2024 Triumph Scrambler 1200 X | Subtract 17 & Add 1

[@pbofan]

Very glad I grabbed an ‘23 XC a few months ago at a leftover discount, after seeing this discount X version was coming in.

[@logangodofcandy]

Triumph still has like a 0% apr in the US on 23 XC and xe models. Great deal, tbh.

[@chrisdagnall8666]

I think they have done a good job re specing this bike Ohlins and Brembo are over the top for this type if bike, i dont think it misses them at all. The lower seat and also reworked engine have put this on my list. Tried it at my local dealer and thought it was great.

[@wltrlg]

Good review and love Triumph as a brand. Kinda sucks that we still pay more than 17k in NL on this “budget model” not quite value for money 😢

[@gheorghevlad3889]

I do not think is too much of a problem to pay 17K for a motorcycle in the EU. Europe is rich and has the highest standards of living in the world.

[@atomicgrasshopper4391]

17k in NL? How, Why? In Romania we need to pay 13.790 for the X and 15.290 for the XE. Also, I heard that in the Netherlands Harley Davidson are quite expensive in comparison with other EU countries. Are there extra taxes that you guys need to pay for a product, out the door?

[@wltrlg]

@@atomicgrasshopper4391 correct, its due to additional taxes on vehicles

[@gheorghevlad3889]

@@wltrlg I think prices to everything are a lot lower in Romania than in UE. Romania is a very poor country.

[@atomicgrasshopper4391]

@@gheorghevlad3889 A product's value is set by the company's recommended price, not by the local economy and the buying power. It does not matter if product is sold in the US, China South Sudan or a very very very poor country such as Romania. On the other hand,a local gov. can set aditional taxes and fees , that is why I was asking. But thanks for the superiority complex!

[@malikknows3510]

I thought they also deleted cruise control on the X. This is a big deal to me. Key also, is the lowered seat height. Cost cutting for a cheaper version I understand. But many of us with lower inseam want cruise and other features. We'd just like a lowered seat. I agree that the changes do not seem worth the lower price, at least to me. All the best.

[@Cibotx]

Thank you for the review. I think on top of the savings compared to the 23 model, there is also an additional benefit from not having the usual price increase across model years so this should also be considered. It would be great to see a direct comparison with the Brixton Cromwell 1200 X 🙏

[@hardyanchor2807]

As always, good review, only a few niggels over all. But your alternative bike, the 1200 XE, for most of us shorties no choice. Feet on the ground is what makes you feel save on every bike. For me a avaridge biker with 174 cm of travel the best choice ever. Loads of bad roads is what we've got in Germany, small with none or few traffic, say hallo to dear and fox, through woods, fields and little villages, thats what the X is made for! Good sound without bothering the neigbours and no loud burbleing when taking away the gas or ride downhill as my 2019 Speed Twin does. Upright looking into friendly faces, smile as long as we can enjoy this beautifull, dying world.

[@gerryryan2302]

Seems to me they made about 2k-3k in cost cutting and only took 1k of the retail price , and then make out they are doing you a favour !! I’m not sure but it looks like the switchgear is not backlit either .

[@chrishart8548]

It's shocking. Brembo for Nissan. Tft for Lcd ohlins fully adjustable for marazoki non adjustable. 47mm to 45mm forks and they both lost a litre of fuel. On paper it looks awful.

[@Adventure_blac]

@@chrishart8548yeah its ridiculous. Dropped the price a bit 1150 but took 2-3k of in parts. Coulda dropped the suspension and kept the adjustability. Also dropped some of the aluminum parts for plastic. Reviewers just skip over it at best or say it’s better for because of the price drop and gloss over the loss in parts as if 2 piston axial brakes work as good as 4 piston monoblocs

[@Adventure_blac]

Here’s a lot less bike for a lil less money

[@chrishart8548]

@@Adventure_blac those front calipers are shocking. Look like something from a kids toy.

