2020 Corvette C8 | Knock Off Super Car?

[@MrLathor]

| just don't understand how GM can produce so many unmitigated pieces of shit and then also produce this. It feels like something made completely insulated from the rest of the company which is run by penny pinching accountants and executives trying to boost short term stock price with no long term vision. I really hope this is an indicator of the way of the future for GM.

[@michaelpowell4823]

Until you're driving it and the frunk flies open - currently under investigation as to why.

[@alecbollinger7748]

Preach

[@savagegeese]

It will be user error for sure. In certain cases owners drive it to cars and coffee over 60 MPH which can cause the lid to unlatch. This is considered extreme usage and is outside GMs warranty scope, for more information, check out the Chevy Cobalt user manual for terms and conditions.

[@2112sgb]

Does this car have cylinder deactivation?

[@sulfuricanaljuice3994]

@@savagegeese Lmfao

[@tri3pleagent]

This car makes me angry at GM. It shows what they can do when they want to do something.

[@SuperSilvi1990]

And people STILL hate on GM. "Well... it's a knockoff Ferrari 458" How is that a bad thing???

[@jareknowak8712]

Money can do a lot.

[@panzer_TZ]

I'm not much of a fan of American cars, but the C8, Bronco, Pacifica, new RAM 1500, etc shows what the big 3 can create when they put some fucking effort into it.The more I learn about this C8 in particular, the more I'm impressed with it and GM.

[@pontiacGXPfan]

Seems they want to be mediocre

[@nerychristian]

If only they would make an racing version of the Sonic.

[@florinvid]

"that's what makes this a far batter street car than a track car" - well that's exactly what we want Mark. 90% of the average Joe's watching this channel, that are also car enthusiasts, and hope to eventually own this as a pre-owned, don't go to the track. Beautiful looking Corvette, I imagine it would shine in the twisties. Great review sir!

[@onlinealias622]

I live on a twisty road, and I see a few different c8s ripping down the road regularly. I wish I had one to drive lol, but I still have fun pushing my Elantra irresponsibly fast

[@jacksparrow5281]

If you want a track car buy a dedicated race car.

[@SireEvalish]

This is something that Mark, and frankly a lot of car reviewers, seem to have a hard time understanding. I live in MI. A hard-edged driver's car is going to be great...for about five minutes. If I'm driving something every day, I want it to ride well, be refined, and not punish me for wanting to drive it. The C7 wasn't terrible at that, but the C8 seems to take it to another level.

[@grantapalooza998]

Toyota: it costs too much to make our own sports car, we need to partner with Subaru and BMW. Gm: we made a mid engined Corvette for 60k Mazda: we developed a specific platform for a Miata even though we're a small company for 25k Toyotas excuse is bs

[@tjk9263]

Toyota is one of the biggest car companies on the planet and you are right to say their excuse of not building a sports car because it costs too much is laughable. They could have easily put way more engineering and power into the BRZ and made it into a Japanese M4.

[@tjk9263]

@Nissan370Z Glass They have more than enough bank to take chances and still be a very profitable company.

[@mikeh2812]

Toyota knows they won’t make the money back on a dedicated “enthusiast” car. Probably also the rest of the corporate culture looks down on the performance engineering division beyond putting TRD badges on highlanders. Gotta admire GM and Mazduh for trying

[@ProbeGT2]

You are correct, BUT When toyota engineer their cars, they put all their effort and money there, instead of producing Fleet shitboxes overpriced and unreliable, to make enough profit to build a nice sportscar so people forget they produce overpriced shitboxes. I drive a 2020 Duramax Canyon Denali. I like it very much, but it is an overpriced shitbox. Why i bought it? No one else offert a mid size diesel.

[@TheKaisarwilhelm]

I love my Mazda, but to be fair Fiat is helping subsidize the development cost of the ND.

[@pchae1]

It's great seeing Jack's camera composure completely change from when he first started. His hard work and dedication paid off, dude looks smooth as hell now with the conversation. Great addition to the team!

[@lastwhtknight3002]

Hes a little too smug for my taste. A know it all... Very full of himself. Pompous.

[@Adrian913af]

When you haven't even watched the video but hit the like button because you know you're gonna be pleased with the level of craftsmanship you put into these videos

[@rishik4596]

1000%

[@_VelociDad]

But then you watch the whole video and are even more satisfied with SG’s epic level of attention to detail. 😁👍

[@FooFahFoeFum]

THEY ARE NOT IN BUSINESS TO MAKE GREAT CARS. THEY ARE IN BUSINESS TO MAKE PROFITS FOR THEIR SHAREHOLDERS.

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

You guys knew you had to get this one right. GM must've blindfolded their accounting department while they developed this. I hope they sell a million Trax's on the back of the C8

[@freeautoinsurance365]

this car is what pontiac wanted the fiero to be but didnt do it because it was out of the development cost budget

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

Not really, no. If you read some articles, GM explains how they were able to do this. It’s basically dispersing all of the research and development costs over many years and many different types of models.

[@ChunkyBunny2]

@Mar Blox You sure? I swear I've seen one on the road already

[@trashbandit2449]

@Mar Blox multiple people have seen them on the road yet. As in, thousands and thousands are already out and driving. They started making them in February I think

[@trashbandit2449]

@Mar Blox that's really weird. Someone already saw one in my city and it's not that big

[@LawrenceMarkFearon]

Wow this is Savagegees at it's superlative finest. Saved for my Saturday prime time viewing and was not disappointed. No where else can I get this kind of deep analytical impression and testing.

[@cardiffgiant9406]

Agreed, I only found SG looking at Bullitt Mustang reviews and being an engineer I LOVE the in depth details they go to. I hate these reviews that just use their phone and spout out the corporate press release waffle.

[@lastwhtknight3002]

I'm actually watching this Sat night 8pm. Prime time viewing for me too!

[@deanchur]

Was waiting for Corvette guy :( "I'm rich, why is this a problem!"

[@stephencain3467]

That one and the Subaru one are my favorites

[@TheImperfectGuy]

@@stephencain3467 Those are great, but I'm personally in love with Jungle Power

[@obamacarreviews1043]

THE CHROME

[@rashadarbab2769]

I like the one where his wife left him.

