2022 Elantra N vs Civic Type R, a bit of a shocker. Drag and Roll Races.

[@SamCarLegion]

The first run the N didn’t launch properly.

[@S8ER]

Appreciate the additional detail/insight. Honestly it might be cool if every video had a little “behind the scenes” post. 🙂

[@biendiego57]

Why you didn't repeat the race?

[@SamCarLegion]

@@biendiego57 watch the video. We did

[@christianservin7635]

@@biendiego57 Diego chill papa

[@neemanon]

@@christianservin7635 "you" as in the guy who botched the race

[@LuisGonzalez-227]

Great video. I think the real MVP here is the Type R driver, he can really shift fast to keep up with a DCT regardless of the small power difference

[@ashourfk8shamoun503]

🙏

[@swarnendudutta9463]

Yes, that's correct but this dct is not that quick shifting as dcts are generally loved for.

[@elstingergt3374]

Don’t forget the weight difference

[@Xdev1lG00D]

@@swarnendudutta9463 still quicker than a manual

[@swarnendudutta9463]

@@Xdev1lG00D Yes, it is as I had said. Hyundai has another dct, that's a 7 speed with two concentric dry clutches, that is almost as slow as manual shifting.

[@jasoncasto910]

Unless you're on a track, there is absolutely no reason to use that DCT in manual mode for straight line racing. It's faster letting the car do it. Also I always hit the NGS right before I hit the pedal, not a bit before hand. Seems to work better that way. Just my experience so far with my Elantra N.

[@QuiquePR]

I have one, and I be with you, in the straight line don't need a manual mode, and that is true about the NGS is right before hit the pedal, also I don't like to used the lunch control.

[@jasoncasto910]

@@QuiquePR I agree. Launch control isn't good on this car. Better results launching it yourself. Seems to get off the line a bit faster.

[@RandyJM21]

yeah he didn't seem to understand the button which seems simple to me but maybe I am missing something .

[@alexcastillo6032]

Correct.

[@randomautonomousdronepilot3384]

Elantra N is a soulless car with no history. Also hyundai sounds like a chinese knock off of Honda.

[@LichaelMewis]

Horrible comparison, person driving the N on almost every race reacted slower than the R.

[@agahassnain1289]

broo its a type r

[@AlaskanSmokedSalmon]

the N guy is also in automatic

[@Freddy_Confetti]

🧢

[@파워에이드-p1q]

Type r is better quick

[@ST33ZIN420]

This is literally coping

[@Angelbonilla1982]

The first run the elantra stood there!! He didn't move seriously Sam!!!

[@alexyoungberg5232]

*They woulda been faster without those fans pushing them back...*

[@SamCarLegion]

😂😂

[@stephenkim589]

Lol

[@elliotserrano7333]

I bet the N feels faster in daily driving conditions. I used to own a type r and it only felt fast on top. City driving it was a dog and no fun. The N seems more fun.

[@commentmancommentman1658]

yeah agree. the turbo on the type r is more top end.

[@commentmancommentman1658]

@@TheFK8Lifethat e30 fuel helped alot

[@TheFK8Life]

@@commentmancommentman1658 thats why I run it lol e50 now

[@commentmancommentman1658]

@@TheFK8Life that ethanol is the real unicorn gas for turbo cars🤣🤣

[@TheFK8Life]

@@commentmancommentman1658 105 octane for 3.50 a gallon lol

[@brandonvo9727]

As an EN owner I might be biased but the engine note is so much better in the N. Plus it’s cheaper so u kinda get what u pay for here.

[@JoshuaHults]

The N series is run by executive engineer for bmw M series cars. As anyone knows the M series are not designed to be the fastest cars but fun daily drivers. Speed does not translate into fun, if you want fast get a tesla roadster it will destroy both of these speed wise

[@Ur2slow4m3]

Important lesson: a car is only as fast as it’s driver

[@riverwarts9084]

When doing the rolls, your NGS feature is already off by the time you get to speed since you press it so early. Also, I believe the manual is gonna keep up MUCH better in the rolls compared to the DCT auto. Still crazy how much car you're getting for under 35k an with a few minor upgrades it's gonna be hard to stop.

[@Boosted-N-Bottlefed]

What do you mean when the Dodge SRT4 came out it was $1995 and would probably spank both those cars or give um a run for the money 13.6 at 99mph with a good driver and to a bad driver at 14.0 1/4 mile time. They want us to pay for garbage what a joke

[@lostthenfound3160]

I have the 1.6t 2017 sport and best car I’ve ever owned looking to get a n now 60k and just tires and brakes you know no problems at all I’ll never own another car without a dct

[@raymahannah4336]

@Adam Chapman If you were talking about anything 2013-2014 or before, yes, but not now...

[@bluedeathbuny77]

@Adam Chapman you're so stuck in the old ways it is insane LOL. Veloster N's been pushing 350WHP since 2019 and running still great. Keep Hatin

[@raymahannah4336]

@Adam Chapman Thanks for your opinion... I already posted mine. Every major vehicle brand has had the same or more in recalls in the past couple of years. Look at Subaru for January of this year. 198k+ for trans failure. Hyundai/Kia still offer 100k mile 10 year powertrain warranty that they honor. No one else does. If you don't like them, don't buy them...

[@xdr197]

Why did you upshift at 6:20 right before the launch? seems the revs weren't high enough which is why the type R pulled a car length immediately

[@gunzorkgaming7847]

Yeah lol noticied that... No way he was in the right gear for a race......

[@SamCarLegion]

Both cars 3rd gear

[@johncastellanos4787]

Elantra N is not meant to be used in manual mode for a roll race.. on top of that the ngs wasn’t used properly. Driver error

[@TheMaximaxi01]

@@SamCarLegion yes but one has 6 gears the other one has 8 and is automatic, the automatic is obviously easier for the driver side, at the drag strip with the DCT would you use paddle shifters?

