2022 Best Upper Large SUV | LandCruiser v Defender v Patrol | Drive.com.au DCOTY

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There aren’t many more legendary nameplates in four-wheel-drive circles than LandCruiser, Defender and Patrol. And, in 2022, these off-road legends go head-to-head once again.
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[@Chopperbob56]

I’ve owned 4 LR’s in my lifetime. I bought the 2020 p400 and I have been absolutely blown away with it’s off road and on road ability. I’m just now at 30,000 miles and I still get excited just to make a run to the store. As far as reliability well I’ve never had a problem with any . A few small things yes in the older cars but overall they have been amazing. Bottom line , I love the car , there is absolutely nothing else I would rather drive.

[@gixxr88]

How does it compare to the disco 4? P400is petrol hybrid right? Nothing is as comfy as a lr hence I wanna get one again but with warranty 😅

[@Chopperbob56]

@@gixxr88 I honestly couldn’t say . I haven’t owned a D4 . And yes it’s a “ mild hybrid “. Loving it more every day … Brilliant. I do like the look of the Defender compared to the Disco but I’m sure you would like a bit more feedback. Cheers

[@gixxr88]

@@Chopperbob56 I'll have to test drive it, I drove a 300 series for a few hours and back did hurt which never did hurt in the disco, other than that the 300 was great

[@Chopperbob56]

@@gixxr88 Wow , interesting. I have gone on several rood trips and have been extremely comfortable. I will say that the seat material itself is a bit hard to clean. Also check the tire pressure if you take the p400 for a drive. Set the tires for normal load. The 10 extra PSI in heavy Load does add some percussion to the ride. Good Luck 👍

[@ticolindo2010]

In my life I have not seen Land Rovers in the Middle East, everyone drives Toyotas and in the countries where the UN has missions I only see Toyotas because they are the most reliable SUVs in the world

[@aresu6976]

In the Middle East, people drive mostly both Nissan Patrols and Toyota Land Cruisers. I live in the UAE and I've seen a lot. We actually own one as well.

[@harrywaristian7663]

it's because they've never felt a defender

[@Countrysideboy247]

@@harrywaristian7663 lmao, they did try defenders and they turned out to be some of the worst vehicles

[@harrywaristian7663]

@@Countrysideboy247 hahahhaa nonsense

[@saadmuhammed1029]

Come to Qatar and you will see each Qatari household having Range rovers and defenders.

[@josem6929]

Defender is best as an all around performer. Reliability would be hard for them to test, and would be unfair for them to assume or guess. It is on the potential buyer to do their research and know if they want to keep the car 10 plus years or be changing it in 5. Same goes for ease of modification for touring or hard tracks driving. So, let's not start insulting the work they have done to come to their conclusion, just because your favorite car was not chosen.

[@cyclemoto8744]

Motoring reviews generally don't take reliability into consideration. When reviewing a 4wd, reliability should be a key aspect. The simple fact is that LR have a proven record of unreliable vehicles over the past 20 years. Fact!. Argue to your heart's content, it will not make any difference. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of a new Defender but hate the idea of spending that much money and risking the consequences.

[@martinmcdonald4207]

@@cyclemoto8744 Spot on. Jose M is another defender of the Defender! It cannot compare to the real world reality of ownership, service and the fact you get your money back when you decide to sell it on 15 years later is always reassuring. Land Rover`s of all shapes and sizes can only dream of such a reputation, Landy heads are delusional! Viva the mighty Toyota Land Cruiser 300.

[@buddhababeoz]

@@cyclemoto8744 I've been researching stories of problems and failures, many more than I'd like to experience. But for the looks comfort and capability Defender tops it for me...A hard decision.

[@zindagijeenede]

Do you own an suv ?

[@faridjahanshahi250]

new defender is the real suv and best , this vehicle is good for on road and real offroad

[@acemandave7726]

Not even a SUV by definition when the new defender is a unibody vehicle, real SUV’s are body on truck frame for better agility and offroad advantage. That defender is basically a suped up crossover, and I understand why OG LR fans are upset about it.

[@jurghhh1528]

Had to double check the title. Where’s the footage of the other two cars so we can make some conclusions for ourselves?

[@Moha-De-G]

tnx exactely

[@didiermodica7336]

Until you have at least one generation of LRs with a good reliability. No matter how luxurious, technological, etc they come. You can never put them on any podium.

[@raghavshankara5601]

Don't worry there are people looking for laxury vehicle too.

