2019 Ford F350 vs F450 for towing a Toy Hauler RV! Keep your Daydream (KYD) and BTBRV

[@silentmajority2347]

I know this is a year old but watched it again. When we went to get our truck it truly came down to customer service. Two dealerships had the same truck, same color and features. The one that treated me with half an ounce of respect is the one I bought from.

[@AngelaFibroStargazer]

I'm watching this 4yrs later but need to thank all of you as this was very helpful to finally making sense of the tons of information I've found while researching both. Your videos are often I feel above my beginners knowledge so with KYD asking the same questions as I have been thinking I greatly appreciate you taking the time to explain it for we beginners! I hope there haven't been too many changes in the past few years though. Note: I didn't even think about the costs of the tires needed to be included in the comparison too. They had excellent questions.

[@boblugaluga100]

This was a great collaboration of 2 of my favorite youtubers. Love it!

[@paulcowan9427]

Love both of the channels. I have owned both the 450 and 350 Dually’s and your comments and observations are spot on. I like the man appeal of the 450 and also the turning radius is unbelievable. Having said that the availability, costs and options on the F350 are why I prefer it. I have no problem pulling anything with my F350 and when I’m not pulling......I like the better ride. The bottom line is both are great.

[@AC-Cowboy41]

I’m in the market for a 450. Towing a Montana 3763BP. Would you recommend 4x4 or not? TY

[@TheQuball19]

JD you are a very intelligent man. Your very informative on all things you talk about. I have a 2014 F450 Platinum and love it, not as fancy as yours but has some bells and whistles. Wife and I tow a 2018 Cougar 344 MKS. We travel to different states through out the year. You talk about "Over Kill" when buying. That is what we named our truck. Keep up good work. You da man!!

[@mpsarmi]

You guys, BTBRV AND KYD, are SCHOOLING me big time as I'm researching this arena for my family and me. THANK YOU!!!

[@paulrodrigues9603]

Glad you were able to help Mark & Trish. I saw a 2020 Keystone Montana 5th wheel with the Legacy package. It had disc brakes, 16" load range "G" tires, full body paint and a full fiberglass rear cap. I didn't know if you were aware of these.

[@kevinthomas8025]

Really cool video JD, I've been following Marc and Trish since day one and I've been watching yours for a while now. Great info

[@arniecribbjr.6718]

My two favorite KZbin channels!! Get the F450!!

[@mcclungfarm7965]

me too. lol

[@cabby0ttogaming459]

Arnie Cribb Jr. whats the channel

[@arniecribbjr.6718]

cabby0ttogaming Big Truck Big RV and Keep Your Daydream

[@ricwestdoesitwork]

Great job helping Mark & Trish. It was awesome to see and hear the questions and the advice JD.

[@BTBRVReviews]

Thanks! They are good people

[@cmcraig1220]

Love seeing channel crossover. That was a GREAT vid; informative, fun, and engaging!! Keep up the AWESOME work!

[@eugeneenslow8563]

Awesome collaboration between two great channels!

[@Raskel8274]

Just came across this video today, I grew up in CC and immediately recognized it even though I haven't been there in 10 years. Weird to recognize it even with all the new growth it has. Great vid since I have currently been looking at 450 vs 350.

[@marktefft3431]

I appreciate that you break down the tech jargon into user friendly terms for people who aren't as knowledgeable in these area's but, want to learn and might be afraid to ask. I also subscribe to KYD. My gf and I want to work remotely via a fifth wheel. We are in the process of researching toy haulers and trucks so that next time this year we will be prepared to make the correct purchases and have the life we want! Your info is helping take the "fear" factor to a lower level. P.S. I read all the viewers comments below bc your they are also very knowledgeable and provide another source of information that we might have missed. THANK YOU!!! It's funny I just watched your last video about buying gas or diesel and was thinking I wish you had a video for people with toy haulers and trucks and BOOM this video "popped" up as the next one to watch! What a relief!!

[@kentonwagner441]

This has been the most informative video, easy to understand for those that don’t comprehend vehicle characteristics and numbers and stats, and quick to-the-point answers, etc., that I’ve seen on the topic to date. Great job!

[@quitusmaximus4664]

We opted for the 450 because it opened a lot of options with horse trailers that have living quarters. It is a stiff ride until you get a heavy load on the back so it then rides comfortably. The one con at least in my state is that the 450 is considered a commercial vehicle so tags are triple the cost. Great video.

