2024 Toyota Venza / Lesson Learned

The Toyota Venza has failed to fulfill the vision toyota was hoping for in the US…again. Now in its last model year, it still has much to offer. Does that mean it's better than the new Crown Signia? Let's find out! Currently available direct competitors include a wide variety of vehicles from the Subaru Outback and Mazda CX-50 to the Honda Passport and Jeep Grand Cherokee.
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[@toddcrockett5957]

The “24 Venza is a gem. The ride is wonderful and the power is very adequate. The cargo area is smaller than most in the class but with only 2 of us it is sufficient. Absolutely love this crossover on the road. Highly recommended.

[@austincrowmusic2378]

This Venza is the best car Toyota ever produced. Its essentially a Lexus with Toyota logos.

[@tbecon]

Very few people ever tow anything and not everyone needs a large vehicle. They are replacing a pleasantly sized car with another significantly larger car for a position for which the regular highlander already fills. This car has all the space a couple would need, not everyone needs a bus or a moving van. The capacitive button are a small price to pay (they work just fine) for a nice package that normal single people or couples without children can appreciate. It is comfortable and easy to drive and handle with just enough height to provide good visibility and is efficient all the while. The crown signia will be $45+ and will probably get worse gas mileage, likely mid 30's = bigger, costlier and less efficient, what a deal and that station wagon look is oh so appealing, maybe they will bring back the woody look from the 70's wagons.

[@johnszczerba9979]

I see that as a negative in reviews...it's funny since most people never tow anything in their life even once.

[@tahoekayaker]

We bought a 2024 Limited in white over boulder gray interior. The Venza has 3 electric motors; two up front, and one rear. The build quality is as good as my RX450h. The Venza is made in Japan, my RX was made in Canada. We love the Venza!

[@journeyman291]

You might be mistaken. By toyotas website, the interior comes in 3 colors. Black, black and Java, and finally boulder

[@tahoekayaker]

@@journeyman291 We now own the car, and the interior is a beautiful light gray. That gray is called “Boulder.” Don’t trust the website. The exterior is Wind Chill Pearl. Great color combination.

[@genzigzag]

Your review and the 'Car Care Nut' review got me interested in the Venza. We're currently trying to find an LE trim for my Father inlaw, his trusty 2004 Seinna has seen better days, the grand kids are all grown and he doesn't need a vehicle that large any longer. The Lexus build quality and efficiency of the Venza can't be beat.

[@LivingInAnInverseReality]

You can buy mine

[@eeldude]

I just upgraded my 79 yo Mom to a 24 XLE and she loves it. Only regret is not going to the Limited for the 360 view cam.

[@DesertDweller22]

I have a 2023 Venza XLE. I had to travel out of state to buy this model exactly one year ago. It's a great car. However, having said that, Toyota marketing is puzzling. They have been largely unavailable at the dealerships since Gen 2 was released in 2021. Buyers were tracking the import/port entry dates and contacting dealers across the country to get their name on a reservation list with a (usual) $500 - $1000 deposit fee. This set off a bidders' war and led to inflated prices and the imposition of options that were not tailor-made to the prospective buyer. Once Toyota hyped the demand...they decided to kill this model, and substitute in the Crown. IMHO...the Venza is a much more attractive and desirable choice, and I would gladly buy this car again today.

[@Babu-of2xh]

i have 2023 toyota venza limited, i love it more n more, Thanks for the Video

[@JohnThomWebb]

Great video with some unique takes and information that I haven't seen considered in videos from other car journalists.

[@johnszczerba9979]

I was in one today. Its very upscale looking inside and quiet

[@OkinawaAdventure-un8om]

I have a 2021 Venza Limited with only 2,500 miles on it. It's a certified used one that was previously a loaner car for Toyota employees. I have 0 complaints about this vehicle! It's Lexus luxury like features and lower price point were the reason we purchased one. We are Toyota brand loyal! We have a 2011 4Runner and a 2012 Scion TC. My son's drive 1999 & 2000 4runners that are still going strong with over 200K! The reason we purchased the Venza was we wanted midsize crossover without the 3rd row seats which are usually cramped anyway. We no longer have small children and this is great for us as we look to retire soon! I still think the Venza is a much more luxurious looking vehicle that does not look like a soccer Mom's SUV! Good luck Toyota with the Insignia...it's kind of pricey...putting it close to an entry level Lexus!