[@defjam2026]

So no criteria on longevity and reliability?

[@brookesnuts]

How do you test that Just On a Name

[@Coastmac2001]

The D300 Is the pick for heavy off roading . The PPF fitted petrols don't like deep water crossings & the filter can end up suffering serious damage . This was proven during testing in the US about 18 months ago where a P400 apparently was totally written off . If you do prefer a petrol, keep it well under the Max allowable wading depth. Diesels don't appear to have any issues.

[@danwhite9436]

Obviously winner. Choice of engines. Swb and Lwb. Great payload and towing.

[@abymathew295]

Defender is indeed an impressive vehicle, but I don't trust it on a long, remote Off road trail.🤕🤕

[@textliter]

As opposed to the Land Cruiser which is in itself not trustworthy.

[@keanualexander8955]

@@textliter in what way ?

[@fourbysolo]

@@keanualexander8955 the fact it has to be serviced every 10,000km or 6 months.

[@ehholden2376]

@@fourbysolo that's the best servicing time to look after any make of car

[@fourbysolo]

@@ehholden2376 and for Toyota to make a shed load more money. 😀

[@paulberry9391]

Can I ask, do you take into account touring? Ability to get repairs in the outback? What accessories can you get, Bull bar, winch etc. how upgradable are they say for a GVM.. yes you can say your only rating them as stock, but if someone buys one for touring thinking they have the best option, well do they really..... your thoughts would be appreciated on this... all good vehicles though and just in case you are wondering, I purchased my Discovery 4 based on your review when it won a few years back and had issues getting parts traveling as also trouble finding people to work on it in the outback .... look forward to reading your thoughts...regards..

[@collinstebbins2598]

My disco 4 has been all over Australia and not found the same problem. Im curious where you define the ‘outback’. What parts did you struggle with while travelling ?

[@paulberry9391]

@@collinstebbins2598 Hi Collin, as an example I did the Gibb River road, the day prior to starting I got a knock in the front. Went to 4 places before anyone would have a look. They said not sure can't see anything so you should be ok.. got to Broome where by now it was worse, again most places said they didn't work on Land Rovers. I found a place and they were great, had a chopped out lower control arm bush , told me it would be roughly 2 to 3 weeks to get the part or I could go to Perth to Land Rover.... don't get me wrong great cars for east coast and major cities and the D4 I could get aftermarket products for them. But if you look at what R&D is happening out there and what your going to get parts for in most places its a land cruiser. But the Defender is a great car 100%... have a great weekend and appreciate your feedback..

[@romeoguitar]

which is best for SYD floods and pot holes

[@angelaclose4460]

Plenty of d3 and d4 DISCOVERIES with over 300k on them and reliability still comes up landrover have cleaned up their act yet always get compared to the old series models from an era when all cars were a bit touch and go

[@watpat4930]

Plenty of those also read something like: Body has 300,000km but the motor only has 100,000. Don't get me wrong, if they were more reliable I'd buy again in a heartbeat! Loved my D4, but a failed gearbox, rear E-diff, and various electrical gremlins that left me stuck on the bump stop 12 hours from nowhere is enough to put off even the most dedicated customer!

[@angelaclose4460]

I get that I myself have been stuck but I feel when you buy a vehicle with class leading tech this can happen but why do Toyota feel it's alright to charge ridiculous prices for a vehicle that also has problems though not spoken about in polite conversation and using what could hardly be called luxury accessories

[@tempestv8]

Plenty of snapped crankshafts on TDV6 and SDV6 motors too. Let's hope the new Ingenium inline six diesel is heaps better in regard to reliability. Top marks for ZF auto gearbox.

[@aaronw9035]

Did you think that maybe the road to getting 300k on the clock was a long painful and expensive road?

[@JackInDaBoxx]

Thanks for the Land Rover sponsored video 👌🏻 why advertise it as a vehicle Vs vehicle video when you go straight to the conclusion and show no footage of the other vehicles off roading and actually showing as the "comparison"

[@youssefhakim1055]

Even though it is better looking and more comfortable, because it is packed with technology (turbo, electronic assistance etc.), it is more at risk of failures on the long run. For those who sell their car at 100,000 to 150,000 km, the Defender is maybe a better choice. For those like me who keep cars longer, maybe a more simple car like the Land Cruiser or the Patrol will last longer with less trouble. My Pajero is 17 years old and 170,000 km with not a single failure (except once when turning on the air-conditionner made it overheat once and in the same day the dealer changed a small piece). My friends with land rovers experienced a few complications and much higher maintenance costs. However, the Defender 130, with its 3rd raw seats suitable for adults, beats the Land Cruiser and Patrol for those carrying more than 5 adults.