[@dr.michaelbennett8597]

F350 dually comes standard with 4:10 rear and F450 is 4:30. Shorter tire on the F350 dually results in same rpm. Both turn around 2200 at 70 mph. 3:55 or 3:73 on a dually is silliness.

[@mbrown1519]

Go with the 450 I am on my third f-450, there is one thing that was overlooked on a 450 not every insurance company will insure it because it is a commercial truck

[@AC-Cowboy41]

I’m in the market for a 450. Do you go with 4x4? Why and why not? Towing a Montana 3763BP.

[@mbrown1519]

@@AC-Cowboy41 Update I'm now on my 4th at F 450, we bought a new one on Valentine's day this year the 2020 with the 10 speed. Our last one was a 2016 and let me tell you that there's no comparison. Our 5th wheel is a 49ft 30,000lb. The 2016 we got 13.7 mpg empty and 6.7 towing. This one gets 19 - 20 empty and 10.2 towing. Ñight and day difference on power. If you can get the 2020 I would recommend it.. Now to answer your question get the 4x4 because of the 14 ply tires with 110 psi you are almost stuck with a handful of sand on the pavement I'm not exaggerating. All four of my 450s have had four-wheel drive. Let me know if I can help with anything else.

[@AC-Cowboy41]

@@mbrown1519 Thank you sir! You’ve been a great help. I’m planning on ordering mine with how I have them built. I have built and priced a XL, an XLT and a Lariat. High as I can go. Lol. I’m leaning to the Lariat. And I will get the 4 wheel drive. I envy you. 4th one? Dude, you’re my hero.

[@melvinoldaker9425]

@@mbrown1519 I'm also considering buying a 2021 F450. I was wondering driving solo did it change the RPM's at 60 miles per hour with the new 10 speed transmission? Can you tell me what the bed height is at the tail light? I want to make sure I will have enough clearance for my 5th wheel. I appreciate any help that you can give me. Thank you!!!

[@jamesnunn5452]

Great video love it when Channels across. Very informative, especially knowing price numbers. Keep them coming.

[@seanwillhite]

Just watched KYD and it is so awesome to see two of my favorite channels together! Great info as always!

[@powerstrokethunderstroke5750]

3.73 is a great all around gear. Still good torque delivery and fuel mileage on highway. I’m in NY and am 28,000lbs GVCWR. I’m required to have a class A license with an o1 restriction which just means not tractor trailer. Great video guys!

[@pgrant7688]

They called the right person. Excellent video across the board. And you have to do your research, you have to drive the trucks. And 3/4 ton trucks, you have to consider if you’ll upgrade before stepping into one. Payload is typically limited in 3/4 ton trucks.

[@timesup6386]

But at the same time Marc has ignored comments on his channel about his overloaded payload. Hypocrites

[@tobyleach176]

Enjoy watching both channels. One of these days I'm going to pull a trigger and get me a RV. Until then I watch the videos of my old town Corpus. Great information.

[@2263pete]

My 2 favourite RV channels together in one video! I have learned so much from both of you! JD and Mark, you guys were very helpful in giving me the correct information when it came time to purchase what is now my current tow vehicle (2017 Ford F-350 SRW pulling a 2019 Grand Design Imagine 2850 MK). The truck is over spec for the trailer, resulting in stress free towing and trouble free travel. Please keep the collaborative videos coming!!

[@christopherjilek5467]

Great explanation of gear ratios and how they affect the vehicles performance and where it puts the strain while towing. Most people do not understand how critical the right ratio is for your towing needs.

[@TermiteBenny]

Best way to explain gear ratios is to compare to a 10 speed bicycle. The easy gears are a lower gear ratio, easy to get going but requires a lot of peddling to go fast. The 10th gear is like a higher gear ratio, hard to get going but requires less peddling to go fast.

[@markdrebert247]

I follow KYD as well and I thought meshing the channels was a stroke of genius! Great video!! Thanks for sharing!!!

[@motorcyclemitzi8022]

as a tremendously happy owner of a 2017 Platinum F-450 i say 450 every day. I hit 60k miles in a little over 2 years, but did just throw a DPF error and am waiting to get it in the shop. the reason its hard to find discounts on the 450 is that they are built in much smaller numbers than the 350. I ordered mine but had to wait 4 months for it. This lower number of vehicles produced helps to maintain the value and trade value.

