2022 New-School Cruiser - Harley-Davidson Nightster vs. Honda Rebel 1100 DCT vs. Indian Scout Rogue

A comparison of next-generation cruiser motorcycles. The 2022 Harley-Davidson Nightster versus Indian Scout Rogue versus Honda Rebel 1100.
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There are faster machines, if that’s what you’re after, bikes with more power and less weight. Many even cost less than these. Yet the cruiser genre is home to some of America’s bestselling motorcycles. It’s no exaggeration to say that millions of riders have started out on bikes called Sportster or Rebel.
​​But after over three decades of successful manufacturing runs, both the Sportster and Rebel have changed. Honda’s Rebel brand is now a family of bikes in three displacements, 300cc, 500cc, and 1,100cc. Harley-Davidson’s Sportster is now a growing family of Revolution Max-powered machines, listed under the new Sport tab on Harley-Davidson’s website.
It was toward the end of these 30-plus-year runs for the Rebel and Evolution-powered Sportster that Indian Motorcycle saw an opportunity. These long-running models lacked technology and were starting to feel dated. Indian’s Scout hit the market with a new liquid-cooled DOHC 1,133cc V-twin engine and new-school multipiece aluminum frame, but with a traditional cruiser silhouette and dual outboard shocks. If H-D and Honda weren’t working on Rebel and Sportster replacements by that point already, the Scout was a clear message that times were changing and updates were due.
Now the Sportster name exists only on liquid-cooled models with a 60-degree vee angle. Iron 883s and Forty-Eights remain with the traditional 45-degree V-twin, but it is only a matter of time until the Evolution line disappears completely. This Evo line of Sportsters has sold more than 1.4 million motorcycles since 1986. H-D’s Evo line was, at one point, selling more than 70,000 units a year. The 2022 Honda Rebel 1100, Indian Scout Rogue, and Harley-Davidson Nightster are all here to fill that impending void.
Any of America’s vast network of long scenic highways could serve as a spiritual home and testing grounds for these new motorcycles, but few are as versatile and iconic as California’s Pacific Coast Highway. North of Los Angeles, long open stretches of beachside road cut through charming beach towns. Flip up your visor, pull in your clutch lever, and you can hear waves breaking on the shore. It’s a perfect cruiser environment, and Cycle World’s In-Market Editor Bradley Adams, former Editor-at-Large Andrew Cherney, and I lost no time ambling north out of Malibu toward Ventura.
If you’re in no hurry at all, these bikes are easy to enjoy. Their riding positions are varying levels of relaxed. There’s little in front of their riders to distract from the road and landscape ahead. Here the Scout’s softer suspension and stretched-out ergonomics quickly lead to tranquil cruising. The 1,133cc V-twin pulls steady and strong, smooth and predictable. No traction control, power modes, or even a fuel gauge mean the riding experience is simple and direct. A well-tuned throttle and excellent clutch feel mean that ride modes are never missed. Engine character walks the line between high-revving sportbike engines and a more traditional cruiser torque bomb. Near-peak torque is available immediately from the first crack of the throttle, but the engine revs up nicely to 8,000 rpm with no flat spots, redlining at 8,260. As our group entered town and hit traffic lights, the Scout’s pop-pop-pop at idle let bystanders know that this was the most traditional cruiser of the bunch.
Honda’s Rebel 1100 is so predictable and easy to ride that it can almost feel like cheating. Use of a dual-clutch automatic transmission (DCT) eliminates the need for a clutch lever or shift pedal, but the throttle provides a direct and connected feel through the ride-by-wire system and allows a high level of control even as the bike shifts automatically during acceleration. Three programmed modes alter power delivery, engine-braking, traction control, and DCT shift points; riders can program their own mode if preferred. But even with so much technology between right hand and rear wheel, riding the Rebel is uncomplicated and pure. Twist the throttle and it goes; focus on what’s ahead, not what it takes to get there.
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[@locumClown]

In the full article, the Rebel 1100 does 0-100 in 9.52 seconds, and the quarter in 12.37seconds @ 100.63mph... funny thing is, the Rebel 1100 is speed limited to 100mph. So, the Scout had a lower time by .01 seconds, but for the last 2.8 seconds or so of the run, the Rebel is just cruising at 100mph. Just an FYI to anyone out there that cares about the absolute numbers. Love my 1100 DCT.

[@topshelf6623]

i bought a Honda Rebel (manual) and right away went to work getting the bars up higher and have managed to gain about 4 inches of height on the bars which has improved the ergos (for me) immensely. did a 600 km day last weekend. luv the bike...

[@mrvwbug4423]

Is there any fix for the pegs? I think forward controls would really help that really cramped riding position

[@topshelf6623]

@mrvwbug44 I actually like where they are but i have a short inseam

[@marcelpursche5339]

​@@mrvwbug4423 There is a kit by DPM for the Rebel 1100 to move the original controls forward. They also have a kit for the 300/500. I think there are also cheaper kits from Thailand but the DPM one looks the sturdiest to me and the design looks better.

[@topshelf6623]

@mrvwbug44 depends on your height and your experience with other bikes. i myself dont want alot of weight on my t ailbone which is what forward pegs do for you. maybe some pegs out front to rest on once in a while but definitely not all the time IMO

[@lekikelekona9809]

Did you need to buy new cables for the 4 in lift?