[@esantiago8989]

Great video! Knew the N had the dig and the R the roll race. Very competitive cars

[@FeelReckless]

I'm excited to see if the 2023 Type-R is markedly better than the current gen

[@32wizzm]

Doubt it

[@marklion315]

@@32wizzm its faster around suzuka according to Honda, but only by a second. And who knows what tires they tested them both on. It is bigger so the fact that it might be just as fast is impressive.

[@sciencesold_]

Based on the new SI, nope.

[@WhitMX-5]

@@sciencesold_ that means literally nothing.

[@sciencesold_]

@@WhitMX-5 2023 has the same engine as right now, if they were going to add power to it, they'd have bumped up the new SI a little so the gap stayed the same, instead of reducing the SI's power.

[@Veyronp87]

the N is a really serious car. huge props to Hyundai

[@riccitone]

Great race and comparison! Manuals may still have an edge from a roll, maybe? Definitely curious about how the Elantra N manual will fare 🙏🏼

[@thatreviewguy6109]

Hmmm🤔 I'm thinking 100kmh roll would be best for elantra n manual vs type r...

[@nighthawk0077]

Not so sure, ive heard the manual runs 2psi lower boost.

[@gordonharris5788]

The Type R's turbo also pulls more at a higher RPM. The Elantra N has more torque and HP at a lower RPM, you could see it on that race where the Elantra took the launch but the CTR was slowly catching up

[@nighthawk0077]

@@gordonharris5788 well to be fair its a lot harder to launch a manual properly/consistently compared to a DCT. But i would agree the type R makes power up top. Having said that the N still traps 107mph in the 1/4

[@cielo20]

@@nighthawk0077 launch on type r is shit , i have one and cannot launch it hard you get wheel hop and if you keep you break something , so youhave to let go and apply throttle again , my fk2 lifting in 1st gear run 13.00 quarter mile and 2.2 60f with a trap of 112mph. im sure if it could launch properly would get down to 12.4 sec ( mine has bolt ons an a map nothing major)

[@45kph]

I knew the type r would obliterate it at a roll cause that 8 gears don't matter at all at that speed , plus type r is 200lbs lighter.

[@TheKasai23]

😂😂😂😂

[@buildmorefarms1007]

It was actually pretty close in the 30mph roll. Hyundai is 6 grand cheaper, 200 lbs heavier. In my book thats a win for the Elantra N

[@Ace-oz9pc]

@@buildmorefarms1007 not really close when the other car is pulling away from it

[@Arkeny-SS]

they dont understant the Elantra N yet. Launch Control + NGS its goin to get you on par with the type R . for Sure!!!

[@youngbrevy]

TypeR killin it, and the Elantra N killin it. Both great cars

[@opadilla123]

I have both and for the type r to go that fast and leave the N it has a tune for shure test both in manual and totaly stock thats a better comparison

[@ziadziad3475]

Elntra n fatser than typer r

[@ziadziad3475]

​@@opadilla123elantra n faster

[@poodabran]

Damn! The Korean car market is killing it. This is coming from a Japanese car lover. The Type R may have won the runs, but I can't deny that the Elantra N was right on its rear bumper. I never thought I'd say the day when Hyundai would fail to remain cordial on the raceway.

[@Boujizz]

3 years of 1st place in WRC, definitely seeing the transition.

[@deet4895]

On a track the Hyundai wouldn't see where the Type-R went.

[@shiftautomotive854]

Honda not the same anymore they making slower car thanks to Toyota for making fun cars again

[@NSUScooter]

Elantra comes with a factory 100,000 mile warranty…. 60,000 of which is bumper to bumper. Honestly, that’s worth more than a faster track time IMO.

[@deet4895]

@@NSUScooter Isn't there a class action lawsuit against Hyundai & Kia for excessive oil usage? Plus there's the whole spontaneous combustion issue that continues to plague the brands, and let's not forget engines randomly losing power and dying for no good reason. Yeah really top equality stuff.

[@AlexWalter]

Both great cars. At 3:00 though, that reaction time is long enough to honestly cut the whole race. Not much learned there. I initially thought maybe it was the car's throttle response but you can still see the brake lights on so it's driver error. Loved hondas forever but the Elantra is out for blood in this segment.

[@sidelingscroll]

Kind of tough to compare based on this vid because the Type R got a head start first race but then made a sandwich on the 1-2 shift at 4:27 (you can watch the palpable loss of acceleration the R had on the way to second at 3:57). Then the first roll seems solid but the second the Type R really got the jump at 6:23. So it's like combine that with the whole NGS button and launching business, and it seems like a race would be better had between drivers with a little more seat time in each car. But I guess that also kind of represents the real world if you encounter one another on the streets (of Mexico haha). Electronics are finicky to manage, shifts get f'd up, pacing get jumped, you kick yourself for riding the rev limiter, etc. Would love to see an on-track comparison and also how these cars times will compare at autocross this summer (I think they are in the same class to boot). My friend with an Elantra N tells me it loves to playfully oversteer and is a handful, but a good handful when the back end likes to slide a bit and it's practically yelling at you to mash the throttle! My R stays delightfully neutral even when the laws of physics say it shouldn't.

[@roger3958]

@@sidelingscroll Yes, I think it's safe to say our buddy Sam (is that his name?) can't drive very well. Those brake lights at 3:00 when the CTR is already gone is hilarious. And the missed shifts, oh man.. Yikes. Sammy had a bad day.