[@phils2180]

@@chrishart8548........ Until you ride it! On paper means f**k all.

[@UncleWally3]

Triumph addressed a personal quibble for me, the tank on the Scramblers doesn’t have the ugly pinch-weld! Rather than looking like a cheap tin toy, they’re cleanly and beautifully sculpted. Why Triumph doesn’t do the same on their other “classic /retro” models is baffling.

[@ferociousfrankie]

I agree with you.

[@larryvanputten4048]

True and righteous comment, Scott! Thanks for that, as always!

[@mikefrancais]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard a motorcycle review that praised the rear brakes!

[@NothingToProve]

It's a fetish of mine...😊🤣

[@phils2180]

Too many people criticising the loss of two "premium" badges. No Ohlins and no Brembo, so what? The X is heavily targeted at road use, almost a 1200 Street Scrambler if you like. I test-road one and yes, I did TEST the brakes and they were fine. Compared to the Street Scrambler the ride is better with more suspension travel and 21" front wheel but doesn't have the same off road specs as the XE. I'm not that bothered about off road riding, well actually I am but have a "proper" off road bike for that at some 100kg less than an XE so the X ticks boxes for me. I've never owned a bike with CC so don't miss it and it's certainly not a deal make/breaker. The naff bit of the bike for me is the LCD/TFT instrumentation and that goes for the XC/XE too. Retro styles bikes should have retro styled clocks IMO but I guess it does mean they can cram a lot of info into a digital dash.I think the X also has some enhanced ABS/TC/Riding modes over the old models, something else I'm not that bothered about personally but they're there.

[@kannermw]

Not my kind of bike. However, when you place aesthetics above other key motorcycle metrics and not willing to pay an extra $1700 USD on an already mid-priced bike in excess of $14K after taxes is a major head scratcher. This kind of motorcycle is a luxury good not low cost transportation. Most important things on any motorcycle are: performance (engine and braking), ergonomics, comfort, handling/suspension. Adjustable suspension and premium braking should be mandatory expectation on any motorcycle over $12K. Why buy 1200cc bike without cruise control? Such a bike is built for open road and if you never had cruise on a bike then you have no idea the value it brings on those longer rides. Similarly a 500 lb plus scrambler for offroad is an oxymoron. In this example it appears riders just want the looks but use only onroad. Whaaat? Truth of matter many riders and more Europeans are getting priced out of market not just by price alone but VAT and other arbitrary sin taxes like carbon tax. Keep voting for more of the same and it will only get better.😂😂😂

[@phils2180]

@@kannermw "Riders just want the look but only use on road". Well of course, why not? It's no different to people buying off road capable 4x4 SUV's and never going out of town. Many riders buy top end sports bikes, so close to full on race bikes these days, with no intention of taking them to a track . Having the use of a lightweight enduro bike I would never take any of the Triumph Scramblers off road, well possibly a very tame green lane or two. They're just too nice to trash in the rough stuff for one thing and as you say, way too heavy. I've bought mine as a general runaround as I also have a better road bike for long distance stuff. As I've said in a previous post, it comes down to personal taste and what you want the bike for. If I could only run one bike I'm not really sure what that would be, maybe none of those I currently own.

[@sp33d35]

I agree on the brakes, the Xs are adequate but nothing like the stoppers on my '23 speed twin. I'd say the forks are a lot more forgiving on gnarly roads than the speedtwins. You missed one pretty expensive add on Triumph made to the X for 2024. The X is the first time you get the IMU/cornering ABS and traction control on a non-XE model. A useful plus if the bike will spend a lot of time in leaf litter and horsepoop covered back roads where it excels. Triumph could have saved a lot of confusion/angst by calling the X simply "Street Scrambler 1200". That's doesn't devalue the 1200x, I loved my street scram 900 but always wished it had 'more' to give. This is the natural upgrade bike for those riders.