[@JoseRodrigues-ko3fl]

Well, is this a land rover review? The title of video Is wrong

[@lucgeraerts6672]

The Def is definetly the coolest car on the road today🥰

[@FJUH]

No, it’s definitely the Suzuki Jimny!

[@martinmcdonald4207]

Lada 4x4 is cheaper and cooler!

[@acemandave7726]

Not even a SUV by definition when the new defender is a unibody vehicle, real SUV’s are body on truck frame for better agility and offroad advantage. That defender is basically a suped up crossover, and I understand why OG LR fans are upset about it.

[@Mr.mysterious76]

This is a good summary. Why does this video have less views, i came here from the website

[@amirrezarezaie]

Defender is the best SUV for the entire 1 year that it will last.

[@amirrezarezaie]

@BINAYA KASTHAKAR Owned 2. It’s good to just stay quiet sometimes 🤫

[@sportsmaster8729]

@@amirrezarezaie Binaya is the true defender of the Defender 😂 the dude been responding to anyone that talks trash about the Defender 😂

[@thekimika]

@@sportsmaster8729 lol

[@JimmyStewpot]

Does the defender come with smaller rim sizes or are the low profile tires the only option. Woy like to know what car had the flat you mentioned too.

[@billybob1511]

18 inch is available.

[@StephenFogarty2023]

Tyre size depends on the model. Entry level models have 18” wheels AT tyres are a no cost option Clearly, u will get tyres to suit your requirements

[@spudboy1328]

Defender has enormous capability and is comfortable as anyone could want in a 4x4. But the unspoken question is how reliable it will be, and how are you going to get it repaired if you break down outside of a capital city. Dealers don't have a great reputation, so even if you do break down near one, you're unlikely to get well looked after. Break down in the outback and you'll be in for a long trip on the back of a flat-bed truck. I have much love for Land Rovers and have owned more than 10, but the Defender has strayed too far from it's roots as a utilitarian vehicle, and it's just another Discovery level product now, for city based folks. Too complicated and too expensive.

[@vindieter]

Go to your local Toyota dealer and ask them how easy it’ll be to fix compared to the 200.

[@Wonka_Tonka]

rather a patrol + use the saving on new boat/jetski/caravan

[@f1b1777]

What a surprise

[@nepalesenewar573]

Defender? is it fantastic on how often it breaks down?

[@aaronadkins8234]

Getting tired of the constant repeating of unproven claims against land rover. Everyone cites Consumer reports, no one has any data on land rover. Every one repeats some other comment they heard or that "they know a guy who has a friend who is a mechanic and says land rovers suck". Land Rovers are only as high maintenance as their owners. A Toyota could be on fire and the fans would say everything is fine. A land rover owner might get streak in the windshield because of an old wiper and they'd take it to a dealer and complain. Through advertising land rover has appealed to a higher maintenance audience and consumer and so has gained a reputation of higher maintenance. I moved from years of LC ownership to a discovery and I dont look back.

[@nepalesenewar573]

@@aaronadkins8234 ok i get it, long story. short, Land rovers are for rich people

[@cresedian6769]

@@nepalesenewar573 But isn't the LC300 and Defender around the same price?

[@nepalesenewar573]

@@cresedian6769 yeah except for LC300 does not break as often and cost as much to fiiix

[@cresedian6769]

@@nepalesenewar573 How do you know it's only been out for a year and there are hardly any on the road. Are you obtaining your facts buy using a confirmation, anchoring or misinformation bias?

[@henkstols9326]

Yes I think the LR is the best looking inside and out with nice features and people will buy them in numbers, great vehicle on paper and it seems in real life. The only thing is this vehicle will need to prove itself wrt reliability, too early to call a vehicle great and it's amazing until the vehicle have been around for awhile.and it's proven itself. I would personally buy the Ineos if I could afford these or even the patrol but I can't argue that LR have done a amazing job with this.

[@aaronadkins8234]

What information do you have on reliability of land rovers? Any data? Or just repeating KZbin comments and consumer reports?

[@henkstols9326]

@@aaronadkins8234 I don't know maybe a 4x4 Community member that reads up on crank cases that detonate on the Disco 3 and 4. Also follow TFL cars and they had I think 3 dud new Defenders before getting basically an upgrade because of their YT channel. That's just skimming the info from first hand users I have access to, so maybe they don't like their own vehicles.

