2021 Austrian GP Race Review | WTF1 Podcast

The Austrian Grand Prix was a chaotic race with many, many, many penalties! We discuss all the decisions from the weekend in our latest WTF1 Podcast.
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00:00 Intro
01:31 Penalties
23:51 Penalty Points
39:04 Lando's great race
50:33 Mercedes struggles again
54:08 ABCDEF1
1:15:02 Predictioons
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[@selder_7]

*the grid unable to stop Norris from scoring points every race* FIA: “Fine, I’ll do it myself” *12 penalty points, race ban*

[@Bobby11]

feels like it, but it backfired because they are prob redbull fans (going on the friudge behind them :D)

[@nici0315]

I agree with Katy saying there needs to be a fixed set of stewards including an ex-driver, and interestingly enough she mentioned Alexander Wurz, who is the Co-commentator for the Austrian ORF (which is a blessing for us Austrians really!) and he, during this race, commented that he was a member of the steward-council twice a few years ago and he would never do it again because the other stewards never listened to him although he was the only one who knows situations like this from inside the car. It is quite telling how someone like him who seems to be fairly diplomatic could not stand being a steward, not because the decisions were difficult, but because the other stewards didn't listen to and respected him and his perspective as a former driver

[@fourutubez7294]

They got rid of a permanent board of stewards because of bias so that didn't work either.

[@Konktg]

@@fourutubez7294 still they can make sure that there will always be a former driver in there, even if he raced in a different category like WEC or INDYCAR

[@NunoSalvaterra]

That's a very concerning insight

[@niks2392]

@@Konktg there is always a former driver in there, there was for this race as well (he was an older English guy, I forget his name). Problem is they are far removed from driving themselves most of the time and often aren't listened to enough

[@Konktg]

@@niks2392 then why have them there?

[@dutchpangermanist5673]

I think that Tsunoda just couldn't see the line, given that he is so short.

[@timoklein2432]

haha shots fired

[@darthsnarf]

They give him a booster seat for the race so no excuses.

[@karningham2849]

Honestly I feel like people who are STILL making this joke probably have about as much sense of humour as a piece of wet cardboard

[@jaikashyap2381]

@@karningham2849 Chill!!!!!!!!

[@VolleyballExplained]

@@karningham2849 You don't have any sense of humour, do you?

[@selder_7]

Very glad that Katy is part of the podcast for the penalty rants

[@fisheatsyourhead]

3 person podcasts are better than 2 person anyway most of the time

[@YourLoyalDeserter]

also she's a great presenter

[@joshuabailey402]

Yeah she killed that rant.

[@optimusprimus89]

Shes so cute

[@brandonmontreuil5903]

She also really loves stripped shirts 🤣

[@Iggy3]

They should drop Styrian GP and do two Austrian GPs. It's just so much better

[@saiyerugara9038]

Styria isn't too bad but yes, Austria is better!

[@elleonken7599]

Funny how Russel got into Q3 mainly because Alonso's lap got ruined (imo), and he ended up out of the point because of Alonso himself.

[@robh9577]

Ja! *Karma*

[@sbinotto3780]

Prediction: Matt will give leclerc an A, Tommy will give him a D

[@wozza3452]

not a fanboy just passionate

[@bartandaelus359]

Leclerc had a pretty shit race imo. I would give him a D. Really poor race craft. Impatient, desperate moves with little recourse for his failures. He should have picked a better moment for every attempt on Perez and when he nearly took out Danny RIC.

[@Chyeahokay]

Funny how sometimes leclerc is so good and a lot of other times he’s so clumsy. I feel he is overrated based on how many crashes and silly accidents he has

[@alanheavey6005]

There's a beautiful gritty (highly talented) aura about Alonso that gives me genuine butterflies watching him race. Still. He def deserves to be on an F1 grid. I believe he's only going to get stronger as the season progresses.

[@lohifi8471]

Katy: "all of Mexico would be after me" Naaah, we still love you, Checo was sloppy on that race, hopefully he will deliver on the next GPs and deliver that RB 1-2

[@hanadd7034]

Ahhh it would be great if everyone as chill as you 👌

[@52rojemle]

No te la vas a coger mirreyy jajajaaj

[@magrodriguez1571]

Katy es la única que cuando Checo tiene buenos resultados lo reconoce, los otros dos tipos siempre le tiran hate .

[@daguzify]

Checo was sloppy with Leclerc and did what many of us wanted…..passing outside the DRS zone. Norris fucked him and Perez fucked Leclerc

[@MO-rl9gl]

I better hear some Sainz praise.

[@leriava]

Very little

[@SWatchik]

Every good performance from Lando just makes me respect Sainz more considering he beat him in equel machinery and is taking the fight to Leclerc. He should have won in Monza 2020 too, if not for pitting before the red flag and not getting a free tire change

[@Mountain-Man-3000]

Let's make Sainz DOTD!

