2020 VS 2021 Supra: Which Makes More Power TUNED?

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National Speed

National Speed

Күн бұрын

2020 GR Supra owners weren't thrilled when Toyota gave the 2021 model a 47hp bump in the form of an improved engine just a year after launch. And while the 2021 outperforms the 2020 in showroom stock trim, what happens when each get the same upgrades and calibration? In that case, the choice is not so clear. SPOILER: one of them gained 145hp on 93 octane...
In this video, we put upgraded 2020 and 2021 GR Supras head-to-head! Both are equipped with our Stage-3 package, both calibrated by Vlad via EcuTek, both tested on the same dyno, and both completed just days apart with similar conditions. It's the ultimate 2-port versus 6-port engine comparison!
Stage-3 package contents for both 2020 and tunable 2021 models below:
• MST Performance Auto Parts air-intake system
• Optional MST Performance Auto Parts turbocharger inlet
• Extreme Turbo Systems down-pipe with EPA compliant GESi high-flow catalytic converter
• Optional AMS Performance 3.00" charge pipe
• Calibration via EcuTek Technologies Ltd
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@faraz.f22
@faraz.f22 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that they fit all this info into 6 minutes without going too fast or skipping anything is actually very under appreciated. Thank u lol.
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
We appreciate the words! Glad you enjoyed the video! More to come like this.
@CRVB7
@CRVB7 2 жыл бұрын
Just like the good old days when a 10 min YT video was considered long. Concise and straight to the point.
@brokenhalo.728
@brokenhalo.728 2 жыл бұрын
Non of that “before we get started. This video is provided by…..don’t forget to subscribe”. Help me.
@TheIcybus
@TheIcybus 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’ve been considering the mk5 but it’s been so hard to find a thorough comparison. Excellent video and to the point ✨
@bikotheanimator6169
@bikotheanimator6169 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation. This is precisely what I was searching for. Not that I know much about cars. I have been learning since 2020 during quarantine days. ^___^
@AntFragale
@AntFragale Жыл бұрын
I can appreciate this video. Doesn’t drag out the info, is very informative, and targets a relatable question that’s interesting. And I don’t even own or care about the Supra haha. Good job guys.
@bmwm333e92
@bmwm333e92 7 ай бұрын
best video showing the differences of A90 and A91 on KZbin, lots of info in such a short video, great work❤
@Bad_1nfluence
@Bad_1nfluence 2 жыл бұрын
Information was presented perfectly. Well done, thank you.
@keilder8543
@keilder8543 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, apples to apples comparison, and concise. Even the best videos lose points when they run too long - this one was perfect 👌.
@aisu8481
@aisu8481 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds to me like the 21 may only be more valuable for heat soak prevention. Which for a track guy could be significant
@marcdelong2230
@marcdelong2230 2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for a video like this, thanks guys!!
@kookiedabear
@kookiedabear 2 жыл бұрын
@NationalSpeedInc - Fantastic job with this video - thorough, succinct, and unbiased. You have a new subscriber.
@maxfuerst1980
@maxfuerst1980 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best video I've seen regarding modifying the a90 vs a91. Quikc and simple. Thank you for this content!
@BabaYagaRacing
@BabaYagaRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Yupp
@VictorPitstop
@VictorPitstop 2 жыл бұрын
LOVE that hard data! Thank you for this!!
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it, Victor! More videos like this to come.
@Benjammin43
@Benjammin43 2 жыл бұрын
I got my car tuned here back in like 2017. still by far my favorite tuner i’ve ever dealt with in the country. if the supras come with a 6 speed like they say they’re gonna I might pick one up and I know exactly where i’ll take it to tune.
@sicitydonmo3016
@sicitydonmo3016 2 жыл бұрын
superb video, packed to the best
@highboost1454
@highboost1454 Жыл бұрын
What an awesome vid. Turbo upgrade seems to be a must for 2021 and up.
@HSTL_Team
@HSTL_Team 2 жыл бұрын
This was a super informative video. Got my like, subscribe and share. Id like to see what happens after more upgrades
@jameskelsey3759
@jameskelsey3759 Жыл бұрын
Glad I found this video. I went and drove a 2020 this morning and am excited to know that if I get it, I can do what I want and make up for not spending an extra 10 grand or so to get a slightly "better" one. Because daammmmnnn that was fun.