[@mikeh2812]

He’s busy expanding his Applebee’s outdoor dining area. Problems with the contractor

[@michaelw6277]

What’s remarkable about this review is that every single time a new Corvette comes out every publication goes on and on about how the new one is vastly superior to the old one like it was never any good to begin with, and SG is like.... “nah, the old one is more fun.”

[@Hellblaue210]

I think its wrong of him to be saying this about this model of the c8. Wait for the zo6 which is likely going to have a ton more hp and noise and a convertible. Let him try that one and say its no fun.

[@stephencain3467]

That’s because the c7 was the like the Porsche 911 decades of a tweaked and refined platform this is all new for Chevrolet give them a generation or two when it’s not new and it’s second nature for all the people designing and engineering it

[@Lawlsforlawls]

@@Hellblaue210 to be fair, its not like he's comparing the c8 stingray to the c7 z06, he compared it to the GS which is a fine and valid comparison. And who knows, we might find out the c8 z06 isn't as "connected" and "wild" as the c7 variant. Only time will tell.

[@hollywoodcheremonkey]

Soft, is what he said. Not a drivers’ car. Reliability issues and expensive repair. They talked shit where they needed to. I liked that.

[@stephencain3467]

Mar Blox ok boomer

[@henrycruz45cal]

The new one is for me. A GT car that I can take to the track twice a year. Perfect But I'll wait a yr or two for the kinks to be worked out. Never get the first gen of any car.

[@MrMeoow91]

Honda Executives must be beating themselves up right now. This is what Honda should had done to the NSX. Shame...

[@masonmax1000]

lol facts but that's what happens when they don't listen to the consumer

[@mrtopcat2]

@Nissan370Z Glass Most cars interior is horrible these days. Like designed by a bunch of kindergartners. Honestly I'm not crazy about the interior of this Corvette either. It looks like the passenger is excluded from the ride. Like this is a loners car or something. I for sure would not want to drive my wife or friends like this.

[@carlitoxb110]

@@mrtopcat2 NSX interior is specially ugly

[@mrtopcat2]

@@carlitoxb110 I agree 100% and was about to mention it in my post. I don't know if it is me getting too old or the younger generation (who these cars seem to target) is having no idea about cars and design. Maybe playing too much of those futuristic video games does something to people's perception about design. I certainly won't buy a car like that. My wife and I just bought a BMW 440i, because we could not stand the upcoming new G22 design. Look up Frank Stephenson's KZbin Channel. I'm not to promoting his channel, he does not need promotion. He used to be chief designer of BMW. His channel seems to be a side hobby to him and a favor for us enthusiasts.

[@turbodarkle]

@@mrtopcat2 it's supposed to be driver centered interior. This is desired by any true driving enthusiast

[@JoJoJoker]

High Points of 2020: - Mid-engine Corvette

[@cptnoremac]

@Rubedo Alaberti Nah, I think "2020 sure sucks, amirite, guys?" comments have gotten more than enough kudos this year.

[@kevinanderson9752]

A bunch of jabronies who haven't driven one.

[@Blue_Flame_Raptor]

-bronco reveal

[@HellsJerome87]

- Bronco

[@burgerbandit3646]

- Obama's last name

[@johnr7794]

We picked up our 2023 3LT Non Z51 HTC with magnetic ride, front lift, performance exhaust, Carbon Flash wheels, low spoiler, top, nacelles, mirrors, side blades, and rockers which look great on the Arctic White vehicle on 08/10/23. It replaced our 2008 3LT convertible with the NPP exhaust and manual transmission. I thought I would miss the manual transmission but this vehicle performs so well that is not an issue. I have been driving for 64 years, started on the back roads of the Upper Peninsula in Michigan, and this is by far the best vehicle I have ever driven and am privileged to own.

[@nirmitshukla2034]

The automotive content on YT the last couple years has been phenomenal. From SG, the Straight Pipes boys, Throttle House, Donut Media, etc... no better time to be a car enthusiast than now

[@UnWrecked]

There are a good bit of smaller channels putting out really good content as well.....hint hint

[@nirmitshukla2034]

@@UnWrecked always looking for new channels :) I'm a Volvo guy so I follow Shifting Lanes and a few others also... Anyone else, please feel free to post up your favorites :)

[@UnWrecked]

I was hinting my own channel but ok lol.

[@nirmitshukla2034]

@@UnWrecked I subscribed :)

[@kevinnorris6558]

UnWrecked Ah I see you

[@7dragongames]

Setting my altar, lighting my candles, and praying to God for a Pontiac heritage edition with giant gold chicken on hood.

[@RickTrajan]

Would it glow from green to pink?

[@nickk2792]

Agreed 1000, Percent

[@garyg7145]

I too shall make ritual sacrifice of Coors beer and epic mustaches while praying for this to happen.

[@nickk2792]

Go see worldwide trans am or year one for some nice stuff year one under ghost works garage

[@S85B50Engine]

Wait a minute, gold chicken? Isn't that the logo on the Century?

[@theussoul]

Really honest guys. "Get the longest warranty you can possibly afford." "Agreed."

[@campkira]

end to end warrrenty..

[@mybro727]

They’re a group of GM haters. That was almost ridiculous to say solely because it’s GM you should get a warranty. I don’t know any manufacturer that’s produced a vehicle of this caliber and level of performance that you wouldn’t want a great warranty for. To say GM doesn’t have a history of making reliable cars was a very far reach. I see why GM doesn’t work with these guys, they’re biased.

[@theussoul]

@@mybro727 What about Ferrari? Does it make great cars? Yes. Does it make reliable cars? No. You are confused with performance and reliability. You can deny GM's history all day but its history doesn't change. You're biased.

[@mybro727]

@@theussoul Now _I’m_ biased? Smh. What a joke. I’m not here to argue with a cult of delusional critics that want to mull over the alleged “history” of a brand and it’s “bad reputation” because that’s the only controversial thing they could muster up about this car. Instead of being transparent, unbiased, and honest with this review and admitting this car will be much easier to maintain than a Ferrari Italia, Acura NSX, Porsche 911 Carrera S, or Mercedes-Benz AMG GT and will be a fraction of the initial price and what they’ll pay over the course of ownership. In case you haven’t noticed, this ain’t Ferrari. The only person that’s confused and biased is *you.*

[@theussoul]

@@mybro727 Just move on. Nobody's denying it's such a great car. I have nothing to do with it anyway. Once I realized I couldn't afford any of such high performance cars, I'm not interested anymore. What's for lunch is more important to me. If you can, go get it and enjoy it and laugh at all those GM bashers.