[@Aemond2024]

They have major Anglo bias

[@curtishoffmeister9399]

Sainz praise…um…let’s see…he has nice hair? LOL seriously, he was awesome. Good teamwork when Charles let him by without delay.

[@Argosh]

The pit entry thing is definitely dangerous. How often have we seen incidents with cars nearly crashing because someone didn't realize he was going into the pits?

[@theglitch312]

! Trade Offer ! *I recieve:* _A pitstop._ *You recieve:* _A super slow car on the racing line._

[@Monty10a]

Sainz appreciation post. Survived Verstappen. Beat lando twice by a margin. 2 points off leclair and coming closer once he gets even more used to the car. Improves/ creates a good atmosphere at all teams he has been at.

[@mattbilello6229]

As a McLaren fan I love Carlos but he does get overly aggressive sometimes and with time and a better car maybe he shows the patience he has shown the last two weekends where he drives a great race and pass cars on strategy.

[@theglitch312]

I'll join you in Sainz appreciation. He's a team leader, calm, collected, consistent and fast. Also his bromance with Lando is great, he's acting like his older brother haha.

[@Yahyamir23]

I dont like the that you guys don't credit Bottas with a good performance. He was 0.035 off Lewis. And it's important to remember Lewis was the one who broke the part. It's unfair to say Lewis had damage therefore it was gifted as Bottas was able to bring the car home in one piece.

[@NardKoning]

Yeah if Lewis had finished P2 it would be automatic A. I mean Bottas couldn't have done better so if this is not an A, what is?

[@ddha0000]

Lewis didn't damage the car dude, he didn't go over any of the curbs any different, and even if he did, its pure bad luck cause lots of people went over the those curbs all weekend with no damage. The damage came from the extreme vibrations which broke some aero parts due to fatigue.

[@lucasjohansson2158]

@@NardKoning Because they don't want to make Bottas looks good and he is the direct oponent of Russell getting into Mercedes. There's a clear agenda here

[@contendedracer5861]

Bottas should’ve been given an A while Hamilton should’ve gotten B or C in my opinion. Bottas started P5 and got up to P2 while Hamilton damaged his car and finished in his starting position.

[@ddha0000]

@@contendedracer5861 where are you getting this 'Hamilton' damaged the car. he didn't, his car broke due to fatigued parts over time.

[@mikesuarez9615]

If I was summarize the Austrian GP in one word I would say “Penalties”

[@jaridshumway5191]

How original

[@joostpereira7470]

Fun fact: To everyone saying "Crashstappen" Max verstappen is the only driver to noy get a penalty point from 2020 to now. (Alonso and Schumacher where not driving last year)

[@_qwe_fk_1700]

Imagine telling that someone in 2017 or 2018

[@joostpereira7470]

@@_qwe_fk_1700 He is also tied for the record with Grosjean for most penalty points😂

[@Johann_Gambolputty_of_Ulm]

This also proves, how dumb this whole "licence penalty points" system has become, since it can also only mean that he has a good racing engineer, who don't make blunders like Vettel's f.e. (and I don't mean I disagree with you, Max did improve greatly over the years; just throwing my two cents about a system that desperately needs an overhaul)

[@rg8829]

Everyone using this nickname should just grow up….😂

[@roxannelyson7715]

@@Johann_Gambolputty_of_Ulm How exactly did Vettel's engineer make a blunder?

[@7BD273]

Honestly now, what was more exciting, the Norris vs Perez + Perez vs Leclerc "battles", which ended as soon as one driver pushed the other off the track. OR the Russel vs Alonso battle which was a clean but brutal fight, that went on for laps.

[@High_Heels_Lady]

Two masters at work 👍🏻

[@bananajoe4233]

When I saw them battling I just hoped they both get in the points somehow. Especially after Alonsos bad luck in quali :(

[@chunheiso5806]

Russel v Alonso that was butt clenching

[@mattbilello6229]

The comparison is not a good one because Alonso never put his car in position to driven off the track, Perez vs Lando was a poor decision by Perez because he should know that McLaren has better power coming out of the turn and Perez could never complete the pass on the outside. If Perez would slowed and gone to the inside like Charles did him later in the race he would have cleanly passed Lando. Alonso knew he had developed the position and the power to come ahead out of the turn ahead. I feel the same way about LeClerc’s first tangle with Perez because RB has the power to close the door on the Ferrari coming out of turn 4 - bad move by Charles putting his car on the outside.

[@matt_dobson0614]

@@mattbilello6229 You've missed the point. By Russell and Alonso being more respectful in their racing and knowing when to leave space, back out of a move etc., it lead to an extended, exciting battle rather than it ending immediately due to a collision or someone being forced off track. I don't believe he is comparing the exact scenarios that played out during the race.

[@damianozanotti1251]

“All the time you have to leave te space” -Fernando Alonso 2012

[@dzenn94]

For the yellow flags, i really like the code 60 rule at NBR. It's very clear, well defined. You slow down before the yellow, maintain speed for the yellow sector (have to engage pit limiter), and floor it at the first green flag. All the battles (and all gaps) are preserved. Maybe F1 could use some adaptation of that

[@TheJenko25]

People seem to forget Lando is 2 years younger than Max, Charles and George as well!