[@stacy695]

How do you think the road noise is?

[@OkinawaAdventure-un8om]

Mine came with Bridgestones, which are noisy on grooved/concrete roads. Otherwise, super quiet on asphalt!@@stacy695

[@OkinawaAdventure-un8om]

Mine came with Bridgestone tires. They are known to be hard and noisy. Except for concrete/grooved roads, it is very quiet (especially on asphalt!@@stacy695

[@beeslandscaping]

I have 2 2023 best value amazing ride

[@janinedion5047]

I absolutely love my 2021 Venza.

[@dave4708]

Just bought a Venza limited, came with the star gaze. Got a great price, really nice SUV.

[@JNB-bl4to]

How much did you pay for OTD?

[@dave4708]

@@JNB-bl4to Sticker price was 49000, I paid 44000 but my Venza is a 2023 demonstrator with 4400 miles. OTD was about 47000.

[@ojinchung]

@@dave4708 Congrats on the price!

[@LivingInAnInverseReality]

When you fill it up, how far to empty? How many miles?

[@dave4708]

@@LivingInAnInverseReality About 460 miles, 14 gal tank. It gets 41 mpg average.

[@ashleylitebrite6971]

Great review. This is a great option!

[@jeffreyerickson6766]

Great job Tyler

[@tbecon]

The signia is another large "midsize" vehicle that I bet get worse gas mileage. Too big. Some of us don't want a large SUV and find the venza to be just the right size. This is a car for couples or seniors, its comfortable and efficient. easy to drive and easy to live with on a daily basis. not everyone needs a bus or a box van. I like the elegant looks and easy to maneuver size. Its handsome!

[@davidmorrison5200]

I have a 2015 Venza AWD - Silver in and out; a trouble-free vehicle so far with 150K.

[@kapaluatime]

So sorry that Toyota discontinued Venza. I love the Venza and was hoping to purchase the 2024. It really is a Lexus, similar to the NX 350 h. They never promoted Venza, you never saw an ad with the Venza featured. We purchased the 2009 Venza new. The best car we ever had and we have had many. It is still going strong and still looks good and it is a 15 year old car. The new Lexus NX is basically a Venza with a little more hp and a much higher price tag by thousands. The 2024 Venza was a really good deal for the money. Thanks for your video.

[@kapaluatime]

I am Kapaluatime, left a comment 1 month ago. My husband and myself bought the 2024 Venza Limited. Pushed us to purchase when the Venza was discontinued. The replacement is the Crown Signia, which to me looks like a station wagon plus costlier than the Venza. The Lexus 350H, again more money when you add up all the options the Venza has on it. Very happy with the purchase. Stylish looking car with all the options and great mileage.

[@johnszczerba9979]

Funny you mentioned this...I never heard of it til today. Went car shopping and saw it at a Toyota dealership thinking wtf is this? I assumed it was a year 1 car

[@surfmore6077]

Excellent review! I have been following the Venza for a while. But I ended up buying a Subaru Forester Touring. I like the seating position of the Subaru but I’m having trouble getting comfortable in the driver seat.

[@austincrowmusic2378]

I've never felt a vehicle more comfy than the new Venza.

[@johnbrews9724]

I drive a Venza 2022 limited. Review here applies for the most part. Smooth ride, good pick up, braking and switching from regenerative to mechanical is unnoticeable. Likewise for shifting from ICE to electric. Great mileage . Some complaints: road noise, head bumps getting in and out, lousy navigation system ( maybe improved in newer models. I’d guess Toyota was not really interested in selling the Venza: huge delivery delays, test drives impossible to get, dealer markups. Now that the Venza is over, clearance operations have returned some normalcy, until death.