[@NothingToProve]

Yep, I'm human, oh and I see that you are too. You probably didn't read the title of the video 😁🤣

[@sp33d35]

@@NothingToProve Lol sorry. If you had added some traffic signals in the title picture I would have been blocked.

[@phils2180]

Thats where I was, the owner of a Street Scrambler and loved the bike but often thought a 1200 version would be my ideal. Enter the 1200 X which is a close as you'll get to a 1200 Street Scrambler off the showroom floor.

[@jonr1122]

A lot of folks here forgetting the fact that the ￡800 difference is between a 2023 bike and a 2024 bike. Inflation people. The true difference in cost is over ￡1500. Which is best is a personal choice. For me a 820mm seat, IMU, a clock I prefer, and ￡1,500 saving. I will go for the X.

[@michaelroc4079]

Inflation affects all bikes, not just the new ones - The release of the X has driven the resale value of the XC up here

[@tibork3845]

Oh man, I rode a naked bike for 10 years, no more naked bikes for me. I ride a BMW sport touring bike with full cover now, what a difference! Great review though, the Triumphs are great bikes but I would get a windshield for it at minimum.

[@jimgordon3468]

Fun fact, if you put the scrambler 400 next to the 1200, they are almost identical in size. I did that at my local triumph dealer in PA. There's no need to purchase a 1200. Unless you live on the Autobahn 😉

[@Fernando90054]

I think that Triumph modified this specific X model, to distinguish or to give the bike a more pronounced road character and to leave the off road path for the XE version. I think it’s a smart move by their side. But with no cruise control, they’re in fact saying that you mustn’t go on traveling or doing big rides with it. And at the same time, this turns the XE model more desirable 😉

[@stanleylawson9015]

great review as always

[@michaelroc4079]

Just Checked bikesales Australia, a New 2024 Scrambler X will cost 13,800 US A New 2023 Scrambler XC will cost 17,000 US

[@fauveride]

So that X is positioned kinda like a scramblery look of a T120 I think.. I was an euro 5 XE owner, my only concern was that upper mount exhaust. That was hot and too stick out for stand up riding

[@robertbelasco3859]

I traded a 900 speed twin for this 1200x and regretted it. I found the engine to be bland. With the 21 inch front wheel the steering is slow and understeering. The forks struggled to cope the brutal road surface in Pennylvania. I think the Aprilia 660 Tuareg is far superior.

[@WyreForestBiker]

You seem to be comparing bikes that are totally different machines built for different purposes ?

[@sattvicvelo3506]

Try the tiger 900 rally pro - amazing engine and good fun

[@phils2180]

Slower steering with a 21" front wheel? Who'd have thought that!😂 Remember the first Fireblades with the 16" front wheel and how quick the steering was compared to the litre plus offerings with 17" wheels at the time. It's physics mate.

[@marius.ardereanu]

the trend of classics is coming back

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I think they added the six axis IMU to this model which the XC didn’t have. That is a reasonably expensive option.

[@ilikelampshades6]

Huge cost savings to produce but only extremely modest price reduction for customers. I was expecting more like £10,000 or another £2000 ish off the price

[@robertyork4041]

Can hear the 'abuse' by the suspension in your voice. I understand Triumph's desire to decrease cost and make the bike more accessible...but I think they've messed up by compromising so much.

[@G3A3]

seems like a step backwards, but i'm not in the market for this kind of bike so what would I know😉

[@JohannesSebastian]

Great review

[@weqsas]

this bike is massive

[@bradchll]

I have scrambler and why can’t all Triumphs , as supposed premium fit and finish brand , how can they not see, it buggers up a perfect tank shape. My 78 Bonnie is also hidden seam.

[@efish8147]

Lots of heat complaints with this shotgun exhaust, not sure I would buy any bike with the shotgun ???

[@michaelmcghee6518]

Didn't you test the bmw 900 gs adventure

[@splodge57]

Give me last years bike and I'd happily pay the £800 extra.