[@LeeStrain]

I'm 6'1" and sit my Honda DCT comfortably with no issues. That was a concern going in but found the handlebar/foot peg positioning works for me. I may change my mind down the road and raise the handlebar but as of now I don't see that happening. Love how it's torque/shift point/traction can be adjusted. Perfect bike for my needs.

[@just_one_opinion]

Well, you wont stall that bike being an automatic so that's good.

[@hulkhatepunybanner]

*Some folks are "top-tall" while others have longer legs.* It makes people of the same height have different experiences on the same machine.

[@robertemmons2260]

Earlier this spring I had done a lot of research on the midsized cruisers, and after some thought I had placed an order on June 13th on the 2022 Indian Scout ABS BlackMetallic. I bought the standard Scout, which had been called the classic by many. It had a little better suspension travel and lean angle than the Rogue or the Bobber while still maintaining that classic look. In the second week of August it had finally arrived at my dealership. I had taken delivery of it on Friday August 12th. It's been just over two months and 1100+ miles and I still don't regret my decision. I can ride it from station to station without getting fatigued. I've received many compliments on this bike, even from Harley owners. Even the ninja riders in my neighborhood have given me awesome compliments on my Scout.

[@MrEiniweini]

I own the sportster S and I looked heavily at both the Scout and Rebel (this was before the Nightster was announced). I think your comparisons are fair with these three bikes. If the Sportster S was not there then I would take the Rebel but I would always lament that I never took the Scout. I would not even look backwards at what I might have missed with the Nightster. I own the Sportster S and I would buy the Rebel or Scout . Without having those two I would buy the z900. I just don't like the nightster.

[@robbyclark6915]

I know what you mean. I waited for almost two years for Harley to introduce this new, 975, sportster and this is what we get??? I absolutely hate it. Harley can’t get out of their own way. I ended up just going with the tried and true softail platform and bought myself the last remaining Low Rider S on the lot and I love that bike! The sportster S was very tempting to me but the fat tires, the high exhaust, and the tiny little seat were just not going to work as my daily rider (since I can only afford one bike). I would take that Honda or the Indian in a heartbeat though. Probably should have? I just really wanted a Harley Davidson!

[@catataumachado1]

The video that I needed to watch. Really well done.

[@gkidd1991chevy]

3k cheaper for the rebel with cruise and honda reliability ill take that one

[@spacejaime]

Awesome comparo. Thanks guys! 👍👍

[@CactusJack252]

Out of these, I would pick the rebel 1100. Add some highway pegs and the rebel would be much better for longer distances. I do wish the rebel came with belt drive due to less maintenance. My second choice would be the scout. It's been out for a while and it's a proven bike. The scout needs more lean angle.

[@wave6413]

Crash bars help for foot change and rest, mid pegs let one stand up. I really like my 1100, I wanted a HD48 but i also want handling, so nix the HD & nix the Scout. I do like the Scout and would simply get rid of the slammed look and change suspension, but you meet the nicest people on a Honda........

[@bmagada]

The rebel 1100 is my first bike and after test driving a nightster I'm more than happy with my purchase.

[@jojo00030]

would have been nice to add triumph bonneville bobber to this video.

[@JelloThatsMellow]

It would've been a hard contest between that and the rebel. Those engines are amazing, yet their chassis is as refined as Honda's. I'll still take the speedmaster to the test, though I ride a speed twin myself.

[@jasonp1177]

@@JelloThatsMellow I had a 2020 Speedmaster is was a fabulous bike, I now own a 21 Indian scout bobber twenty. Sm is super nice but the new style is a bit to retro for me, both are fabulous bikes with their flaws. But I prefer the Indian.

[@JelloThatsMellow]

@@jasonp1177 I'm curious, what flaws? I know the suspension is a bit budget, as with all cruisers.

[@jasonp1177]

@@JelloThatsMellow the suspension is the biggest problem, but it's leaps and bounds better then the Indian that's facts. But my opinion with flaws is the chrome is cheap, Triumph doesn't care about their product, geared extremely tall, the tbw is very snatchy, the style itself is beautiful but it's a bobber with a different rear fender to mount a seat. Nothing like the older speedmasters and maybe a bit to retro for my liking. You can't go wrong with one I loved my sm just not my style unfortunately.

[@jasonp1177]

@@JelloThatsMellow also the 2020 was last year they can get the tune done as triumph locked the ECU unless someone recently broke it.

[@nickrider5220]

Not my type of bike, but the comparison and debate style video covers a lot of areas 👍

[@beauregardquitman1167]

Thanks for the comparison. It was just what I was looking for. FWI at about 10:00 the editing seems odd, you seem to jump from the Rebel right into the Scout in an odd way.

[@GrandmasCamera]

There are so many examples of good looking Liquid cooled engines, the aforementioned Scout, the Modern Classic Bonnevilles, hell, even Harley got it right before with the V-Rod and Street 750. Its a shame because the right side of the Nightster looks looks modern and unique.