[@selder_7]

A for Alonso. Could’ve started really well and done even better. It hurt so much to see him overtake Russell but it’s Alonso’s misfortune that gave Russell Q3 and they had a great battle and he was very nice about it afterward. He’s driving really well and getting consistent points and mugging off Ocon

[@dave7573]

There is no way he could have done better.

[@whysrumgone]

Without the alonso/ seb moment, Rus would have come 10th, not 9th then 8th.

[@jotchwa4590]

Lando Norris is so damn impressive this season.

[@idkjustchangingmyname7343]

Driver of the season?

[@jotchwa4590]

@@idkjustchangingmyname7343 At the very least he is solidifying himself as one of the best drivers on the grid, up there with Max and Lewis!

[@FF-jf8yg]

@@jotchwa4590 He is nowhere near the level of Max and Lewis yet. He's in the Leclerc/Russell class but so far he has been better than those two.

[@Aemond2024]

@@FF-jf8yg kinda agreed. Max IA leagues ahead. But Norris is on par with Hamilton I think

[@Aemond2024]

Max is more impressive

[@leriava]

I wonder, if Sainz ever won the race 1 lap ahead of everyone, would he get DOTD? It seems that even when he has a great race he's not even in the top 3.

[@Argosh]

He's signed up as second fiddle to Charles and he's not being a good boy. What do you expect? 😁

[@leriava]

@@Argosh his invisibility is not new. It's been like this forever

[@bizarrebunny5579]

Bc he tends to come through towards the end of the race when most the votes have already taken place

[@Aemond2024]

Dude Verstappen completely destroys everyone but didn't win it... They rig it for Anglos

[@blaise2833]

@@Aemond2024 Usually the driver dominating the GP isn't voted Dotd. Hamilton had been doing this for years, yet he barely got voted

[@hugoseelen8441]

Congrats on the 800k subs! 💪

[@albertwarren6917]

I seem to be in the minority because I thought the lando - Perez - Leclerc penalties were justified and correct. My view is what alonso said on the radio a few years ago “you must always leave a space”. If someone’s alongside you have to give them room which neither Lando or ironically Perez later did. You can’t just leave them no room, forcing them off the track and not expect a penalty.

[@rjfaber1991]

I get the impression you're actually in the majority there, just maybe not a very vocal majority.

[@drcr4ne]

this race was very wierd. it has always been clear you can take the racing line if you're ahead and push the driver off if there's a runoff area, but absolutely can't do that when there's a gravel trap, grass or a wall. i also think perez should have gotten a higher penalty for the first incident with leclerc because leclerc was clearly ahead. a lot of younger drivers in the midfield doing this to each other is the problem. if lando pushes hamilton off the track, can you imagine the backlash? midfield needs world champions for others to learn fair racing.

[@lightninlarry8936]

@@mclarenF1race f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/ educate yourself on proper racing

[@albertwarren6917]

@@mclarenF1race I’m not saying they shouldn’t challenge each other when going through the corners. I’m just saying if you’re on the inside and there’s someone alongside on the outside you need to reasonably stay on the inside and not push the other driver off the track.

[@albertwarren6917]

@@mclarenF1race I think the rules need to state and list what actions count as a minor penalty and what counts as a major penalty and the corresponding penalty for each action. Then the stewards job is to determine whether the drivers broke a rule, what rule they broke, whether the action was minor or major depending on the circumstances and hand out the penalty written in the rule book. This should improve consistency in decisions made by the stewards which is what I want to see most by the stewards. If the penalties seem unfair for the actions then they can always be adjusted later on. Also there’s a difference between being squeezed and being pushed off. I think it was Gasly and Perez approaching Eau Rouge a few years ago and one of them was squeezed very tightly next to the wall. That’s squeezing which is allowed. They gave just enough space. But what Norris and Perez did in the race was pushing others off the track. I agree drivers should think about being squeezed but they shouldn’t have to think about being pushed off. Perez and Leclerc had nowhere to go other than the gravel when they were pushed off. If they were squeezed they would have been able to have all 4 tyres on the track still but very close to the gravel.

[@jotchwa4590]

The penalty point situation is a bit ridiculous. Kimi was going 10kph over the speed limit in the pit lane which is legitimately dangerous, but he only received a fine. While Yuki received two for something that was not even close to being dangerous.

[@allenqueen]

Wasn't the pitlane speeding like a €400 fine or something ridiculous

[@jotchwa4590]

@@allenqueen Yeah it was basically nothing. Pretty disrespectful to all the people in the pit crews who put their own safety on the line week in and week out.

[@aaaargl]

Pitlane speeding always has been a fine depending on how many kph you're over the limit. 10kph over the speed limit isn't dangerous, barely makes any difference. Also most of the time this just means, that they miscalculated their braking point for the line on the entry while still being in the fastlane.

