2025 Toyota Land Cruiser | Is It What People Wanted?

[@lucagattoni-celli1377]

Having the integrity not to release something early is admirable. I really did not learn much from the initial wave of videos.

[@jsandy44]

That’s what separates Savagegeese. They are true auto reviewers and not influencers

[@gbfan1234567]

Whole lot of technical talk with no real world experiences yet... Savage strikes again!

[@preoksaha4504]

Big facts

[@victortran8540]

That’s because more than half of the channels are shills for the manufacturers since their access depends on it

[@phaylanx5]

I’d like to see the video released fully unhinged at how stupid the launch format was with that savage geese comedy. But it’s probably too detrimental to the relationship with Toyota.

[@uncalm]

All I'm saying is, I'll pay money to see you off-road that Murano Cross Cabriolet

[@cbotten106]

Even at 2 mph that would be entertaining.

[@BTC909]

Take the Murano (if allowed) to the same course.

[@busterscrugs]

wouldn't wanna hurt the resale value on that bad boy!

[@miles_smiles]

😂

[@scott8919]

You'd be shocked where the regular Muranos have gone off road.

[@gettcouped]

Thank you very much for holding off on this review. It makes so much more sense rather then some cookie cutter ‘review’ on the rails that toyota tried to put you on.

[@DB-sd3cw]

Unreal d riding

[@AdminAbuse]

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[@Spartan168]

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[@7Roxer]

Cant compliment anyone nowadays ​@@Spartan168

[@maga5381]

Thank you for being honest with your audience. It is refreshing and one reason I watch your videos.

[@J-Bibble]

$83,200 for the base model in Canada (including taxes). $107,400 for the First Edition. Insane.

[@desertblade1874]

The logical step is to buy them used after several years

[@kevinstarski1598]

@@desertblade1874 are you aware of prices of used toyotas?

[@Tom-hf9cc]

What's insane? The currency conversion rate? Because that's the only thing driving the difference that you're pointing out. CAD/USD = 0.74 as of your comment.

[@desertblade1874]

@@kevinstarski1598 I'm very aware, personally I don't buy Toyotas new or old because of the obscene prices they command in comparison to other japanese vehicles.. Nissan, Honda and Mazda have many solid vehicles if you do your research and avoid their cvt offers

[@bradcomis1066]

Don't you just wish it was more expensive though? It could be more premium that way. Premium consumers are the only consumers in 2024 afterall....imagine if wages kept up with inflation! We're all getting ripped off by our ever growing overlord cohort in the multimillionaire class.

[@M1911jln]

I replaced my 2013 Land Cruiser this summer. I put money down to get on the GX 550 waitlist at a local dealer. I didn’t even bother getting on a list for the new Land Cruiser because dealers wanted $10k over MSRP. When news came out about the engine failures for the twin-turbo V6, I bailed on the GX and instead bought a low mileage 2020 LX 570.

[@justinmcroberts4633]

I own a 2013 with 205k miles on it. Love it. The LX570 is great, I just dont care for air ride suspension.

[@mofayer]

Smart move. In 6 years your LX will only be 10yrs old and hopefully the ttv6 will be ironed and polished out by then.

[@M1911jln]

@@justinmcroberts4633 I prefer the AHC over the suspension on my 2013. The AHC suspension controls body movement significantly better while still offering a good ride. The big concern will be cost of maintenance down the road. Also, the AHC suspension isn't actually an air suspension -- it is hydraulic.

[@Slythey]

LX570 is the way to go. Did you notice that the GX550 has no physical HVAC controls other than temperature, compared to the Landcruiser that has all physical controls? I couldn't bring myself to get the GX and have everything cost-cut walled behind a touchscreen. This is tolerable on a work of art like the LC500 but not a run of the mill SUV- no way.

[@M1911jln]

@@mofayer What sealed the deal was that the V6 requires premium, whereas the old 5.7 does fine on regular. While the V6 gets significantly better fuel economy, once you figure in the cost for premium, it's a wash. I'm sure Toyota will solve the V6 issues, but I didn't want to deal with it and the dealer couldn't tell me when I would get my GX. The LX infotainment sucks in comparison, but it is a really nice vehicle to drive.