[@ulysses4989]

The driver in the Elantra N does not know how to drive that car

[@FB6K24Z7]

The Type R does have more top end you can tell in the second run it was catching up even from a dig it will win in a longer run still the new Elantra N is impressive comon Honda give the Type R a Dct or a ZF transmission now even Huyndai is doing a great job now with there new line up with Dct transmission option

[@Frank-hg9rl]

You should beg to not have a cvt like they intend to put on the new Integra....🤞

[@FB6K24Z7]

@@Frank-hg9rl they will never put a Cvt in there performance models the regular integra gets a Cvt whenever the type s comes out it will not have a Cvt that's for sure same will be the case here

[@Frank-hg9rl]

@@FB6K24Z7 This is not from me, i saw/heard it from the New-York auto show. Good if it is not right, but i'm sure i heared it well hope you're right...

[@Frank-hg9rl]

@@FB6K24Z7 What about Subaru STI?

[@FB6K24Z7]

@@Frank-hg9rl don't know about STI but the WRX yes it's a Cvt

[@combustionengineforever7734]

Type R is no joke at top end

[@joshuapounds7646]

Golf R 😂😂🤣destroyed

[@ziadziad3475]

N faster

[@GUEST-ox1sf]

@@ziadziad3475n clearly lost but okay

[@Kdm_Cleboxx]

Bro this guy doesn’t know how to drive💀

[@boost331]

The races are pretty close. I also cant decide which car won the "who is uglier" contest. I dont care how quick they are, I wouldnt be caught dead driving either one.

[@ENtense]

Yessss Sam thank you for this video! Both cars are fantastic and fun to drive in different ways. EN with the dig and the CTR has the clear better top end and roll advantage. Would love to bring my DCT up across the border here from Michigan sometime to do some videos with you.

[@Muffin1980]

That would be cool! Worlds are colliding! (George Costanza voice)

[@HashDogg06]

Need both to race at the Nurburgring, that is where the Civic will shine. We all know the Civic does fairly well there so would be interest to see how far behind the Elantra is to give more of an idea how much better the Civic is as a sports car.

[@117twarner]

on the 60MPH roll, what RPM were you both at? seemed like you up shifted the N too much for that roll and were at too low an rpm to start

[@StephenMaschi]

Gotta give props to Hyundai….The N division is building quality cars at a great price point. People love to bash them…..but they keep on getting better.

[@tizodd6]

@Adam Chapman I bought my '12 Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec brand new in 2011. I've had ONE serious problem with it in all these years (and I drive hard). When I did have the issue, I took it to the dealership and they fixed it under warranty with zero hassle. Maybe I just got lucky, but I have no complaints about Hyundai quality.

[@ispianist]

@Adam Chapman they get 100k miles warranty I don't know what you smoking but those are great cars. I own 2018 elantra sport and is a blast to drive it. not like my older 07 bmw 335i but gets similar vibe.

[@jeffersonrubi3189]

More HP + 6 speed manual + rolling race = civic type r Type r is actually fast in rolling race because it's more easy to gain power than a full stop drag race.

[@Boujizz]

it's not really the HP difference as you can tell on many dyno vids. But it is definitely a power to weight ratio for sure, the type r is a good bit lighter.

[@jeffersonrubi3189]

@@Boujizz yeah totally agree

[@sohogen8482]

yeah nothing to do with being in the best possible gear for the roll......

[@jeffersonrubi3189]

@UCrCVf0JjPEozxt6WzxBIfyQ but we all know the fK8 is hard to launch compare to a dct transmission of the Elantra N

[@Luigi-007]

Dude went from Yeah Buddy to Awwww Buddy after the Type R gap the N. Lol

[@pedrorivera2308]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sohogen8482]

guy is in 6th gear trying to do a 60 roll kinda expected.....

[@jacobdicicco2044]

??the type r gapped the N? Maybe in that last one where the R started early but there was no gapping lol

[@jacobdicicco2044]

@@g0d182 no…I think you should watch the vid again. There were only two roll races- the one with owner was super fucking close, Bc he properly took off, Sam just fucked up his roll race

[@TheFK8Life]

@@jacobdicicco2044 The 60mph roll race when the stock type R finally gets full power shows it wofflestomping the N - buslengths gap - 3rd gear 60 will destroy an N lol - thats the Rs roll for sure

[@dknight25]

And this is only in a straight line. Take into consideration the Type R performance around the track and we can see why it is the benchmark to beat overall in this segment. The engineering of the car is impressive.

[@stockey]

The Elantra N is also a great track car.

[@racksontheway659]

@Adam Chapman Lmao. You’re nothing but a pathetic delusional brand fanboy. Hyundai’s and Kia’s are reliable now, this isnt 2010 you old piece of trash

[@NoName-b5k1e]

@Adam Chapman Elantra N is faster than Type R on track cuz of lighter weight.

[@NoName-b5k1e]

@Adam Chapman Think whatever u want. Type R may be faster only on the straight road haha. On the track? Tell Type R to beat veloster n first! Now, whats the real shit box?

[@Truenorth1234]

@@NoName-b5k1e LOL the urge to find and kick your face in for saying that, whether your joking or not you did not just say the Hyundai will beat the Honda on a track😂. Maybe you got it mixed up for a straight road Vs a track? But even then the Hyundai will and forever be inferior…. There’s a reason why Hyundai is marked as one of the worst brand to own. Although, they are stepping it up recently. Just not enough. Thank you for the laugh 🤣

[@buildmorefarms1007]

All I can say is, for being 200 lbs heavier and about 6 grand cheaper, the Hyundai kicked butt! Took the launch despite the Honda starting slightly earlier. Hyundai is for real.

[@amatureskater15]

DCT.....nuff said.

[@StinkySundae]

For the price point, it is expected. I’m loving my N!