[@wj2791]

it is good to hear about your story. Originally I ordered F350 Limited Dually on Feb 12th of this year, and later cancelled and ordered F450 Limited. Dealer is very opaque in their dealing about ordering or cancelling process through Ford. But, since I have 2020 F350 Dually Lariat 6.7L, I am okay with wait for 2022 or 2023 as long as it is F450.

[@Howard892]

This was a phenomenal video. I am ecstatic to see what KYD gets. I envy their channel and hope I can build my channel to y'all's level. Great job.

[@rhombus20]

Very cool! Literally my two favorite KZbin channels!

[@garyc4983]

The front end on the F-450 is more then enough to step up from a F-350 in my opinion.. Every time I do a turn around I remember that old song....... Give me 40 acres and I will turn this rig around...............

[@akbychoice]

Gary C it pays off every time you need to make a sharp turn.

[@barrytobias6921]

Great video. We have a 19 350 SRW and getting ready to buy a 20 450 DRW and this helped our decision

[@ToShrugOrNot]

I subscribe to both channels. We are also looking to buy a Grand Design 397 and Ford f450. This was just a very useful video. Thank you both!! BTW, the F450 is more underrated than the F350, so don’t listen to those who say the F350 has more payload because it’s just on paper. Look at the axle ratings according to Dana. Thousands of lbs rating difference.

[@MarkSmith-zt2zl]

Buy an F-450 as a tow rig then you are basically unlimited on choice of RV.

[@harriettedaisy2233]

@@highball7347 You just need 40 acres to turn her around, or a case of dynamite. ;o)

[@TheEliminator1992]

@@harriettedaisy2233 Upgrades for tighter turning radius exist.

[@justinfannon8159]

@@harriettedaisy2233 this made me laugh, thank you!

[@charlesprince1435]

Many dealerships don’t normally stock f450s. Most of the time it’s a special order. I own one, it’s a great truck.

[@AC-Cowboy41]

I’m in the market for one. Be towing a Montana 3763BP. 41’. Did you go with a 4x4?

[@VetJim]

I watch them all the time. Awesome!!

[@carlylady5288]

Jim ❤️

[@stevenchacker9654]

Another great video from both of you. I did chose both my 5th wheel and truck together mainly because I have been watching BTBRV videos prior to my purchases. It came down to availability and I ended up with a 2019 Platinum F-350 to tow my Grand Design Solitude 380-FL. In addition, I subscribed to Keep Your Daydream several months ago too as I see in other comments, many others do too. I ordered my GD knowing that I would be purchasing an F-450 or F-350. I did test drive an F-450, but it was sold before I could make a decision and I wasn't quite ready. That 2019 F-450 which was another Platinum, had the TPMI. I love the camera system in my F-350 too.

[@Ultrafrozen]

I wonder if JD buys KYD shirts and if KYD buys BTBRV shirts?

[@coreybaldwin4106]

How would we know? 😎

[@alexandermckay8594]

Great video. It's kind of to bad that a Class 6 didn't come into the conversation. A Freightliner M Series starts to look pretty good once you get into these weight and price ranges.

[@ctdieselnut]

Agreed. Especially for hot shotters or even RV'ers over 18k lbs. Having some remaining capacity makes things run so much easier, last longer(powertrain&brakes), and get better resale. I don't know why more people don't even consider it. If your talking f450's all the other costs involved other than vehicle prices are very close. Tax/reg/ins./brakes/tires/fuel/oil changes are all comparable, within 5-10% in my experience. Also, I think a lot of people don't realize this, they are so much more comfortable to drive all day. Huge trucker seats are ridiculously comfortable, a low hood/higher seating position gives better visibility, mirrors are 2x - 3x the size of a 450 550. I'm thinking of the freightliner fl 50 or equal size international. They are real trucks and every component is designed to last much, much longer than a glorified pickup or 450, and be safe and happy while doing it. Give em a chance, you may find it makes sense for you.

[@richardbrant5728]

In San Antonio now and I've lived in Corpus. Really love figuring out where you are. Love the videos.

[@angieholmes7561]

This was a great video and appreciate the feedback on both trucks! Bonus: having KYD on video, too!

