2022 Italian GP Race Review | WTF1 Podcast

Five wins in a row for Max Verstappen but it was an anticlimactic race that got us wondering if it's time to get rid of safety car finishes. There's also De Vries amazing debut, Ferrari not messing up strategy and lots more from the Monza weekend to dive into.
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[@shaunlevin5081]

The cool down room is just Max Verstappen's podcast at this point where he invites different guests on every week.

[@jebus456]

lol brilliant

[@MrKelsomatic]

Lmao, not a big Max fan but that's basically true.

[@deepkotecha4748]

He kinda inherited it from Lewis , who inherited it from Seb, who got it from Alonso who got it from Schumacher 😂😂😂

[@Husmanmusic]

Hahaha this made me laugh

[@chiplus1870]

Such a good one😂

[@Duskraven377]

Statistically, if Leclerc is on pole, Max’s chances of winning that race INCREASES.

[@jeroenarendonk4160]

🤣

[@gamingandgeeking7880]

"was something wrong with Perez's car?" ... Yes his brake disk was on fire for 3 laps due to debris. He was told to aero break until it went out and cooled down and he still finished 6th

[@fritsieboiker8449]

Posted something similar on the previously released and now taken down video, but I think the way the Tifosi treated Verstappen was absolutely uncalled for. The man is entertaining us by driving like few ever have, and he gets booed by the 'fans'. Class it up Italy.

[@Boxingdiehard]

Also funny how hypocritical a lot of people are staying silent on it when they were outraged when Lewis got a couple boos lol… Haven’t heard anyone complaining about max being booed yet. I’m my opinion F1 crowds should be more like golf crowds and keep it classy totally agree. It’s not like other sports it’s a sport of respect!

[@Boxingdiehard]

We’ll haven’t heard anyone meaning media not us fans

[@thelittleowl1]

@@Boxingdiehard honestly I feel booing any driver is a poor show

[@Euclides287]

People don't like dominance. It's as simple as that. Once Max stops winning everybody will like him again.

[@Boxingdiehard]

@@thelittleowl1 yeah that’s what I’m saying too. Totally agree it doesn’t have a place in F1. Just hypocritical none of the media are outraged like they were with Lewis

[@anthonyreaves9029]

The behavior towards Max should really be spoken about, it seems like since the media refused to report on it (because they have massive double standards, F’ing Sky even tried to justify that behavior while they would be crying if it was aimed at Lewis) no one seems to know about what happened. It was way more than just booing

[@d.katzroy3313]

The chanting about Sophie were absolutely the worst. And them actually throwing things at Max's car?? The booing is been there done that, but the way some tifosi behaved here is actually the lowest you can go. If they need to be angry about someone they should try their own team ffs.

[@As-qz5lr]

They reminded me of British fans

[@PlayTrickBLOGSPOT]

Thankfully, they didn't burnt Red Bull hats, which they previously bought for their own money. It would have been a global controversy if they did that.

[@craiggrant693]

People remember how things were manipulated for max to win his first title. That’s why there was booing. Just live with the consequences. Lol

[@Richardtv1968]

@@craiggrant693 still sour and sore?? …. Get over it Craig, it is plain silly and pathetic. Verstappen ( the F1 Worldchampion) changed F1 single-handedly from a boring sport into the most exiting one.

[@obez42]

I don’t understand the criticism of the FIA over this whole safety car issue… They operated the new 2022 safety car rules strictly and correctly. You guys need to read the rules… It’s up to the teams and drivers to discuss further and agree a new set of rules. Seidel of McLaren confirmed that this matter had been discussed ad nauseam post Abu Dhabi amongst the teams drivers and the FIA and they were unable to come up with anything outside the current rules! We survive boring races like Monaco every year and have done for 62 YEARS!! We have had 10 finishes behind the safety car in 541 RACES over a 29 year period! Let’s quit moaning and just move on

[@mat_tamarin]

100% agree, well said.

[@Rancher2201]

Nicely played

[@ronvanr5359]

A boxing match can end on the first or last round, that’s sport. Not every F1 race ends on excitement safety car or not.

[@obez42]

@@ronvanr5359 Spot on!! 10 out of 541 races have ended behind the Safety Car in last 29 years…. And we get this massive over reaction… People need to get a grip and get some balance…

[@ehrlichgesagt863]

@@ronvanr5359 ye like "i feel sorry for the crowd" ye that can happen should we now add random red flags to make it more interesting? Like if you go watch a race or any sport it could be a boring day but thats how sport is. You have just those boring games or races where somebody just dominates or nothing is happening

[@thomasjackson658]

I haven’t listened to the podcast yet, but I really hope you called out the Tifosi, mainstream media has been ignoring it or trying to justify it

[@xxxHoskixxx]

I'm gonna spoil it for you, sorry. Not even a word about it.

[@askeeter84]

Flares and booing should be called out and handled at every track.

[@BadAtPickingUsernames]

I think it would be easier to defend Max if it wasn’t for the horrible behavior of his fans (which he doesn’t try to help correct) and if he didn’t act like sort of a trashy arrogant child so often, saying things like he’s not enjoying being asked about something so he will punch the next person who asks about it and thinking it’s reasonable for an adult to say that. These large fan groups, max’s with their flares, etc the Tifosi, do seem to cause more trouble than they are worth.