[@kempo_95]

@@aaaargl yeah given that fact, Yuki going over the white line is more dangerous then someone missing their breakpoint going into the pits.

[@justme7446]

I instantly noticed that Matt read the comments of the last odacast, he was really kind in general today against Tommy and Katie, you see she loved it.

[@fisheatsyourhead]

yeah his jokes at their expense are a bit awkward but it's meant to be friendly banter but it's always nicer to be nice

[@GloomGaiGar]

also pronounced Perez' name correctly

[@ericford911]

Congratulations on 800k subscribers!!! On to a million!

[@MrN0tim3]

Awesome podcast guys! Very informative 🏁🏆

[@austinhenry788]

Penalty points I feel should have two categories major and minor, majors hit your license and three minor hit your license. Minor would be track limit and what happened to Gasly starting slightly off and pit lane crossing, and major being speeding through yellow and causing a crash. I feel that will make it where you still get penalized for mistakes but they aren’t severe enough to where you might get banned unless you do it multiple times.

[@boukevanzinderen6321]

The FIA is inconsistent as F with handing out the points. Leclerc has only been given 3 in his career. Monza pushing Lewis in the grass at full speed, nothing. Austria Lando Perez incident Lando 2 points. Monaco unsafe pit release, nothing. Monaco unsafe pit release Max (side by side with Bottas) 2 points. It is a yoke 😂🤣😂

[@danielbatmanj349]

congrats on 800k guys!

[@SuicidalLemonade]

Lando in that race felt like the soft tire silverstone from last year where verstappen was challenging the 2 mercs in a "if we dont get them now we never will, i'm not playing for 3rd". Right down to the radio.

[@stephanied3970]

I sincerely wish I could go hang out with you guys at the British GP, dang that large ocean in the way! Also if/when Russell is announced I will absolutely shriek/scream with joy and be buzzing! So totally on board with you guys on that one!

[@mesl1653]

I think that this was the best day this season for the stewards. After some F-ups in some of the previous races, and even in saturday (Vettel), they appareantly decided to be as sharp as a knife and be absolutely on it. Every penalty was correctly applied according to the rules. If they were to allow running people off the track, you'll get no overtake at all because the risk will heavily outweigh the benefits. The penalty points need some review though. I'd say keep penalizing everything according to the rules, but be carefull with the penalty points. Only serious infractions should give penalty points.

[@owaisparvez6232]

Thanks again for posting earlier which is perfect to watch on a night in India... It's become a Monday night tradition at home!

[@Aemond2024]

'Let's move away from Red Bull, Maclaren and all that' No word on Super Max yet 😓

[@ml8022]

McLaren 😉

[@lightninlarry8936]

Why would they need to talk about Max? He dominated the race and didn't put a foot wrong. It would be boring to talk about him.

[@Aemond2024]

@@lightninlarry8936 talking about penalties is boring. Analyzing a perfect drive is dope

[@ml8022]

@@lightninlarry8936 Im a Dutch F1 fan for many years now, before F1 wasn't so popular in my country. But now Max is doing well, there are a lot of new fans. They know nothing about the sport and only care about Max. They are not real F1 fans, but more success fans. If Max has a DNF they turn off the tv or leave the circuit. So they are very annoying, they behave like Football supporters. If i ever go to the track, i won't be sitting between those orange fakers.

[@yuyy8565]

@@ml8022 The fact that max is doing so good and more people supporting him is a good thing, why would you be angry at someone because they like the same thing as you do? Catch the opportunity and make new friends to watch F1

[@christopherrusso1691]

Just want to say I enjoy this podcast. I want to give my thoughts about the show because it seems like at parts it was trying to be rushed along. Honestly if you guys have any hour and a half of meaningful conversation I say go for it. If there's not much to talk about and the show only take 45 minutes that's fine. I really enjoy what you guys are doing. This community has grown so much since I've started watching. Keep up the good work.

[@joshcaminski]

I'm glad I watched this one live 👍

[@aaryansingh9389]

Katy you are awesome! Loved the insights . Cheers to WTF1 from India. 🤟🏻

[@selder_7]

Current champion leader, the youngest ever F1 race winner, king of the Red Bull Ring, ‘a bit of a roughty toughty’: Max Verstappen

[@patrickdavis3153]

Not. Lewis Hamilton, 7 TIME WORLD CHAMPION, Most Poles, Most Wins from Pole, Most Wins by any driver EVER, Most Wins in 1st season of F1, Most Podium Finishes, Most Podium Finishes In 1 Season, Most Races Finished with Points, Most Consecutive Points Finishes, ONLY driver to win a race in Every F1 Season he has participated In, ONLY Driver To Have Scored a Podium In His 1st Nine F1 races. The Rain Master. The Tire Whisperer. Replacement of the Great Champion of Cheaters, Schumacher. Defeater of all former F1 Champions named Alonso, Button, Rosberg, and Vettel. As well as the Great Pretender Max Verstappen. You should be slapped for thinking Max could or would ever be better than the King of F1 Lewis Hamilton, you peasant. 🤴🏾🏎🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

[@edwin2855]

@@patrickdavis3153 damn you like bbc dont you

[@patrickdavis3153]

@@edwin2855 Nah I got my own thanks 💯🙌🏽 Throwing insults when faced with the facts. Can’t stand to see praise thrown upon a black man. Your so original I’m almost offended 🤣🤦🏽‍♂️ #provemewrong #eatthisbbc

[@edwin2855]

@@patrickdavis3153 you are just being overdramatic with it, yeah hes an amazing driver but so is max at this moment. And you are also the one calling other people peasants.