[@rickreichard9979]

You forgot to tell Mark about the Centramatic wheel balancers. On your advice I installed them and it resolved the issues throughout all speeds. 2018 F-450 Limited.

[@swingwing671]

With regards to gear ratios, I have a 2016 F350 diesel dually with a 4:30 rear and it pulls my 10k travel trailer like it's not even back there. I feel very safe and in control with it back there. The down side is that on the highway, I try and keep the vehicle speed to 70/75 mph when not towing because the engine RPMs get a bit high and fuel economy suffers.

[@TheBurtonsAreHere]

Finally a collab with my 2 of my favorite channels

[@jdpedigo1]

Corpus! I recognize those exits.

[@cathyluckie6942]

We just watched keep your daydream , BTBRV I want YOU as our negotiator!!!!!!!!

[@BarryDuttonSellsHomes]

Glad to say I watch both these channels. Glad to say they brought you in for the consulting LOL

[@justindashiell222]

So happy to see my 2 favorite KZbinrs ever together

[@akbychoice]

And don’t overlook braking, so many never ever look at that aspect of the towing. Get the F450 and the dog.

[@xinferischief1570]

Exactly! Getting the load moving is easy. Stopping though...

[@sevanson1]

Braking is the ONLY thing that should be considered as non-negotiable. Gear Ratios? who cares! We were pulling the same loads with engines with 1/2 the HP as today's diesels. And no one died. Pick your median drive topography and stage length and go for the fuel economy!

[@xinferischief1570]

@@sevanson1 for sure. You can always buy more gas or diesel, transmission, or a new engine. You cant buy back your body because your trucks brakes overheat and you send it over the side of a mountain.

[@WePlusThreee]

There sub link isn't working in the info. Thanks keep up the great work.

[@bovine71211]

This a awesome! I have been watching kyd since there first trailer and f150 I was excited to see this video.

[@331drummer]

I went 350 DRW to pull my 40’ fiver a few years ago based on a vid you did at the time and have been happy with it after 20k towing miles. Saw you did a vid going from a 450 to a 350 saying the commercial tires on the 450 left you limited options for service. Then saw you went back to another 450 because it has better turning radius. So, you leave us a bit confused but I have never regretted my 350 dually purchase. In my cross country travels the turning radius has never been a big problem, and I have gotten into and out of some tight spots many times. I think the flexibility in tire service options trumps it by far

[@BTBRVReviews]

It takes driving the F450 and feeling how it manoeuvres to really see why it's such a big deal.

[@stinger4583]

Wish you all the best on your new truck KYD.

[@carlylady5288]

Good

[@tonyndebr]

That’s awesome! I’m already subscribed to KYD and have been watching them closely because they appear to parallel what my husband and I want. The downside for us, living in Cali is getting the non com class A license. I suppose it’s never too late to learn ( I’m 59). Thank you so much for all of the info you put out on your channel. I cannot wait to see their side of the (whole) video.

[@VegasGuy1975]

F450 is an awesome truck. If I were talking that kind of money, I’d just move up to the F650 so that there are zero limitations and the raised cab provides significantly better visibility. Sure it’ll be several thousand more in terms of costs, but you also won’t ever need to trade or sell it to move up to a larger fifth wheel. Plus you also get air ride cab options.

[@akbychoice]

VegasGuy1975 the ride in the F650 will be stiffer and not have the creature comfort of the F450.

[@VegasGuy1975]

akbychoice ever ride in one? I have risen in both the F650 and F750. Both ride actually slightly better than the F450 due to air ride seats and cab.

[@akbychoice]

VegasGuy1975 that’s the only plus in comfort. I’ve got 28 years driving commercially. Driven all kinds with air ride all around and spring all around. With walking beams, Pete air-ride, KW 8 bags, etc etc. true you can’t beat air ride, but the cabs are very different on the F650 comfort level.

[@jim00104]

As an owner of a 17 f350. I would buy a f450. The stock rims have been a nightmare, keep cracking at the valve stem. So stepping up to the 450 would solve that and plus the 450 will actually turn.

[@wj2791]

Did you end up getting F450? Any sharing will be welcomed.

[@jim00104]

@@wj2791 I priced out a f450. Then ended up with a gmc 3500 dually due to availability. And at first I was like I dunno about the gmc but 25k miles later still liking it

[@sgtaaronp]

Great to see KYD here!