[@xxxHoskixxx]

@@BadAtPickingUsernames He made it clear many times wants to focus on racing and he doesn't care about rumors or answering same question over and over again. Like "are you going to drive int lewis Hamilton this weekend". I'd be annoyed too. As far as "fans behavior" I think he summed it up perfectly by saying "these people are not real formula 1 fans" and I think it applies to all fan bases. We have so much new audience that I sometimes wish F1 would go back to be just popular instead of mainstream hype. A lot of hate and pathological behavior would be ruled out. On the side note. Funny that Max is seen as arrogant and cocky, meanwhile Kimi was cool as hell in his interviews answering "No" or " I was taking a sh*t".

[@tkraid2575]

@@xxxHoskixxx I think the Max hate could be blamed for DTS. The fabrication of a "persona" of him made this toxic problem we have now. As for Kimi, well, he doesn't have much media exposure (he pretty much refuses interviews or trolls them)so there wasn't an opportunity for the media to paint him as an asshole.

[@oscarolie5743]

Apart from his love for Max, I think Tom is the most objective person in your team. . ;)

[@99hrs]

Yeh sometimes Tom’s takes are very very off , nice lad tho! Lol

[@adamstansfield7554]

I think the onesie streak still lives because whenever Grace wears it for the *race* it works, and Grace didn’t wear it for the race this weekend she wore it for the formation lap before it had to be taken off... Meaning the streak lives on!!

[@argantosnl]

it's the most poetic shit filled onesie that sums up ferrari's home race week.

[@jordanhooper1527]

I think Grace was making a point about the race and being in the wrong onesie

[@Wild-Duck]

Not a single mention about the Tifosi... Wow... Not even anything about Verstappen's car literally got damaged by stuff thrown from Tifosi during the SC... Yeah... But let's be not biased... 🤷

[@xxxHoskixxx]

What did you expect ? Main podcast host and WTF1 presenter is a die hard Ferrari fan. Obviously hes not going to talk about it. Also his saltiness is increasing from weekend to weekend, you can hear it. Like seriously, it's not your rival teams fault they're not a bunch of clowns and are nailing every race weekend. Grow up. Be professional

[@billgross1719]

​@@xxxHoskixxx They literally say in the start of each podcast that Tommy is the founder of WTF1, not Matt.

[@sadmanh0]

@@xxxHoskixxx Tommy is the founder and a Max fan, and Matt is a Leclerc fan, neither care about the teams.

[@xxxHoskixxx]

@@sadmanh0 Fixed. I have a different opinion. I'm with WTF1 for years and let me tell you, it would be hard to find a Ferrari fan as big as Matt is. You can't not be a Ferrari fan when you're a Schumacher fan, or Leclerc fan etc. It'll like loving skiing and hating the snow at the same time. Regardless, this is not the point of the discussion here.

[@sadmanh0]

@@xxxHoskixxx fair enough

[@d.katzroy3313]

I'm so glad Max won this one, a perfect middle finger to the tifosi that chanted 'Verstappen's mom is a (...)'. Not to mention the assholes who threw things at his car. Deplorable. And it figures there isn't more outrage, since only the dutch fans get put under the microscope.

[@nkusters]

Saw some vids on TikTok where Tifosi forced people that wore RB merch to take it off. Surprised I've not heard more about that as well.

[@Locormus2]

For the British Media, it's easy money to sell stories about Verstappen the "Human Error" champion and his orange army of brutes and drunkards. The British love to hate on Max for 2021 and putting him and everything affiliated in a negative light gets clicked on. And now they're NOT talking about it because it would humanize the guy and that would be bad for business.

[@jacobknock6559]

just gonna say, i agree with you, but there’s no way people were throwing things at Verstappen’s car that damaged the car like some are claiming

[@blueey2938]

The tifosi showing their true colors.

[@ddha0000]

considering Max's dad is a wife beater, I have no respect for Max that he keeps him around.

[@ethann_vr00m]

Even smiling, I still can feel how Matt is dying inside because of ferrari's season. The fact that Monza has been the cleanest race for Ferrari since austria is horrible to know. Wishing Matt to recover from this. And as always, thanks Katy and Tom, you 3 are doing a great job, I really enjoy your podcasts !

[@DutchGamingPieces]

I love the fact that Matt JUMPED on the booing by Dutch fans. But all the terrible things that happend and the Monza GP, Matt hasn't said a WORD about it. Classy Matt!

[@abbas_hashem]

What do you meen? He talked about it @ 48:00 mins into this vid, and then said they'll dedicate a whole seperate video about it.

[@leeryan1051]

@@abbas_hashem no he lumped it in with terrible fan experience and spent all of 6 seconds in that video talking about the tifosis actions, and even then only addressing the mildest form of abuse.

[@jasonfabo7126]

Looking forward to the video about fan behavior in Italy. With just as strong a tone as I saw about the Dutch

[@skeletonmodel]

Was looking for this as well. Absolutely disgusted back then, but not a word about this weekend? Really

[@TwoTwoFourSix]

The abuse the Max received the fact that you guys didn't cover it, its a damn shame.

[@brunogiannella2078]

Seb was booed all 9 wins in a row in 2013... it will happen

[@TwoTwoFourSix]

@@brunogiannella2078 they covered it Bruno, they covered it when Hamilton was getting booed. So that sets the precedent that they should be covering this too. It’s unjust

[@rosek7114]

I think they're going to cover it in an upcoming video. But I do think it should've just been addressed here.