@65sohc
@65sohc 2 жыл бұрын
I was glad to hear you mention flex fuel toward the end. I am running e50 which opens up another level of tuning and 50+ hp.
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Yep! We just did a fuel comparison video on this exact 2020. Check out the results! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rarQooZpec91pNk
@EastCoastMafia_NY
@EastCoastMafia_NY 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I’m looking to getting a 2020 Supra in the near future :D
@DresRacingChannel
@DresRacingChannel Жыл бұрын
love the info im happy i went with the 2020 model as far as tunability
@vinhgeta
@vinhgeta 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!
@MilanrdVspec
@MilanrdVspec 4 ай бұрын
Best comparison video 😊
@heatran123
@heatran123 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video!
@Powaup
@Powaup Жыл бұрын
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more apples to apples dyno comparison. Very well done here
@thelastsignature
@thelastsignature Ай бұрын
Wonderful track selection
@darkskull5790
@darkskull5790 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video thanks
@rafiulrasheen4738
@rafiulrasheen4738 Жыл бұрын
Cool Vid! How do yall think it would perform with some bolt ons like catless downpipes,intake, and e85? These cars are also lightweight with great gearboxes so it must feel like a rocket.
@Ali_Mansour_Editor
@Ali_Mansour_Editor 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I don’t even own one of these cars, but I feel like I learned a lot!
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it, Ali!
@bikotheanimator6169
@bikotheanimator6169 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed. I don't own any expensive cars haha
@polywoggins
@polywoggins 11 ай бұрын
Nice video, well done...
@Kvs1920
@Kvs1920 2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@andrewwhite9698
@andrewwhite9698 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect video. 10/10
@401nate2
@401nate2 5 ай бұрын
Hey guys, great comparison video! Would have been great to see the psi graph overlayed before and after for each model year as well. The higher CR leads me to believe that with a higher target, it could likely achieve it quicker resulting in the slight bump in low end response seen. What was the target PSI for both cars post tune?
@andrewfranco4826
@andrewfranco4826 2 ай бұрын
Perfect video
@Deighvid.
@Deighvid. 2 жыл бұрын
Cool video! Super interesting and loved seeing my same color 2021 haha
@johnmichaelazize6425
@johnmichaelazize6425 Жыл бұрын
Where did you purchased the strut bar, Front Bumper Lip Spoiler with the red accent and the Rear Diffuser with the Red accent? Excellent video!! I'm a disabled veteran interested in these parts. Thank you for your time.
@CullyColantino
@CullyColantino Жыл бұрын
This video solved all of my problems
@amincherfoune1402
@amincherfoune1402 2 жыл бұрын
that was great!
@imperatormouse2735
@imperatormouse2735 Жыл бұрын
Good comparison. The cylinder head integrated manifold design leads to an overall better thermal efficiency resulting in a slightly better fuel efficiency for the 2-port version (24 mpg) vs 6-port version (23 mpg). This is probably the reason why the B58 is only available as the C version in Europe because fuel efficiency is much more important to the OEMs there. Not sure what role the GPF plays in this category but towards higher power outputs it becomes more and more the bottle neck. Would you agree that the 6-port version is more robust than 2-port in terms of durability under same conditions?
@joepoyda1812
@joepoyda1812 2 жыл бұрын
It's really interesting to see the US has such differences in the power output of the model years, I have a 2019 A90 Supra in the UK and stock that put down 372.1bhp on dyno. From what I've seen on forums it seems that's pretty much the norm for us in the UK.
@agurung03
@agurung03 2 жыл бұрын
probably because uk and eu spec supras are fitted with an extra OPF filter for emissions on top of the catalytic converter in the downpipe. But stage one tune sorts that out you can get 410-420 whp (450-475bhp) from just a tune ..
@thedeadpoet000
@thedeadpoet000 2 жыл бұрын
Curious as to what octane fuel is recommended for UK Supras? I ask bc in general I think EU fuel is higher octane than US fuel.
@HAPPYFUNTIMEx2
@HAPPYFUNTIMEx2 Жыл бұрын
@@thedeadpoet000 Octane ratings in EU and US are different. 93 octane or Super in US is equivalent to 98 in EU, which is also Super in EU. So the fuels are the same. Now some states in the US, mostly in the west coast(california etc) only have 91 available.