[@jwilkers1]

My 1100 DCT with cruise control is perfect. I love this bike, I'm going to add some bags and batwing but the ride modes the cruise control and the power really make this bike fit a ton of different riding conditions. I think this was a perfect bike for me as a shorter rider. I can't wait to take it out on some long distance rides

[@tinman3586]

I was interested in all three of these bikes at one point or another. First I wanted the Rebel 1100, seemed like the most sensible choice being the cheapest but they're scarce now days. The 1100 does seem cheap and plasticy and looks kind of odd for a cruiser. The Nightster was kind of the same way but it was fun to ride, however it costs way more. I ended up with a Scout Rogue in Midnight Smoke Black. The styling is by far the best out of the three and the preformance is pretty good. Most of it's down sides can be fixed by add on accessories but Indian does nickel and dime you for them.

[@knives7876]

I am in the same boat as you, same thought journey. Have you found the lean angle to be an issue? Is there a way to fix it?

[@benkenobi01]

@@knives7876 I’m in the same boat too, gonna pick up a rogue next month. The reservoir shocks upgrade from Indian should help since it adds an inch of travel, but they’re expensive, and even then it kinda is what it is I feel like. Hard to get that slammed bobber look + comfortable foot position + lean angle all at the same time, gonna have to compromise somewhere.

[@jennifercuellar4574]

What do you mean the Rebel is not around anymore? You mean they no longer make the Rebel 1100?

[@benkenobi01]

@@jennifercuellar4574 I think what they meant was they're hard to find because they sell so fast. Gotta either order and wait, or get lucky.

[@AyaWetts]

@@jennifercuellar4574 place near me listed 5 new ones like 3 days ago. I think they still had 2 left yesterday, but with the weekend, I wouldn't be surprised if they are gone. I got a 2021 when they first came out very very luckily because I just happened to be in the right place at the right time when someone wasn't sure and backed out of their ordered one, and I got it. Even in 2022, it seems they sell out very fast.

[@Firestorm637]

Indian looks great both sides not one side

[@dennisthewalker]

3 of my favorite bikes I want to own and compare. Awesome video!

[@balam8743]

Even though I disagree with a lot of things said about these bikes I do appreciate the honest reviews and not being bias or fanboy rating. Too many youtuber making it sounds like domestics are best but not the fact here. Kudos and cheer for the honest review!

[@Sn0wdawgz]

Came here for the comments, and wasn't disappointed lmao

[@astro61362]

I really wanted to buy a Honda Rebel. But, I just could not get past the seating position. I ended up buying a Royal Enfield instead because it had a wonderful seating position.

[@1MrBryn]

ditto. If Honda make one with a normal naked bike seating position, I'll be all over it. The NT1100 is nearly there, but it's a bit fugly.

[@bmagada]

Look up the Honda Hawk 11. Same engine on more of a cafe racer looking bike. Might be what you're looking for.

[@1MrBryn]

@@bmagada I was very disappointed to find they aren't exporting that one. It does look like a lovely bike, although I'm not sure if it's available with the DCT.

[@coreychristopher9867]

The Rebel's ergos can be fixed, just add $$$. I added De Pretto forward controls, a Corbin Dual Tour saddle, and Kajima handle bars that bring the grips back about 2". The additions ran about $2k, but that's still less than the others, and includes cruise control.

[@justinneilson1263]

Honda makes other very cool cruisers such as the Shadow and the Fury

[@colincampbell3601]

People who buy motorcycles because of the way they go around corners are riding sports bikes. People who buy motorcycles because of their utilitarianism buy adventure bikes. People who buy bikes for style are buying cruisers.

[@GrandmasCamera]

The Indian Scout also the advantage in that its not just the Rouge. If you dont like the Ergos of a mini Ape and the uncomfortable suspension set up theres always the Classic Scout, and theres also the Bobber if your looking for something more aggressive. There no other Liquid Cooled Sportster to go to aside from the Sportster S which is kinda of a different bike, bigger engine and much more expensive, competes more with the FTR.

[@borkfork3163]

I bought the manual Honda. At 6 ft and 1 inch I HAD to get forward controls to be comfortable. Otherwise my hip pain was miserable.

[@robertsonfamilyfarm9126]

Honda Rebel 1100 great bike but if you really want a motorcycle for cruising and performance and custom accessories and to fit someone near 6’ plus , I recommend the Harley Davidson lowrider S , yes expensive with benefits! Anyway I also have a African Twin for the win 🥇

[@robbyclark6915]

Yessir! I waited forever for the new 975 sportster to come out and all it did is persuade me to buy my FXLRS. Far superior in every way, imo, and it’s a “real” bike! I got the last 114 model left in the showroom and got a nice deal on it so I really didn’t pay that much more compared to the little nightmare bike.

[@feloniousmonk3049]

Would a lowrider S fit someone 6' 5" tall ?

[@AyaWetts]

@@feloniousmonk3049 Lowrider S is a great old school style, big and heavy... very expensive for what it is... Harley. There are so many mods, you could probably make it fit any size person. If you like giant heavy cruisers with almost 2000cc vtwins, you should check out the new ones. They are great old fashioned cruisers, so if you have a ton of money to burn, you can't go wrong with one.

[@j.martin4476]

Not even remotely in the same class or worth comparison… not to mention it’s double the price tag of these bikes as well… I could list another dozen bike that are better than these for many reasons and are also priced well out of this range… 🤦‍♂️ bless your heart

[@filoIII]

Is there a way to tune the Nightster for better low-end torque? Just gearing?