[@DugTheDog]

Katie was all around on fire today! Keep it up!

[@ma.andream3240]

Best podcast! Look forward to it every week! 🤩🤩

[@WTF1official]

Thank you!

[@idkjustchangingmyname7343]

@@WTF1official no thank you, WTF1!

[@jasonfiglioli6660]

Alonso and Russell showed everyone how it’s supposed to be done, no trips into the gravel and no penalties, other drivers should watch their battle and try to learn something

[@TheBioethicist]

Katy, we love the sass. Please don't apologize for it. It's awesome.

[@xMRDoubleX]

I think Masi is done for. Can’t imagine him being the race director for much longer.

[@ml8022]

He kills our sport

[@daniellee4003]

Masi has been making mistakes for years at this point, it being talked about more recently doesn't change anything. He'll stay and he won't change for years to come.

[@xtheamazingax]

I don’t think he even knows what the hell he’s doing… doesn’t look like it to me.

[@ml8022]

In Bahrain (no gravel) Masi gave Verstappen tracklimits, and now he gives Lando a 5 sec penalty for pushing another driver off the track.

[@bigmaclexa2981]

@@ml8022 race control =/= race stewards Masi doesn't give penalties. He deploys safety & medical cars, converses with the teams, gives data from race control to the stewards; such as speeds in the pitlane speed trap, track limits etc. I agree that he hasn't been the sharpest with his deployment of recovery vehicles and marshalls while a race is running, but you really cannot blame him for the penalties. The only thing he did regarding them was to say that they were the right decision in an interview after the race.

[@spencerb311]

Great podcast

[@TooChilly777]

Matt looking at Latifi like: "C'mon mate"

[@gipsonk2]

On the Lando/Perez incident. Even Christian Horner thought it was a racing incident.

[@Wildmarshmellow]

im actually happy they giving out more penalties they need to stay on top of shit. i understand maby they should look at how little penalties it takes to get ban. but they getting away with way to much lately

[@paran0ia000]

I think they should have two categories to penalties. One that affects the license & race and one that only affects the particular race only (time or grid position penalty).

[@adomnarkwa]

The way you spelt “maybe” is seriously cute. I might start spelling it that way from now on

[@TheTomAbz]

Plot twist: Fernando adopts George Russel and brings him to Alpine

[@daviddelara7158]

Enjoyed the live watching this being recorded :)

[@WTF1official]

Team WTF1 squad!

[@pedroribeiroferreira1701]

Kathy is such an excellent addition to the podcast. Congratulations!

[@laarre2]

Katy's penalty point rant makes me feel fuzzy inside. It can't have been easy to just jump into the pod after Jess left, but she's really killing it with her own distinct style.

[@arvinbansal6890]

how are yall going to give bottas the same grade as lewis lmao. lewis made a mistake that damaged his car and bottas got the best result possible in that car

[@Artemis3121]

They are always biased when it comes to Hamilton

[@fisheatsyourhead]

do you know it was his action that did the damage? and before the damage Lewis had better pace anyway

[@arvinbansal6890]

@@fisheatsyourhead he ran wide on turn one and ran over the curb which damaged his rear. and i can assure you if hamilton had gotten 2nd they would have given him an A for doing the best possible in the car he has

[@adampetten5349]

Also, poorish Qualifying is 0.06 slower than Lewis. Hamilton got the Maximum out in Qualifying.

[@Thegreat772]

I see it as if you're ahead and on the racing line, you have priority!

[@testacorsa150]

Yes, but then you are allowed to just push people off like Lando And Checo did. Imagine if in those two insidents the two cars continues side by side to battle it out in the next corner. THAT would be racing, side by side close racing. That is what we want, and that is what FIA wants as well. Pushing someone off is not sporting, and F1 is a sport after all.

[@victorcolacios2802]

This race exposed the hypocrisy of people who posts that meme from Alonson: "all the time you have to leave a space" but now are complaining about the penalties in situations that nobody didnt leave a space. All the penalties were deserved, Lando ruined Perez race and Perez ruined Lecrecs race twice, period.

[@John-ok8ts]

Alonso was wrong at the time and knows it. He even joked with Vettel about it at a later race. The space rule only applies when returning to the racing the line from a defensive line. This isn't the case here. Lando is on the inside at the apex and therefore on the racing line.