[@aaronadkins8234]

@@henkstols9326 well, I'm a long time fan of both land cruisers and land rovers. Find they both have advantages and disadvantages. Neither is better than the other. TFL are ridiculous and their stunts with the defender were laughable and fabricated for the sake of drama and YT views. Worst of all was the video with the blown tires. I wouldn't trust them to review an ox cart.

[@henkstols9326]

@@aaronadkins8234 if you follow TFL you will notice that they owned a few older LR and really liked them, they aren't doing extreme hardcore trails with most of their vehicles and the issues they had were not really due to abusing their vehicle.

[@vindieter]

So you would rather buy a car/brand with no track record that you don’t know will still exist in 10 years?

[@Ivan-iq8bu]

seemed like a Land Rover commercial not a review, much less a comparison given the other two hardly featured

[@6500yp]

Landcruiser number 1

[@VictorDeraberu]

It's more like a landrover advert

[@reggie861]

Another great review, you guys like Land Rover and the Defender looks good, but I'm holding out for the new Range Rover.

[@henriquenicolau]

also the Defender's got the look

[@acemandave7726]

Not even a SUV by definition when the new defender is a unibody vehicle, real SUV’s are body on truck frame for better agility and offroad advantage. That defender is basically a suped up crossover, and I understand why OG LR fans are upset about it.

[@henriquenicolau]

@@acemandave7726 true. but it is a more solid build though. And also there's the fact that they've done it thinking about the EV versions that will come at some point.

[@jerryfrench2981]

The thing is when you buy the land rover - you buy the land rover. There isn't any expectation you will be modifying it. My last 3 cars have been discovery, 2, discovery 3 & RR sport. I just bought a LC 300 Sahara. It's just been into ARB & had a 2 inch lift, bull bar, driving lights, recovery points, winch & radio put in. Also had a GVM upgrade. It'll go back in when the suspension needs a check at 500KM for Snorkel, steel bash plates, diff breather kit. I will also put rock sliders but not from ARB as I don't like the look of theirs. I will also put a rear E-locker on it. I suspect after this it will be a more capable vehicle than the defender. I think it drives nearly as well as my RR sport. It's a bit noisier but as it's more agricultural in nature I expect this. I bought the LC fully expecting to modify it from stock.

[@livingstonekot757]

Is it just me or does it seem like this is just another one of those paid commercials...?? I don't see any actual testing done here... Just a bunch of 3 second clips stitched together with the narrator praising the Defender all along...

[@tonysmeriglio5004]

Don't worry the Land cruiser will tow the defender back to base when it breaks down as normal!

[@aaronadkins8234]

Getting tired of the constant repeating of unproven claims against land rover. Everyone cites Consumer reports, no one has any data on land rover. Every one repeats some other comment they heard or that "they know a guy who has a friend who is a mechanic and says land rovers suck". Land Rovers are only as high maintenance as their owners. A Toyota could be on fire and the fans would say everything is fine. A land rover owner might get streak in the windshield because of an old wiper and they'd take it to a dealer and complain. Through advertising land rover has appealed to a higher maintenance audience and consumer and so has gained a reputation of higher maintenance. I moved from years of LC ownership to a discovery and I dont look back.

[@thecustomer2684]

@Aaron Adkins I agree completely. Land Rover have unfairly developed a reputation of unreliability. Yes, both of my Land Rovers (a 1974 Series 3 88” and a 2000 TD5 Discovery 2 with 500k kms on the clock) are off the road at the moment, but they’re always fixable. Parts are always available from somewhere. There is a certain “Land Rover tax” where everything is kinda expensive but that’s just Land Rover. I wouldn’t say they break down/stuff on them breaks any more or less than a Land Cruiser or any other brand. They’re painful to fix sometimes, yes, and have an infinite amount of nuances that only the owners can understand. But in general, you can rely on them to get you where you need to go. Both of mine are old, and tend to last a couple weeks or months before the next thing pops up. Always sick, but never dead.

[@spudboy1328]

@@aaronadkins8234 It is just a fact that LRs have a stinking reputation for reliability. Too many people have been let down by either the product's reliabilty or the dealer network's hopelessness for it to be ignored. I love Land Rovers - I've had 10 or more. They have history and tradition and style and capability and comfort. But I crossed the Simpson in a Toyota. My 110 probably would have made it, but I'd trust a Toyota a LOT more. I hope your Disco gives you a good run, but the complexity and the build quality are stacked against this. I've had my Disco flat-beded twice, so I've seen it happen in person first hand.