[@QuasiMotard]

Great review, guys! I own the 2021 Rebel 1100 DCT and agree on all points. I've ridden the Indian Scout, and I couldn't cope with the 2.0" of rear suspension travel or its terrible lean angle. However, the Scout's engine is great... lots of torque, and it feels a bit quicker than the Rebel. I'm surprised you didn't mention the Rebel's terribly-underdamped rear shocks in your review. The rear suspension and the mid-controls are my biggest gripes about the Rebel... and both of those items are severe drawbacks for touring. I've made several 3000+ mile road trips with my Rebel so far (11K on the clock now). My spine needs carbon fiber inserts to absorb the kidney-crushing bumps, and my hip flexors need to be replaced with Kevlar to tolerate 8-10 hour days in the saddle! 🤣 Granted... the Rebel is more of a cruiser than a tourer, but I hope that Honda addresses those shortfalls in their upcoming "Rebel Tour" edition. A larger fuel tank would also be a nice bonus because 150-ish miles per tank is a bit weak. Thanks again for all the great content, especially your detailed dyno runs! Cheers! --QM 👏😉👍

[@freebehindbars8654]

Harley, Indian and then Honda for fun factor.

[@michaelhodgkinson9730]

One thing that of course they didn’t mention is the price. They mentioned that the Honda 1100 is cheaper but they didn’t mention how much cheaper compared to the other two. 16.5k for HD, 16k for Indian, 14.5k for Honda. That’s quite a bit cheaper for great performance and super reliable engine that’s been out for along time (Africa twin) with cheaper parts if something does go wrong. With Harley and Indian they are new developed motors, with new developed motors comes a lot of problems and a lot more expensive parts normally.

[@jereminco8519]

WTF, i live in france, and the price gap is huge ! Honda rebel (manual) : 11k€ / H-D nightster : 16.4k € / Indian rogue : 16.2k€. It's a big point, american bikes are too expensive in EU, but people buy the brand (and lifestyle).

[@michaelhodgkinson9730]

@@jereminco8519 oh yah for sure. I live in Canada where American bikes are cheaper the Japanese bike compared to Europe but as I stated the jap bikes are still cheaper & 10x more reliable.

[@feloniousmonk3049]

How much seat height and going from mid to forward pegs do you need to make a Honda Rebel 1100 work for someone 6' 5" tall . It's the parallel twin 270* engine /DCT that intrigues me on the Rebel.

[@AyaWetts]

Probably a lot... I don't know. Its a small feeling bike to most people, but feels great to me, but I am also only 5' tall. My dad calls is "cramped, but mostly ok" and he is 6'1", so you'd probably want to extend the foot pegs as much as you could. The engine and the DCT are amazing though...

[@joeblow5037]

Had a 2003 Shadow Sabre 1100 (the last year...the burgundy one) for 10 years. I would take it over any of these. That thing was the perfect cruiser......but you could have fun on the backroads. It ended up with a Vance and Hines header, and a stainless Supertrapp muffler. sounded like a small block. These things are too comical and complicated. imho

[@rubo1964]

love your bike.Been looking to buy but guys who have them dont want to part with it.Its shame Honda stopped making it instead they make old drum break shadow 750....

[@davidfige7877]

I have a 2022 Nighster, it’s limited to 114 mph. After I changed to a S&S exhaust and Harley Heavy Breather. My dyno was 130 hp and over 135 turq. Once they come out tune. I can blow the doors off with bike now

[@Firestorm637]

Low seats on cruisers compromise everything. I love my Super Duke. You sit way up high in traffic like a SUV. It’s amazing how low slung Harley can be behind a car and you do not see the motorcycle.

[@valienterf]

I have the Honda 1100 Dct, but the other two bikes call me as well, very hard to choose. Great oweson bikes. I fix conform by pitting engine guards with foot pegs, backreat nad 3 inc risers, and no more issue witht the confort.

[@orhancebi5288]

I chose the Indian its the best looking for me

[@rpontonjr]

I agree that it's the best looking, by far. I just couldn't get over the combination of price vs. the Rebel and the terrible suspension on the Scout (which would require another $800+ to fix and might still have too little travel). If I had plenty of money and room for multiple bikes, I'd own a Scout. The Rebel is just better in every other way than looks, at 2/3 the price.

[@orhancebi5288]

@@rpontonjr I am definitely convinced of your arguments that speak for the rebel, however, on closer inspection, the quality of the individual components at Indian seemed to me to be of much higher quality. The Honda is absolutely a strong and very good motorcycle, but for my needs it is clearly the Indian. Best regards from Germany.

[@OGeffects]

The Indian is without a doubt the best looking bike. But I rode one and I couldn’t turn on a red light without scraping pegs. It was disappointing. Also, I don’t get a sports bike because I’m not ready to meet Jesus.

[@filoIII]

Are there buckhorn bars for the Nightster?

[@rendelldolan7444]

This is a very tough one! All are good in a way that I enjoy motorcycles… if I was rich I would buy all three 😂

[@tylermartin6743]

I love my Honda Rebel, except for the seat and the mid controls. After an hour I can barely walk. Swap those out and this things a great bike. Still gonna get an actual bagger tho. They classify this as a "sport cruiser". It definitely leans more towards sport than cruiser in my opinion from riding it.