@Foiiiii1
@Foiiiii1 Жыл бұрын
I live in Japan and most 2020 Supras are easily putting down 370-380hp at the crank. I think it's to do with the octane rate where premium fuel is above 98 here whereas in the US it's lower. I remember Jason Cammisa mentioning something about the US having lower quality fuel so that might play a role in the hp difference.
@doorkicker8507
@doorkicker8507 2 жыл бұрын
Some make even more. My 2020 with same stuff yours had. Plus a high flow AWE exhaust made 493 to the wheels. Also on a hot 🥵 muggy day in July.
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Not bad! That's super strong for 93 octane.
@TheGnarTube
@TheGnarTube 7 күн бұрын
There's a large amount of differences in the engines between 2020 and 2021. Specifically: Fuel system upgraded to 350bar injection pressure, cylinder head with integrated exhaust manifold, changes to the turbo, split cooling, coolant pump with integrated pressure release, new heat management module with split cooling valve, and changes to the chain drive.
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
For everyone asking if the post-June 2020 ECUs have been unlocked yet, the answer is no, BUT there is a solution: cloning. In short, your ECU must be sent to FemtoEVO in Russia, where it is cloned into a tuneable pre-June 2020 ECU. From there, the ECU plugs in, and is tunable just like any pre-June 2020 ECU. The service isn't cheap, but in terms of horsepower-to-dollar ratio, it's still a great deal!
@akpowerlifting
@akpowerlifting Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this information
@angrycar
@angrycar 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. I picked up my 2020 Supra 3.0 premium for 8K less than a 2021. Kept telling my friends, who thought I should've got the 2021, that once it was tuned with the typical bolt on parts the two aren't going to be much different. This video proves it. And since, IMHO, the 2020 is more playful and tail happy, with a more usable power band, my choice is still the 2020 if you're just doing the typical bolt on's. If you want a high hp supra then the 2021+ is probably the better option.
@hectorarcaya2424
@hectorarcaya2424 2 жыл бұрын
How much you pay for it ? Im looking for a 3.0 premium and i wanna knw how much will be a good deal
@angrycar
@angrycar 2 жыл бұрын
@@hectorarcaya2424 I bought my 2020 3.0 premium brand new in July of 2020. It sat on the lot for 9 months before I bought it. It was listed for $56,285. The dealer marked it down $4,285 and Toyota had a special $3,500 instant rebate deal going, so I got it for $48,500.
@dirkdiggler2379
@dirkdiggler2379 2 жыл бұрын
@@angrycar nice freaking deal. Right now those are about 55k
@steinway325
@steinway325 2 жыл бұрын
@@angrycar that's exactly what i did in August! i was a bit pissed off though, when Toyota bumped it up to $4500 rebate in September >:(
@angrycar
@angrycar 2 жыл бұрын
@@steinway325 Nice! I didn't know they bumped up the rebate, but that's ok, we still got great deals. Enjoy!
@bman1668
@bman1668 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like 2021 will make more power after 800-900whp , down low hp 2020 2021 same but highly modified I think 2021 will be better choice .
@omranmkv
@omranmkv 2 жыл бұрын
I think so, but I'm pretty sure it won't be noticeable difference that the driver can feel even if we say 850hp and 800hp. Anything in these modern cars after the 600whp is crazy and stupidly scary for streets pulls, most people just speak they didn't experience this
@tmbmvp
@tmbmvp 4 ай бұрын
Any guess on how flex fuel would change the results? I would love to be able to save the couple of thousand and go with the 2020 if the hp is that close!
@BillyBobTheCattleFarmer
@BillyBobTheCattleFarmer 2 жыл бұрын
Have ya'll dynoed the 2.0T version of this yet? Curious to see what that 4banger would put down.
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
The B48 cars typically break the 300whp mark with the same modifications. Not bad, all considered!
@kent4786
@kent4786 Жыл бұрын
How much does this type of tune cost .. ?? I’m thinking of getting the 2.0T
@TronB58
@TronB58 Жыл бұрын
@@NationalSpeedInc unless you get the F44 M235i with the B48. It actually dynos 280-290 whp stock and my development car was pushing over 370 whp with a downpipe and e30 tune only. The revised B48 in the mini GP and M235 has all the forged internals from the B58. It even has S58 injectors. Now if you're referring to the 2.0 supra or the lower trim bmws, then yes you are correct..