[@buddyholleypoint9032]

I pick mine up Friday, stoked. 😊

[@damienfrizzell9394]

Type r resale will be through through roof thought that is my only regret not getting the Honda

[@ffrnando4388]

Losers 😂

[@ffrnando4388]

@@buddyholleypoint9032 I wouldn’t be

[@buddyholleypoint9032]

@@ffrnando4388 Nobody asked you

[@sn4rl277]

To be fair first race the Type-R looks to have the jump and the N bogged really hard. Second race it looks like it is closer on the start but the Type-R had a little shift issue from first to second unless the N is just faster there due to the DCT. On the 30MPH roll, not surprised looked good on launch of both with the Type-R starting to go. The 60MPH roll well, I think Sam upshifted too soon and really flattened out the launch for the N. I would like to see another 60 roll with a driver change. I think it would be similar to the 30 roll with the Type-R having a car length lead at the end. But for the extra 12k in price difference, you can get some really nice mods on the N that I think would make a bigger difference then on the Type-R. The issue I have is in the Type-R price range, your looking at a Golf-R or a Audi S3. And the 2022 Golf R eats all of there lunch at that price point. The N wins it for me at a lower price point, better warranty. I can put that 12k into mods down the road and the sounds from the N well it just has more fun factor then the Type-R. This also coming from a Honda owner.

[@gs98999]

You must be from USA? When CTR was still available to buy the price difference was only like $6k up here (Canada) Golf R was even cheaper than ctr. So I think Elantra N is way overpriced up here compared to USA for some reason.

[@sn4rl277]

@@gs98999 The "N" cars have a premium on them currently in the states. I have looked into older Golf R's. I will have to see what 2023 holds as far as prices on used vs new. Going to be interesting

[@jstreampc5132]

60mph roll: the Elantra was probably spinning at 3k rpm cuz it sounded like it took a long time to rev up which means it wasn’t in the power-band. While the type r looked like it jumped just a little and was probably already spinning at 5k rpm. So it was already in the power-band which is why the type r was so far ahead. But as you said the result would have been the same as the 30mph if everything was done right.

[@aarond8110]

Sam again thank you and everyone for helping bring this video together. The manual transmission off the roll race really was a bit of a surprise considering how much better these automatic transmissions are getting.

[@v4skunk739]

Power to weight ratio. Go watch drag races of the last gen GolfR dct vs manual.

[@unexplainedwearenotalone3537]

Automatic is future like or not this true and Manuel die die slow by time and soon the stop use accept that in ur mind don't be ignorant Manuel person ok

[@aarond8110]

@@v4skunk739 if it's the one with the stinger and supra I've already seen it...I've been pretty much up to date with these videos...set your notifications so you can be the 1st to see. I think these videos are Awesome!

[@henkiespenkie7351]

He whas manuallyshifting the elantra . At 60mph he upshifted right before the drag race. Starting in tho high rpm, also the civic seems to start earlier on the pedal. Just like he could not launch the elantra from standing still

[@Nemesis-uv6wx]

type R is slightly faster but considering fun exhaust sound and daily comfort, N is better fit for me

[@Jcastro9444]

Slightly? The N got gapped by a manual trans even on NGS mode LOL

[@davothegreat9990]

@@Jcastro9444 roll only. Type r greatest improvement needs to be the launch and wheel slip off the line. Dct wins this hand down. And yes, I prefer the type r..

[@jeffrey621]

@@Jcastro9444 cope

[@Stormtrooper-oc4vn]

@@Jcastro9444 I always say it's more interesting not that it gets gapped but how fast that gap happens. If it slowly pulls away it's ok but if it's pulls away very fast then holy damn it's fast.

[@dragonfire1554]

Well the type r IS a race track car. If you want that speed but superior ride to the N, get a Honda Accord 2.0t or V6

[@sciencesold_]

Did they not even use N mode for the exhaust clip? Sounds like normal mode. Also, the answer to how the MT does against the type R, the answer is: Worse.

[@n2productions]

Yeah, unfortunately it looks like the 'Normal' mode exhaust clip was used. We recorded N mode as well, but I guess brevity was an editing consideration lol

[@sciencesold_]

@@n2productions Listening to the video, it sounds like normal mode was used, I didn't hear any of the N's signature pops, nor did the exhaust really have the aggressiveness that N mode usually gives it. It's obviously a video and won't sound like it does in person, but it just didn't sound right.

[@sciencesold_]

@@g0d182 What do you even mean by that?

[@MrAsh-cw5cq]

This is what I've been waiting for

[@davecech4741]

Nice to see the Type R still hanging tough with the new kids on the block.

[@sirprince888]

Finally, a video that I've been waiting for. Thank you, Sam! Bravo! Another great video and great match-up between the Elantra N vs the Civic Type-R. Amazing results. I can see you having trouble with the initial launch of the Elantra N.... Hyundai designed its own DCT and it does not like hard launch of its transmission. Probably to maintain its longevity/reliability. Also, when driving in a straight line, no need to do a manual shift on a DCT. Regardless, great job on the friendly matchup. For under $35k, the Hyundai Elantra N is a lot of car for the money. Respect to the Civic Type-R... a legend and great car.

[@Sandor68]

Love these uploads but you guys need to start recording your 1/4 mile times!

[@SamCarLegion]

Can’t:(

[@Sandor68]

@@SamCarLegion That's too bad!

[@pokenerd1898]

Automatic vs manual. Also finally like seeing the different rolls. More power prefers a faster roll

[@pokenerd1898]

@Bry Zeer that's the point. Compare manual to manual, auto to auto. When the trans are different its just another variable. Also dcts are automatics, no need for "auto". There's a reason some sports cars only come stick. Kinda wish the veloster n didn't get an automatic if they had the elantra n in the pipeline

[@pokenerd1898]

@Bry Zeer it's a super car. Sports cars would be like a miata to a supra. In this case, the supra has an automatic. Or the hot hatches that mostly came in stick only, think sti, Evo, focus rs. Or dedicated sports cars like the s2000 which is only available as stick. There are sporty and great performing vehicles with automatics, and there are less than great automatics. You'd be hard pressed to tell me a charger scatpack (which shares the transmission with the supra) is a 4000 lb sports car.