[@wellsbibo6175]

I want a second, sub 550 lbs bike for zipping around town and running short errands. Help me decide between the HD Sportster S and the BMW R NineT Scrambler. PLEASE!

[@rickbradshaw2148]

So weird that no one ever mentions how hot the Nightster runs… it’s crazy..

[@rickbradshaw2148]

I really don’t get it. They spend 30 minutes comparing 5 degree of lean angle and don’t bother to mention that the Nightster will roast your balls in 80 degree heat. Yeah… I think your audience would much rather know that when comparing versus highlighting what are eyes can clearly see or going on and on about edge use cases that the average rider won’t encounter. News flash, most of us aren’t giants and most of us don’t drag knees around city streets lol

[@bulthaosen1169]

@@rickbradshaw2148 I thought liquid cooling meant it would run cooler?

[@RidingintheOzarks]

I noticed they didn’t seem to experience this issue either, as we discussed I didn’t have it neither did my GF who rode it. I’m thinking this issue doesn’t effect all nightsters. There must be some issues with certain ones, if I was you I would be taking it to the dealer and I wouldn’t stop till they figured it out.

[@jfess1911]

@@bulthaosen1169 It depends somewhat on where the heat is directed, but a big "V" engine on relatively low, small frame means hot engine and exhaust parts are pretty close to the rider. Even V-4's tend to keep their riders toasty. Parallel twins, triples and quads can put more of the hot parts, especially the exhaust pipes, farther away but Harley is associated with big V twins. Could you imagine the uproar if Harley made a parallel twin Sportster!

[@BM-of6dg]

Scout all day.

[@kalathasl]

I rode all the above bikes , ended up bying the honda , great bike with some dressing up it becomes more appeling , being 6,1 i had to install forwards and 12 inch apes to feet my size better .a headlight fairing like the roque and i was done . very happy with my purchase but the other two are great as well

[@wave6413]

Where did you get the mini apes and what needed changing regarding hoses and wiring...???

[@kalathasl]

@wave6413 i had the mini apes (1 nch thick) and modified them myself. The honda has 1 inch clamps and 7/8 bar ends . Rest i also did myself apart the clutch wire that i had made in a local shop.

[@kalathasl]

@wave6413 everything needs extension over a 3 inch rise .not to worry everything is as common as in any other modern bike.

[@patricksandeberg8184]

Why does the right side of the Harley look so much better then the left? The left side looks unfinished. Looks like it’s missing some panels. 🤔

[@bulthaosen1169]

The pipes on the right side

[@patricksandeberg8184]

@@bulthaosen1169 yes the pipes are on the right side. But what I’m commenting on isn’t that. Just look at the different engine sides.

[@mosgor]

Great job guys! Interesting, honest and thorough.The Indian Scout Rogue looks amazing, and with Fox Pre-Loaded Performance Shocks, you increase the height by an inch at the rear. Significant comfort and lean angle gain.

[@jasonp1177]

My first upgrade was Ktech IV's w/ piggy back. Suspension should be first mod with the Indian if anyone buys one.

[@yiannishayabusaofficial]

WOOOOOOOOW AWESOME AMAZING FANTASTIC

[@mistermusik]

For me it would be a commuter. I’ll never take it to a track. Comfort is king. Sat on a couple of Rebels. Don’t care about their performance as my hip flexors started aching in a few minutes! The H-D and the Indian both look more comfortable. But what’s the pricing?

[@Janksmne]

Really great video, can the Nightster have a back seat for a passenger ? I think I am going for the Honda.

[@freebehindbars8654]

Honda’s have a reputation for being reliably boring.

[@Janksmne]

@@freebehindbars8654 what do you mean? They said it was fun

[@freebehindbars8654]

@@Janksmne Honda’s engineer the fun out of them. That’s just my opinion, after riding and owning several. They make a great bike that will last and not give a headache along the way. Just nothing exciting.

[@captainaverage721]

Comes with rear seat and pegs in the UK 🇬🇧 so I'd assume you could spec them in the US

[@AyaWetts]

The Rebel 1100 is anything but boring... I have a blast on it. 14,000+ miles on it and its still fun to ride.

[@Hosunlee89]

When it comes to the best cruiser, it’s 100% the Scout. It looks like what a cruiser should look like, it rides how one should.

[@lestatg8]

Made a decision to get the rebel1100, i can say how really surprised i am with how it performs.. im not tall so the position of the pegs are perfect for me…

[@matthewleising84]

Gonna need another review with the new scout coming out in two days

[@joshuacuellar328]

They could of used the Sporter S platform. That engine looks nice

[@markmcintosh7095]

I read the new Nightster in made in Thailand? Does anyone know for sure where it's made?

[@rossdamerell]

It doesn't matter.

[@simoni.4772]

Nice comparison. For me, Honda is the Winner in terms of sporty riding

[@Wheelo40]

Now, a year later, the word is out. For the Honda: 4” handlebar risers and addressing the cramped foot controls transform it. I was just at the dealer looking at one. Likely next purchase. I’m 5’9” though. I don’t see a tall person being able to modify it enough.

[@ahmedramzy6660]

Iam 187 cm tall , will be the Honda good to me?