[@ConsumerTechReview]

By far the best review I’ve seen of the new Land Cruiser! Amazing job guys!

[@7728abbott]

Always truthful. That's why we subscribe.

[@AD-lf9ck]

Wow, I'm delighted to see another boxy 50k suv. Now, I can climb the curbs at the mall, the hardware store, and drive in confidence on 3 stories parking garage. I don't want to climb f**g base camp. People are struggling. Many people can't afford basics. Yet car companies can't make decently equipped cars around 20k. Pathetic

[@heiner71]

And you can easily survive the three potholes on your way to Starbucks.

[@MistrBiggles]

u can also drive it to ur moms house

[@fortheloveofnoise]

I drive a stock 1998 5 speed manual Nissan Sentra and I have actually taken it off road and it handled it like a champ.

[@angelgjr1999]

@@fortheloveofnoiseSame with my 2003 Mustang GT. LS differential helps 😂. I guarantee our old cars see more off road than any of these soccer mom cars.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@angelgjr1999 Sure, let’s see your Mustang follow a dual locked LC down a trail. 😂

[@Pmckean4115]

I have had a 1986 FJ60 for 25 years. Bought a 1958 6 weeks ago and I love it. Managed to skip the $10k dealer fee. For me, I was looking for a super solid, simple LC styled rig that will last 25 years with consistent care. My needs are to just get through some deep snow on the mountain and a few bumpy fire roads on route to MTB trails.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@Pmckean4115 That’s cool. I had a 60 and a 62, now I drive a 2021 200. People don’t realize those cars aren’t coming back. It’s common among enthusiast cars. Glad you like your 1958.

[@Isovapor]

Turbo 4 cylinders will last 12 years at best if you only drive on the highway. Seems like you drank the Toyota kool aid. Cheers!

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

@@Isovapor 1987 called and wants its level of automotive knowledge back. Properly designed turbo engines easily last the life of the vehicle these days. No need to be an uninformed scared dinosaur.

[@Isovapor]

@@thatoneotherotherguy everyone knows that turbos decrease the life of all engines including those built in 2024. Why does this fact confuse you? Cheers!

[@Isovapor]

@@Pmckean4115 should have bought an AWD Corolla and saved $35,000. The Corolla is full of cheap cloth and plastics. It also has a 4 cylinder engine. Wish I saw this post earlier. I could have saved you mega money. Cheers!

[@MaddNomad1015]

Throttle House did a cool video basically showcasing the LC taking a beating. Got smashed up, was leaking but still drove around without overheating. That eased some things for me. This is awesome because you get the technical end of it.

[@MaddNomad1015]

@@AngryWalter one is Canadian the other is British?

[@bw-mx1dy]

@@AngryWalter Thomas was driving and he's Canadian...

[@richardnavratil9661]

Yea they specifically said they're not going to the launch event and just took it for a trip. Surprised Toyota let them do it. They did it with the Prius too

[@zarbon700]

Engineered and built in Japan.

[@roywhiteo5]

They crashed it because they were driving too fast in the dunes

[@Min4Mass]

My buddy just drove one down to Florida. 18-19 mpgs the whole way. No noticeable improvement over the GX460 platform that he had prior.

[@sammyjammy6647]

Yeah, I believe the only difference is emission regulations

[@john2g1]

I think the difference also shows up with really low speed /high torque as well as very high speeds.

[@2laidragon]

I think 18mpg kind of acceptable in this day and age. I remember 16 years ago, my late coworker mentioned that cars and trucks should be at least 30 mpg.

[@john2g1]

@@2laidragon did you mean to type unacceptable? I think this is especially true if the engine is rated for premium only.