[@pokenerd1898]

@Bry Zeer bro Google something. No one calls dct cars dct. They are called automatic. Look up that gtr that you bring up "6-speed automatic". There's nothing wrong with an automatic like you make it seem but a 911 is hardly a sports car nowadays either. The cars you talk about being "sports cars" are not meant to be over 100k. A mustang gt? Sports car. A gt500? Not a sports car. Golf gti? Not a sports car, it's a hot hatch. Idk why you think sports car means fast? Miata and brz are not fast but are the pinnacle of daily driver sports cars. Porsche 718 is a sports car In manual or auto. If you can't drive stick that's fine, but it's not an excuse to classify whatever you want as a sports car

[@pokenerd1898]

@Bry Zeer civic sis are not much faster than a stock civic anyways. But I'd call a civic si a sports call 10/10 times over a r35 gtr or new nsx since those are supercars (luxury and performance focused)

[@darkobelisk4076]

Both FWD asian sports sedans made by companies that start with the letter H. They have different tech deep into the tune, there's no such thing as apples to apples with brands but people will be comparing these cars. Honda decided to stick with a 6 speed manual technology, but we all know manuals are going the way of the dinosaur (even though we all love rowing through gears around the windy country roads).

[@oc_Tofu1]

my dad has an elantra n and they are fricking awesome (we just launched it today, best expriance ever)

[@combatwombatt]

nice to see yall including roll races! enjoyed this vid for sure! both cars look great as well XDDD

[@pootis818]

I've heard the type r is a very hard car to launch but on the track is a completely different beast

[@YTkingcherry]

Yes I own a 21’ CTR, and holy fuck it’s horrible. You spin first and 2nd gear and won’t hook till 3rd and you can’t just dump n go you have to not throttle the gas all the way you just have to now to not make the car bounce

[@carlestler]

The real world price of the Civic R is almost double the N. With that in mind the N wins.

[@sirprince888]

On Run 2, did the Elantra N driver use the NGS button -- it doesn't look like it. Also, at launch, was traction control turned off and was high RPM rev around 2300?

[@SamCarLegion]

Yes he did

[@sirprince888]

@@SamCarLegion Thanks for confirming, Sam! For the Roll 3.... it looks like the NGS button was activated prior to launch?? Per Hyundai, NGS is suppose to be activated when in motion and not prior to launch.

[@n2productions]

N mode sets traction to 'ESC Sport' and launch RPM range can only be between 2500 and 3500 - in this case it was set to 2500.

[@sirprince888]

@@n2productions Yes, I forgot the N mode was activated. Thanks for the clarification!

[@umarrrrrrr]

Solid solid stuff. I had a feeling the N would take it because of how well the owner was launching it. Wish there was more pops and burbles included from the N cause in person they were sublime

[@damienfrizzell9394]

Resonator delete

[@Trappedinnewyork]

The type r won every race besides 1 racing a auto with launch control lmao 🤣

[@damienfrizzell9394]

@Adam Chapman tell that to the 7 year track warranty

[@damienfrizzell9394]

@Adam Chapman yawn

[@treyvon4444]

@@Trappedinnewyork right

[@jonchapman8344]

I have a 21 sgp type r. Stock i ran a 2018+ mustang gt (460hp) from 80 to 130 mph and matched his speed till we saw traffic ahead. I dont condone that kind of driving but it interesting how fast the type r is in 6th gear. The aero is truly functional.

[@mmf9765]

😯

[@InvincibleMegaBeast]

Stop it

[@Libertino]

REALLY hoping you can repeat this race when the new Civic Type R becomes available 😄

[@msrr1303]

The next gen Type R will further mop the floor with the N. Still a great matchup, Hyundai has a great car in the Elantra N.

[@trenton.tchannel1810]

I wouldn’t say mop the floor. More hp lighter weight it should win vs the Elantra but for the price the Elantra is a steal

[@msrr1303]

@@trenton.tchannel1810 honestly, mop the floor is an unfair thing to say. Elantra N doesn’t really deserve being undermined like that. Specially when it’s as competent as it is. What I meant was I expect the next Type R to further that gap. But again, Elantra N did very well.

[@damienfrizzell9394]

The n is made with fun in mind primarily.

[@commentmancommentman1658]

@@msrr1303 the new and old type r was made to break track record, the elantra N was made for being a fun car in the street while already being a track focused car.

[@jorgemaldonado944]

@@msrr1303 I guess the real question is, is the performance difference of the new Type R going to be worth an additional 10-12K? I'd be surprised if you're able to find one for less than 50k.

[@HondacivictypeR777]

Appreciate you guys doing these races, sometimes I don’t want to hear everything about the car I just want to see a good race and see who wins. I appreciate long reviews but these are awesome as well.

[@nighthawk0077]

Wouldn't really call this long or a review. He was simply telling you basic specs about both cars and what kind of races they will do.

[@jaredmeyer9789]

You could also skip

[@trofimlysenko4576]

Both great for design, power, and technology in my opinion. Thanks for the video, Sam.

[@christianservin7635]

There it is folks from a dig Elantra N will win, but from a Roll and up, Elantra falls shorts…. Finally!! Thanks brother 💯💯💯🙌🏼

[@YasssStitch]

You've come a long way with your channel.

[@SamCarLegion]

Thank you

[@YasssStitch]

@@SamCarLegion I like that you now get straight to the point, and cameras you're using are really good. No one else is doing this much variety of cars, something for everyone.

[@SamCarLegion]

Spent sone money on expensive camera for sure

[@GERONIMO326]

Type R still King Kong, even after all these years, what a car. The new one is going to be 🔥

[@oemj7147]

Lol...no. The Golf R drives circles around it.