[@tomt3533]

Work and time required for just a couple of seconds of a shot in this video is on a whole different level in terms of skill, dedication and passion. Savagegeese deserves a lot more subs.

[@anthonycastelluci9225]

The release of this car is a proud day for American cars all the way around.

[@jasont.9559]

No it's not. It's more like a polished turd. A polished GM turd. No thanks. How long until the taxpayers have to foot the bill for this...again?! Pfff.

[@brandondogoncrack8907]

Who cares I'd rather my tax dollars go to this and the engineering of the like, instead of someone's unearned or unjustified "disabilty"........

[@freedeworld]

Brandon Dogoncrack why would you think it’s this or that? Could be used for many other better cause

[@thomas0086]

Brandon Dogoncrack There is more than enough to money for all of us to get a UBI, health care and housing, complaining about tax money going to the “disabled”....I hope you don’t think that the disabled and those on unemployment even make a dent in the available funds, if so you have been mislead. Its not unemployment, the disabled or immigration. It’s America’s capitalism. You can’t possibly see trillions handed to the top 1 percent in a week and think that even those with minor disabilities who happen to qualify somehow are a waste of your money. Plus doctors must be involved in the claims etc, the number of people who get through who don’t have some sort of issue is extremely minuscule at best. There is never enough for social systems but always enough for war, not war for safety but war for corporate gain only. So they use those bullshit excuses as scapegoats as to why there isn’t enough. To many people getting 600 a week. While some of those cunts getting 20 mil a year and have 10 yachts. 80 percent of Stock market owned by top 10 percent. Their policies are why 50 mil + are unemployed. Denmark, Germany etc their leaders are either to scared of the populace or actual care. Nationalized corp, froze the economy, paid business expenses and 75 percent salary, kept people fed, in homes and safe. But here ? They rather prop up zombie companies that are run on shuffling around debt while they gorge on the profit. Oil companies, airlines, billions in profit year after year, begging on knees for money in two weeks. Culture among the citizens, what some do, isn’t perfect but make sure you see the big paradigms affecting our own. I’ve assumed a lot here, that I realize, so if I’m wrong, I’m wrong. But talk like that sometimes indicate a disdain for those subsets. Focus on those subsets is exactly what those bastards want while they steal our time, our labor, our money and manipulate us. Peace.

[@philstaples8122]

@@thomas0086 Read some Thomas Sowell, you may change some of your views, some I actually agree with though and so does he.

[@TingTingMelody]

32min just flew by, typical of SG quality

[@jonasmcmillan]

Take that, Motor Trend!

[@sooperman12]

Finally saw a C8 in person, in red, and the car was stunning. Can't believe an American company made this vehicle. Pictures and video don't do it justice.

[@pjfan173]

sooperman12 I thought the exact same thing the other day when I saw one coming towards me. I thought it was a Ferrari

[@johnmandragon4830]

I am in the UK and have not seen one in the flesh but I think we can all agree that this a very impressive product and a very very good looking car.

[@jordiguardado4850]

Saw one 2 days ago in grey👍

[@jordiguardado4850]

@R35R8Z06 nice

[@pjfan173]

sooperman12 I bought. 2017 Grand Sport Black on Black last year after watching videos on the C8. I’ve never owned a non daily driver. I don’t believe what an unbelievable car it is. As crazy good as the C8 is right now, it’ll only get better just like the C7 did over the years

[@KealeyOnCars]

As a former C7 owner, and someone who recently drove a C8 on track: agree with just about everything Mark & Jack said. If they can refine the break by wire feel, and get rid of that understeer I think they’ll make a car that is an absolute monster on the track. Hope the ZO6 fixes those issues.

[@07wrxtr1]

Agreed; Allegedly the "track alignment" is negative 3 degrees of front camber, so I'm wondering what else they can do?

[@KevinSmith-qi5yn]

There is a reason most non-open wheel race cars are either front engine or rear engine. Mid engine sounds nice on paper, but it has issues when you try to ramp up power.

[@hwyfools]

@@07wrxtr1 This design allowing for camber adjustment (track alignment) out of the box. Not having to spend on camber plates is a win.

[@joe718gt4]

@@KevinSmith-qi5yn except all LMP1, DPi, LMP2, LMP3 cars; basically all recent GTE cars like the 488 GTE, 911 RSR, C8R, Ford GT; front midship GTE cars like the Vantage GTE, C7R, M8 GTE; and almost all GT3 cars

[@lukechamberlain7531]

But this is just a base model, they're gonna change the steering for the higher models like they did on the c7 z06 and zr1 Chevy knows track focused people are going to go higher up then the base

[@LeOubreJr]

Just wait till the zo6 review. That’ll be insane.

[@anaglez5383]

Yep

[@jeffpesos6554]

No other KZbinr that can make me watch a full video on a car that I wasn't interested in

[@jon-paulcooper8336]

Thank you, me three

[@user-ch5ij5yd2g]

jon-paul cooper xD

[@timothycc711]

As a Ford guy...I have to admit all Corvette's are very attractive. This C8 mid engine car is really awesome. The price is actually reasonable. Of course no one does a better car review then Jack and Mark. You guys are the shit!

[@rjwintl]

"are the bomb" !!!

[@Viper3048]

Great to see someone that isn't a total brand snob and can actually admit to liking something that's not his typical "flavor". I commend you good sir. +1 respect

[@xbox627]

you are not a FORD guy...you just happen to drive a FORD

[@ueehurstonsecurity8887]

@@xbox627 thats not true, you can totally be that type of guy, i drive a ford sports car myself but i am a Porsche guy. ill argue to the death that Porsche is the way to go. and honestly i think the hottest car by them for the price and just driveability is the Cayman GT4. i got to drive a Turbo S/ a GT3 RS stick from 2010 era and also a newer 2016 era GT3 RS with the PDK. and even know it would lose to those in a race the Cayman GT4 had the most character to me, i would buy that, and upgrade it as i saw fit. you rly cant say what kind of brand you love untill you try many many brands. i got lucky my job allowed that. my runner up is on the opposite side of the spectrum with the Viper ACR, very exciting car. and the faster you drive it the safer it feels. its the only car i have drove where you can feel downforce working like black and white. as if you flipped a button and clicked downforce ON, when you get up near 100mph. anyhow sry for bugging you i just thought maybe that experience might change your stance on saying you cant be a "insert brand here" GUY

[@Dolby109]

On the manuals: GM claimed 13% of C7 sales where manual, but (from memory) some company actually checked based on the vin's and it was more like 23%. I think the final 2 years where the lowest manual take rate though. I think the C8 is great, but basically not interested in an automatic, even if it's a good one.