[@victorcolacios2802]

​@@John-ok8ts No, what happened was: - Monza 2011, Vettel was about to overtake Alonso and he, Alonso, squished Vettel almost off the track. - Bahrein 2012, Roseberg forced Alonso off the track then Alonso complained, at the post race interview Vettel puts Alonso in a awkward situation joking about "leave a space" because Alonso didint leave a space in Monza 2011. Based on what you said, the defensive driver just need to be at the apex so he can force the other driver off the track 100% of the times, which means we will never see a overtake in the turns, only in the straights which is non sense.

[@John-ok8ts]

@@victorcolacios2802 That's exactly what the defensive driver needs to do and you see it all the time. If you can't make it to the apex ahead then you have no rights. This also applies on the inside. You can't hit the side of the car on the outside if you are coming from behind. If you are ahead and on the inside and they turn into you it's then their fault. The rules aren't as complicated as people make them out to be. F1 has never been easy to overtake around the outside in the corners. That's why it's such a great thing when it does happen and why it was really shitty of Hamilton when he took Albon out but that just shows it's still possible however it's the highest risk move a driver can make. As for the Alonso incident. Yea sorry I got the two races mixed up in terms of time but the point is the same. Drivers are hypocrites when talking about themselves. It's part of the sport.

[@victorcolacios2802]

@@John-ok8ts If the defending car is ahead its ok for the drive to return to the race line, but they were side by side. In the moment they are side by side both are attaking and defending the position.

[@John-ok8ts]

@@victorcolacios2802 You aren't quite getting it. Lando as a result of being on the inside is not on a defending line. He is on the racing line so therefore there's no requirement to leave space since he can't return to a line he's already on. The question then becomes should Lando have to over slow his car and move of the racing line to give him space. Why should he when he's ahead or at the very least level?

[@TrigonFilms]

It’s here!

[@Touchpadse]

What made the Lando penalty so weird for me was that Horner said it was a racing incident

[@theglitch312]

Horner's also biased because a Lando penalty means the Mercs would be P2.

[@roxannelyson7715]

@@theglitch312 Yeah, but you have to remember a couple of things. It's the teams complaining that usually gets the race director to send an investigation to the Stewards. This almost certainly was the case here. It seemed strange that it took so long for the notice to come up for Lando's investigation (it didn't happen until lap 13) so I went back today and looked for a reason why. It came about a lap after Lando and his race engineer had the chatter about his left tire being over worked and Lewis being too quick. Red Bull knew Lewis was going to get by pretty soon so Lando wasn't any use to them any more so complained and it was sent to the Stewards.

[@jesse1086]

Horner is not who we should be looking to for insight. He doesnt know anything and would sell his own children for WCC points

[@shp27493]

@@jesse1086 on the contrary he knows what he is doing, and yes, he would give anything for more wcc points.

[@Touchpadse]

@@jesse1086 true but if the leader of the opposing team sees it as a racing incident (and you can argue the reasons why) that still feels weird since it's generally the opposite way

[@Wizard-kk4lz]

800k : gratz, boys and girls!

[@markovujicic7510]

I agree with giving penalties for not leaving space, as long as they stay consistent and apply the existing rules to similar incidents in the future.

[@selder_7]

That Norris got a P3 finish and was overall more annoyed to not have got more shows how much he’s grown since last year when he was ecstatic for it

[@matthewtowett9754]

TBH anyone would be ecstatic to get a podium in that manner

[@Aemond2024]

They almost seem annoyed by Max. All they can say about him is A* every week and move on lol

[@lesegomalevu700]

I think we all see it. Max has always been quality before this season. And now he is getting the results with the car under him. Nothing much more to say. He is A+. And he is on pole and it’s expected at this point.

[@isaacm2374]

Max is getting the Hamilton treatment. That's what happens when you dominate a race from start to finish.

[@fisheatsyourhead]

@@isaacm2374 how long until people start hating max as much as some people hate Lewis though?

[@isaacm2374]

@@fisheatsyourhead I don't think people will hate him as much as Lewis but when he starts winning multiple championships and wins races from lights to flag then he will definitely get the RedBull Vettel hate. But Max has a whole country passionately behind something Lewis and Seb didn't really have.

[@matejkotrba9757]

@@fisheatsyourhead already plenty of hate on Max, sadly. I feel like his actual pure skill and racecraft is being overshadowed by the whole "RB be fast this year". The season is anything but boring, yet people have a short memory and already talk about "domination". But I am just excited to see the young talent that got me back into F1 as he is finally leading up front

[@baker3423]

Thank you for being objective when it came to the penalties. Every other broadcaster/analyst showed their bias by siding with Lando and Leclerc at the same time.

[@alexthom5399]

could they not have to put the pit lane speed limiter on when entering double waved yellows?

[@niks2392]

Ralf Schumacher said on German Sky, that he hates the rule that you have to always give space when someone goes round the outside and I have to say I agree. If someone decides to go for that and can't make it work before the apex, it's their fault

[@John-ok8ts]

Alonso backed out of the situations which would have put his car in the position of Perez and waited until a cleaner point in time and that's what Perez should have done also. Otherwise you will see people dive bombing on the outside or the inside and argue they should always be given space if they get a little bit of overlap. It would make F1 far more dangerous not less.