[@GERONIMO326]

@@oemj7147 lmao from a dig in a straight line, who cares, from a roll the Type R still has the fastest 60-120 time in the segment. Also, you're comparing a car that came out in 2017 to a car that literally just came out. The old CTR is faster in every regard, track etc. Now if you want to shift gears with a paddle like an idiot sure it'll beat it in a 1/4 from a dig. Same reason an automatic Mustang beats manual Mustang, so what. But whats crazy is that we are even still comparing the FK8 Type R to all these new cars that just came out, to be fair, if you want apples to apples, we will have to compare the 23 Type R, and when it comes out, and it too, will take the world by storm, just like the FK8 did.

[@sharktin240]

Why are you LYINY? The MK8 GOLF T R Drstroyed the type R on a roll. From 6-120. And it further destroyed it from a dig giving it a 10 second lead. Stop lying

[@sharktin240]

And nobody cares about track. You are likely to use 0-60, 1/4 and trap speed etc as performance metric than track. 90% of type R owners them self don’t track. Car and driver has chosen the previous GOLF R over the type R many times. The golf R is the king of hatches

[@GERONIMO326]

@@sharktin240 🤣🤣🤣🤣 said NOONE EVER, nobody in their right mind has ever picked the slow azz Golf over the Type R, and there is NO VIDEO of the manual Golf beating the CTR from a roll. Not to mention we aren't even comparing apples to apples, you are comparing the BRAND NEW GOLF to a 5 year old CTR (P.S. the CTR blistered the old Golf R in every aspect) wait until the new one comes out, and it won't even be a competition

[@kamiranzaxoi3449]

Woow that Elantra is gorgeous 😍 .the most beautiful sedan car I've ever seen

[@Vanjrl337]

Great race!

[@dubeast209]

Thank you for letting me know before the video started.

[@Vanjrl337]

@@dubeast209 whoops apologies for the spoiler man. It was a good race though and definitely still worth watching.

[@rajeevmittoo4221]

Here it is! Thanks Sam for the video! The Elentra N DCT being underpowered and weighs more, is actually providing you with more tech than this overpriced Honda civic type R/ Honda integra type R tech from 1990. Lol!

[@Frank-hg9rl]

Hey Sam, you're the man. Great one again. DCT has proved to be faster again! The type R is a fast car, no dought about it. Style wyse? I'm not a fan of that style, but some do...How much more $$$ compare to the Elantra N? And the 5 years waranty even if you take it the track, that's why a lot of guys will go for the N...

[@TheRealStevenSeagals]

Did u watch a different race?? The type r won everything but 1 race from the dig, and trust me the type r owner is working way harder to shift. that gap was huge on the roll go civic😎

[@Hondaddy]

They need to compare it to the 2022 one... Us styling of the N is horrible

[@45kph]

dual clutch has 8 gears and shifts faster than the human can.

[@TheRealStevenSeagals]

@@45kph yeah duh, but the skill in racing manuals is definitely fun to observe and experience. Both cars are dope

[@45kph]

@@TheRealStevenSeagals yea I'd pick the manual over any auto matic or semi automatic.

[@rashidadat6494]

Type R is much powerful in 3-4th gear. Have been knocked out badly by Type R few times while driving my civic 1.5T.

[@skylyfeprojects]

Very Badly I could only imagine 😂

[@rashidadat6494]

@@skylyfeprojects lol yeah

[@advancespark]

6:17 At 100km/60mph run, why upshift into a low rev range right before the cone? It's obvious the driver bogged that Hyundai down.

[@mtDNA_Refresh]

That certainly looks to be the case the way the videos as edited.....but seriously there's no way he upshifts right before going wot? Right...

[@advancespark]

@@mtDNA_Refresh The engine bogs down and even though i has more gears with closer ratios than the Civic, it is taking a huge hit on the acceleration race. I get it, Honda is faster, but not that much. You can listen to the engine note if you think it's the editing

[@mtDNA_Refresh]

@@advancespark yea man I'm in agreement after listening. Doesn't sound right.

[@slimv3.162]

I mean the type r is quite a bit more expensive so it shouldn't lose at all. And just seeing the n brand do digs quicker than the type r is crazy. There just isn't a better performance car on the market for the price than the VN and EN. Can't wait to see the new type r though.

[@f181234]

A DCT can launch a car better than any manual driver

[@lucian7182]

The type r has a msrp very similar to the Elantra n what are you talking about? I specked one today on Hyundai website and it was around 36k msrp. So what a 2k difference?

[@Szcza04]

@@lucian7182 dealer markups go crazy for both

[@TheBreakfastLover]

Bruh the Civic was a manual.

[@slimv3.162]

@@lucian7182 EN msrp $32,000. TR msrp $39,000. $7,000 is a hell of alot of upgrades for the N.

[@stefanb974]

The N is equal or even a bit faster. I honestly feel the N needs better drivers lol. When racing straight line there is no reason to shift the car yourself.. Just launch control and go.. As far as the roll races. Drop the N down into 2nd (30 roll) and 3rd (60 roll) and just floor it and have the car do the rest of shifting. The manual N won't be faster than the dct N either.

[@hectoribarra8473]

I wonder if the Elantra was in octane learning

[@yeetus59]

Thank you for doing 100kmh/60mph rolls its a much more reliable speed to race at to avoid gearing slowing the car down (especially when you learn how to put it in the right gear)

[@omarfeliciano1976]

I want to see Elantra N vs Accord 2.0 🔥🔥🔥

[@cpl371480]

Why would you wanna see your accord lose

[@naturalgainzzz7005]

Type r have ridiculous top end its something I've noticed since they came out..that's where they shine

[@TheIceMurder2]

I remember an old Carwow video where even the old Mk7.5 Golf R and Focus RS couldn't match the Type R at the top end.

[@eddiet4708]

I'm a Honda guy but the Type R cost $8-10K more and barely edge out the Elantra...WTF?

[@Truenorth1234]

I have a Golf R stage 2 tuned and my buddy has a stage 2 Type R. I can definitely say these Type R don’t play around! When that thing hooks it’s a scary sight seeing them reel you in lol. And from a roll I don’t even wanna say anything else haha.