[@aaronadkins8234]

@@spudboy1328 but you're just proving my point here. Stating it's a fact, but then giving no numbers to back that up, only subjective perspectives. My dad's land cruiser has been towed out of the bush twice in the past year. Does that mean land cruisers are not reliable? No not at all. And consumer reports are based on expectations and largely rely on the type of person that will respond to a survey or not.

[@spudboy1328]

@@aaronadkins8234 I was commenting on their reputation for unreliableness. Just read these comments and count the number of times unreliability is the subject of the comment. The new one might in fact be quite reliable, although on past history I sincerely doubt it, but it is going to take decades for LR to erase their reputation. Skoda did it, so it is possible, but first you need a good decade of solid reliable vehicles to sway people's perceptions.

[@yuridaman]

Those that would buy a Land Cruiser would grand buy a land cruiser. We don't need any justification from those who don't get it.

[@SuperBajafresh]

But have any of you posting here ever driven down the Baja off-roads to test those vehicles out? That's will result in a true evaluation. Go for it! Then, on you tube check out the Baja 500 and 1,000 races, they're fun! 😛...don't forget to Post your results/finding after you drove the Baja off-roads. 🚧

[@arseniosapatinha2030]

Another LR Defender review!

[@jaisabai4155]

Thanks for giving costs, even though they are scary 😳 I'm interested to know details about that flat tyre. Pity you didn't show us. Was it a cut sidewall? What brand tyre?

[@Drivecomau]

It was one of our utes the BT-50, hit a sharp rock in a ditch while turning, unsure of the brand wheel.

[@danielbredenkamp3957]

Mmm Land Cruiser all day and any day above a JLR product...reliability on Defender is a problem....

[@BnayaOfficial]

1) Nissan Patrol 2) Land Cruiser 3) Land Rover Defender

[@MrLaurieLewis]

Didn’t theDiscover6 make the grade?

[@apsgill12]

You should've shown the all three and then announced the winner in the end, it's more a LR Defender review than a comparison video.

[@sportsmaster8729]

And this is the problem that no one in the comments is talking about I'd like to know where did the other two cars lost points and why but that we will never know 😂. A misleading title what a disappointment 😞

[@hanumkas]

Exactly my point too.

[@abdulrahmanalazmi4837]

You should change the title name to ‘Defender review’

[@maureencora1]

2023 I Take the Defender 110.

[@dzat]

The toyota will be the most reliable esp when you are out at a remote place...i'll take the toyota or even the nissan

[@Heavy-Vehicle-Driving-School]

Land Rover sponsored video

[@jaxlexus384]

Is this paid by Land Rover lol

[@martinmcdonald4207]

Of course it was.

[@abelicious4329]

Tag of war can define them well

[@oliverwabwire2836]

Land Rover has quite outdone themselves with the new Defender110.....except it's seven seat capability falls short, perhaps to allow slotting of a 130?

[@StephenFogarty2023]

Yes 130 model should be released in the UK approx July this year. 130 is same wheelbase as the 110, but with about 30 cm of extra length at the rear. Much more room as a 7 seater, and more cargo space

[@prabhatrangari4720]

Defender is the monster car 🚙

[@ramiznaderi]

Toyota number 1 and LR 2 nissan 3

[@MrTonaluv]

What about towing? These vehicles (in Australia) are using alot for towing and LandCruiser/Patrol must be better at that. Why no mention? And enough of the stupid 'paid promotion' comments. It IS based on judges points however we can still dispute the result without allegations of bribery.

[@danbskyguy]

Defenders best at that too!

[@StephenFogarty2023]

Defender can tow 3.5 t, AND it has more payload then the Patrol & LC. LR have always been excellent tow vehicles. Great GVM Great GCM With the electric air suspension, it’s a brilliant tow vehicle

[@chipstacks83]

Got mine in Santorini black (black on black)

[@Colin-b7h]

He never mentioned the rattles in the defender my 110 2023 rattles like a parrot cage. Does everything else perfectly and dealers have not assisted , they are lemons

[@rob5521]

Defender looks superb but no ways I’ll drive into Namibia for overland trip and be comfortable I won’t break down . Land cruiser will get us home .

[@raghavshankara5601]

How long you say the same joke?