[@seinundzeiten]

yes the GX460 was the pinnacle of perfection

[@LLG47]

58k is still crazy though, A lot of people really like this new generation while a lot of people are mourning the loss of the last generation of Toyota trucks. Last generation was a lot cheaper, and now everything is immensely expensive. I would take two miles per gallon less and guaranteed reliability for a lot less money.

[@M1911jln]

The last generation of the Land Cruiser cost about $85k.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

LLG47, “Last generation was a lot cheaper.” 😂😂😂😂

[@sotheasun]

“Last generation was a lot cheaper.” 😂

[@KNRS927]

Last generation wasn’t cheaper, but that was an actual Land Cruiser while this is basically just a Land Cruiser Prado that they’re branding as Land Cruiser. Also, I think folks felt even if that cost more, it’d last longer so you basically made back your money somewhat in resale value and reliability. Meanwhile, Toyota trucks so far haven’t had the best reliability.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@KNRS927 I guess you’re another one of those who doesn’t understand what a “Prado” is. The Prado IS a Land Cruiser 150/250. It was given several different names all over the globe and it’s one of the best off-road ever made.

[@dannoyes4493]

The first nickel-hydride battery was found in ancient Summerian ruins. Well Done.

[@DougMacniven]

LOL! Gotta love a sense of humor!

[@stevestrand4819]

'Did you launch it?' is the auto review equivalent of 'is it in yet?' in bed.

[@JollyGiant19]

And even more funny, the old V8 2UZ-FE puts out less!

[@trahar6257]

I can’t stop picturing it as a dodge nitro now

[@NOXStellans]

The Nitro's looks weren't its issue. Had it performed, this observation may have even been taken as a compliment by some.

[@princesses2909]

That’s an insult to the Nitro.

[@SimonGonzalOS]

Nitro looks ugly. Like a Matchbox compared to a hot wheels. Everyone wanted a hot wheels version of a car

[@john2g1]

​@@SimonGonzalOS a lot of people appreciated Matchbox cars being more realistic with functional doors.

[@kikster304]

The rear end looks like one of those small shitty land rovers

[@afb2]

You guys are seriously the best man. Transparent, you tell it how it is. This is why I value your channel and opinions so much.

[@thegodfreyspecial423]

It appears to me that all auto manufacturers have flipped the script on off-road oriented offerings: they used to be cheap because they were basic and got the job done for exactly the reasons one doesn't take their Mercedes offroad. Now any 4x4 costs more than a solid AWD CUV, are only moderately better offroad, will be expensive as hell to maintain and fix. Lets face it: these are built for upper-middle class income earners, not the middle classers that once coveted such basic machinery.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

Yep, they will barely see off road use, meanwhile I took my 98 5 speed manual Sentra off roading once through mountains and it handed even washed out areas...and it is stock

[@danielrogers4072]

Land Cruiser has always been an expensive SUV compared to competitors. Looking at the old ones compared to modern models, they may look bare bones, but don’t mistake that for bare bones at the time they were new. My family had a US version FJ60 (1984) and it was considered very nice compared to Ram Charger, Suburbans, GMC Jimmys , Isuzu Troopers, and very comparable to the Wagoneer. 1984 sticker price was about $15k, which translates to nearly $50k in 2024 dollars. Add 40 yrs of us regulations and requirements, today’s price is just about the same.

[@TassieLorenzo]

@@danielrogers4072 Exactly. Even the 70 series Land Cruiser, which is basically an updated 40 year old car, retails for $75,600 to $87,600 AUD (51,700 to 60,000 USD) in Australia. Toyota 4-wheel-drives command a premium both new and used -- why, because they can. They are entitled to make a profit -- people can buy a cheaper used Land Rover Discovery if they want (there are good reasons that Land Rovers depreciate a lot more than Toyota 4x4s)! Sadly the V8 turbo diesel version of the latest facelift 70 series was only offered for 2023 but has now been discontinued due to emissions. Only the inline-four turbo diesel is available now. Such is progress.🥲

[@daniels2761]

I agree with a lot of your points, but AWD CUVs are not "decent" at anything. On paper, sure, but they don't have the suspension travel to handle much, they generally handle worse, ride worse, and get worse fuel economy than a sedan or wagon. I'd personally rather cough up the dough for a base LC or a used GX than be stuck in a CUV.