[@marianchapla-breault4198]

How late into 2024 can i wait to order the Venza LE version?

[@jameswalsh6131]

Great review Tyler! Honestly I had forgotten about the Venza from the first gen but this is a very nice looking and equipped ride and one that I would continue the next time I am looking to buy. Thanks and hoping that you are doing great!

[@keitha.9788]

Nearly all of the current Venza's have a black interior... Very difficult to find one with the Boulder Grey interior. Also Toyota did a terrible job marketing the Venza - the current version and the older version....

[@user-oy4cz9uo3n]

Signia does not come with a HUD or power tilt and telescoping wheel that my 2022 Venza Limited has, for what I assume will be a substantial price increase. If it had those things, I would buy one as I like the looks of the new Crown

[@alengreen589]

I think that the Venza will be a good buy as a used car. Thanks 😀

[@user-handlethetruth]

During the tail end of Covid, I looked at a used Venza and was astonished to find it was selling for more than it's original MSRP. I was dumbfounded, but impressed with the "lifetime" materials within the vehicle. I never would have considered purchasing the vehicle because of the compromises of rear cargo space, but I was also put off by the price of a vehicle with 43K miles. Oh, someone purchased that Venza that same day, by the way, while I was listening to the explanation of a 1 year wait time for a Sienna. Times are different, but the value of a Toyota has really been discovered by the masses.

[@alengreen589]

@@user-handlethetruth thanks for the Info.

[@austincrowmusic2378]

@@user-handlethetruth yes, I found my 2023 Nightshade with 12k miles for a steal, I could flip it and make a few grand tbh. Even while I was buying it people kept asking to look at it and drive it. They cant keep Venzas on the lot!

[@MrMuchachos75]

@@austincrowmusic2378. Dont think so Your not making any money on any used car, particularly those with hybrid battery pack

[@tigerskone2945]

Expect knowone trades them in until batteries need replaced then it's not a smart purchase.

[@austincrowmusic2378]

"Poor knee room." Bro must be over 7 ft. tall LOL

[@Realistick]

Width is the issue, not height. The console is extremely wide so if you’re tall or wide, it’s a small but noteworthy nuisance.

[@austincrowmusic2378]

@@Realistick okay that makes sense I could see width being an issue. I’m just a tiny person so I couldn’t comprehend that at first I was like “what I can swim in here.” 😂😭

[@markcoopers1930]

I saw the new one next to a prior generation (2010 ish) in traffic and it seemed to tower over both me and the old one. And it seemed huge from the rear. But apparently it's

[@Realistick]

The old one had a super smooth shape, I feel like that can make the new one look comparatively imposing!

[@austincrowmusic2378]

the first gen and this Venza are two different vehicles. Toyota views this Venza as a whole other vehicle.

[@jmclivaudais3291]

I wonder how frequently people actually use the upper back corner of their vehicle for hauling cargo. If you really need to fill your car to the brim on a regular occasion, you're probably looking at something larger than the RAV4 or Venza anyway. Personally I cannot get past the looks of the RAV4. It's trying to look like a 4Runner but is not really an off-roader. The Venza always made more sense to me. But then I'm an old dude with a Tundra for towing and cargo hauling :)

[@alsheremeta]

Not very often that you need that upper back area for cargo, but it may be the difference of getting that dishwasher or hot water tank to fit. I've hauled things with my 2007 Legacy wagon that I'm sure would not fit with the sloped rear of the Venza.

[@Rew123]

They're hard to find...how can Toyota evaluate sales numbers?

[@journeyman291]

Wonder what toyata did to the drive train, being its the same engine, ecvt that allows that higher hp and towing capacity. Has to be bigger brakes too.

[@Realistick]

Sometimes, it's just additional transmission cooling! I'll ask toyota about it if I get the chance.