[@j.3854]

GM wanted a reason to put that flamboyant, spaceship nonsense of a center console.

[@Dolby109]

@@j.3854 Some have said it's the best layout they've seen. I think probably once you get used to it, it would be a good design.

[@pauljohnson962]

Dolby109 I understand the love and loyalty towards a manual but you are missing out on a fantastic car.

[@Dolby109]

@@pauljohnson962 If it had a manual it would very likely be the most fantastic car for the money. But without one it isn't, the Cayman, or Camaro SS/ZL1 1LE, or GT350R is.

[@mikemulvany3325]

23% manual take rate is the number I've seen from three previous sources. Of course I cannot cite them (when it would be helpful, like now)

[@Firegod1234]

"Internet Clickbait" with Streetspeed717's page in the background, lol. Shots fired!

[@TheJalopy80]

AGrandahl Timestamp?

[@802Garage]

Haven't watched him in probably 2 years. Couldn't stand the clickbait.

[@aviatorsdream4686]

Yea Streetdickhead717s content has basically always been that

[@92ASC]

@@aviatorsdream4686 every video is him doing a couple pulls on the same back roads, trip to Dunkin Donuts, then to InShane designs to show off his merch for his latest giveaway raffle, rinse/repeat.

[@jsiszero]

It's true, I don't understand the appeal of his channel. It's same old characters, but with different cars.

[@dannoyes4493]

GM invests time, money, engineering with a focus and ends up with a car that's sold out, and has the potential to be their most profitable iteration. A lesson to be learned? I have yet to drive a C8, with all the upgrades, etc., but I gotta say, this thing has the potential to kick the crap out of everything else. I love mid-engine cars. For me, I would still have to give the C6 ZO6 the top award... the performance and capabilities of that thing still blows me away. I can't wait to get my C8, as I took your advice and potentially bought one.

[@pontiacGXPfan]

this thing is a potential to be an enormous letdown like the Dallas Cowboys every single season

[@paisis123]

Isnt Corvette Chevy?

[@dannoyes4493]

@@pontiacGXPfan Why limit it to just the Cowboys? All of Dallas is a letdown, municipal porn with no socially redeeming factors.

[@pontiacGXPfan]

@@dannoyes4493 because the Cowboys are the so-called "America's team" but never once do they have better than a mediocre season every year. Judging America by that standard it doesn't really aim for anything better than mediocre

[@pontiacGXPfan]

@@paisis123 yeah and this is the problem. The rest of Chevrolet's lineup is disposable shit and they don't deserve credit for building a counterfeit Eurotrash car when they can barely build a decent transmission

[@CommandoMaster]

Can't wait to pick one of these up potentially in a few years when they depreciate and the hype dies down.

[@craigthescott5074]

Yep I’m saving for a used C8 Z06 haaaa they haven’t even come out yet.

[@followthegrow108]

Good luck. C7s are still 40k.

[@followthegrow108]

Id rather have a Cayman tho.

[@joshuaalan7580]

I wish more people understood that the C8 understeers from the factory on purpose. Could you imagine if this thing was 488 or even 911 levels of tail-happy and your throttle-happy granpappy caught that oversnappy and got wrappy around a tree because the closest thing he's ever driven to a sports car is the LLV mail carrier he's been mobbing for the last 30 years? It makes complete and total sense and I'm all for tame factory cars so long as it can be tuned out with some suspension adjustments.

[@watchandjewelryloft4713]

yep. Really tired of how the Corvette gets examined under a microscope and others get praised simply for showing up. 99.9% of auto "journalist" make me cringe.

[@mdg4ut]

I got the tail to come around a bit, then tamed it with a touch of counter steer! Signed, Throttle-Happy Grandpappy! I’m guessing these guys know their stuff, but the criticism of the C8’s track performance didn’t match the middle-of-the-track video they were slicing to.

[@amazoidal]

You fix that with a little negative camber.

[@848evo4]

@@watchandjewelryloft4713 99.9% of auto journalist can't drive for shit, I've seen that in person working in the supercar world.

[@GHinWI]

Reality is, modern sports cars are so powerful and fast, they’re waaay too dangerous for the average consumer w/o electronic restrictions etc.

[@backroadreviews7353]

As the owner of a C7 GS 7sp manual I must say you just confirmed exactly what I have suspected for a while. I live in KY and attended the "release party" at the Corvette Museum. The engineers were there answering questions. I pressed several of them with specific questions regarding the C8's handling and the more specific I got the more I was convinced it was not a better driver's car. Not one of them would come out and say anything bad about the new car but I left the event with the feeling that the C7 was the superior handling car based on the things they would not say. I also felt this same way when track times were released and they were only marginally better than the C7. It never made sense that the C8 is so much quicker in a straight line, with a quicker shifting transmission, new tire technology etc. was only getting marginally better lap times. To me it was further proof that cornering speeds in the C7 had to be higher. All this being said I am glad the new car exists and I have high hopes for the future versions but your video makes me extremely happy I did not trade my manual trans C7. BTW the video quality and cinematography was horrid. Don't quit your day jobs. ;-)

[@gb2828]

I have a dear friend, a former (Engineering) Director with GM, that has both a C7 and a C8 (not too mention a couple of other Corvettes) HE would agree with your statement entirely. Off the record, he's not terribly fond of the C8 design, aside from it's good looks, and "promises" that transmission troubles lie directly ahead for anyone who really drives their C8, aggressively !!