[@khakimzhanmiras]

The nightster could make for a great scrambler

[@lonavongthongthip8567]

Got myself an American icon…Harley Davidson Nightster ..LOVE IT!!

[@josutafuji2938]

Scout Rouge 🎉❤

[@a456987]

I would probably go for the Rebel, but with the manual transmission option

[@bryanmathew2079]

Ya I'm Kinda Liking That 1 To, Maybe Try & RAISE the Seat up 3", Thou Somehow, Lol

[@rpontonjr]

I thought that too, but I ended up with the DCT because that was all that was in stock anywhere for 100s of miles around when I was buying. However, I have converted to absolutely loving the DCT. It really works flawlessly and makes riding in the city sooooooo much more relaxing. I would love a foot-shifter for it, though. It would make manual mode a little more fun.

[@AyaWetts]

@@rpontonjr I only ride my DCT in manual mode... Auto mode annoys me too much, but I love manual mode, its so easy and shifts so fast... have you seen any mods for switching it to a foot shifter? I know I saw some foot control mod for a DCT Goldwing before, but nothing for the Rebel, which would be nice, since my left foot is sitting there doing nothing much of anything.

[@AyaWetts]

@@firstbloood1 I think it would be cool if someone made one that could add on, so you can still shift with foot or fingers. I have yet to see one anywhere. We'd probably have to custom make our own if we really wanted one, and not worth that.

[@bryanmathew2079]

Third Time Watching This, & i`~Took ALOT Of Great Informations@ Each Time, Lol.

[@beachdaddy5588]

Great video. I would appreciate it if the tall guy would give the shorter one more room to talk and let him finish.

[@Sahilkumar-ex2pi]

This made my decision so much clearer , got a Harley nightster

[@rickhicks2445]

I have to wonder why all these testing vids use the DCT Honda 1100, why not the manual which would be a fairer comparison!

[@AleksiJoensuu]

I thought this trend started in the 1980s with the likes of the Kawasaki Eliminator ;)

[@maxd3028]

If just the rebel got the look of the Harley it would've been a killer

[@capngeo2002]

Owned many Honda's and Yamaha's. No doubt fine dependable bikes. Definitely naked bike go to. If I want an American Cruiser then I don't want a Japanese Clone. Flat out too ugly. Scout looks great but saying that radiator isn't visually intrusive is ludicrous. Not to mention, on ergo/suspension who buys a cruiser for track days? Harley has something with the new engine and they are fighting for survival. Hope HD has good things yet to come. Chief or R12 NineT.

[@quidestnunc9238]

At no time or place in this video (and others) have I noticed you folks CounterSteering [punctuation is for Emphasis]. What up, Homeys?

[@kennethschauer1801]

I'd love to have an Indian scout

[@RidingintheOzarks]

How can a bike win in the cruiser class that you can’t ride for more than hour without hurting your hips? You both acknowledged that aspect, I don’t disagree with anything you said about these bikes individually, I have ridden all of them. I just think bad ergonomics that prevent riding it all day should have more weight in the decision. I love the power and feel of the nightster but rogue looks better. I would take either over the rebel, no sense having a motorcycle you can’t ride IMO unless you just going to lunch or commuting back and forth to work then there are other utilitarian options that would better choices.

[@spartanx169x]

Some bikes are really not built to ride all day. Baggers are, but none of the 3 in the video are in that category. These bikes IMO appear really to be made for short rides like backroad twisties. Like for me they all would be perfect. After 45 minutes I'm ready to take a short 5 to 10 minute stop.

[@RidingintheOzarks]

@@spartanx169x I get some may not be for all day but 45 minutes is not very long IMO I have rode all 3 and the Rebel had the worse ergos. I immediately noticed the feet positioning to the hips was cramped. It’s a fun bike but the scout was and Nightster were fun and more comfortable to me. I’m 5’9”…

[@AyaWetts]

If you buy any of these and run it stock... that is such a waste. Modify it to fit you. The Rebel can be a small bagger and do touring if you want... it already has cruise control. Mine has hard saddle bags and a sissy bar and I had to move the handlebars some, and add a windshield, etc... and I've done thousand mile trips.

[@j.martin4476]

You do know the pegs and handle bars on the rebel can be changed for different size riders… and adjusted for different styles of riding just like any other bike… 🤦‍♂️ of course you could have done minimal internet research to figure that out for yourself… your welcome. Please learn to chew bubble gum and walk at the same time before you get on a bike for your own safety.

[@RidingintheOzarks]

@@j.martin4476 This review was based on stock setup, what you could do is not relevant to the conversation, almost anything can be done with enough time and resources. They both commented on the discomfort after an hour of riding but choose it anyway. I disagree with what they placed value in on a cruiser review. Now I suggest you shove that bubble gum somewhere, cause if you said some stupid ass comment like that to my face … treat people on the internet like you would in person, learn to have a civil disagreement without personal attacks, this kind of talk is about trying to make yourself sound superior and it is childish. My bet is you wouldn’t say this to a strangers face so why do it on here. And yes I did know they now make forward controls for it but like I said they rode and reviewed stock bikes so not relevant IMO

[@Sr.D]

Regarding looks, the Bonneville Speedmaster beats this three easily. Edit on 9/11/23: Ok, i have test ride the nightster... And fuck this thing it's really impressive to ride and very well built

[@robertbelote5273]

As a long time sportster owner im going to say honda will win this one.