[@marojusandeep8591]

Tata defender ❤

[@23860]

Reliability is key point of all land rovers:)

[@jaxlexus384]

Lol

[@warrencramer4516]

What the...

[@martinmcdonald4207]

A sore point! I`ll go Toyota Land Cruiser every day, if just for the reliability and resale of course. A Land Cruiser is an investment, unlike a Range Rover which will rip the shirt off your back throughout ownership and moving it on!

[@FFAAHHDD2007]

Wrong comparison

[@TheIvancigarro]

seems like a land rover advertisement.

[@shadowstorm4376]

Defender with supercharged V8 plz. Not coz I want to tow or go off-road but I’d be off the line fastest after dropping the kids off.

[@parso1113]

What about reliability and resale? Landrovers are terrible on both.

[@hotrod7603]

People buy landrovers for luxury, ride comfort , refinement, technology, status not for reliability or resale you should go drive your boring garbage toyota

[@tesla_models]

Yes but lot better than your outdated ugly land cruiser

[@p.ashukkur4613]

its a paid promotion from LR

[@jmjtv92]

@@hotrod7603 true

[@Jakeman302]

@@tesla_models You do know the 300 came out late last year right 😂

[@lufteze2916]

Haha winner LR ? 🌚

[@cybermatstrikes7557]

Wow 3 cars with no supply!

[@godzen22]

Is this a review of Land rover?? 🙄

[@waqarkhalid3331]

I just like the Nissan patrol not to go Off road or anything just a neighbourhood cruiser ;)

[@ahss6275]

What about reliability and customer service after purchase???👎👎👎👎

[@Pato-ml7nt]

If i’d to choose for free, I pick the LR all day. Sell it then get the LC300 😂

[@raghavshankara5601]

If u drive the defender once. You will never go to cruiser again 😂

[@reneguerrero4657]

They should do a test which vehicle has the best comfort while on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck. I’m sure the defender will win that too.

[@muhammadabidshahzad3916]

LC is best

[@TheAthavanleon]

Love Defender - Think JLR have done an amazing job - However its not a serious off-roader. It is a off road vehicle but not an off road vehicle people can build as a tourer. The one thing I do not agree with Drive - You do not do review you are presenting a car on behalf of a manufacturer. A true reviewer should talk about longevity and reliability. That goes to all brands you review. Car with 100 KM on the lock is not car - its a new toy. And day to day customer hardworking public need more information in a car.

[@smuy3782]

No new car reviews go into long term reliability because mostly they can't. Landcruiser and Defender here are both really new ground up models so how can they comment on that? Past models reliability can't objectively be used because it would be making assumptions that reliability hasn't been either improved or declined from the previous models. You should check out redriven if you want longevity reviews. They are great reviews too.

[@TheAthavanleon]

@@smuy3782 I do watch Redriven- how a good journalist would analyse the past behaviour and how the product had been developed prior it's release. All I am saying is they can not come and say its the best SUV because it feel luxurious.

[@smuy3782]

@@TheAthavanleon I think as a review what they are doing is correct. They drive the cars, they talk about what they experience. Comfort, handling, capability, practicality etc. I reckon they covered most of that. I think what you are looking for is investigative journalism which doesn't exist in the automotive media. Any time anyone mentions the testing and development that has gone into a new model is because it was included press pack they received at the launch.

[@Ezone_X]

Upper large SUV? Americans: That's Cute!!, Patrol for me, but not the australian/RHD version that still stuck in 2009. LC is really good, but too small to be fullsize suv. really small if ur family of 6footers

[@afrikaeddy6336]

That can not go to a warzone with those clumsy plastic bumpers. It's may be a discovery but not the warriors godfather defender

[@user-rv6zk1pp7r]

Unsurprisingly the LR came out on top, and unsurprisingly the land rover fans just don’t get why these vehicles have limited popularity. I’ve lived & worked in the outback all my adult life and the only time I see LRs is when someone from the city drives by or I happen to go past a station lay down yard & see a series 2 that broke Half a century ago. Compared to Japanese vehicles they have limited tyre options in regional areas, they have no dealer networks (northern WA for example has Toyota dealerships in Broome, Kununurra, Halls creek) & a heap of independent mechanics in between know these vehicles inside out. And for people who want to go touring there’s SFA aftermarket accessories in comparison. So it doesn’t matter how many awards they win, or how many pasty motoring journos give them the thumbs up they’ll never have the popularity of the SE Asian vehicles

[@juanelfuango5250]

Did you consider the reliability (or lack thereof) of JLR products vs Toyota or Nissan? No, of course you didn't.

