sound was noticeably better under hard acceleration in comparison with the Scion FRS. :O

[@TestDrivenTV]

The one we drove was 100% stock. A lot of the journalists chased after the TRD equipped cars but we wanted to see how the base car was improved or not, over the last year's model. The TRD stuff is good, but icing on the cake.

[@speedfiend925]

Interesting. I guess the engine sound has been improved regardless of exhaust system. Thanks for the info! :)

[@MrGsxrme]

all of the fa20 motors are manufactured in a Subaru plant, and shipped to Toyota for the Scion or Toyota Branding. only thing new about the 2017 manual 6 is the aluminum intake plenum on the engine. The automatic ships with the old intake plenum. Yeah you better stay away from those Subaru Motors that are shipped to Toyota ....

[@TestDrivenTV]

You made our Mow Down kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmnZiJeNmcuXZ9k

[@MrGsxrme]

TestDrivenTV I suggest listening to 9:15 to 9:40, where you imply they are different engines being manufactured and to stay away the Subaru version. In you mow down you basicly contradict yourself. exhaust is also not new its from from last year's model, and the valve train and crank is all pre-existing from last year model. They had to revise the first years model to resolve a rocker spitting out of the engine head. The world already knows the Subaru BRZ and the Toyota GT86 or Scion FR-S is a collaboration car, I was just personally roasting you on your comment about staying away from Subarus bud. Supplier part numbers don't always mean there's actually changes to the measurement of the parts on the car or in the engine just suggest you come from a different source. Have a great New Year's!

[@zdenojasoyasho3077]

Mate ! Your Boots is for driving truck !

[@dlock]

Your comments on the previous engine are ridiculous

[@ak2112]

Nice video. Glad to hear they did improve it because I'm with you- that engine was really unpleasant before.

[@ShayneWolfe]

Great video as always Sam!

[@dreamwhileyousleep]

It needs a TURBO!!! And bigger tires/brakes.

[@VortexRamFTW]

ya do it yourself

[@gorrilaunit99]

The compression ratio would need to be altered

[@VortexRamFTW]

okay do it then

[@gorrilaunit99]

***** You can't change an engine's compression ratio when it leaves the factory . . . Turboing a high compression engine is stupid and tuners know this, but do it anyway

[@VortexRamFTW]

yolo dude

[@TerryFT86]

Good review, original 86 setup just isn't that easy to appreciate on most american roads.

[@mosty2986]

brz's front bumper is better for me

[@tbonecelica]

I LIKED THE RED STITCHING. ILL KEEP MY 2015 LOL

[@southernclassik]

red stitching looks like rice

[@Eduman1979]

you look like young jason kidd

[@hardchemist]

I didn't catch how many HP it has? 5 more than what?

[@djphipz]

The old one made 200hp and this one makes 205.

[@starsky7078]

it had 197 so really its 8 more

[@richardhitchcock5291]

The dash was taken from the FRS 2.0 which had nicer leather seats

[@abendiaye3330]

I wouldn't mind an 86 as a 2nd car for spring/summer.

[@loveever89]

YEAH! 5 more HP!! Yeah...That you wont even feel...wow..

[@jacobkrajnik1377]

Slap a turbo in it Toyota and give it 286hp.

[@Sonic_1000]

Bro! You're in amazing shape now! Love the reviews, btw!

[@thorshammer81]

7:16 he sounded like a robot ready a script lol

[@danielmilosevic1991]

and a 01 s2000 still has more hp than it .....wow

[@sdlausen1]

AND... what you fail to understand is that an 01 s2000 when new in 2001 was around $32k. That's around $43-44K in today's money. The s2000 is in a roadster category above the GT86 and in it's own league, really. The s2000 was also developed at the time to compete with the Porsche Boxter and BMW Z3 and pretty much decimated them in performance over those first few years when introduced. There... I learned ya somethin'.