[@soundscape26]

Seb was booed a ton... and even Lewis on occasion. I personally don't like it but it is what it is.

[@Locormus2]

@@soundscape26 that's obviously a problem, but what's being raised here is that the booing of Verstappen has been getting swepped under the rug by a lot of media outlets. The Tifosi have taken it way too far at Monza, harrassing RB-fans in the stands, chanting that his mother is a b*tch, for him to die and not respecting the Dutch anthem at the podium by 'singing' the Italian anthem instead. I mean, really?

[@erictomlinson9467]

Please speak out against the horrible behavior from the Tifosi. The Tifosi acted disgracefully this weekend. Max has been nothing but respectful towards Ferrari and their drivers this season, so have Max’s fans, and this is how these people behave? Not only were they booing him for no reason, they also chanted “Verstappen’s mom is a wh***”, Max fans were harassed all weekend long (there actually is video proof!!), them singing over/booing the Dutch National Anthem and the threw things at Max’s car during the SC. And ofcourse F1 and the media is completely ignoring this since apparently #driveitout does not apply when it is Max or his fans being harassed, absolutely hypocritical and disgusting

[@GrantMerle]

its just some boos mate, take it as a compliment :)

[@Euclides287]

Max did call Ferrari a bunch of cheaters in 2019. Remember?

[@lewiskidd9568]

@@Euclides287 but where they wrong?

[@kimiraikkonen1393]

@@GrantMerle just booes? They also sung “Verstappen’s mom is a wh***’, threw things towards his car, harassed Max fans, yelled death wishes towards Max, and sung through the Dutch National anthem.

[@kimiraikkonen1393]

@@Euclides287 he was speaking facts though

[@mikemelina7395]

Not a word spoken about the atrocious behavior of the Tifosi. I half expected it.

[@wickett7078]

What happened?

[@solidsnack3681]

@@wickett7078 Booing Max at every opportunity including singing over the Dutch National anthem, Harrasing Max fans including damanding they take off their memorabilia, chanting "Max's mother is a whore", and throwing stuff at Max's Redbull

[@omarroncal6970]

48:15 and he WILL make a video about it.

[@mikemelina7395]

@@wickett7078 Besides relentlessly booing Verstappen during his post race interview, on mic and also the playing of the Dutch national anthem and award ceremony, they chanted that his mother is a whore...loudly. All of it was done extremely loudly.

[@d.katzroy3313]

@@wickett7078 asides from the booing and fan harassment, there were chants about how Sophie Kumpen is a w**re and things got thrown at his car, actually damaging it.

[@amishvenom9310]

Changing late safety cars to cause a red flag will inevitably cause strategic dnfs in unfavourable parts of the track to trigger a restart. I would find this more controversial than the uncommon finish behind a safety car personally

[@RIchard-ky7zk]

Finally someone that gets it. We would get crashgate all over again. Also i think it is unfair mainly to the smaller teams. Because they would lose out the most. And like you said it opens the door for cheating.

[@felsrage]

That is a very valid point ...

[@ehrlichgesagt863]

Ye like checo had a tech issue in abu dabai imagine there was that rule already we would hear about rb cheating there way to a titel or shit like that. It was just unlucky if ric stopped somewhere else or his car wasnt stuck in gear its 2 laps of racing but it happens

[@sigmundferd1359]

Same thing could be said for safety cars at any any point in the race that is advantageous for the team. Bottom line is F1 drivers egos are way too big for this to happen, you think Russel would do this for Lewis? Sainz for Charles? Ocon for Alonso ? I get your point but it would not be an issue.

[@RIchard-ky7zk]

@@sigmundferd1359 A Safetycar is something completly different from Red Flags. And if you think that driver Ego's is a problem. And they would never do it,, Then why did Nelson Piquet Jr, put his car in the wall.. Oh yes for a Alonso win. And if you think that the teams would not put a car on a spot that causes a red flag so that they can maybe score points with the other remaining car, Then i think you are naive.

[@erictomlinson9467]

So we’re really going to ignore the Tifosi’s behavior this weekend? I get it, unless you are wearing Orange you can do whatever you want without getting called out and #driveitout does not apply to you. The Tifosi this weekend have displayed the WORST behavior I have even seen in F1, and I have been watching for over 30 years

[@deathZor42]

Doesn't get media covers for a very very simple reason the Italians don't read the English press so no hate clicks.

[@stevenst6337]

@@deathZor42 if that kind of hate was displayed towards Lewis, British press would be having a mental breakdown right now. So that theory is kind of rubbish.

[@lmcclymont]

@@stevenst6337 Lewis is a British driver so yes British press would be all over it. If it was against Le Clerc though the Italian press would be all over it.

[@gotanycash]

Spaniards in black face was pretty bad.

[@Sam-te9sj]

Matt literally said they are doing a video about it. So either you just didn't watch/listen to the podcast or you just want to create a divide.

[@thecastawaydc]

When Katy said " I don't have much ball knowledge" I really wanted another Manscaped ad to start

[@Jay.D.Smithy]

She then followed it up with "ill go for a D" 1:13:15

[@freudsigmund72]

38:11 I guess these 60% all agree with Michael Masi, using his authority to make sure the last race of the season would not decide the season behind a safety car (in accordance with the intention stated by the team bosses previously that race ending under a safety car should be avoided).