[@labradachig1976]

Great review, short but concise. Yes, it's a niche vehicle. But I would argue its real competitor is CX-5. Not as comfortable or efficient but it costs way less when you factor in all the add-on fees they charge for a new Venza.

[@tigerskone2945]

Cx5 is so cheap made. Everything in rattles around 10k miles. It's so noisy inside.

[@Raec123]

But it’s not a hybrid

[@johnszczerba9979]

Cx5 isn't a hybrid so not even a real comparison

[@bjsimon802]

Toyota needed time to build the signia, it was great they brought the Venza as it was. The Rav4 is not meant to be luxury , so venza filled that role for time being.

[@austincrowmusic2378]

The Signia is so gross looking tho :/ The Crown is so cute but for some reason the Crown Signia looks like it came from 2006 😭 they really need to keep this new Venza its the best car Toyota has made yet.

[@bjsimon802]

@@austincrowmusic2378 There is more people want bigger size models with luxury, new venza was too small

[@austincrowmusic2378]

@@bjsimon802 I get that but bigger means more $ and any more money on the car and the payment would be over $1,000. Thats rent lmao. well it's half rent in my area but still lmao.

[@bjsimon802]

@@austincrowmusic2378 nothing is cheap anymore worldwide, artificial inflation by government that against car ownership. WEF does not want you to own a car and house, really bad times for freedom. I think the old pricing for cars will never come back, because the corruption and cost of goods is higher. People are fighting worldwide these days for inflation, and nothing wiill change unless these people are voted out.

[@austincrowmusic2378]

@@bjsimon802 It will change soon, as the Awakening has only sped up with the introduction of ETs and UFO/UAPs into mainstream consciousness.

[@damilolaakanni]

It would be nice to do a review of a first generation Venza, and try to find out why those didn't sell well compared to other 2 row midsized SUVs at the time.

[@Realistick]

I'll add it to the list!

[@thebeetalls]

The old Venza was a station wagon, not an SUV.

[@damilolaakanni]

@thebeetalls I guess many are confused as to what it actually is. I saw this on Wikipedia concerning the Venza: "Toyota states the Venza blends the "styling and comfort of a passenger car with the flexibility of a sport utility vehicle". According to Toyota, Venza is neither a station wagon nor SUV, rather it is targeted at customers who want more room and flexibility than the Camry sedan but desire a smaller size than the Highlander, a three-row mid-size crossover SUV. United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) classified the Venza as a sport utility vehicle."

[@austincrowmusic2378]

the old Venza is a different car, Toyota doesnt associate the two they just reused the name.

[@MrPchubare]

What sales drop is he talking about. I had to wait for a 1.5 years to get mine. Basically, this is arguably the best bargain out there. This car is just perfect! Also, according to the Car Care Nut review of the new hybrid 5th generation, current 4th generation (Venza) is probably the most reliable and the better engineered one. 5th generation adds complexity and has questionable long term reliability. I would grab 2024 Venza if you are looking for a perfect SUV that you will keep for many years to come.

[@bLuDrGn2011]

The Harrier shouldn't have been advertised as the Venza successor with a debunked nameplate. It should have kept the Harrier nameplate and promoted it as a luxury alternative to the Rav4. The Harrier was a completely different car from the first Venza and had nothing to do with the first Venza in terms of linage.

[@ozyvillanueva9277]

The thing is in America Harrier sounds like a fuzzy car or something weird like that, so that’s why the name changed.

[@bLuDrGn2011]

@@ozyvillanueva9277 It's more like Toyota didn't have a trademark on Harrier in NA.

[@drewholzinger4267]

This one is made in Japan, Rav4 and LexusRX are made in USA/Canada. If that matters to you.

[@antoniocognato5023]

My rav4 is made in Japan. Certain lexus models are Japan made. Alot of new rav4s are Japan made. 2024 model mine is

[@drewholzinger4267]

Hybrid? I think Toyota hybrids come out of japan and gas models might not. @@antoniocognato5023

[@vlj1133]

Love that you mention the bit about Toyota's e-CVT having nothing to do with a conventional CVT. Other than maybe The Car Care Nut, you're just about the only reviewer to make that very important distinction. Otherwise, you hit the nail on the head. The Venza is perfectly good, but the upcoming Crown Signia has the Venza covered in virtually every aspect except for price.