[@panthersfan8494]

The C7 was a beast in the handling/cornering department so there really wasn’t much to improve on, you also have to keep in mind this review was without the other performance packages/models, wait until the Z06/ZR1/hybrid models come out, GM couldn’t of made the base C8 a perfect car, thats what the performance models are for. I have heard otherwise though about the C8, I’ve heard its one of the best handling/cornering cars of all time... way better than the C7 so take that with a grain of salt. I think people are just being nit picky, the base C8 looks and drives better than 98% of sports cars/exotics out there all while being more reliable for a cheaper price.

[@captainminecraftist]

ok but the new zo6 is gonna have 345 width tyres and 670 hp. That should fix any laptime issues I think lol

[@craigthescott5074]

I actually own a C7 Z06 manual car and a C8 HTC Z51 automatic and I would disagree. The C8 out handles my C7 but my C7 Z06 is brutally more powerful. The problem being it has a problem getting all the power to the ground and the C8 has no problem. They are both great cars but I’m never selling my C7 Z06 it’s the last of the manual cars. 0:02

[@captainminecraftist]

@@craigthescott5074 Only thing is the first c8 model is understeery af. A friend drove one and said you can just turn in and floor it mid turn and it wont let you crash or oversteer much which is great in its own way. but also kinda boring compared to other cars. Just doesnt seem to have the grip in the front. You expereicned that at all?

[@DDM7406]

Mark went on a jog before he drove the car? He looks like he's in a sauna

[@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt]

He was thinking about being side by side at a red light with a grandmother in a Subaru Forester next to him, and the ground is wet from morning dew or a recent rain. No chance he's going to beat grandma to the next light. Now a GT-R, Porsche, Audi, BMW M5, Mercedes E63S, ... cars that understand why the fluck you use AWD... they will leave grandma in the dust.... or in this case, muddy rain.

[@backroadblast6603]

@@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt awd cars are great, but I haven’t driven one at the price range of the C8 that really got me excited. That said, I’m not SUPER excited about the C8 because it’s so sort of numb.

[@zachg9065]

I think once the Z06 C8 comes out, it will be an absolute animal on the track, this is a great effort for the first generation mid engine car.

[@hilltop1972]

The car guy's car show. Love this channel

[@1338-c9s]

Amongst all the other thousand channels lol

[@junaidmd]

Totally agreed . After watching the reviews here, rest of the channels feel superficial and too shallow to say the least

[@johnmandragon4830]

I thank them for trusting us with the level of detail that they go in to. It isn't just burnouts and drifting, it is detail and explanation. One of the best motoring channels out there.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

They have woman 👩 working at Savage Geese. 😉

[@gibranntv5078]

RayS2able H

[@chrisdennis7563]

Imagine what the higher end versions are going to be like when they come out. The base model was made for the 60+ year olds ready to cruise with their wife in a nice car that sounds good. Let's see the racecars!

[@mikemulvany3325]

Hearing that the Z06 will be a 600 H.P., normally-aspirated, flat-plane crank monster. Sign me up!

[@Pmtd1234]

I am in the order queue for a Z06 Convertible. Hope it is as good as the projections indicate! By the way I am 70+ and put quite a few laps on my C5R-427 at Road Atlanta, as I will in the C8 Z06.

[@chrisdennis7563]

@@Pmtd1234 major props to you sir! That is badass!!!

[@Pmtd1234]

@@chrisdennis7563 You only go this way once! By the way my wife was my co-pilot at every track event.

[@alyandjake9090]

@@Pmtd1234 drive on old timer 🤘

[@Meatwad650]

1. This is an amazing piece of content. I don’t see how you don’t have 2 mil subs. 2. GM misses out by not cooperating with you.

[@sulfuricanaljuice3994]

GM misses out by making unreliable piles

[@PeterSz73]

@Nissan370Z Glass this, I think this makes the video amazing. They did not take a car from the automaker like all the other guys do so they could give an honest review and it shows! I watched every suckup c8 video under the sun and still learned new things watching this one. I could go on and on about how first MY videos praise the shit out of every car... they are like disguised marketing material.

[@thundrune1554]

They “miss” out on GM participation because they don’t fanboy all over these cars. If you watch the video closely, especially the end, you cannot escape that the C8 is underwhelming at this step. In the track it had track alignment, gyrodisc brakes, and a custom exhaust, yet a stock C7 GS with a manual DESTROYED this thing. Those are just the facts of the review.

[@scottandrews4822]

Great idea on #2. Savagegeese - on the next video about the C8, could you have a GM performance engineer talking about the car, how improvements were made, and the different performance related available packages, like the Z51 package that have a PROFOUND effect on handling and braking?

[@scottandrews4822]

@Thundrune I feel that the C8 used in this video was NOT a good example to use against a highly developed C7 Grand Sport, as the C8 used did NOT have the factory Z51 package on it; as he discussed, this package contains numerous components that affect handling and braking. Instead, Savagegeese used a C8 with a FEW owner modified components, and there is no way of knowing if this is what a GM enginer would have done. The Z51 package is much more complete and, given a C8 Z51 and a stock C7 GS, I feel that the results would be in the C8 Z51's favor..This video was not a fair test and handcuffed the C8. It was like taking an older Mike Tyson and putting him against an Golden Gloves champion without any training on how to handle boxers like MT.

[@johndonhoff5915]

This is the only c8 video I trust. I love the honesty out of SG

[@inikkor61]

Not a press car helped

[@esportsfolding1775]

4:51 "they nerfed a race car and turned it into a street car" Well color me impressed, Jack is a gamer!! I wonder what games tho... :)

[@Btburkhardt]

World of Warcraft for sure

[@masterdriveroftoyotazupr4164]

"Basically you can drive the car upside down" *Mustang owners sweat profusely*

[@bbob114]

😂😂😂😂

[@andyholstein237]

Speaking of which, I love the teaser of the GT500 at the end.

[@Dowlphin]

If the downforce allows it. 😄

[@jasonyoung6420]

Mark come one, you're supposed to pan the C7, especially the Manual transmission version; gotta bring those resale values down so I can snag one cheap second hand. Edit: delivers C8 final thoughts in a GT500.

[@codytaylor942]

Best review of a C8 I have seen so far. Driver's drivers who are seeking the visceral.