[@Mexxx65]

Left to Land Rover owners to do the considering

[@cresedian6769]

How can you consider reliability of either the LC300 or Defender as this cannot be measured yet. Therefore, to lump all LRs or Toyotas onto a single basket to measure any desired variable is stupid.

[@edgarchieng2130]

Defender is now an upper large? Really? If you have to bring a Land Rover into the comparison against the Cruiser and Patrol it should have been the Discovery. The Defender is in the same class as G Wagon and Toyota 70 series cruiser.

[@tempestv8]

Yup, the Defender is really not all that big, especially in the cargo bay area. Absolutely tiny and a lot of wasted space underneath the false floor.

[@user-rv6zk1pp7r]

Not anymore, it used to be in the same class as those vehicles as it was utilitarian, had live axles & simple systems. It’s now just a disco with a defender name badge on it

[@bigbig337]

Left when they awarded to Defender. The sales figure does not lie.

[@madmantovalhalla6971]

What a load of BS Good luck getting parts in the bush or in Australia 🇦🇺 for 1 and the fact that the car will be worth F all in 5 year no bars or suspension kits or gvm upgrades

[@martinmcdonald4207]

Ah but it looks pretty in Chelsea`s little streets, all butched up with nowhere to go!

[@raghavbaroliya]

Wrong comparison Land cruiser and patrol both are luxury suvs while lr defender is offroader class vehicle/proper offroader . Land cruiser belongs from the segment of cadillac escalade , range rover , merc gls ,bmw x7 ,lincoln navigator, infiniti qx80,lexus lx600 ,etc

[@danielmasungwa5546]

Wait? A defender is bigger than the 309 series? Really?

[@GR8Tmate]

🤦‍♂️ My thought too. The Defender is actually a tad higher, 1967 v 1905mm, a tad wider, 2008mm v 1970mm but is shorter at 4323 v 4950. The Landcruiser feels bigger on the inside but the Defender feels more high end. For $140-$150k for the upper end Landcruisers, they’re a little bit lacking in finish imo & I’m a cruiser guy……

[@drcolentuaundu]

Did Land Rover paid these judges? `They are so imbalance... they should also highlight the pros and cons of the other two vehicles. How did the other two loose points, what criteria where used.

[@sportsmaster8729]

I don't doubt that the Defender is a great off-road vehicle, with all the tech and all the off-road stuff it really is the best off-roaders. As you mentioned the problem here is the fact that this was never a comparison instead it was a review of the Defender. To me that title is very misleading I came here expecting a good comparison instead I just hear the Defender is the winner 20/20 but nothing is mentioned about the competitors.

[@hmusman8556]

Only one side review not a real review

[@australianmade2659]

I wouldn’t drive a defender anywhere remote. But that’s just me as I like to get home.

[@bloopsilhooty5678]

Defender advertisement

[@Moha-De-G]

wow i never knew we can just make assumptions! dummy the Landcruiser defines its name

[@1ohtaf1]

Looking at the quality of the seats at 5:14 alone is disgusting.

[@simonhjc]

Its also a winner at the workshop. 🙄 seriously guys. Stop. No doubt re on and off road but take it across australia please. You cant even get a windscreen. We have one as a company car

[@petermarten10]

Funny when i broke my d300 windscreen I walked into my dealer and bought one to have it installed down the road. Mine has already been to the tip of cape york including the old coach road and is about to do the Simpson.

[@fijianz1]

Defender won because of Bias towards British cars by people of British origin...... everytime its the same. Cant beat the Toyota ever as the best all round and reliability

[@asc968ccc8]

Meh. Defender Sold mine in 6 months. Tech issues galore, average build quality. I now have a prado.

[@muhammadharits3237]

Defender 👍👍...and patrol.... 👍👍 Land cruiser 👎👎

[@tesla_models]

So true ...couldn't agree with you more

[@tempestv8]

Too bad the Defender D300 is equipped with 20" wheels, and the free option to 19" wheels is no good because there are hardly any offroad centric tyres available in the 19" size.

[@petermarten10]

So like I have done with my D300 gone to 18s.

[@tempestv8]

@@petermarten10 What is the cost of the modifications to enable 18" wheels to be fitted? Do the front brake calipers and rotors need to be replaced and the whole shebang certified by an engineer? I was considering the D250 which has the white 18" wheels but JLR Australia discontinued this model so quickly, it was barely available for a year.