[@andresilvasophisma]

Fans not wanting the race to finish under safety car and aggreeing with Masi are two different things. Matt calls the Masi debacle like it is, a farce, and yet he also wants the races to finish on a proper lap, not a safety car. Why you mixed the two together doesn't make any sense. What Masi did was completely ignoring the rules to favor a specific driver on the last lap of the championship, he did not have authority to do it. The FIA Acknowledged this and even Horner did it too. Why a few people are still pushing the idea that what he did was correct is ridiculous. 39.12 If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car. This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car was deployed. Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car. Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap. This part is very important. «. Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.» Last lapped car it's not the third lapped car, it's a very specific and well defined car. It doesn't say "the last car from the group of cars allowed to unlap themselves, it's specifically the last one. Also, the safety car did not pit on the following lap it entered the pit in the same lap it was announced.

[@peterthefoxx]

I don’t think so, I would be on the side that: there should be a set rule where it will automatically be a red flag instead of a safety car if it’s X laps towards the end of the race. Everyone knows that it will be a red flag instead of a safety car so it’s not up to what one person feels like on one day to the next.

[@freudsigmund72]

@@peterthefoxx but those rules weren't in place last year.

[@peterthefoxx]

@@freudsigmund72 I suppose it depends on if people interpret the poll as should it have happened in this race specifically or should “a” race end in a safety car generally with rule changes. I saw it as the latter asking if there should be something added to the rules to avoid it, but I didn’t see the original poll so perhaps I misinterpreted it.

[@HamSupZhai]

I think tifosi fans in general are the most toxic. The insane booing and not letting Max fans sit wherever they want just speaks volumes.

[@nikitamazegoat8881]

What kind of imaginary beef do the Tifosi have with Max to be treating him the way they treated last weekend? Max has been nothing but respectful and supportive of (the) Ferrari (drivers) and it has been a healthy rivalry. The Orange Army also hasn’t done anything against the Ferrari drivers. Very unnecessary behavior

[@Son-Of-Gillean]

The Dutch fans did boo Leclerc in the post race interview at Zandvort to be fair.

[@xellos6437]

@@Son-Of-Gillean they literally cheered him what are you on about?

[@kimiraikkonen1393]

@@Son-Of-Gillean they did not, stop spreading bs. Leclerc was cheered on all weekend, whereas Max was booed all weekend

[@Son-Of-Gillean]

@@xellos6437 They definitely booed him

[@beanmr1273]

@@Son-Of-Gillean they definitely didn’t

[@TheIrelander95]

You give Checo a C when he had to pit within the first 10 laps because his brakes were literally on fire, then had to nurse his car for several laps to not DNF, then went on a charge through the field and only didn't finish higher than 6th because of the safety car as he was the fastest car by a margin before the SC!? I'm not gonna pretend Checo is not having a harder time with the car development but that's a B at least!

[@florinmocanu2005]

It becomes clear for me each weekend that all 3 of them don't really inform themselves properly over all the drivers. just the few 3-4 that did something "special" or unusual. I mean, talking about Ricciardo train hog for so much time, instead of talking about Mick's great long stint on mediums, switching to softs and being the 7th fastest driver on the track in the last 10 laps before the SC.

[@emmacooper3177]

Can you make a video about the behavior of the Italian fans towards Verstappen? Unlike what Binotto is trying to claim they were most definitely booing Max, among many other disgusting things. And unlike the claims that were made against the Orange Army, there actually is video evidence of the things the Italian fans did

[@stinkosm]

Also chanting about his mom.

[@anthonyreaves9029]

@@stinkosm that was very unnecessary and disgusting

[@stevenst6337]

I heard they were throwing stuff at his car from the stands? Is this true? Cause if so that’s pretty shameful haha

[@mr.malcolmthegreat]

What would be the point. It’s just gonna be a video saying how bad it was and why they shouldn’t do it. It ain’t gonna stop anybody from carrying on like that if they want to.

[@stevenst6337]

@@mr.malcolmthegreat if it was Lewis receiving that treatment, every single F1 outlet would be reporting on it, Toto and Lewis would make the most massive deal out of it as well. But since it’s Max it’s okay in everyone eyes. Hilarious the double standards British media is showing.

[@peterfconley]

The safety car procedure didn’t necessarily need to be different, it could have just been more efficient and we’d have seen a grandstand finish.

[@crLiam]

Same for a certain other race

[@tHebUm18]

As a somewhat recent F1 fan, it blows my mind that they see something like Abu Dhabi 2021 and develop no contingency plan for better handling of a late race caution scenario. It seems like gross organizational incompetence to have had that happen and the only takeaways they could come up with were the absolutely barest minimum they could of firing Masi and not breaking their own rules to unfairly alter the outcome moving forward. For an organization with a lot of money that values their image, seems like a no brainer to put a small team on developing a plan for such scenarios.

[@JanHMBLCK]

Why should it be changed? I haven't heard a single argument as to why it needs to be changed that doesn't come down to "entertainment". But look at this race, why red flag it? RB/Max had a perfect weekend and nobody was able to get close, yet people want Ferrari to have a shot because that would be cool? RB started their raceplan on Friday by doing the most long runs, they sacrificed a possible pole position to get Max the best car in the race. He was able to deliver and make his softs lasts, because he did his homework. All that needs to go because we don't like races to finish behind a SC? That's just artificial random stuff added to the race, we got that in FE and nobody likes the fan boost there.