[@pontiacGXPfan]

video game drivers who can't shift without using a computer as a crutch

[@aceofspades6667]

JFC that intro from da Goose and Jack Sing... I thought i was watching a movie but instead of Ford vs. Ferrari it was C8 vs C7... The quality and production value these two bring is way way underappreciated. In a perfect world it would be Goose + Jack + Turbowski + Andie The Lab + The Straight Pipe doing daily content from every track capable car on the planet from Watkins Glen. I literally would watch that all day erry day.

[@onthemoney8356]

How did Chevy make the Vette so beautiful inside and out? This car is stunning on every level. I'm seriously considering buying one.

[@joesillamanrs7189]

I own a 2019 C7 GS love it. Although I am stoked for what a C8 GS would look like

[@chrisH-uv5wx]

I was REALLY expecting Turbowski to come out for this one

[@Bmwguy2011]

He appears to be gone.

[@komahoby]

In GM's defence, I believe they will eventually do a twin turbo model with this one. They gave customers plenty of room for that application back there, but i think they want to test the platform for a few years and fix any weak points before producing one with a warranty to boot.

[@sterlingsilver320]

komahoby He was talking about Scott Turbowski. Not turbocharging lmao

[@Peterdinh3]

I'm glad he didn't. Jack offers much more insight and knowledge about the cars while Turbowski kinda just sat there while boss talked.

[@thebikevoid2732]

Turbowski really never added any value. All the best to him, but Jack is so much more engaging.

[@jpatterson27]

I work at an Autozone, I had a Boomer come in yesterday wearing a Corvette shirt and hat, buying C5 parts. I asked him about the C8 and he immediately scoffed, "It's too European, I don't like any of that crap." Absolute gold.

[@tcroft2165]

Facepalm

[@HallsoftheSummer]

that's hilarious. imagine not knowing the history of your own car

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

@@HallsoftheSummer Corvair, right? Damn Ralph Nader..

[@phillm156]

It will be European expensive to maintain.

[@Sirkillsalot22X]

It's a good thing that the C8 is controversial among boomers. The less old fat blokes I see clogging up the left lane going 10mph under with gaudy chrome wheels, the better the Corvette's reputation will be and the less common it'll be.

[@slash11lipo]

A friend of mine let me drive his C8 Z51 and I was so damn excited and just knew I'd be blown away. After a 30 minute drive pushing it pretty hard I climbed out of the car and I wasn't disappointed, but it wasn't nearly as much fun to drive as my 2018 Camaro SS 6 speed. I was so pleased so hear Mark's comments because they perfectly aligned with mine. I am glad I got to drive it because I can strike it off my buy list.

[@abcdLeeXY]

While most brand skim R&D on their sports cars, I’m glad GM is still passionate about this small niche segment. Yes, I’m still bitter at how Toyota/Lexus are doing things.

[@Larkc-ty5sz]

They probably need this for the halo effect since all of their other product are utterly pieces of shit. Toyota doesn't need a sports car to be successful. They don't need to make the new supra, it wouldn't even happen if they weren't working with BMW. None of this is the manufactures fault, is their job to be profitable. People can rant all they want but the customer's behavior is the most honest and the fact is nobody is buying sports cars. Just be happy that some manufacturers are still making them.

[@sunsinger970]

Because people care about the corvette and it will SELL more than anything Japan can even dream of.

[@Larkc-ty5sz]

@@sunsinger970 its because chevy needs this to cover up all the other pos they build. the Japanese capture that crowd back in the 90s and now they don't need sports cars to sharpen the brand image.

[@weedmastersr]

@@Larkc-ty5sz No, this will outsell the Supra 10 to 1. The Japanese don't make cool cars anymore, other than a few Lexus models.

[@Larkc-ty5sz]

@@weedmastersr you know why, cuz its their job to be profitable, and they are more successful selling reliable cars. take away the c8 what is left of chevy? A pile of shit. Chevy need this to go well, Toyota sees the supra as a passion project, it wouldn't even happen without BMW. They will be just as successful with or without the supra.

[@omarlucman5768]

Love it or hate it, you got respect gm for what they did. They couldve just made the same front engined low volume sportscar and keep selling SUVs for profit but they still invested on this platform

[@MidEngine4Life]

Some real car guys giving the C7 love when everyone else is bagging on it compared to the C8

[@andrewd5354]

I think the corvette is having a midlife crisis

[@Dholi1]

That's probably the most fitting description I've read when it comes to it's exterior design.

[@pontiacGXPfan]

And that midlife crisis resulted in a lobotomy

[@SavageTriple7]

as is tradition

[@pontiacGXPfan]

@@SavageTriple7 whatever happened to sticking with what works? It's already been proven that chasing the youth market is not a long-term sales recipe. Scion tried it and now they're gone

[@adamhensley1118]

@@pontiacGXPfan harley is also going away and they appeal to older people

[@NisuUuno]

The Grand Sport version of this will be epic. Though for road use, which 90% of the owners will do, this is already epic. Cant wait to see them in Europe.

[@anonjohnnyG]

its a gimmick

[@RCXDerp]

@@anonjohnnyG I've got a GT350 so I'm no Chebby fan but these seem more appealing than a GT500

[@anonjohnnyG]

@@RCXDerp They basically destroyed the vette pedigree with this car. Automatic, mid engined and soft. The stangs are still within their lineage. They should have had this car as a new model not a corvette. They made the same mistake toyota did with the supra.

[@sulfuricanaljuice3994]

@@anonjohnnyG Mustang Mach E is foreshadowing for the old pony

[@anonjohnnyG]

@@sulfuricanaljuice3994 yea true, at least for now its a different model but well see what happens. I dont drive american cars either way though lol.

[@Fasthandsslowlaptimes]

im so glad you guys included an actual track review for this! My biggest complaint about youtube car reviews is that they're talking about it in the context of pulling 2Gs in the intersection on the way to get groceries. I hope you include more track reviews in the future!

[@SanidhyaKPatel]

I think this one is 2020's most awaited video on KZbin✌️✌️ Atleast for automotive nerds.

[@mooredann69]

Move over KZbin rewind.

[@taylorc2542]

This car is incredible. I can't believe they did this for 60k.

[@SSDracerSD]

Awesome way to start my Friday! Morning coffee and Corvette it is.

[@PaulStewart28]

Me too good sir

[@chriscarter2]

It's refreshing to hear your honest opinion. Seems like you enjoy driving the C7 GS much more. Makes me want to go hop in my C7 Z06 and take it for a spin!