[@hanadd7034]

This! I think the part of racing is 'know' where and when you can overtake not just dive bombing everywhere

[@GloomGaiGar]

This. Perez would have easily done it in a straight with the speed of the Honda engine or undercut Norris.

[@daguzify]

Yea!!! Only pass in DRS!!!! Very exciting

[@emmasimpson5366]

100% thank you!! The reason George and alonso was an example of good hard racing was Alonso tried to overtake smart and safe. You should not have to give up your position when someone else is taking the risk

[@daguzify]

You misspelled boring

[@jakecowley5726]

See you (maybe) at Silverstone. Only been waiting since we bought tickets in 2019.

[@dkwsdodocos5529]

I think that the warning system is perfect for those run off situations where they do something illegal but there is no real consequence such as gasly and Norris in France

[@JoshyJay]

Wow.. the thought of 4 way championship battles in the future. VER, NOR, LEC, RUS. Red Bull, McClaren, Ferrari and Mercedes.

[@Isaiah_McIntosh]

Crazy when you put it like that.

[@JoshyJay]

@@Isaiah_McIntosh TSU, STR, SHU, ZHO, NIS, FIT leading the other teams in the midfield battle

[@joseastorga2881]

My late three word race review: Lando was Schumacher-esque.

[@hawaiiSpeeDemoN]

Literally every person within F1: Should've just been a racing incident, tbh.

[@ignls8809]

I mean, if it’s written in the rules that you can’t do that. The rules are equal to every driver so I don’t understand all this drama, there were a lot of illegal actions and the Fia did what they needed to do: punish those who ignore these rules

[@goncalosan-payo8860]

When Max overtook Hamilton on the outside of turn 4 in bahrein it was considered illegal. If there was gravel on the outside of that corner the stewards would say Hamilton pushed him off. Yesterday if there was a run off at turn 4 and Perez overtook Norris, the stewards would probably say it was an illegal overtake. The run off being gravel or asphalt should NOT impact the rules. If the driver in front has the racing line, the driver at the back needs to back off. If it ends up in the gravel that’s his fault Edit: I’m not saying Max’s overtake was legal or that Norris didn’t force Perez off the track. I’m saying penalties have to be consistent independently of the run off. Penalize offense not consequence.

[@rjfaber1991]

With all due respect, that's a bit like saying that there should be no difference in how you play field hockey and ice hockey, because it's basically the same game and the surface on which it's played shouldn't matter. Except it does, of course it does. It's not like drivers aren't acutely aware of the kind of surface on the runoff of a corner, and it's perfectly reasonable to expect them to treat each other differently because of it.

[@vincentras1991]

@@rjfaber1991 that’s comparing apples and pears. He has a fair point. It’s the same game. Not Ice hockey and normal hockey. Those are really different games with very different rules.

[@SWatchik]

This 100%. Gasly at france should have got a penalty for running Lando off under these same conditions. They're choosing penalties because of the consequence not the offense

[@Boerkreeelis]

The main difference is that Lewis allowed racing room. Verstappen went wide after a snap of oversteer but if he had been able to just drive the line he wanted without the oversteer, he would have been able to complete the move without leaving the track. For Perez, that was not even an option, as his possibility to overtake was taken from him by Lando forcing him off track.

[@lightninlarry8936]

In Bahrain, Lewis didn't force him off track. Max was well ahead of Hamilton at the corner exit but went wide. In Austria, Lando punted Checo off track. They are two completely different incidents.

[@KentRodgman]

Katy's fired up!

[@ryaramaf1gobshite397]

What is the difference between NOR/PER move to the VER/HAM at imola I’ve been calling this move the VER move for the past 4yrs & he’s not had a single penalty he even did it to LEC last yr on the same track!!!but different corner!!!

[@nathanhartford3937]

All this discussion of side by side/pushing off makes me think of Bahrain. It looked at the time like Hamilton pushed verstappen off, and instead of Louis getting a penalty, Max was forced to give the spot back.

[@matt_dobson0614]

Hamilton didn't force Verstappen off the track though. The reason Max ran wide was because he carried too much speed into the corner in order to try and pass Lewis. It's not like they were side-by-side and Lewis gave him no other option.

[@FraserElphick]

Get katy a long form weekly episode called wtf1 indeapth! She is great and very analytical!

[@jacobgivens7906]

To solve qualifying issues, make it a one lap shot out, each car goes out in reverse championship order and bam no impeding penalties. The only way a persons lap is impeded or impacted is through personal mistake and track evolution

[@jacobgivens7906]

@Parth SHINDE I agree that traffic is an important part of Motorsport, it’s just that a one shot qualifying removes a controversial aspect by given teams one 150% lap time as an outlap and then their hot lap and then an in lap at 150% of a normal lap time

[@GARBO96]

No it felt like a lap one because when lando and his engineer were talking about it lando specifically said lap one

[@EelooYT]

The waving is back as always!