[@LivingInAnInverseReality]

Price is a huge aspect and a huge increase

[@mikefrank6162]

Signia - Terrible wagon-like Subaru… I don’t want that! I’ll take the niche!

[@Darthvolvo]

I honestly forgot the Venza was even around after the first generation.

[@Realistick]

That's fair, I feel like it's flown under the radar for a Toyota

[@splatbubble]

2:31 good. :)

[@minnybiker4505]

I was driving a Prius... Wanted a RAV4 Prime. Realized I couldn't afford one. Then the Venza came out, and I was very interested! No towing capacity... and felt a little small inside. Hmmm. Ended up buying a Subaru Outback. It's excellent! However, the Crown Signia is very intriguing! Although, I probably can't afford it.

[@cos6617]

I’m fuming since this Lexus Nx is not available in Europe.Shame

[@HabibiClubs]

good Car

[@Doc1855]

A couple of years ago when I was looking for a new car, I was going to buy the Venza but it’s not available with Brown or Tan leather interior

[@kaizhu8337]

If you want a Toyota Venza, get it now, 2024 is the last model year for Venza. It will be replaced by the 2025 Toyota Crown Signia.

[@30dgal]

I really wanted this car, but I it has the issue I have been having with all current toyotas, hybrids in particular. The gas pedal is hard to press. The older toyotas don't drive like this, neither does honda. I can't seem to find too much talk about this online. Is there a fix for this? I also tried it in sport mode and it felt the same.

[@bho6486]

The funny thing about the new Signia coming is it has wagon like proportions and reminds me of the first gen Venza in photos. Exactly what US buyers didn't like about the first gen Venza. Hmmm. The first gen Venza was actually a big hit in Canada. You still see tons of them driving around. I think the 2nd gen Venza (aka Toyota Harrier) didn't get advertised enough (at all?) and people saw it as an expensive RAV4. Which it kind of is. But when you go back to all the rave reviews when it came out in 2020/21, reviewers praised it all around, it's Lexus like ride and quality interior, it's looks. We (a couple) travel for 4 months of the year (about 5,000 km/ 3,000 miles) and the interior has always provided enough space for us. We have a 2021 Limited and love it. We are averaging 5.74 l/100 km (41 mpg) after 2.5 years and we are ecstatic about that. Sad to see the Venza leave. I now look and think it was a stop gap vehicle (rebadging a Toyota Harrier) until the Crown Signia was ready to be released. And seeing that the Crown sedan starts at around $55k CDN, the Crown Signia SUV is most definitely going to be quite expensive compared to the Venza (which starts at $46k CDN), when it comes out.

[@Flying-Fox-of-Snowy-Mountain]

Drivers side door armrest too low for my left arm to rest. The RAV4 and Corolla Cross are good for arm though. I thought I liked it initially but that's my beef and it's high price.

[@johnbrews9724]

The Crown “replaces” the Avalon. So far just an oversized sedan. Car Care Nut has a detailed review.

[@Realistick]

The Crown Signia is a different car from the Crown sedan.

[@Flying-Fox-of-Snowy-Mountain]

Toyota Canada website for my province is showing most vehicles as having limited stock. Wtf just start shutting down the dealership if you can't sell cars to ppl that need them in a months time. Honda I see has so many vehicles to sell on their lots. Salemens can't even bring home food to their families. The U.S. is taking all of our inventory looks like.

[@Unchainedmaple888]

Toyota should've replaced the Venza with the drop dead gorgeous Crown Sport instead of the Signia. Absolute Toyota L

[@naveenthemachine]

It’s Toyota. They always screw up everything 😂

[@Realistick]

Completely agree, I hope we get that one at some point. I think their hopes were that people would actually buy the most versatile crown. So hopefully this will get the sales volume to justify bringing that one over too!