@just.a.simplejoe
@just.a.simplejoe 2 жыл бұрын
@NationalSpeedInc, appreciate the insight to the A91 Supra and considering getting this tune down the road but 2 questions.... 1. If my 21 supra got that type of safe bump in power what could be the recommended upping of tire sizes to help put that power down in autocross? 2. Is it fine if the customer already has their own intake (such as an ams/injen closed box) when doing the tunable packages? Thanks for the input and seriously great video!
@angrycar
@angrycar 2 жыл бұрын
I'd say absolutely yes get bigger tires. If they aren't daily tires get a set of Cup 2's, the biggest you can afford and fit. I'm sure they'll accommodate you if you have your own intake. This spring I'm going to drive down to VA with all my own parts and have them install the parts and tune the car.
@just.a.simplejoe
@just.a.simplejoe 2 жыл бұрын
@@angrycar Hey thanks for chimming in. Yea that sounds like a great plan and I'd do something similar when the time comes! What size tires would you think for a Supra at about 430-450hp?
@angrycar
@angrycar 2 жыл бұрын
@@just.a.simplejoe On the stock rims, I believe the front max would be 275/35ZR19 and the rear would be 295 or 305/35ZR19. Hard to find a 305 but they do have Cup-2's in that size, otherwise if you stayed with the OEM tire, it's a really good tire, you'll probably only find 295. Cup-2's can be sketchy in the rain, so for daily might not be good, but for track they are sticky tires. If you get aftermarket rims it depends on rim size and width and offset.
@just.a.simplejoe
@just.a.simplejoe 2 жыл бұрын
@@angrycar Thanks for the feedback, seriously needed the help. Don't want to waste money where I don't need too lol. Good luck with your build and would watch your videos if you do any!
@omranmkv
@omranmkv 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect video, the big question is why Toyota/BMW changed from 2 ports to 6
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
That's a great question! We haven't done the research to answer objectively, but our hunch is to simplify manufacturing.
@ricardoronin5170
@ricardoronin5170 Жыл бұрын
With the Wu playing!
@NastyGenV
@NastyGenV 11 ай бұрын
would love to see a 2020 vs 2021+ with a similar turbo/mod setup around 600-700hp to see if the 6port actually does anything on the top end at that power level.
@2yoked70
@2yoked70 8 ай бұрын
It definitely does
@NastyGenV
@NastyGenV 8 ай бұрын
@@2yoked70 ok have proof?
@BjornFSE
@BjornFSE 2 жыл бұрын
love it
@magnetman3t725
@magnetman3t725 Жыл бұрын
Whoa where did you get hat Engine star brace from??? Looks like one solid brace ...Who makes it and how can I order it
@prskyviews
@prskyviews 2 ай бұрын
My lord the ENGINE BRACE is FIREeeee I want it too!!
@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049
@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049 2 жыл бұрын
I worked at carvona and drove lots of cars but the bmw supra was nice I would say if your 6 foot or above don't buy if you have a bad back don't buy but that exhaust note is as good as a srt4 or evo but the quality it very good though.
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
You certainly aren't wrong, haha. The 2020 in this video belongs to Jordan (hosting the video). He's 6'6" and can attest to the challenges of getting in and out of an A90 Supra. That said, given his personal affinity for Japanese cars, he's used to make it work.
@jakethesnake1503
@jakethesnake1503 2 жыл бұрын
I had a great time
@wezkerlim
@wezkerlim 2 жыл бұрын
doesn't matter. the 2020 can make good numbers with mods. i actually wish they ditch the 2021 motor & go 2020. no oil burn issues & ecu lock.
@MizzouRah78
@MizzouRah78 2 жыл бұрын
We need a roll race video for a street comparison. 😎
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Ha, we'd love to see that comparison!
@jadej6348
@jadej6348 2 жыл бұрын
Love that front wing on the 2021 supra. Can I get the name of the company that makes them?
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
We believe that's the Seibon MB Style front lip.
@e_skie2685
@e_skie2685 2 жыл бұрын
I would call the power a wash, but the 21 also included some suspension changes. Because of that I give the win to 21.
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, as others mentioned in this thread, Stages are a subjectively term. Our Stage-3 is probably another shop's Stage-1, haha. But, we like to give our customers the ability to layer on over time, rather than committing to more than they might want or need.
@omarali6651
@omarali6651 Жыл бұрын
What's the difference between them in the stage 1 tune?
@turbanelite
@turbanelite 2 жыл бұрын
I can't decide which color to buy.