[@glovedcop69]

"The longest warranty you can afford". Lol 😂

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

A ringing endorsement of GM and their decades of Chinese-quality shitboxes.

[@Texas_Cruiser]

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH lol

[@campkira]

yeah you want the max that warrenty since when it out that when all the shit go broke... american build...

[@thedudeabides1443]

Mandatory for a GM product that will eventually fall apart like the piece of crap that it is.

[@10Tenths]

If Savagegeese is impressed then you know you've done something right! Good job GM credit where credit's due 👏

[@PeterSz73]

Did you even watch the video? They were impressed by the technical achievement at the price but they called to car soft and not a driver's car.

[@rolandsaucier1006]

Best and most thorough review that I have seen. Very well done.

[@300zxdriver]

You just sold a lot of C7s.

[@dmaassizzle]

It’s crazy how nice and how bad C8’s can look. That white one looks incredible

[@MajorKaoss]

As a 2020 C8 owner I will say hat is one of the best videos I've seen. Pros and Cons were fair. I have the Z51 package and plan on tracking it -- but until then, man, I am a rock star. I live in a town approaching a million people an have yet to see another C8. Everywhere I go people get excited about. Thumbs up, picture taking, flashing their...... maybe not. Ceramic gray, shiny tridents - pretty cool.

[@69FOSTER]

How do you find the rear visibility and getting in and out of the driver seat? Is the center column of buttons something that an owner would get used to? Thanks.

[@titostacos114]

@@69FOSTER rear visibility is not a big deal if you have the 2lt package i would recommend getting something 2lt and above due to the blind spot monitoring even though i can confidently drive it without it the peace of mind of having it is worth the extra money. also getting in and out is not difficult at all once your used to it

[@69FOSTER]

@@titostacos114 Thank you, good to know rear visibility is not a deal breaker. I would probably opt for the 3LT package. BTW, I love Tito's Tacos in Culver City.

[@warren_r]

31:16 Jack Singapore, waiting calmly, at a traffic light.

[@lego4virgo]

That in itself, is a first.

[@chriscowan6630]

The cinematography soundtrack & content blow me away....absolutely great review Sirs!

[@davefletcher3888]

Gotta love that Predator sound effect when the camera switches to B&W!

[@eppyz]

How can an "Icon" such as a Corvette be labeled a "knock off" WTF??? The Corvette is a LEGEND. Chevy made us (American's) Proud by building this new Corvette. Bravo Chevy.....Bravo 👍👍👍👍👍👍😎

[@CrudeOilisOrganicYouKnow]

Whoa, get that flag off your private parts right now! This car has ZERO in common with last years corvette except the name. If you think that LEGEND comes with the name you should be so excited about the blazer. (Embarrassing POS)

[@eppyz]

@@CrudeOilisOrganicYouKnow i disagree with you. Yes the new Corvette is "new" but the fundamental idea of an affordable sports car that dates back to the 50s is still there and that's what makes the Corvette a legend to this day. As for the mentioned Blazer? That proves GM isn't perfect haha but they got the Corvette right 👍 And my Flag is flying outside my house not my pants by the way 🇺🇸

[@CrudeOilisOrganicYouKnow]

@@eppyz I think that what they are referring to is that because they went mid-engine, they are trying to copy the big guys, McLaren, Fiat/Ferrari VW/Lambo but you are correct about bang for buck, Way ahead of anything in it's league. It is doing to mid-engine pricing what GT-R did to supercar performance/dollar

[@br33zy771]

@@CrudeOilisOrganicYouKnow Chevrolet has wanted to build a mid-engine corvette since the 60's! This is a dream of some engineers at Chevrolet since then. This car isn't a copy or anything like that. Car engineers know for the track mid-engine is king. The true car geeks at Chevrolet finally got their way.

[@Hashbrowniepie]

last time I was this early Turbowski was still here

[@pabauza]

SG your review was worth the wait and all the commercials. No one is doing this in depth and unbiased review. I'm not a C8 customer but I may be in the future. Thanks

[@iNeverHadMercy]

"Affordable Supercar of The New Millenium"

[@jsiszero]

Except for the maintenance costs because it is mid-engined lol

[@nsa6790]

Mike McGlock As someone who’s family member who works at Chevy and has worked on the c8 already, it’s actually incredibly cheap!

[@iNeverHadMercy]

@Mar Blox your looking in the wrong places......

[@craigthescott5074]

@@jsiszero what maintenance costs? My C8 first oil change and trans fluid change was $400. See what that costs in a Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari, or Lambo.

[@Portaportoopoo]

love the detail and structure of these reviews!!!! I haven't seen anything quite like this in terms of discussing each component of the car :)

[@Chiboza]

Quality of your videos is even better than what you would find on TV :) you guys should be signed by Amazon Prime

[@Marcus_972]

Perfect summation, the long term is going to be incredible and in the short term the target customer is thrilled too.

[@davewilson6018]

So right Marcus, perfectly stated.

[@clarnus3712]

Don't step on my snake 🐍🚫❤️

[@moneyparhar]

Better buy than NSX and lot of McLaren's.

[@ds4390]

I mean it's cheaper. But it's also a lower quality car.

[@Out2theIndoors]

An american would definately say that

[@aviatorsdream4686]

@@Out2theIndoors But how is it not a better buy Don?

[@RCXDerp]

@@Out2theIndoors Yeah because I could total 2 and still be better off than someone with an NSX

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

McLarens.*

[@eurotrash4629]

How are you knocking out this insane amount of high-quality video? Rapid fire & on-target. Well done Sirs.

[@SpudEater]

I've hit a point in my life where I can buy one of these cars, I should. I'll wait until something other than the base model comes out.

[@HarmanPremiumYT]

Good job man, enjoy it when you get it!

[@notfromhere6125]

The shot at 30:52 shows how much meaner the C7 looks. C8 looks like a generic Ferrari 458 sold at Walmart.