[@petermarten10]

@@tempestv8 no it is not a total change just the rear calipers. Yes it is engineered so all above board. Contact tuff ant for final costs

[@georgetidd8972]

Simple! Add a 1.5 inch lift and you can have 32” BFG’s on it! Solved! I did and it works great! Looks even better now

[@electrikoptik]

Motortrend also chose the Defender as their SUV of the year for 2021. And they got shat on hard. Rightfully so. If you know a bit how automotive journalism works than you know that this is no more than a paid advertisement. Whilst I will agree that the Defender is better on road than a body on frame SUV, this for me does not make it a better car overal. The quality and reliability issues should place the Defender in 3rd place behind the Patrol. The Defender is just not made to last long after the warranty runs out.

[@andrewg9236]

You will also know that Toyota is by far the biggest' paid for promotion' motor company out there. They also have by far have the biggest media team who post comments through ghost accounts.

[@simonhjc]

I hope indidnt upset anyone. Certainly didnt want to. I can say the 110 was a peach to drive, the 300 a dissapointment (and whats with the fuel filter position?). The patrol reminds me of a 1990s mercedes with all that walnut vaneers.

[@SuperMassman]

🔥🔥🔥🔥,, save $100,000 and buy the Second Best. 😊👍,,, your not going to take any of these vehicles 4 wheeling off road anyway

[@robyncrighton1255]

Paid report for defender. No comments to justify their reasoning for their guess. Just Defender advertising. As much as we aren't Nissan fans, we would still liked to see something from them about it, as well as our personal favourite, the LC

[@alancollier818]

Going by your logic, means that the 2022 winner of best dual cab these guys did was a paid report too?🤔

[@aaronadkins8234]

Getting tired of the constant repeating of unproven claims against land rover. Everyone cites Consumer reports, no one has any data on land rover. Every one repeats some other comment they heard or that "they know a guy who has a friend who is a mechanic and says land rovers suck". Land Rovers are only as high maintenance as their owners. A Toyota could be on fire and the fans would say everything is fine. A land rover owner might get streak in the windshield because of an old wiper and they'd take it to a dealer and complain. Through advertising land rover has appealed to a higher maintenance audience and consumer and so has gained a reputation of higher maintenance. I moved from years of LC ownership to a discovery and I dont look back.

[@alancollier818]

@@aaronadkins8234 yeah couldn’t agree more. I do like me a Toyota and it’s always a brand that you have to consider when buying a vehicle. Having said that JLR have really done a great job with their current fleet of cars. Especially the defender. I can agree with some that Land Rover has had their fair share of problems, but what car hasn’t? Since TATA bought JLR, I believe they are really trying to show the consumer that JLR products are just as reliable as other brands( proof of them doing this is now they offer 5 year warranty on all JLR models). Back in 2016 my wife and I were looking for a new family SUV and ended up buying a 2016 Disco sport. We were aware of all the people saying their issues with JLR( mainly reliability) but we took the chance and haven’t regretted it. Since owning it we have down now over 140000kms and had no issues whatsoever. We use this vehicle for everything (only car we have) we tow our camper trailer with it, take off road, camping and been to multiple trips to QLD and NSW (I’m from VIC) in it fully loaded and hasn’t skipped a beat. We service it and look after it (like any responsible car owner should with any car) and car looks after us and gets us to wherever we want to go.

[@ekopermana7150]

No live test, smelt like paid promotion by Tata Motors 🤣

[@351tgv]

Channel 09 have destroyed Car Advice. Could be worse it could be Channel 07 duming down Car Expert.

[@theorrockpodcast]

This is crap. Not a defender hater at all but one only has to Google it's reliability. Poor review

[@willem-abrahamdippenaar3371]

What the hell ? The Defender engine is absolutely UNreliable as is the electronics. That is a know fact from all over the world. The tyre and rim combination is a disaster when it comes to rock climbing. Try to to size up to 37" tyre with all the mods to the suspension is near impossible. Sorry, but no to the Defender. Its bloody UN reliable.

[@VibeThrive72]

land rover is very well but for long time and durability of Toyota is no match

[@naashuman5503]

Land Cruiser 300 will always be the best choice/investment if you're in it for the long run. Land Rover is proven unreliable. So this test/conclusion was a waste 🗑 of time and Land Rover sponsored?🤔

[@martinmcdonald4207]

100%. This was an advert for Land Rover. Fooled no one!

[@AA-tb7rg]

Indeed reliability is the main issue of Landrover