@user-br3mj7dd7r
@user-br3mj7dd7r 2 жыл бұрын
It's quite simple actually higher compression offers bigger gains per pound of boost but knocking becomes a limiting factor after a while so yes better overall numbers Maybe even mpgs without major changes but there is a greater room for improvement and big turbo applications in 2021 engine
@andrewnguyen4382
@andrewnguyen4382 11 ай бұрын
this made me realize that I didn’t need to buy a 21+ model. yes it comes with more power out of the factory but they can achieve the same output (essentially)
@cskudda
@cskudda 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. I thought the 2021 could not be tuned? Or did I hear wrong?
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, Chris! And the early 2021 models can be unlocked and tuned.
@BabaYagaRacing
@BabaYagaRacing 2 жыл бұрын
6-20 or earlier ecu date can be tuned
@kevin-jm3qb
@kevin-jm3qb Жыл бұрын
what oil do you guys run?
@prskyviews
@prskyviews 2 ай бұрын
Are these tunes available for Bootmod3 ??????
@ZeerXX
@ZeerXX 10 ай бұрын
This is basically the same story with the GTR from an engine potential perspective. All years can produce the same power levels with similar bolt ons.
@wernermeyer6635
@wernermeyer6635 2 жыл бұрын
Does somebody know how to set the toyota Hilux into dyno mode?
@patthonsirilim5739
@patthonsirilim5739 16 күн бұрын
Not to mention a91 comes with locked ecu so you gotta pay an extra 2k for tuners for basically half the gains of the A90 so yeah his right if you plan on keeping it stock get the A91 if you plan on tuning it at least to sub 500whp levels get the a90.
@ctr-cyclone1408
@ctr-cyclone1408 2 жыл бұрын
That matches what I feel in the car for the 2020 as soon as you get to 5k rpm feels line it falls on it’s face
@ActNasty5
@ActNasty5 2 жыл бұрын
Haha yeah it does
@Wonderlaust
@Wonderlaust 2 жыл бұрын
Are you tuned?
@ActNasty5
@ActNasty5 2 жыл бұрын
@@Wonderlaust not yet
@ctr-cyclone1408
@ctr-cyclone1408 2 жыл бұрын
@@Wonderlaust No, it’s on the todo list.
@kuraryuX
@kuraryuX 2 жыл бұрын
I'm coming to yall shop tomorrow with my bmw. Heard great things, and.....I need yalls help lol
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you've heard great things! We're happy to help however we can!
@justinfreeman8908
@justinfreeman8908 2 жыл бұрын
I’m waiting for someone to stick 2020 pistons in to a 2021 to get the best of both worlds lol ports & pistons on stock turbo 😂 I bet that would break 500WHP & get better MPG
@BabaYagaRacing
@BabaYagaRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe
@Mkv_jaahze
@Mkv_jaahze 2 жыл бұрын
Bruh exactly what I was thinking with mines 🤣🤣
@mresab1997
@mresab1997 8 ай бұрын
OR just save on the labor and put the '21 ports on the '20 engine, no?
@user-xb3nk6dx3g
@user-xb3nk6dx3g 2 жыл бұрын
Wait so the 2021 is now available to tune ? Details please. I have a 2021 just sitting in the garage waiting on some real data to follow.
@BabaYagaRacing
@BabaYagaRacing 2 жыл бұрын
If your ecu date is after 6-20 you have to send your ecu to Russia to get unlocked
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Hey J! Feel free to fill out our form on our website, a Performance Consultant will reach out to you with those details. www.nationalspeedinc.com/contact
@elvis_chen
@elvis_chen 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info, but the real question is when can we MY21 owner get real ECU tuning :(
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully EcuTek is not far off from releasing a solution!
@marqueseason6360
@marqueseason6360 2 жыл бұрын
@@NationalSpeedInc What's your opinion on the JB4 piggy back? I have a 2021 and That's what im considering.
@BabaYagaRacing
@BabaYagaRacing 2 жыл бұрын
@@marqueseason6360 piggyback is trash
@emilianorodriguez6361
@emilianorodriguez6361 2 жыл бұрын
How much does the 2.0 Supra push out with full bolt ons and jb4 map 3
@BabaYagaRacing
@BabaYagaRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Not many have modded the 2.0
@olson5252
@olson5252 2 жыл бұрын
Soooooo can you tell me how much your stage 3 and tune costs?
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Yep! Parts, install, and tune starts at around $3K out-the-door!