[@aaronscheer8130]

coming to the most important thing in this video: I just hope that explorer is at least in beefy drop C

[@yt_Ajay_]

I remember watching Raikkonen crash into Vettel and thinking "it's probably time he stopped."

[@CeciliaADC]

LOVE 👏 KATY'S 👏 RANTS 👏

[@CharleneClair1]

Bottas also got a penalty during the Styrian Grand Prix for his pit lane pirouette.

[@robertsepners4067]

I wish you all three would use seamless headphones like Katy, just makes it feel a bit more comfortable and engaging as there aren't huge headphones blocking parts of your face. But that's just a small tip that doesn't really matter lol, still love the podcasts ;)

[@captaintoyota3171]

Seriously? What a useless thing to complain about

[@robertsepners4067]

@@captaintoyota3171 lol yes 😂😅, those two look like they are about to go grind some first person shooters 😂, and what else to complain about if everything else to me seems perfect :)

[@GARBO96]

You want to know why the Alonzo versus George Battle was so good because George knows how to give space while defending It's called racecraft

[@user-yt1bj6ys4u]

Also “ALL THE TIME YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THE SPACE”

[@HavenAshley]

They were both good, it was nice to see the respect between them

[@zulubunsen9067]

Can you please talk about your Top5 predictions that you post directly before the race next time? I'm specifically interested in what substance Tommy chose to come up with his one (ie. Pér, Nor, Sai, Gas, Lec) :P

[@lorenamadrazo9902]

It would be so cool if you guys had a segment after or during abcdef1 where you rank the drivers from 1 to 20 according to performance. So then if more than one driver has the same grade you guys can talk about who did better. kinda like B stars.

[@zcat752]

love katy's contributions, my favorite part of the podcast!

[@rusedgin]

Matt is pronouncing Pérez instead of Prez!!! 😂 👏👏👏👏

[@2404lauren]

100% agree with Katy about permanent stewards who have experience racing on the track. Unless someone has been on that level and experienced the limits that it pushes you too you cannot say whether something is dangerous or not. I get that F1 is trying to be more excitable for new fans and fan retention but you also have to keep in mind that they are racing for position wheel to wheel but expect there to be adequate safety measures in place.

[@WhiskyCanuck]

BTW, I feel that there should be a hard speed limit for double-yellow flags (ie something in the neighbourhood of the pit lane speed limit) to make it more of a clear cut decision & actions from the drivers. It's possible this could create it's own safety issues, so it would need to be studied & perhaps that would depend on the implementation.

[@marcusgriess9264]

Crazy idea: move the gravel back and make the track wider so the outside line isn't compromised? Stewards still the core issue probably though

[@jazzzjasper]

3 word race review review: Russell got manscaped ;)

[@annerud9625]

You should do this in Texas. That would be awesome.

[@Questerer]

Be Corona save at silverstone. Have fun I wish I was there!

[@rosssheppard4412]

Honoured to be included for predictions two weeks in a row

[@WhiskyCanuck]

Checo did used to have a reputation for being overly aggressive & driving with the elbows out from his McLaren stint, but hasn't seen much of that since then. But as a write that now I remember the times he came together with Ocon at Force India, so maybe he hadn't mellowed as much as I thought and it's more dependent on how competitive & with whom he's competing against for those tendencies to come out?

[@roxannelyson7715]

Something to think about with Danny Ric. The first four races, he out-qualified Lando 3-1 and, in the races scored 2 P6s, a P7 and a P9. Then Lando's long term contract extension was announced. Since then, Daniel hasn't out-qualified Lando once in 5 races. He's finished out of the points twice and only finished in the points at Baku because of Max's and Lance's bizarre tire failures and Lewis's "Magic button" brake issue (he finished P9). France was a given because of McLaren's out right speed of the car. This has been his only decent race since then and even this race he couldn't pass the Alpha Tauri for half the race (which if he had, he probably wouldn't have been overtaken by Carlos at the end).

[@reemkhattar]

But why should that affect him? He just started with the team and won’t leave before 2022, it’s not like his seat is insecure cz of Lando staying 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@roxannelyson7715]

@@reemkhattar I have no idea. But the stats are what they are. He was performing better before Lando's contract extension was announced. That may change later on. But, for now, it's the truth.

[@Alexander27463]

There should be a button on the steeeing wheel that needs to be pressed during the entire sector. Sort of like a pitlimiter but maybe not as slow

[@eduardoFIFA]

Hey some non bias stuff by Matt in here!

[@himanshurh4610]

About the Penalty points part from Tommy I completely agree that for track limits it should be a penalty in the race and not a penalty point. For eg. In the Game GranTourismo Sport we do get a penalty when ignoring track limits but the SR is not affected whereas it is affected if you collide with a car ( Although the penalties are not consistent and sometimes it is given wrongly but yes the part about the SR being affected is consistent)