[@john2g1]

​@@danielrogers4072 I think your assessment is a bit more accurate. I'm not accusing the OP of being untruthful, but I think this Land Cruiser (and others like it) has stayed at the same price/value. However, the wages of what is considered the middle class have dropped significantly when all things are adjusted for inflation.

[@mattspeer01]

"Is It What People Wanted?" Nobody wanted to pay $60K (before markups) for a base model with manual adjustment seats. What a joke.

[@willneverstop]

I work at a Toyota store. No one is charging mark ups on the base model. The higher trim models are always sold out. Order for one is about 3 months. It’s not over priced. If it were they would be sitting on the lot

[@Yoyomanmanholla]

No one cares that is manual seats.. the fact that the base model lacks off road features - MTM, sway disconnect, is the real tragedy… terrible packaging in this base model

[@mattspeer01]

@@willneverstop there are a lot of dumb people in the world. And your anecdote about not having markups at your dealer doesn’t apply to the entire country. Seen the markups with my own eyes.

[@NOXStellans]

@@willneverstop You are as trustworthy as any car salesman; vomiting easily falsifiable hallucinations. I have nothing but scorn for my local Toyota dealer with its $20k markups. I feel the same way towards them (and you) as one feels toward a vending machine after it has eaten their last dollar and left them cotton-mouthed on a hot August day.

[@cithr0963]

​@@NOXStellansBy god, you have a way with words! I do agree though that his reasoning is not... convincing. Iphones are roo overpriced for what they offer and yet people irl and social praise them as the ultimate phone.

[@b5thomas7]

2.4L 4-cylinder in a vehicle this large is hard to believe

[@mediocreman2]

They're not that large, but they are heavy.

[@lethalee]

Why? It has more power in most guises than the 1GR V6 it replaces and the previous 150 series LandCruiser was offered with the 2TR 2.7L naturally aspirated inline 4 with max power 120kw / 245nm torque. Why you say "oh no 2.4L 4 cylinder" when the previous model also had 4 cylinder options...?? Every vehicle is downsizing engines and turbo charging - M3 went v8 to a turbo six.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

@@b5thomas7 it makes more torque than the old 5.7L V8 did. That’s why ever single reviewer has called these things torquey, punchy, quick, words like that.

[@rickper]

@@thatoneotherotherguythat one thing out of all the reviews I’ve never heard one say it didn’t have enough power, eskers price I don’t tho know I’ve really seen a negative review on this vehicle, besides all the weekend warriors that like to talk crap in the comment section.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

@@rickper the people chirping from the bench about cylinder counts aren’t the intended audience of this vehicle. The people who ACTUALLY BUY NEW VEHICLES are. And they’re loving their trucks. Hard to hate V8 torque with 4cyl fuel economy.

[@scott8919]

Even if the hybrid system isn't exactly tuned for fuel economy... a four cylinder hybrid should get better mileage than that IMO.

[@JohnSmith-wx9wj]

Get a 4 cylinder with v6 or even small v8 mileage!

[@lasticonoclast]

Yep. My 2010 V6 powered Odyssey gets about the same mileage. Not what I would call progress.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

@@JohnSmith-wx9wj what V8 4x4 is getting 23mpg in city stop/go driving? Late V8 Sequoias were doing like 13.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

@@lasticonoclast your Odyssey does not have full-time 4WD, a brick shape, nor anywhere near 465 lb ft of torque.

[@lasticonoclast]

@@thatoneotherotherguy You’re missing my point. Toyota could have easily equipped a vehicle as heavy as the new LC with a V6 and achieved the same real world mileage. Instead, they wanted to keep the 6 cylinder exclusively for the GX, thereby cheapening what could have been a truly awesome offering.