@jaimatic23
@jaimatic23 2 жыл бұрын
From the races iv seen from 20’ and 21’ it does seem like the 2 -port design is more torquer than the 6-port . And the 11:1 compression is better for turbo !
@carlosdeleon9593
@carlosdeleon9593 2 жыл бұрын
When you go for high boost, the lower compression ratio would be more beneficial, especially in terms of reliability and longevity
@BabaYagaRacing
@BabaYagaRacing 2 жыл бұрын
It is
@helmernachbaur5880
@helmernachbaur5880 2 жыл бұрын
What do they mean by tunable 2021? I've got a July 2020 and it cannot be tune in France atm...
@ryanbrown918
@ryanbrown918 2 жыл бұрын
Pre June 20 can be tuned. Yours is just out...
@BabaYagaRacing
@BabaYagaRacing 2 жыл бұрын
6-20 ecu can be tuned
@johnathensimmons1045
@johnathensimmons1045 2 жыл бұрын
How much would this list of tunes and mods cost, putting it on a 2020 model
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Johnathen! It ranges depending on a list of variables. I recommend reaching out to one of our Performance Consultants here: nationalspeedinc.com/contact/ They will be able to answer all of your questions.
@madisondang1324
@madisondang1324 2 жыл бұрын
Hi guy how y’all doing I got one question since you guys from national speed I made. An appointment for my 2006 Mitsubishi evolution 9 at national speed in glen allen va,last minute the manager call me and canceled my appointment and refund my deposit,Taylor said they can’t tune my car,than why they didn’t say it at first ? Please I need answer
@madisondang1324
@madisondang1324 2 жыл бұрын
Hello I just need to know why sir
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, I do not see a Work Order in our system under your name. Feel free to email customersuccess@nationalspeedinc.com with additional information, we'd love to chat.
@crackedbrainOG
@crackedbrainOG Жыл бұрын
So you can tune a 2021 Supra? I really can’t find a straight answer. Most things I’ve read is that you can only tune a 2020.
@user-bd6qv4hc8l
@user-bd6qv4hc8l 2 жыл бұрын
There is any difference between 2020 and 2021 short block internal parts handling the power
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Not that we have seen so far. The only bottom end difference is in the pistons.
@straightsideways4834
@straightsideways4834 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe the 2020 because of that charge pipe which may let in more boost is putting down more numbers
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
We've seen no difference in output or boost pressure with the upgraded charge pipe. At this level, it's solely a reliability upgrade.
@doorkicker8507
@doorkicker8507 2 жыл бұрын
A charge pipe will add absolutely Nothing. As a matter fact. Most that change it have problems of them popping off.
@BroVCam
@BroVCam 2 жыл бұрын
WOW!!! I'm a Nissan guy but Yota's running laps around us and making sandwiches while doing it these days! Don't be surprised when I get the new Supra over the upcoming Z!!✌🏾❤✊🏾
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Right on!
@MMPGAMMING
@MMPGAMMING Ай бұрын
Isn’t 2021 Supra ecu locked?
@purpskurp8737
@purpskurp8737 2 жыл бұрын
21 want my power at the tippy top
@emalior5000
@emalior5000 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. The 2020 falls flat on its face at 5k rpm. I've driven it and was left underwhelmed with how much it lacks top end power. A ton of bottom to mid then it signs off and leaves you unsatisfied especially when I own a mk4 supra with a ton of top end. It's not just about horsepower numbers it's about how it delivers it. A nice linear power curve all the way to 6 - 7k rpm is what I want and the 2021 and all the bmw cars with this engine have that power curve.
@mtxmatrixxable
@mtxmatrixxable 2 жыл бұрын
I love the wutang beats.
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Good ear!
@brianrockefeller3552
@brianrockefeller3552 2 жыл бұрын
I hear that BMW instaled a Anti-Tunig DME for B58 produced in 06/2020+, How did you tuned it?? its posible to Brake the Anti-tuning?? I hear that its imposible now, and I was Looking to Buy a BMW M340i, now I'm confused, can You explane me??
@BabaYagaRacing
@BabaYagaRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Ecu before 6-20 can be tuned easily After that ecu has to be sent to Russia
@brianrockefeller3552
@brianrockefeller3552 2 жыл бұрын
@@BabaYagaRacing but the Russian can really unlock the Ecu??? I heard that they don’t deliver your Ecu, like many people are getting scammed with Russian
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
@@brianrockefeller3552 for this service, we recommend FemtoEVO only. What they do isn't technically an unlock, it's an ECU clone, which essentially achieves the same end state: a tunable ECU. It's not cheap, but it's well worth it!