[@mjrussell2372]

Why didnt you discuss technology, ABS, LED lighting, instruments….also no hard specs I lean angle or the quarter mile times

[@AyaWetts]

They needed to have more comments for the algorithm, and leave an opening for a follow up video... helps generate more cash.

[@filoIII]

REALLY need a Rebel w/OUT all the doodads, such as ride modes. Just a bike.

[@den_525]

I'm a new rider and I ride a Rebel 500, for someone who's only been riding for a few months, it's just such an easy bike to ride (which my more experienced friends have also said), it's just a wonderful bike... but unfortunately, the Honda brand is just not desirable in this segment. In a few months, I'll be looking at a new bike, and honestly, Rebel 1100 is nowhere near the top of the list, or actually it's not even on the list, it's just not desirable for me and for many, especially if riding is for fun, weekends etc. The Indian Scout Bobber/Rogue is desirable, with all the flaws, I'd still get that over the Rebel 1100 any day of the week, and Harley (not the nightster), street bob 114, Low Rider S etc. They are desirable bikes, ones I want to buy.

[@babupranav]

Not much chemistry between the two hosts. They (especially Morgan) kept interrupting each other - to the point where it became distracting! Otherwise good comparison.

[@tylerholt1764]

The Indian has the aesthetic. That’s the most important part of this class. Unfortunately none of them really favor tall people.

[@Tkh21209]

Video sponsored by HD....I love my rebel 1100 dct

[@marcoluoma3770]

Interesting. I don’t envy you two this task: talking about the performance of cruisers. If buyers cared about performance, they wouldn’t be buying a cruiser. Just look at the marketing: “heritage” and “history” and “Americana” blah blah blah.

[@hondanut7564]

What is HD doing with that bike , the left sides motor looks unfinished , no wonder they are not selling here

[@AyaWetts]

well, at least it doesn't have a leaf blower stuck on it like the other side... 🤣

[@filoIII]

Wish the Rebel was a belt-drive.

[@k2t210]

The whole video has been one guy interrupting the other. Jeez. You guys should present better

[@FConYT]

Painful to watch - gave up halfway through.

[@andromedach]

The issue with the Revolution Max bikes from Harley is that they only look good one one side. If Indian could sort it all out then Harley has no excuse

[@jesusaarellano7153]

I'm new riders i got the sportster s 22 on the 9/26 /22. For the 4 days I wass happy. After the only problem we the motorcycle I was a owner of a rebel 1100. I I switch to the Harley I think Decision I make I got the engine light on 2 times the motorcycle dies on me on the highway And I engein starting making sparks Everytime I turn it on It's already 2 weeks that my motorcycle is in a dealership

[@spartanx169x]

What was wrong with it?

[@djmartinez1489]

What was the diagnosis? I’ve had a similar problem.

[@johndoe3485]

i will put it this way. Looks in cruisers is EVERYTHING. I dont care if a bike is the fastest in the world, if it looks stupid ugly or even more importantly if the bike makes YOU look stupid and not cool, then the bike is WORTHLESS. So in order of looks. 1. Indian 2. Harley 3. Honda That being said, if you see that order, and if you reversed that order, you would have performance and power. So for power and performance the list would be 1. Honda 2. Harley 3. Indian Finally, for me my personal preference is ergonomics, meaning riding position. To me that tops everything. And sometimes if not most the time riding position is what makes you look cool on a bike versus looking dumb. So riding ergonomics / riding position list goes as follows 1. Indian 2. Harley 3. Honda. I said finally previously, but now my true final finally, which is the logical choice overall. This category means, forget about looks, forget about power, forget about riding position. So the smart overall logical best choice is as follows. 1. Honda 2. Harley 3. Indian. So all this being said, i personally have to end up picking based on logic. So if i had to buy one, i would have to pick the Honda Rebel. Even though its ugly AF, and the Indian is the best looking and best riding position and i want the Indian bad, but i have to put feelings and emotion aside and get the Honda, because logically its the best overall. ✌️

[@Firestorm637]

DCT will get more people on motorcycles

[@nickbazan27]

harley fan here - think id go Indian here. rebel and nightster look so boring and lame looking. i think indian Scout and Challenger are their best bikes. but id take harley's other offerings over indians (road king fat boy heritage etc) except scout and challenger (over road glide or new sportsters)

[@DaemonWulf7]

you'd be surprised how well the Chief rides and handles. she does not act like a bike that big or heavy should.

[@nickbazan27]

@@DaemonWulf7yeah could be handling and suspension wise -i guess i meant asthetics mainly. i just think nightser and rebel are BUTT ugly

[@DaemonWulf7]

@@nickbazan27 i had a Scout Bobber cuz my buddy and i fell in love with it before it even came out. the seat was no good and the rear seat was non-existant (little bit bigger than my hand) so it's not a 2up or long distance bike. if i had bought the standard Scout with better seat options and made it look like a Bobber, i might still have it just for that amazing engine.

[@fatesteyneit2990]

"less connected to the bike" because it is automatic? you worry less about shifting and it makes the ride safer..

[@spartanx169x]

Only if you can trust that the shifting will not unbalance the bike at the wrong time.