[@jphourcheu]

I agree, I love crown sport. Heck I even love the sedan. However, I wish we can accommodate both markets for signia and sport. I understand the needed to fill portfolios by checking things off the box.

[@ohcanadaeh]

Toyota does not want the Crown Sport to compete with the Lexus NX hybrid which is what the Venza is doing now. The Insignia is not a replacement for the Venza. It is a wagon rather than a true SUV or CUV. Insignia is a Outback like wagon. Toyota will stop selling the Venza in North America, but they will continue to build the Harrier in Japan for the domestic as well as overseas markets. As a matter of fact, Toyota is building a PHEV Harrier in addition to the hybrid version.

[@lionintu]

No

[@joelgarcia3907]

I didn't think this was a quiet car at all. In fact, the RAV which is normally super loud, was quieter than this "Lexus like" car. The Car Care Nut also said it was a very loud cabin from what I remember. I ended up with a lexus due to the sound issues on the RAV and Venza. Now the Crown Sedan is premium, super low APR due to low sales I am assume, and quiet in the cabin. The Highlander is also quiet. Wish the Venza and RAV had that quality.

[@NV-xd5ui]

Venza is the only nice looking toyota's SUV, crown signia is back to being boring

[@styledliving]

the crown gets decidedly worse gas mileage and a large increase in cost. 36mpg vs the venza's 39 combined and likely to breach the 50k mark. if people really wanted to tow or have more space, they'd go for the sienna or grand highlander with the hybrid max option. the crown doesn't make sense since people can easily switch up to an RX or NX on the lexus side if luxury was all they wanted. toyota made a bad call, they should've sold the harrier phev here instead of wasting money to develop a new model. a minor controls update would've solved any major issues that people had w/ the venza, and maybe make the rear flat w/ the seats down.

[@janc.8197]

The Crown Signia in no way takes the place of the Venza. It is NINE inches longer! The Crown Signia will be competing with Highlander and Sienna buyers, not the people buying the Venza. Toyota never promoted the first or second generation Venza. I am still driving my 2013 and it has been the best, most reliable car we have ever had.

[@Realistick]

The Signia is more of a traditional wagon, still, I didn't realize the difference was 9 inches! That's a ton, though I doubt it will eat into Sienna and Highlander customers. After seeing it in person, it's very much a direct subaru Outback competitor.

[@rcjunior888]

Toyota made 2 Big L’s with the 2nd Gen Venza. 1. The Designs. I don’t think it’s ugly. But just odd looking at what it first started. A Midsize RX Toyota. Now it’s a Compact NX Toyota. Size downgrade. 2. Why Replace it? Just make another Year 3rd Gen with the Crown Signia Chassis.

[@u.b.505]

I got rid of my venza after 2 years. That wind noise is so bad that you don't want to drive it on the highway

[@HungHoang-ot1gf]

I’m sorry to hear that my friend. My 2024 Venza is very quiet.😢

[@MrMuchachos75]

This thing is so loud u need ear plugs Tire and road noise is super loud, not to mention the droney high rpm noise when u need power

[@mattwilson174]

They didn’t market it very well. I only know about the venza because I’m a dork who watches car videos and saw one on the showroom floor while waiting for service. It’s kinda ugly and generic, but I have seen comments from those that bought one that they love it

[@escheidl]

I think the Venza's failure was mostly due to the sloped rear roof, and the somewhat mousey looking front end and smallish looking wheels/tires didn't help either. Originally, I was happy to hear when the Venza was coming back because I thought it would be roomier, quieter, and more luxurious than the RAV4. But then when I realized that the cargo area was actually less useful than the RAV4 due to it's sloped roof, I lost interest. The quiet and comfort part wasn't enough to hold me. A word about the hybrid battery. You mentioned that they typically last around 12-15 years. While that is correct, those batteries are the old NiMH batteries that have been replaced in the last 4 or so years with the Li-Ion batteries. Historically speaking, from my personal experience with the two chemistries, Li-Ion batteries far outlast NiMH batteries by a pretty fair amount. (Think power tools, cell phones, laptops, etc.) So while only time will tell, I'm thinking a Li-Ion equipped hybrid battery will last a good 5+ years longer than it's NiMH counterpart. That's why "I" put my money into a hybrid with a Li-Ion battery instead. I'm hoping for 20+ years out of it. Time will tell though.