[@onthatbombsh3ll890]

I think for the race ending under safety car(if it was to become a more common occurrence). If the yellow(SC) is throw with 5 laps left they have two laps to clear it for racing if not they bring them down pit road and park them in the order they are in and they are not allowed to do any repairs or tire changes to the car unless required by the stewards(repair the front wing if it’s missing, haven’t done the mandatory compound change, or if something is deemed unsafe to continue on/with by the stewards) then they can have a Standing start or Rolling start Stewards choice for two laps(Green, White, Checkered)

[@lagundafire]

I was at Monza. I didn’t mind it finishing under the safety car. The Tifosi going ham, shredding up the track and booing max was much more entertaining.

[@simonruss7183]

15:28 Omg what a brilliant ad placement 😂😂

[@ryanjdevlin87]

I look forward to these almost as much as the races themselves :)

[@ZEROxFUSIONZ]

Giving Magnussen an E was harsh. He got a massive whack at the start from bottas which forced him to cut turn 1 and 2.

[@PsykoDestroyer]

The flipside to restarting with a late red, especially at Monza, is it increases the risk of further incidents. Do we want a race to finish under yellows, or a race where the leader is taken out with a lunge at turn 1.

[@2cvsrule]

Well under that logic we shouldn’t race at all in case someone crashes… With a red flag + rolling restart, it’s no different to a normal SC restart, which is pretty chill all things considered

[@PsykoDestroyer]

@@2cvsrule yeah that's fair, I was more considering red flag with stationary restart. With a rolling restart, anything that happens once the lead driver has control of the field is free game

[@crLiam]

Red flag followed by rolling start. 1 lap Saftey car and 1 or more racing laps

[@Banyo__]

I was listening to a conversation where someone said, look, this safety car business matters, a) if your favorite driver is leading or had a chance to lead prior to the safety car b) if the championship is super close, and it's a make or break race. Other than that, it's just racing. No one will ever be happy whether you red flag it or you finish under a SC finish. Someone will be screwed over, we see this even when it's not near the end of the race, because someone dives in the pits, but the other driver in front is too far a head, so they don't get the benefit of a cheap pit stop.

[@VanskyAlleria]

I get that the Red Bull is a good car, possibly the best, sometimes second. Checo is a good driver, but in many cases he ends up behind the Ferrari's and sometimes even the Mercs, but Max wins. How much of this "dominance" is down to the Red Bull and how much is down to "Max"? I suppose we have to compare Checo and Carlos.

[@Chyeahokay]

Checo is trash, dominance in drivers championship is due to max. Dominance in constructors is due to Ferrari screwing up so much first half of season.

[@H0lyFr0ggy]

1:20:00 Perez was 20 seconds behind the last car on lap 6 or 7 after the stop. So a C is a bit unfair in my opinion

[@Jay.D.Smithy]

Weird point to make as everyone else also had to stop... It was a poor race, Max started only 3 rows ahead but ended a lap and a half ahead by the 40th lap...

[@H0lyFr0ggy]

@@Jay.D.Smithy his breaks were on fire so they had to change his breaking setup which influences the driving style. he also had the hard tires and he had to do another stop. How are you still comparing him to max?

[@jebus456]

Came into the comments looking for this, I agree with the fan score of 'B'.

[@wilseph1]

The fact that Latifi is a lovely chap and loves his Nutella is all that we can come up with....that says it all.

[@chriscollins550]

No don't change the finish rules they are fine. The finish was fine I been watching f1 over 40 years and seen championship finish behind the saftey car.

[@gpaje]

Red flag with standing start at near the end of race is unfair to the leader, at the most a red flag with in-line start could work.

[@SuicidalLemonade]

In tennis they changed the grass to a thicker grass to improve bounce consistency which moved the optimal strategy away from serve and volley. In table tennis they increased the ball size to slow the game down specifically for TV. F1 can absolutely add a "last 5 lap safety car = Red flag + sprint" clause.

[@MultiChaoticus]

Nyck de Vries, Formula 2 champion, Formula E champion, his name has been mentioned regularly in the Formula 1 scene for years now. He had a little help from the grid penalties, starting 8th, but finishing 9th, in a Williams, not his own Williams, at his debut in Formula 1! He did great!

[@andrewrobinson8650]

These pod casts are a breath of fresh air. Its a subjective open discussion. When people could have different options. Never change!!!

[@kimiraikkonen1393]

The mainstream British media have once again shown what massive hypocrites they are this weekends. Completely ignoring the harassment and abuse Max has received, and unlike what Binotto is trying to claim, it wasn’t aimed at the FiA. Max was booed all weekend long, his mom was called a wh***, death wishes were thrown his way, things were thrown towards his car, etc. And somehow the media stays silent

[@Euclides287]

Perhaps your outrage should be directed at the *Italian media?* The British will never be able to control the tiffosi.

[@kimiraikkonen1393]

@@Euclides287 the British media could have at least called it out. Their silence is deafening and shows how hypocritical they are

[@JK-tj6ie]

Not even talking about Tifosi harassing Red Bull fans

[@foxq6809]

@@kimiraikkonen1393 max is dutch, why should the 'british' media care?