[@jabojr5171]

This was all excellent info, thanks JD.

[@brianpeck3120]

Excellent job! Love both channels!

[@carlylady5288]

❤️

[@annisarich]

Just watched the friends video. Love when two favorites get intertwined.

[@dpd16790]

the best way to get a deal is to go in with a list of what you want in a truck and order it.. go from dealer to dealer with that list and the previous dealers price.. when you order a truck the dealer isn't paying interest on the truck until someone buys it.. personally i thing 1500 one invoice is a fair price to offer a dealer on an ordered truck.. 1000 for the dealer and 500 for the salesman.. not a bad deal to do some paperwork for a few minuets.. if they say no then move on to the next dealer.. likely a smaller volume dealer would be more inclined to take that deal because they don't have much going on day to day like high volume dealers...

[@dpd16790]

oh and that's 1500 over invoice and keep the manufacture rebates.. you can actually get the truck for less than what the dealer pays for it if you get good rebates.. and if you can figure what the hold back is on a truck then you can offer even less.. it wouldn't be surprising that a 90k truck can be bought in the high 60s low 70s with all factors considered...

[@paysmoretowin]

A mashup of my TWO FAVORITE CHANNELS. 😎

[@chadrogers934]

a 3/4 ton has the same towing capacity no matter the trim level, so having more options doesn't matter. Michelin, Hankook, Bridgestone and Cooper also make a 225 17.5 tire. very well built too

[@BTBRVReviews]

Not true. Having more options reduces the PAYLOAD capacity which can reduce your towing capacity because more weight transfers to the pin/tongue with a heavier trailer.

[@chadrogers934]

@@BTBRVReviews which options affect payload? The interior appointment dont.

[@chadrogers934]

@@BTBRVReviews are you speaking of the options on the trailer?

[@chadrogers934]

the way I red your reply you are addressing options on the TRAILER, Which is the misunderstanding. I was addressing the options of the TRUCK... I understand you point there...

[@bigtrucklittlerv7969]

Wrong payload capacity of truck dictates max tow

[@james2042]

Sum up the videos in several seconds, f350 dually if you tow the big trailer at most once a month and drive your truck regularly. get an 450 if you tow big trailers regularly and/or you don't drive the truck often

[@richd4819]

Disagree. 450 over 350 in both cases. 450 has tighter turn radius

[@wardg.5559]

Do you have a video of F450 vs Chevy 4500 and or Dodge 4500? Thank you

[@chrisburton4297]

I agree the two best you tube channels. That's so cool. Great information helps me out for later down the road.😀

[@johnhoy5198]

Excellent video as usual! I subscribed to KYD as well. Keep up the great work!

[@ronald5708]

Something both videos ignored was the payload of both trucks. The 2019 Ford guide says for a Crew-Cab 8' bed, the 350 DRW 4x2 has a max payload of 6970 lbs and the 450 DRW 4x2 is only 5630. While the towing capacities are nearly the same, the 350 has 1300 more available payload.

[@BTBRVReviews]

Correct, but it is because both trucks have a GVWR of 14k while the F350 is significantly lighter.

[@ColeyCLogan]

So if im looking at 5th wheel like a Luxe 44fb toy hauler, hitch weight is estimated 4,550. There is not much room left for other stuff. If you want tools an additional fuel tank. Does 550 give more payload and 5th wheel towing capacity (greater % than 450 does over 350)? Have u reviewed custom hauler bed options over traditional truck beds ? Plus air suspension options for 450 or 550? Air suspension won't provide more capacity? But will help ride quality?

[@donmccormick856]

Great advice and questions. We opted for the 2021 F450 King Ranch to pull our 2021 Solitude 390RK. The difference in pricing was $ 3500.00, to me the turning radius of the 450 over our 350 is worth the extra dollars. Plus the F450 looks just downright masculine and sexy so the wife says hahaha.