@user-od1gl7wj5e
@user-od1gl7wj5e 2 жыл бұрын
Actually charge pipe does affect the maximum horse power.FTP motorsport does the test and prove about that.
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting! We did a similar test and saw no notable difference.
@MikeFico998
@MikeFico998 2 жыл бұрын
Are you guys dyno ing in 6th gear? 🤔 Put them both on Ethanol!
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Correct! 6th gear for each. We did a pretty cool fuel comparison with the 2020 in this video that's worth checking out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rarQooZpec91pNk
@tomaslekis3262
@tomaslekis3262 2 жыл бұрын
I think the ‘21 ECU was locked and could only be tuned by like a single shop based out of russia?
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, Tomas, here's a copy-and-paste reply of ours to another similar comment: For everyone asking if the post-June 2020 ECUs have been unlocked yet, the answer is no, BUT there is a solution: cloning. In short, your ECU must be sent to FemtoEVO in Russia, where it is cloned into a tuneable pre-June 2020 ECU. From there, the ECU plugs in, and is tunable just like any pre-June 2020 ECU. The service isn't cheap, but in terms of horsepower-to-dollar ratio, it's still a great deal!
@amarrianderson3590
@amarrianderson3590 2 жыл бұрын
@@NationalSpeedInc due to what’s going on between Russia and Ukraine, is this option available and is there any videos of anyone doing this option?
@chayenyang
@chayenyang 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2020 and I plan on replacing my 2 port for the 6 port. If you want big power, 6 port is the way to go for 2 port owners
@BabaYagaRacing
@BabaYagaRacing 2 жыл бұрын
That's if you are going crazy power
@chayenyang
@chayenyang 2 жыл бұрын
@@BabaYagaRacing go big or go home
@jaimatic23
@jaimatic23 2 жыл бұрын
Iv yet to see anyone accomplish this , it would be ideal to have a 6-port with the 11:1 compression ratio
@chayenyang
@chayenyang 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaimatic23 the world record Supra is a 6 port. I’m pretty sure that the 2 ports are having a hard time hitting mid to low 8s
@jaimatic23
@jaimatic23 2 жыл бұрын
@@chayenyang i don’t believe that to be true as in this years TX2k , the top 2 supras were 2-port and they both were low 8s
@Spork40k
@Spork40k 2 жыл бұрын
Watches video...goes and buys a Supra...
@Pokemonnostalgia1991
@Pokemonnostalgia1991 Жыл бұрын
Is this 469 Hp to the Crank of 469 Whp?
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc Жыл бұрын
Our dyno measures at the wheels.
@prskyviews
@prskyviews 2 ай бұрын
Is there a way to get these tu es in bootmod 3?
@prskyviews
@prskyviews 2 ай бұрын
@@NationalSpeedInc is there a way to get this tune for a 2020 in bootmod 3?
@briansimpson5664
@briansimpson5664 Жыл бұрын
2020 was the way to go... Period
@zero_to_1000
@zero_to_1000 11 ай бұрын
which one is more reliable
@prskyviews
@prskyviews 2 ай бұрын
The 2020 model
@Famous_Flavours
@Famous_Flavours 2 жыл бұрын
Stage 3 is normally a turbo upgrade 🧐
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. We saw the need for a more granular upgrade path.
@jamesvanderstraaten3852
@jamesvanderstraaten3852 2 жыл бұрын
lol that’s not stage 3 then everyone knows stage 3 is bigger turbo
@TML34
@TML34 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure what the point of this test is? If you gave both cars the exact same tuning logic then you would expect the same results. There is no mention of the different tune characteristics.
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6KxoISvnrSrgpI There are mechanical differences between the two model years. See the timestamp linked above for a breakdown.
@sxintwhosins4490
@sxintwhosins4490 Жыл бұрын
does this pass smog is the question lol
@brettgaldieri3873
@brettgaldieri3873 2 жыл бұрын
Wu Tang is forever!
@NationalSpeedInc
@NationalSpeedInc 2 жыл бұрын
Good catch, sir! Protect ya neck.
@goforbroke2
@goforbroke2 2 жыл бұрын
Rats nest under that plastic engine cover.
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