[@Mandykiss4500]

@@foxq6809 98% of F1 Media & F1 Journalists ARE British! Sky Sports F1 & F1TV is BRITISH Broadcasts is shown ALL over the World!

[@michaelheifner8534]

Absolutely the best British cooking show on you tube- Matt is brilliant and Tom is always on point- Katy is always cheery and optimistic

[@Amory98]

I'm really surprised at the lack of talk about the worst and undeserved booing of the season. The Brit media doesn't realise that their bias against Max makes us love him even more.

[@omarroncal6970]

22:43 That synchronized drink!

[@idisrespectmods]

Tommy forgetting Brendon Hartley when talking about drivers entering F1 after a stint out of single seaters

[@DawidSikora]

1:03:00 It all depends what kind of excitement we want. If we want a lot of overtakes then places like spa are great but it also means that most probably the winner would be a top team driver as their car pace allows them for much easier overtakes. If we want unusual winners then places like Monza or Monako are great because it's (very) hard to overtake meaning if you manage to somehow be in front, you can just grab to it

[@hallamhal]

Its crazy how in the space of only a couple of months, we've gone from a static driver market to now looking at potentially three rookies next year. 2023 could be very exciting!

[@soundscape26]

Yeah, Seb created a domino effect.

[@stevemccoy6434]

Go Nyck "The Breeze"! Cool and refreshing air to this year's driver's market.

[@wilseph1]

The Manscaped ad coming on right after Matty says the way he spreads it. Incredible.

[@Meshcins1]

The timing of the manscaped ad after Matt's comments! 😆🤣 15:15

[@gregoryclark8217]

Latifi may be a pay driver, but he still did well enough in lower series to get his super license. He's not F1 standard, but he's not terrible. He'll go on to race other series probably.

[@Locormus2]

Aside from Mazepin - I honestly can't mention anyone else that brought as little racing instinct into F1 as Latifi. And despite his lack of skill and being a complete asswhipe, I honestly think Mazepin is more of a racer at heart then Latifi is. There are so many excellent young drivers that also managed to get a superlicense that just didn't get into F1 because Latifi was just there as sustainance for Williams to stay afloat.

[@Boxingdiehard]

Wondered why the first post was only 53 minutes… hoped Matt was ok 🤣😆

[@lewisroach8723]

didnt these used to have time stamps to know what topics they were discussing? Are those gonna come back any time soon because if you don't have time for the whole thing those are quite useful.

[@anthonyreaves9029]

Very disappointing to not hear you say a word about the Tifosi’s horrible behavior

[@bradweinberger6907]

They said they were going to make a separate video about it

[@MostViewedTop40]

On Nyck de Vries, I just wanted to say that he did an amazing job, but I have been thinking about how Antonio Giovinazzi came into the sport. He subbed in for another driver at Sauber, and did amazingly well and everyone thought he was the next big(ish) thing. Then, however, he got to sub in again at the next race which was a wet race at the Chinese grand prix. Unfortunately he binned the car in the wet and then didn't get into F1 for something like 1.5-2 years. ....So how the paddock sees you depends on your last performance. The Williams has a very up and down performance, and it was set to do really well at Monza because it's a low downforce track. HOWEVER, we are going to Singapore next. A super difficult high downforce track with walls. It's fairly likely Nick will drive because Alex has had the complication with his operation unfortunately. Hopefully Nick will do well there too, but it would almost have been better if he had just had the 1 race and then left an amazing impression.

[@reiniernn9071]

Take into account that Nyck is formulaE worldchampion, previous F2 Champion , F3 etc. He has a lot of experience in other cars. And...as a dutch driver...he should know what a wet road means. I wish Nyck yhe best....if he starts in Singapore. (Also I'm told he is a friend form more than one driver due to his past racing including Max and George. He'll get support to startup racing in a F1 car.

[@obc_obdo]

Stoffel Vandoorne subbed for Alonso in the 2016 McLaren, next to Jenson Button. He managed to score points on his F1 reserve driver debut, the first to do so since Vettel in 2007. Moreover, that was the first McLaren point of the season which put Vandoorne ahead of 2 world champions in the standings. Then the 2017-2018 GP2 engine aaaaaargh McLaren-Alonso meltdown happened and not much came from it. The point is: in F1, nothing is certain. Not even when you have a stellar debut. If he had been in a great car for 2017-18, he might have had a spectacular F1 career. If Checo did not get picked up by RBR, he'd be a retired midfield driver and not the Minister of Defence. If Russell would still be at Williams, his podium count would look different. -If Lord Mahaveer- For De Vries too, a lot will depend on where he ends up. I hope he - and every talented F1 driver - gets to show what he's capable of on a regular basis!

[@VanskyAlleria]

Can you do a video about how Max's dominance this year compares to other years. I seem to remember the Merc's being 1-2 just about every race. Seems at the start of this year RB was so far behind and I think they would still be ahead if Ferrari did not mess up as much, but again, how does this year compare to previous years. Just to put it in perspective.