[@mobgma]

You do not look like I thought you would look like. Thought you were this bald dude with glasses, bbq dad shoes, jean shorts, wrinkled polo but HELLA KNOWLEDGEABLE and SMART WIT DA MONIES. Like the father I never had LOLOL. #realtalk

[@rondockweiler2663]

I'm considering the F550. Asked some Mechanics about going with a F450 over a F350 to pull my Grand Apen Teton Home 5th wheel. 24,000lb loaded. Full time so its loaded with stuff. Currently own a 04, 387 Pete semi. Axles singled and converted to elecric brake controls. Too expensive owning a semi when it needs fixing. Also driving to some restaurants or shopping places are blocked because its so big. When I asked 350 vs 450 everyone (mechanics, not sales people) immediately said go up one more step to the F550. Said there's not much difference in 350 to 450, but some real heavy differences on the next move to 550. They said the price is not that much diffence but though because of the expanded abilities of the 550 that industrial buyers make give you better used price and ability to sell when your done with it. Small dumps like landscapers use for instance. Anyone that can back up or dispute what they are telling me??? I feel like I'd rather make my decistion on the oppinion of mechanics over what sales people tell me. Help? Anyone tried both?

[@keithelliott729]

Looking for advice. Going to be getting a f350 but don't know if I should get a sew or drw. Will be used for 11900lbs jayco mid bunkhouse and will be adding a 50gal auxiliary tank plus a nice sized generator plus a family of 4. If I didn't live in a city the drw would be a no brainer. Also travel would only be 4-5trips in the summer

[@thechroniclesofmaintenance4192]

That was a great video, a wealth of good information neatly packaged.

[@jameswilkerson2020]

Well the 3/4 ton crew cab 6.2l has 3057 lbs with the 4:30 and upgraded with airbags

[@jamesmclamb3682]

The number one reason I bought my 2017 F450 was it looked awesome. An F350 would more than easily handled our 19,000 lbs. of toy hauler. We were at the time hauling it with a 2015 F350. But I liked everything about the F450 except two things: 1. Yes, those Continental tires are ridiculously cheap for an $80,000 truck. BTBRV has discussed this awhile back. 2. The 4.30 is absolute overkill and totally unnecessary unless you're pulling over 25,000 lbs. Typical 20,000 lb. and under toy haulers just don't need it. For me, it felt like the truck never got to use the huge torque numbers it produces. Its biggest downfall is interstate speeds and then needing passing acceleration. I have been stuck in the passing lane pulling our toy hauler at 70 mph and needed to get ahead of the big rig beside me. You stomp on the accelerator and the truck feels like it's almost reached its speed limiter. It's as if the 4.30 causes the truck to run out of acceleration after 70 mph. My 2015 F350 with the 3.55 had plenty more "oomph" at interstate speeds to easily get ahead and around that big rig who doesn't feel like letting me in the right lane. These trucks are pushing 500 hp and 1000 lb./ft. of torque. Let them use it. The 4.30 doesn't let the F450 use that power unless you're pulling 30,000 lbs. of horses. Let's face it. That's a huge reason Ford made the thing anyway. A new F450 with an option to go with a 3.73 and that would be a far better tow rig for toy hauler/fifth wheel pullers out there.

[@bobbyrosado1835]

Both my favorite channels!!

[@robertbrammerjr.6378]

JD and mark because of you guys I've cancelled my F350 and changed to an F450. As you both said....after shopping for a fifth wheel our tasted kept bringing us up to heavier and heavier pin weights. Love learning from you guys. When you need some toys from Stromberg let me know and I will take care of it personally.

[@VegasGuy1975]

Having just watched the KYD video, it’s kinda weird listening to the exact same conversation with different visuals.

[@toddbennett3335]

Two of my favorites come together

[@licianewstead7064]

Ok, it's confession time. My best friend and I have been led by God to do mission work and the direction we felt He was taking us was in getting an RV trailer (or Class A or C). With that bit of background the rest will make more sense. Being who I am, I never do anything without EXTENSIVE research so You Tube here I come. I was first introduced to KYD in the RVing for Newbies Tricks video. Having only RV exposure as little girls, we knew somethings, but found out VERY QUICKLY, how much we didn't know. I was so encouraged by Marc's tutorial, that I started looking for more. When I found videos where Tricia shows her tricks and tips for RV life, I became fully hooked. So my confession is this, I only just became a subscriber because I didn't want to get notices of new videos until I had completed my binge watching from all of your previous seasons. I have only been aware of KYD for two - three months, but have loved binge watching them. Your videos have become part of my weekly routine (well, now that I am out of the hospital - and feel confident that I am up to date with the weekly videos). Thank you so much for your desire to do this to help out older ladies with very little knowledge.