[@AyaWetts]

I have over 14,000 miles on my Rebel DCT, and while I love the DCT, I do NOT like automatic mode at all. I have done maybe 100-200 miles in automatic trying to like it, but the manual mode is fantastic. No clutch lever, push button super fast shifting exactly when I tell it to... its fantastic. I have no great love for shifting, before the Rebel I had a Honda PCX 150 CVT for a long time... but the DCT is an actual transmission that is just computer controlled, and it really needs to shift at the right times unless you are riding this thing like its some giant Goldwing.

[@Firestorm637]

Is the Harley worth the extra $3000 over Indian and Honda?

[@MarkPhilly-tp2wq]

Rebel all the way ❤❤

[@abmong]

Indian based their Scout line on their 1941 Indian 841 military bike. It turned a look of heads. So Harley copied the idea and based the Nightster on their 1942 WLA military bike. Not sure what the Honda Rebel is based on since they weren't around in WW2, Rikuo made Japanese military bikes back then, Rikuo is now defunct, sold to Showa, who now makes parts for Harley. They all good looking bikes.

[@Firestorm637]

Harley only looks great on the exhaust side. The other side not finished with too much exposed stuff

[@AyaWetts]

why does it have a leaf blower on it though?

[@taylodl]

Your favorite new-school cruiser is a parallel twin and you didn't even look at the Bonneville? Really?

[@prosperpersonelle]

I'm team Honda all the way ☺️💯🔥

[@jojo00030]

The harley new engine and rebel does not sound like a cruiser i like the sound of the indian

[@spartanx169x]

Have you heard one in person? Sounds nothing like youtube videos.

[@zcmdzpp127]

Who leans on a cruiser? Indian Rouge is sweet..

[@t.s.racing]

If you knew anything about Physics, you would understand that everyone who rides a motorcycle faster than 13-15 m.p.h., THEY LEAN. Just like counter steering, you have to do it above a certain speed, or you CRASH. A motorcycle is essentially a gyroscope, if you don't counter steer, and lean riding above the aforementioned speeds, you will CRASH. Not my opinion, FACT.

[@jfess1911]

People who happen to live in areas with twisty roads. I grew up in the mountains and it was quite an adjustment to adapt to a motorcycle that couldn't tolerate a large lean angle.

[@zcmdzpp127]

@@jfess1911 Cruiser have so much steering angle? On a sports bike, you can barely turn so you mostly lean…

[@jfess1911]

@@zcmdzpp127 I always road naked or "standards" which had plenty of steering angle. Higher lean angle just allow you to take corners faster before something drags. It allows higher g-forces and some of us like that sensation. It is just a personal preference thing. For me, the leaning and side-to-side transitions are more fun than cruising in a straight line. You don't even need to be going fast if the corners are tight enough. Heck, even a neighborhood with a few cul-de-sacs can be entertaining. Some touring baggers have a decent lean angle, but most cruisers do not since being being low is part of the styling. It is just a different preference.

[@jfess1911]

@@zcmdzpp127 I just remembered that Yamaha recently did a "release" of the latest version of the MT-10 in my old stomping grounds. If you want to see the kind of roads that required so much lean angle, you can look at the videos from several magazines on KZbin. They came out around August 15 this summer.

[@mirkocometti8452]

Tra queste 3 moto, di sicuro ad occhi chiusi... Indian...

[@kmann0317]

Why does the performance seem so piss poor when compared to the twins made by Ducati and KTM?

[@theguitarhero898]

Different class, different use.

[@robbyclark6915]

I’ve asked that same question. They are all known for their v-twin engines yet somehow the Europeans succeed at making actual power from their engines while Harley has to ditch the gas tank for a massive “air box” just to get 90 horses! WTF Harley? I guess that’s where decades of experience over a first timer comes into play? They make Harley look like a noob.

[@jfess1911]

It mainly has to do with moving the torque curve down to get more power at lower engine speeds. For example, Aprilia did this to a lesser extent with the 660 engine which produces a claimed 100 hp (89hp at rear wheel) in the RS660 and only a claimed 80hp (68hp rear wheel) in the Tuareg. Cruiser engines are even more extreme examples of this. Many cruiser riders want high torque immediately off idle and that dramatically reduces top end power.

[@robbyclark6915]

The pan America and the sportster S seem to be some genuine “go fast” bikes so maybe Harley is on the right track here with that 1250 engine, but I don’t want anything to do with the little 975 version.

[@jfess1911]

@@robbyclark6915 Adding variable valve timing certainly helps them get more top end power while maintaining a good low end with the 1250. I honestly don't know what to make of the 975, though. From what I read, it is a simpler variant of the 1250 engine (variable intake only) that has a reduced bore and stroke. The removal of the variable exhaust valve parts reduces cost a little, but the smaller bore and stroke is mainly for marketing. They wanted a "smaller" motor, but I wonder if it is pretty much the same physical size and weight as the 1250?

[@pierrerumenigaychery7479]

Harley BIAS - lol

[@hmat7472]

Honda rebel 1100 dct or not the winner

[@paulwieder2739]

"retro Tradition" hmmm you mean when you buy the bike and then have to throw half of it away and put decent parts on it. oh sorry, they are very open to customisation.