[@Smithmatthew9]

Another great editing job on this video Katy

[@dallasb3433]

petition to make max and latifi switch cars for 1 race to see what happens

[@darshang1262]

Redbull can't afford latifi crashing

[@markbogdan2]

Feels like the whole fanbase is blowing Nyck's race out of proportions. He did have a nice race, but he also had favorable circumstances with all the grid penalties. I really want to see him a second time before giving him A* ratings

[@wallymcguire2033]

Agree. He had a good starting position because of penalties and then rode the middle of a DRS train for the majority of the race. He did well but at this point, the hype is overblown. One race doesn’t make a trend. The perfect example is Daniel Ricardo. He won Monza in 2021, but that one race doesn’t define his performance over a whole year. The Devries hype train is a little overdone right now.

[@laxtime]

Love the cutaway to Mascaped Ad. Well played.

[@WillowCreative]

magnussen had diffuser damage from lap one

[@lsemaldokhar4154]

Idea. 1. Activate the VSC immediately and allow the marshalls to assess the situation. 2. a. If the VSC would carry into the 5th lap from the Checkered Flag, automatic Red Flag at the end of there 6th from last lap. b. If a full SC is required with

[@Locormus2]

Tommy mentioning 'trickling' and 'not a proper finish' in the same sentence.. 😂

[@Sheamu5]

Made it past the ad last time, way to find my spot again.

[@joyl7842]

24:30 how serious the two get about the onesy malarkey 😆

[@mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6168]

I agree with matt about the safety car finishes. We have always had safety car finishes and there's never been any complaining. The problem is there's no way you get a safety car from 6 laps to go and still finish the race under the safety car and then say : that's the rule , so no problem ( pretending to be disapointed , cause your favorite driver once got ****** in a similar situation )

[@TeamSukiyo]

The football analogy only works if you then remove all the goals achieved over the match for the final 5 minutes and restart it 0-0

[@AyyFuji]

I hate this discussion around red flagging Monza, it wasn't a safety issue, so there is no need to bring out a red flag. You can't have Abu Dhabi and say "This is a robbery, why didn't they just end it under safety car", but then say "Oh they should have red flagged Monza, finishing under a safety car sucks". Choose one side or the other. This is what happens in sport, it's never a fairytale ending, you get poor finishes to games/races, that's an accepted piece of it. We don't need to be adding gimmicks to racing, to try and make it more entertaining, that's what people complain that they've done since Abu Dhabi, and it's still 100% focus on the sport, not the entertainment. This whole conversation is just stupid, we really do not need to gimmick up racing. Also, people called it a 'controversial finish' I'm sorry, did you guys not notice Max was ahead by over 15 seconds to Leclerc before the SC? Max was winning, with or without the SC, that was inevitable. And yeah Matt, no one complained about Baku last year, BECAUSE THERE WAS A CAR THAT HAD CRASHED ON THE RACING LINE. There was a justifiable reason to red flag that race, there wasn't here. Crying out loud.

[@aniet1641]

He was lucky with his starting position because some faster cars started in the back but they moved forward, but he kept his position for the most part, from 8 to 9th position is so good. I wish the f1 fans could sponsor de Vries, he should have been there a few years ago

[@LuisSilva-iq5is]

Let me just say that Katy was probably the best additiom possible to WTF1 and the podcast! Been loving it ever since she joined!

[@pruthvirajshinde9991]

I was here when you upload a cut version of the podcast ...then re-uploaded the full one 🌝

[@ismaelhernandez6866]

Devries not only beat latifi he also out qualified and out raced almost half the grid... in a Williams

[@nishilbhartiya]

i mean, it's not quite as straight forward. He benefits from others grid penalties. Still an amazing job.

[@unthenner5519]

@@nishilbhartiya Then they shouldn't have got the penalties.

[@nishilbhartiya]

@@unthenner5519 It's an engine penalty. Do they just not get a PU to finish the season?

[@unthenner5519]

@@nishilbhartiya Should take better care of the engine.

[@nishilbhartiya]

@@unthenner5519 Go back to watching football my guy.

[@bobk4438]

Boring race? I thoroughly enjoyed it. I enjoy every race.

[@jiggy7108]

It took 1min 30s from Ricciardo's car stopping to the SC being deployed. Ricciardo was already out of the car and off track by the time the SC was deployed. It took 8½ mins from Ricciardo's car stopping to Max becoming the SC queue leader. When Ricciardo's car was already taken off track, Max was still at the back of the SC queue. This was due to Russell starting the SC queue, depsite being in 3rd, whereas Max was 1st and was at the back of the queue. If these issues had been fixed, we'd have easily gotten atleast 2 racing laps

[@Sem5626]

latifi had a self burn when he was asked about where nick finished "yeah.. that's where the car should finish"

[@daveblock4061]

My opinion on having a fair non-gimmick Green Flag finish is this: Automatic Red Flag with 'X' or fewer laps left. No tire changes or adjustments. When the track is clear the Safety Car leads the field around and a rolling start back at Start/Finish. Therefor same restart as a straight Safety Car. No fueling needed or other gimmick.