[@danielmilosevic1991]

wouldnt you rather spend more and get something worth the money? Also 200hp its not competing with anything....even a civic si has more power than that and its not a roadster...not to mention reliability. the gt86 had more than a few shares problems and even lemon laws with their fuel pump going out etc. i can be driving my mom auto accord and not worry about it pulling on me. it needs atleast 250hp to even considered to be competitive. thats just my .2

[@sdlausen1]

Let me tell you from my personal experience. Hopefully one day you'll remember my words. Not all cars are about horsepower numbers or 0-60 times. Back in the day, I used to be a muscle car guy and made fun of Hondas with my Mustang 5.0 for the lack of torque and HP. Guess who now drives a 2001 S2000 and prior owned an RSX-S? Me. It was more fun "to" me to drive a slower car fast than a faster car slow on a daily basis. I drive the hell out of my s2000 and it's still a bit too fast for public streets before I start breaking the law -- excessively. This is the same reason why the "slow" Miata is a huge success around the world. It's the driving experience, light weight, and ability to drive the hell out of it at full RPM without getting in trouble on a daily basis. For a daily car, the GT86 has enough power/weight balance. The chassis and handling is tight, and you can wring it out on your back roads while putting a HUGE grin on your face almost like a Miata -- almost. This is just my experience and opinion :) Also, once you try to take a turn in your moms accord you'll under steer into a tree -- I almost did this as a teen. No comparison between rear wheel drive sports cars and a front wheel drive family cars.

[@johnhornbarger6192]

Will you ever do a Miata review?

[@Will0w_Th3rianPawzz]

Are you double clutching?

[@RB25luv]

I luv Japanese cars but 5hp more n this cost like 29k that is base gt price....I go with the mustang way better n more car for the price

[@VortexRamFTW]

JDM life

[@Bristecom]

I test drove some new Mustangs and they feel like big, unrefined pigs compared to the 86/BRZ. And frankly, I wasn't even all that impressed with the Mustang's power. There are a lot of other cars I'd rather have at that price point. The Ford Sync infotainment/navigation system was very impressive though! But anyway... to each their own.

[@s4freestylersmw188]

5 MORE HORSEPOWER,OMG I CAN BEAT A BUGGATTI CHIRON

[@pepperidgefarm6775]

That car lookin uglier every year.

[@JBWHITEGT]

Still slow and overpriced for a weak FA20 motor.

[@ALIENdrifter66]

You can always get more power with than engine but you can't get change your chasis if you car sucks. That's why the 86/brz is so good

[@JBWHITEGT]

So pay 25k for chassis and ditch motor and pay 16k at least for motor n boost just to make the car ok all around. 41k at minimum for that and thats not including upgrades, suspension, visual etc, hmmm at that price I can think of some better cars.

[@ALIENdrifter66]

JIMBO SLICE No really, you just need 40hp more and more torque(turbo or compressor -->can be between 3500/6000 euros),that's in case you need that power because really, the fun thing is to push the revs and have to work for the power. If you live in a place with nice roads you don't need more power than what it has, it's really fun to drive it stock. For me it's better to have something like this than a 300hp turbo hatchback.

[@JBWHITEGT]

Ok dude...to each his own. In my eyes the engine is too weak for what the car is asking for. Good chassis but the car is overpriced. If they made the FA20 capable of handling 500hp without building the motor, than 25k for that car would be worth it. The FA20 can barely handle 325hp before it starts to eat itself.

[@ALIENdrifter66]

JIMBO SLICE Not really most tunner say it can reach 400hp with minor changes

[@ronchristella]

It's the same lawnmower piece of shit engine lol. crappy car w no power . It gets smoked by minivans. It's a hipster teenagers car. I always make it a point to punk these cars on the road w my infinite g!

[@ronchristella]

Jkrui speak proper English before commenting idiot!

[@ronchristella]

Ok 👌🏼 the 86 is a car for teenage girls like you! Understand!

[@ronchristella]

I'm 38 bro

[@ronchristella]

Respect

[@cwqrpportable]

I wish drivers like you would grow up. Public roads are not your playground Ronald

[@hunterscrackbag]

so unwatchable..