[@austincrowmusic2378]

The Crown Signia is so ugly its so sad :/ Why does the new car look like its from 2006 lmao

[@ajshah2748]

you speak +ve and -ve in same sentence or breadth. Hard to follow.

[@anthonyng3014]

7.5s 0-60, "AWD" that puts 24% of the car's power to the rear wheels, 0 towing capability meaning insufficiently robust transmission. Sure, you get nice gas mileage, but as mentioned in this video, $4k after 12 years to change the battery means most of your savings goes straight back to the dealership. At this price point, plenty of other cars with a nice interior: basically all Mazdas, Subaru Limited+ trims, Hyundai, etc. etc. It's no wonder this car's getting the axe next year.

[@mduarte1972]

are you reviewing he venxa or the crown...stick to the topic

[@Realistick]

One is replacing the other, the topic of this video is that Toyota seems to have learned lessons from the Venza and applied them to the Crown Signia that replaces it.

[@ivandoneshefsky4762]

I have a 21 Venza Limited, fully loaded and have owned Lexus. You have to live with this car to qualify for an observation. Bottom line, Venza doesn’t come close to a Lexus. It’s an expensive appliance. Looking to dump my Venza.

[@happykt]

I never like the back end of this car.

[@markallen2984]

I can’t really relate to an automotive reviewer who thinks that headlights, a power liftgate, and proximity unlock are extremely important features….

[@geyser3445]

Very true.

[@Realistick]

I don’t remember saying “extremely”😂 but yes, they are some key features that people look for when they spend $36k on a crossover. Try to look at a car with the intended crowd in mind. Not everyone is looking for a utilitarian truck or simple sports car where it’s better to offer less.

[@DanPocketRocket]

Just buy a used Lexus RX350 pre 23, you'll be happier and peeps will compliment your car

[@vadskar64]

This Rx is not even close in efficiency and technology

[@matthewraden5210]

I get compliments on my Venza all the time.

[@naveenthemachine]

The newest venza is a complete mess The crown signia is also a mess. Because the crown sedan we got is an abomination. The signia is also a mess.

[@Realistick]

Okay, the crown sedan is a confusing car but the Venza (and Crown Signia) don’t deserve the slander! Since when was an efficient, pleasant riding, reasonably priced car with a reliable powertrain, considered a mess? I get it doesn’t have versatility to rival a rav4 and the wide center tunnel invades your knee room but virtually every car has some drawbacks.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@Realistick the new venza wasn’t even a midsize. It was unnecessary. The older venza though is way better This new one has less space than a RAV4. If you wanted a luxury rav4 that’s literally the NX The crown signia is also facing a similar issue. The crown name is supposed to be premium like the crown RWD sedan we don’t get. But using the crown name on a fwd stretched rav4 is just not right

[@Realistick]

I hear that and most agree, It was at odds with the NX, I think they were hoping the price difference would separate the two more but the NX is definitely better for the luxury minded. Honestly, a RAV4 hybrid that’s comparably equipped, doesn’t cost much less than the Venza, so I see it as a nice alternative for people that want something of a similar size that’s more premium than practical. The Signia’s more wagon like shape might fix the Lexus NX and RAV4 cannibalism going on so Im more optimistic there!

[@LivingInAnInverseReality]

I have a Venza. I wanna sell it and get a truck

[@greasyhitchball]

Why is it a mess?

[@Rew123]

I looked into the Venza but the lights mounted very low on the back seemed dangerous, and the afterthought of a start button was actually a dealbreaker for me.