[@Ace-oz9pc]

What people don’t understand is that all if not most AWD will always win on the dig, which proves nothing other than who has better traction. Real power comes down to roll race! Some reason everyone think 0-60 is everything 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@keving5286]

@@Ace-oz9pc because on the street you smoke them on traffic lights lol. But I agreed.

[@vinniegainz4250]

@@Ace-oz9pc What people dont understand is that once you start making real power FWD is useless. Even with the most complex LSD systems. Traction is everything I would say anything >300 whp. Also, people don't understand how much a role that suspension plays in traction as well. Weight transfer is everything (balance)

[@Truenorth1234]

@@keving5286 yup! My buddy knows whenever we cruise and I get a chance to launch my Golf R against him from a light I’m grinning lol. Its only when we enter a highway or freeway (for you Americans) it turns out to be a different story. Nonetheless I’d pick my Golf R over the Type R just cause….

[@Truenorth1234]

@@Ace-oz9pc agree to disagree 🤷🏽‍♂️ I live for that 0-60

[@jonttran1092]

Gotta love ol mate SAM.. He hits the NGS button and then talks for 25 seconds whilst the timer expires then takes off.

[@MrAsh-cw5cq]

If that track was longer, the R will catch up to the N in a dig... Great race

[@Lees3132]

This is the one video I wanted to watch first before reading comments. Didn’t want to spoil the results!

[@antonisssbtw400]

Stock v stock N wins if type R driver is bad. But if driver is good R beats it.

[@lukemothug]

Yep! Yep! Nope! And Nope!

[@raymondtang1262]

With that top end power, it seems like the race is already finished while the R is just getting to started 😎

[@Badmon.Bryann]

Lol no the Elantra top end is definitely lackluster, makes the type r look good

[@EndritBajramiEshte21]

@@Badmon.Bryann type r is better top end

[@Badmon.Bryann]

@@EndritBajramiEshte21 no shit goofball, but only cause the Elantra slow asf lol

[@chrishuber8930]

@@Badmon.Bryann bro for a sedan the elantra is very fast. 4.9 0-60 is quick as fuck for a 35 grand car

[@chrishuber8930]

Raymond its not that much of a difference. The tuning is the difference here. Its also a sedan vs a hatchback. The sedan weighs more. The elantra Ns engine has a 5 mm bigger turbo than the veloster N and tuning has the elantra N at 355 whp tuned with 93 octane. Hyundai has tuned the car conservatively. I guess they didn't want to step on the 2.5Ts toes.

[@xcg1234]

Choose Elantra no doubt. Better interior and cheaper.

[@ElViperr408]

The only thing I like about the a N is the exhaust and the noise.

[@SasquatchS550]

Yea if that DCT in the Elantra is anything like the one in my wife's Forte GT it's really hard to get a good launch out of it. Smooth shifting once you're going but very sluggish from the get go.

[@neemanon]

Completely different units

[@borisrz3080]

Different units. Your Forte has a dry 7 speed DCT. The one in the Elantra N is a wet 8 speed DCT.

[@Boujizz]

There's a fix for the dsg/dct "lul" is to smash the gas pedal.

[@j.t.553]

What's everyone's opinion of the forte gt? I'm curious

[@SasquatchS550]

@@j.t.553 Talked about it in another comment but my wife's only complaint is that the DCT doesn't have a smooth power delivery at all when you're on/off the throttle. Basically feels like the car is always stuck in sport mode with sharp/snappy shifts. You won't win any races in it but it's not a slouch by any means. 6 speed may be the best way to go

[@grindingambitions6698]

Coming from a Honda Civic Sport 2019, I was looking to upgrade and my options were the type r or elentra n and I went with the N simply due to the price point with the crazy mark ups. MSRP 22 type r going for 58k while elentra n is 42k (Canadian).. 15k difference but you guy a car thats underrated at 286hp its def pushing 310-320 to the crank (there videos of stock N being dyno'd pushing 282 whp) with 15-20k you can do alot and still have lots of fun. Had my N for about two weeks and its amazing , exhaust sounds awesome, already got a few runs and safe to to say bang for buck you wont find a car at this price with this much power, let alone the customization options are amazing. Im a huge honda fan and always have and will be but hyundai is up coming, along with the 5 year engine/turbo warranty its safe to say im happy with my choice. Also love that it comes with manual and dct.. If type r came in dct it would be really interesting on a dig with the gulf.. Type R and Elentra N are the leaders for FWD technology.

[@ahmedalammari2018]

the last run u didnt put the right shift

[@Lees3132]

I would like to add that I cant wait to see the results of the manual vs manual.

[@oscarmj81]

Both amazing cars. I would still get a type r just all around awesome car. But the new type r coming out should be amazing.

[@goldencosmonaut]

I raced an Elantra N with my 15 GS350 on a drag strip and both times he stood no chance. I was unsure at first but it wasn’t even close

[@goldencosmonaut]

@@NBABY-J how does that not add up lmao. Give me your email or something and I’ll send you the two videos I have of my races against him

[@Ess305]

I need to see elantra n vs sonata n line please

[@Slim1986]

Honda about to kick it up a notch with the 2023 Model!!!

[@frankENZC]

Cool video! I own the Veloster n DCT. Huge fun!

[@MrAdams-zg6gv]

I'm sorry but this guy does NOT know how to use the DCT auto Elantra N the right way! 1- Leave the car in FULL auto! Don't use the paddle/stick shifter! Car is MUCH faster without your help. 2- Hit the gas first, THEN press the overboost button! I 30 rolled the same stock Civic Type R and was AHEAD of him! Please redo this with someone who knows how the Elantra N works...🤦🏽‍♂️

[@TonyStone3000]

7:20 Hog wash. In N mode with the column shifter in the manual position it will not upshift for you.