[@dinote000]

😂

[@GothRocker7]

Mark and Jack great job on this video, Very well done, very smart how you showed what the C8 is like on the track, and then show what the C7 is like on the track. I know everyone likes to bash GM but I have always been a Corvette fan since I was a kid. I think Jack's C7 is great, looks and sounds very nice. I will say I finally went and saw the C8 in person on the road and at dealership. What a bargain, What a great car. Sad GM can't have this quality in all their products. So for now at least the C7 is the drivers car, but I am sure GM will keep making improvements to the C8. I like both of them. Corvette is America's supercar.

[@motormusique]

I'm not convinced I would get a C8 over a C7. The C7 sounds better, has manuals, and just seems more raw and connected. Outright speed is one thing but every car is getting faster, but are they getting more fun to drive?

[@FruddyG]

With C6s being so cheap now, why not have both! Ha

[@gustini2146]

C8 looks more fun to drive and has the benefit from being faster as well.

[@jsiszero]

0:13 is so satisfying because it's true... it's all about the clickbait.

[@sgsjake3904]

The part about the reason for no manual is false. Just in the last year of the C7, 23% of them were manual. The 13% number comes from the lowest sales year for the C7 Z06 variant alone. Overall manual sales for the C7 were around 40% if I remember correctly. Packaging also wasn't an issue... they have plenty of room to fit a clutch and shifter (though you may have had to give up a cupholder) and a cable shifted trans would be able to fit even with the center support going through the cabin. The SOLE reason that GM didn't include a manual was because they didn't want to spend the money to make a manual.

[@XQUADRA1]

this is the review I was waiting for

[@EvoraGT430]

So it's built like a Lotus! Can only be a good thing.

[@peterADL]

The sound is really nice. Looks like a non-GM product, which is great. Interesting to hear how much more involving is C7 compared to C8. Great review.

[@haze1123]

Not my cup of tea, but I'm really proud of GM. Overall, they've done an amazing job here.

[@leviefrauim1425]

Even w/all the superlatives the C8 has to offer, and having seen them in person (although never driven one,) if I were shopping Vettes, I'd still likely buy a C7 Gran Sport instead.

[@GrantThrall]

Lee Spector just before Covid ’s delayed announcement, I purchased what was possibly the last C7 GS 3LT in north central Florida. Had driven Porsches since 1985. Love my C7.

[@zhuazhua2273]

I like how the smaller guy keeps calling the other guy "Jack", like a character from an old-timey film noir.

[@JeffreyOsb]

The amount of understeer was probably intentional to avoid the spinouts under-qualified drivers would accomplish if it was a tail happy mid-engine setup. Learned my lessons in an MR2 Turbo, 400hp at the wheels, easiest car to spin out evererererer. Still miss that thing.

[@landychapman3]

Learned my lesson in an air-cooled VW bug, on cobblestone road in Wildflecken, Germany (wintertime).

[@rjwintl]

thank you for always being HONEST in your reviews !!!

[@Deuteross]

Amazing engineering. The C7 still looks better to my eye but technologically it's light years behind. Great video, guys!

[@nicktran7992]

This is a great weekend cruiser in 5 years when it's half the price.

[@bmann792]

Nick Tran it will hold it’s value and never ever ever dip below 50k unfortunately. Any c7 is hard to get for less than 40 even a 2014

[@moldyrefrigerator]

Shit I’m still over here waiting for C7’s to dip below $30k

[@bmann792]

moldyrefrigerator exactly my reply!! Read it. This c8 will never ever ever ever dip below 50

[@bmann792]

moldyrefrigerator high mileage c7s still getting 38-40k. Even c6 grand sport getting mid 30s

[@pontiacGXPfan]

5 years this piece of shit transmission is probably going to be dead. And GM being what it is now, probably even less time than that

[@alistairupton1960]

The c7 takes it for me, I appreciate the c8 tho.

[@nickl451]

subbed. not even a corvette guy - but let's take a moment and appreciate what these guys do with all their technical in the shoppe talk. thank you!

[@jbezugs]

fIrST!!11! In all seriousness, love your content guys. I really appreciate the excellent cinematography, as well as the amount of detail that goes into each review of a vehicle - especially the deep dives (even on plebian cars) that really scratch my technically-minded itch. It shines a light on how hard the engineers at manufacturers work to innovate, and It's unmatched anywhere else.

[@DerekDeVille]

If it had a Ferrari badge they would love it.

[@najmuddinalias4026]

GM knew and they do not forget the most important thing. Most of the buyers do not want a sport car. They want something that look and feel like a sport car but in the end, they never push the car to the limits.

[@Bmwguy2011]

One clarification: the Corvette team at GM is isolated from the rest of the company. GM wisely let the engineers and car enthusiasts run the corvette group and stayed out of the way. This is what BMW, Porsche and Ferrari do, why most American cars are either boring or struggling: the politically correct MBA / affirmative action corporate geniuses are running the operation when the car enthusiasts and engineers should be instead.

[@farley9255]

These reviews are works of art

[@rpmaddict]

This was a brilliant review of the C8. I have watched and read such nonsense that this is just refreshing. I race a corvette in a professional series and bought the C8 as a weekend sprinter for track time to keep the senses where they need to be to remain competitive during the off-season. I believe this was educational and now I know to keep my expectations in check.

[@ebsupra]

In 10-15 years, this will be a dirt cheap, mid-engined supercar for so many people, and I'm envious they will have that option, whereas we were stuck with used C5's.

[@mastuhyeet6422]

I mean it is aluminum, you'd definitely be hard pressed to find a good used one 10-15 years later.

[@RestrictedHades]

MastuhYeet aluminum doesn’t rust like steel

[@mastuhyeet6422]

@@RestrictedHades True, but it'll still be hard to find a vette that has been beaten on. Especially a C8.

[@landychapman3]

@@RestrictedHades Aluminum isn't a panacea! There are fasteners made of steel and / or epoxy | adhesive... What will break apart easier? Glued pieces or bolted-together pieces? Also there is a new phenomenon called "corrosion" that affects aluminum attached to steel. Time will tell if bolts, rivets or adhesive has staying power. My vote is WELDS. If you think delamination of sail panels was a problem - wait until the glued-together body & frame parts 'delaminate'.

[@johnm5131]

I miss that Mechanic guy who used to shrug his shoulders and mumble all the time. What ever happened to the turbowski?

[@oldtwinsna8347]

he doesn't want to commit to the time it requires to be part of the show.

[@mooncookie3688]

He died of a heroin overdose, RIP Scott.