[@Addyboy0190]

I agree, instead of a verbal agreement why not ink a procedure for late incidents so this doesn't become an issue again, most of the scenarios can be anticipated and given a proper procedure to maximize safety and entertainment, you can have both not just one or the other

[@madsracing]

Ok I know I am on a lite rant here. But Kmag is one of the best starters over the years. He has done amazing starts this year and been unlucky. Monza: In Monza he had a great start of the line, then he got hit in t1. That forced him up in the air and to cut the conner. He had underbody damage. More then max in sliverstone. So no kindling he was slow. I know I sound aggressive but come on give him a break. He has put in some very good results. Wish you (the reader) a very good day

[@CareBear-Killer]

That first pit stop for Mick really seemed to hurt him, too. He was at least on a charge there towards the end and had picked up a couple positions. I doubt he could have made P10, but I think he might have been able to get 11th. Another race when he's been able to out pace KMag. De Vries should certainly be in contention for a ride next year. That performance really makes you wonder how good that Williams could actually be this year if they had a better driver.

[@ronrolfsen3977]

Red flag and restart from safety car are the fairest. Because for the drivers nothing really changes to make it unfair. For the fans, it is a lot more entertaining than finishing behind the safety car. Standing starts to me are a bit too random. Drivers have a lot more impact on those around them at a standing start. Fine at the beginning of a race, because there is plenty of time to retake positions.

[@WhiskyCanuck]

The finish does make me wonder if they should adopt the rule that some other series' do: No finishing under safety car. Keep it going, extending the race distance until the SC can come in (or VSC ended) and have 2 full laps of racing to finish. Obviously that can create fuel issues for some runners, but that's part of the appeal. I haven't watched NASCAR in forever, but I think they did something like that.

[@rc0885]

Love wtf1 and I’m so happy for nyck de gotties and hope he gets a seat next yr at Williams

[@reddmessiah6363]

An idea for the end of the race safety car issue is if there is 5 laps left and a vsc or full safety car is needed it becomes an automatic red flag. Then the restart is a rolling restart. Makes it a pause of the race not a restart

[@antonioarrieta4591]

And I love how Katy says penalty. Genuinely!

[@beanmr1273]

The Tifosi need to be called out. It seems like F1 only cares when things are either 1) done by the Orange Army 2) aimed at British drivers 3) both Just an overview of the things that happened this weekend; - the Tifosi chanting “Verstappen’s mom is a whore” - bullying and harassing Max fans all weekend long - booing Max all weekend long - booing and singing through the Dutch National Anthem - throwing things at Max’s car during the safety car - hurling death wishes at Max And yes EVERY SINGLE THING was caught on camera. WHY is F1 and the media stayed silent?

[@ConorF727]

Who are these three people who keep interrupting my ads?

[@matthewturner2000]

We need Seb, Max, & Charles doing donuts on the pit straight in Abu Dhabi.

[@stevemcdonnell2922]

Devries career and the way it's gone kind of reminds me of Joylon Palmer who I think was maybe 2 years younger when he got his first full F1 race. I know he was signed for the year but his best result in his first year was the point he scored in Malaysia when he came 10th and losing his seat after the following season. Hopefully Nicks career in F1 is more successful but it just goes to show that there has been other cases of people having to wait until their mid-twenties to get that F1 seat.

[@Maleficent84]

Nyck did fantastic in Monza! Just wish there could be even more opportunities that up and coming drivers can show teams what they are able to do. If circumstances would have been different, no one would have seen how great Nyck could be and he could very well have been overlooked by the teams for other drivers. Also, strategy calls are easy to critique in hindsight when you have all the info. If consider how Ferrari were making their calls earlier in the year, the call they made in Monza was nowhere near as bad. I think they thought they were going to get a better deal with the VSC than they ended up getting, so it wasn’t a travesty of a call just more of an unlucky one.

[@cyrusrahimi-bidmeshki4505]

🔥🔥🔥🏎WTF1 the best Motorsport podcast 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@AndrewKarstaedt]

Transitioned from Latifi spreading it, to a manscaped sponsor. Well played.

[@Drrolfski]

It would be great if you would add markers to these podcasts

[@ImRezqoo]

Tom Bellingham is on god mode lately

[@N00dleMeister]

I thought Chain Bear's solution in his video sounded pretty alright, and Matt's suggestion at the end sounded very similar. Check if everything can be cleared in time under a safety car for a few laps of racing at the end. If not, pause the race (not necessarily a red flag, why not make a new flag for it, would make it easier for fans to understand too). Then when the track is clear, the field goes out behind the safety car again and its a rolling restart just like if the safety car had been out, but without the laps being exhausted by them driving around waiting. I don't know what would be fairest in terms of tire changes etc. but since we'd be doing it under a new flag, it would have its own separate rules like not allowing tire changes during it (if that's the fairest option). Also the reason for the Baku Red Flag was obviously the severity of Max's crash, showering debris all over the track that would have the marshals in the middle of the track for a fair long time cleaning it up, assessing any damage to barriers and such. I do agree though that there needs to be a rule that if heavy machinery is brought onto the track like a crane, that should really be an automatic Red Flag for the very obvious safety reasons.

[@jonemmerson3336]

I fully agree that the safety car was the correct decision at the time, but as soon as Ricciardo’s car couldn’t be moved it should of been Red flagged.

[@tiagoferreira5368]

Mick to Alpine, Nick to Williams

[@celeenpalm8711]

“The way he spreads it…unbelievable.”

[@DANA-lx8cv]

If the race will end under SC, the SC stops just before the main straight. Everybody stops behind it. The drivers then all get out of their cars. A whistle is blown, and they run, on foot to the finish line. There you go, a "racing finish" every time.