[@nighthawk0077]

Civic seems to be tuned or have some mods, maybe phearable stage 1. Also you need to do the 60mph race again, you guys didn't start at the same time.

[@파워에이드-p1q]

dude that type r is stock

[@brenttitus2134]

If Honda put in the 10 speed auto tweaked further for this car. Man oh man! It would be a monster!

[@leonbaptiste2272]

The 10 speed transmission in this will be be a all day sleeper. I had the 2021 RDX it hauls with the 272 bhp I can imagine how much crazy it will be with 306 bhp…. Let’s just imagine the new type R being faster or outperforms this gen Type R it will be a sick car

[@deet4895]

No MANUAL ONLY!

[@naturalgainzzz7005]

Please we don't need no auto in a type r...bad enough the GTR never came manual and the new supra came out auto...let's keep that type r manual like tradition please lol a coupe version would be nice tho !or even awd 😃

[@Princeabril.]

@@naturalgainzzz7005 manual sup is comin tho 🙌🏽

[@gw4886]

@@leonbaptiste2272 It would be boring as hell. If they offer auto....it should at least be a proper DCT, nothing less. Not a tranny you get in a SUV.

[@romanluis]

Type R has driver mod. Both roll races the elantra N drivers were super slow. Regardless I think the R is faster on a roll.

[@SINGH-ing]

I bought my first Honda after they became official PU suppliers for Red Bull. Since then I m enjoying my Civic hatch and always wanted to buy the Type R but due to lack of transmission choices, never was. Looks like Honda is gonna be lazy with next gen as well. So Elantra N with a DCT it will be, I’ll just slap on some HRC stickers on the back window just like Red Bull did on their cars after Honda’s exit from the sport 😄🤷🏽‍♂️ P.S. Well done Sam, I wanted to see this comparison since this N was launched. So thank you and looks like I have found an another RBR fan 😄

[@EdwinLopez-cz9rp]

Learn how yo drive manual lol

[@RecklessLilJ]

Yea max verstappen had a hell of a season too last year beating the one reigning champion Lewis and the redbull honda taking the title win from Mercedes

[@tylhunt]

Honda's lazy because you want the car to shift for you? Lol.

[@bucknut2000]

U can learn how to drive a manual . It’s more fun because you learn the engine better , aren’t relying on programming that people complain . A lot of people who drive manual can tell the sped and rpm without looking at the speedometer .

[@brettbrossart2140]

The Type R has auto rev match. You don't realize how easy it is to drive manual with that feature. Defintely wouldn't consider Honda lazy, mate. Does 3 pedals confuse you???

[@MindDezign]

The Fact is Hyandai is bringing Enthusiasts Excitement, more than any other brand. And at Enthusiast Prices. Only a few years back, there would have been laughter, replacing a serious notion to race....

[@rekot.gonzalez7701]

Elantra N vs Kia K5 GT !!!

[@alexcastillo6032]

Did you use the NGS BUTTON??? I didn't see you use it.

[@SamCarLegion]

Yes

[@alexcastillo6032]

Yea type R top end is crazy...got to respect that just surprised that the N can compete off the line...good video

[@esantiago8989]

@@alexcastillo6032 he used it before the race lol

[@alexcastillo6032]

@@esantiago8989 🤔😂

[@stms4411]

Both are good cars that have styling I cannot live with. I’m sure there are loads of people that like the way these cars look but not for me

[@NiirTheRaccoon]

I agree completely. I love both companies and both are great cars, but they both look terrible to me lol. Now the Veloster N.......that thing looks awesome, would wayyyyy rather have that over the Elantra N! Though either would be better than my rather subdued basic 2013 Elantra GT lol (still like it, has good styling and is comfortable)

[@stms4411]

@@NiirTheRaccoon I had a sense that the Elantra GT was a good car but hadn’t driven one. The veloster n struck me as less than the sum of its parts so I bought a civic si. I like understated, though for some it may be too conservatively styled

[@NiirTheRaccoon]

@@stms4411 Understandable, I am just not a fan of Honda's newest styling really, and some of Hyundai's is not great either. I just think the Veloster N would be perfect for me haha. I will never have one though lol

[@stms4411]

@@NiirTheRaccoon you never know!

[@roger3958]

You should try a Forte GT 6MT with a racechip. The chip adds 50hp and 50torque. Roughly. Really wakes up the car. And it looks fairly subtle and tame. I suspect traction might be a problem though, as it's lacking a diff.

[@MyLifePixeled]

Should you use the NGS before the call is moving? I assumed it had more benefit as the car was up to speed.

[@honda116969]

Damn dude I'm super impressed with Hyundai Elantra N!! I figured the type R would win from a roll but for the Hyundai to keep up it must make more power than what they say on paper because that shit is quick! Both 🆒 cars. I'm happy with my 2020 Accord 2.0t touring. I prefer the smooth ride & roomy interior & that K20C4 + 10spd is a solid reliable platform imo.

[@honda116969]

& I have K-tuner for the Accord also probably bumps it up an additional 15-20 horsepower & 25-30 lb of torque so 275hp & 310tq in the Accord it's pretty quick

[@vjd222]

The Elantra N puts 276 hp at the wheel, which means that it’s really over 300hp

[@ffrnando4388]

It’s an automatic vs manual , not really that great

[@honda116969]

@@ffrnando4388 It's pussies like you that find everything to complain about! But it's men like me that find enjoyment out of work that somebody else put into something... Don't worry this video was not made for you 😂🤔🤣🤦

[@applepoop10]

@@honda116969 you need a bigger turbo bro.

[@xSkysplitter777]

Went from "yeah buddy" to "woah buddy" real quick! 🤣🤣🤣

[@byOrbaa]

the Type R driver knows what he's doing,it's so hard to launch the Type R

[@MttQaib]

Why are there not videos of the Elantra N around a track. I want to see how fast it is around corners. We know it’s quick in a straight