[@trevormangus7832]

F450 all day and try and locate a fleet sales dealership I have found that they are more willing to discount to make the sale than a low volume dealership

[@myleshansel7950]

First thing is Lazy Days RV will not let them drive off the lot unless they have the right tow vehicle. IMHO they will get the F-450, but on the same hand the F-350 will also do the job. You make great points of the downside of the F-450 (tires, price) but they are getting something (wide track steering) offsets the bad. The guy needs to keep a cool head because when a salesman see's a guy is in love then they have them, and negotiations go right out the window.

[@akbychoice]

Myles Hansel I bought my F-450 after searching the US from FL to ME to WA to CA, I ended up buying it in MO for 58 with a 73 sticker.

[@upnorthyooper1196]

The 10 ply tire on the 350 are much better in the snow then the 19.5 and you can feel the difference in tire pressure adjustment more in a 10 ply when you are dialing it in to what you like and need. I don't agree with your rear gear ratio. I have been running these trucks in business since 1984. 2 years ago I was running 3 of them. Trucks same load and trailer. On a run from Texarkana TX to Bloomington Ill. the truck with 4:10 got better mileage then the 355. With the 4:10 the truck almost never down shifts on the hills and I could hear the other truck screaming again and again down shifting for the hills, and bad head winds. Some long hills he couldn't maintain speed because he ran out of gear. Unless you are only going to drive around the flatlands. I have found 4:10 to be the best gear especially with these double and triple overdrives. I tell my customers the rear gear is a torque multiplier, the more gear the less work the rest of the drivetrain has to do including shifting. I also hear a lot of ford guys with 3:55 complain about the exhaust brake not being as strong as they think it should be, more gear will help that also. I know you are a ford guy but the best truck for pulling an RV is the dodge cummins 4:10 and that AIR RIDE, you wont have to worry about busting a RV frame with that air ride. I have a customer who is going hot shot and wants a ford and wants me to spec it out for him. You have been helpful on the 450 info.

[@jandblawncare8570]

The good ol' days! LOL Just bought a 22 F450 and there was NO discounts!

[@williamdavidson4576]

Make sure to tell KYD to install the Sulastic Springs. They're gonna need them for that F350 back end.

[@MEANSBC]

But the F450 and F350 rear suspension is the same.. Or at least that's what JD just said...

[@330turbo]

Great video about the difference between both trucks, but how outdated is the video about purchasing and negotiating power . I can't even get/buy an f450 at msrp

[@ronking2271]

I am mainly looking at payload because my camper weighs 4500 lbs. An F450 crew,4x4 King Ranch allows for just 4701 payload. With fuel,cargo,hitch weight (trailer)and camper that's 6k. My ONLY choice is the F350.

[@rondavis2050]

F350 vs F450. Maybe F550 with high gvw. Insurance... most car companies will not insure these. They consider these as commercial. Some do. Check first

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

We're lemon lawing our 2020 3500 Denali. We're going to try the 2021 F450 next.

[@RobertQuintan]

Nice crossover!! Almost like the Simpsons and family Guy

[@Milesco]

D'oh!

[@dougadoo1976]

I have a very different view of mileage between a 355 and 410 gear ratio as far as weight when towing heavy you maybe right but when you are not towing the 410 ratio will drop at least 3 to 5 miles per gallon depending on your heavy foot and or terrain

[@ckyrckabraham3560]

Wow, we live in a small world (lol)!!! Finally, two of my favorite channels united!!!! Great collaboration and thank you for the knowledge! You did it again JD!

[@clauspage]

cruising the SPID, great video

[@timesup6386]

Funny your the only one Marc will listen to about his truck choice. He's been in denial about his F250 CC Diesel truck being over payload capacity and GVWR towing his TT. He's always adding weight to his rig

[@nosnerd1967]

How about a 5500 Top Kick from Monroe ??

[@nc_mtbmedic1399]

Look at the prices a little closer, less than 5k on some models

[@gunrightsfan]

Nice. Funny just watching them the other day with them going through rigs with there kids. Very cool!

[@texasmud91]

Great information! These are really good channels.

[@1961trout]

Love that Corpus Christi area...

[@dylanstrahan9180]

F450 no question, better braking. and if you look around you can find them in the same price range.

[@chrisharman6707]

Totally agree. That is what I found out when buying my 2017 F450.