[@richardcasey7521]

Are they the same price?

[@xpllmmff]

Obviously, Triumph is trying to adopt the "iPhone" pricing model, using the basic X model as way of “Price Anchoring”. By establishing a price point of this impractical parts changes, which customers can refer to when making decisions, Triumph are trying to persuade customers into getting a more "valuable" XE model even though it is $1k more. Think about standard iPhone and iPhone pro just for reference.

[@BUGBYTE_]

I think they should lower the price of the x even more. The xc is a lot more premium. For that price they should have at least kept the tft

[@aldeen1982]

The x was made for profit reasons only. Or in other ways: the changes were made to make more profit. Its technically cheaper than the xc but the parts are a lot cheaper than what you save. So it’s just profit for the company. That’s it.

[@michaelroc4079]

Why would customers ask Triumph to gut a fantastic bike?

[@logangodofcandy]

The X is a pavement bike. The XC is an all road bike. The XE is a fully optimized off-road bike. If you like going only on flat road surfaces, the X is good. If you are going on anything that isn't a road, you get one of the others.

[@user-hf8ie8mf3n]

Ok, just the opening was priceless. Fun. 👍🤪🏳️‍🌈

[@bradchll]

Black plastic fenders front and rear as apposed to aluminum. Please don’t say weight savings, cuz let’s face it, Triumph just being cheap. Non backlit buttons like on XC. Too many quality items deleted to justify price discount. Buy a left over 23 if possible

[@Runner862]

I Understand the downgrade in breaks and mazochhis. But, about 0.1% of the driver really adjust the suspension, so

[@craigjohnson6597]

You get such a better bike with the XE for not much more coin. The only reason to buy this bike is the seat height difference.

[@tomislavtomljanovic9793]

Why is you voice so shakey when you ride it?

[@Adventure_blac]

Also no cruise control

[@kevincraig8257]

this is how the bike should have been all along there was not much difference between the xc and the xe model now there is did many people by the xc model over the xe before 1000 or so cheaper Ive been watching these models for years xc or xe now there is a real choice

[@chrishart8548]

Non adjustable short travel suspension and Nissan brakes. Vs the old XE with fully adjustable ohlins 47mm with long travel and Brembo M50's

[@michaelroc4079]

You bought the XE if you were above average in height. You bought the XC if you were below average in height - Just because your shorter you have your bike gutted

[@kennedyracing7527]

They’re making everything in Thailand so it’s easier to make it cheaper and increase profits

[@Fatcatztravel1250]

Cost cutting might be a mistake. Old bike was better!

[@paulh7798]

Dropped $3000 parts to make it $1000 cheaper. Makes sense for the manufacturer I suppose. Hardly any better than an RE but significantly more expensive. Pass.

[@22Royston]

Wow that was once of the bounciest vids I think you have produced - is there any meaningful damping on that bike?

[@NothingToProve]

Ah, I see you got the point 😒 Nope, nothing, not even on the street, that is why I said "I would NOT buy this bike."

[@chrishart8548]

The intro just shows how they have downgraded everything for the worse.

[@logangodofcandy]

They made it a road bike. People bought the XE like 3 to 1 over the XC because it was THE off-road bike. The XC was just the intelligent bike for people who drove off road, but aren't competing or doing anything hardcore. So, not many people bought it. It was a big capable bike and if anybkdy wanted that, they got the XE. The X is specifically if you want a street dedicated bike with scrambler style. It's like a superior scrambler 900.

[@changliu7346]

Not like they’re charging more for less tho

[@stephenchapman8344]

Doesn’t make sense to me. 👍

[@NothingToProve]

Yea, me neither but Triumph is makin' a killin' on the profit margin of this bike 😒

[@robertkeoghane2554]

Way over priced, wait for the Royal Enfield

[@joekavalauskas8767]

First!