[@bphillipsaz]

Mine is a hit for me. Like it so much that I keep watching videos about it while it’s in the garage. Good review. Thanks.

[@METamez]

Same here - love my new LC so much, that I found every excuse to replace our second car with another new LC. I now have a round headlight and square headlight version in the garage, and keep going there in the middle of the night to make sure Im not dreaming, and keep trying to decide which one I like more that very second. I love what you do for me, Toyota!

[@bphillipsaz]

@@METamez square lights all the way but also why not both 😉

[@rickper]

@@bphillipsazI have round FE!

[@Paulfromwish]

I mean to be fair this is one of 3 landcruisers, the 76, this one (prado) and then the LC300, the vechike this replaced was insanely dated and everyone asked for a mini lc300 for prado price so this fits in the lineup perfectly

[@MaddNomad1015]

Yup, for us a Prado is paying more of a homage to the ORIGINAL LCs while still maintaining features from the Wagon Series.

[@mediocreman2]

Yeah, the problem was the V8's just got too expensive. This was supposed to be a cheaper alternative, but it ends up being not as big of a difference in price as they wanted.

[@Paulfromwish]

@@mediocreman2the base model V8 is some 30-40k AUD more expensive then the top trim of this model

[@OtheGOD189]

Charging $70,000 for a 4 cylinder Suv with a cute face and nice speakers is Crazy.

[@davidmitch]

I just purchased the Land Cruiser 1958 and love it! It's hands-down the best value in the Land Cruiser/GX lineup. The fuel economy is fantastic; I'm getting 25 mpg on the highway and 22 combined, a huge improvement from my old vehicle's 14 mpg. Upgrading from a 2012 Tacoma, the 1958 Land Cruiser feels luxurious. Even the screen size, which I initially thought would be too small, is fine. I also prefer the cloth seats over the leather or pleather options. And the hard plastics with the Land Cruiser logo are great!

[@senseicorey9979]

These look pretty good in person.

[@WhiteMouse77]

...s!mp uses to advocate oversized implants he paid her for....😁

[@ruleslawyer]

This car looks like it *should* cost like $35-40k inside and out. A solid 'meh' in design. Its not even like they put all the money into the drive train.

[@TassieLorenzo]

Cheaper alternative 4-wheel-drives are available...

[@ruleslawyer]

@@TassieLorenzo Yup, and it looks like a cheaper alternative, not a $59k-77k suv.

[@punishthemeatpocket]

The bean counters are running Toyota now​@@ruleslawyer

[@ShadowBend]

For me a pre-owned GX460 just made so much sense when looking for something comfortable that could handle some light duty off roading. The potential additional fuel economy of the LC would be nice, but the additional cost means any savings on fuel don't mean much.

[@veryrare7647]

gx470=light duty? where do live, MARS?

[@jeririce4928]

all the new ones are ass, you chose correctly

[@kamalhooda7199]

I bought 2023 Honda Pilot after watching your review video and that was best decision i ever made. God Bless you guys for honest reviews

[@nathanaelbennett8286]

100%. Feels like the 2025 Passport refresh has a chance to bury the Land Cruiser. Give me that V6 and basically refresh the interior, and keep it at 45k and you have a done deal. The Land Cruiser /looks/ really good but honestly there is such a huge price premium and headache for the hybridization. I wish they released the base model with the 2.4 or v6 at a reduced cost. Its clear that so much of the cost is with the iForce Max, and so now you have people paying $60k for cloth manual seats. Pilot at top trim is essentially 10k less than the base LC with tech comparable to its top trim. I don't think Toyota knows who this LC is for. You used to be able to get a poverty spec Prado for $50k not too long ago. New LC isn't pure enough for the real offroaders, and it isn't economical enough for everyone else. It's this weird kinda-luxury SUV that has good road manners but an insane sticker price and barebones tech (at the lower trims at least). The third row cupholders on the two-row variants is the cherry on top.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@nathanaelbennett8286Really? Where in the U.S. could you get a new Prado “not too long ago?”

[@Que67kdro90]

@@nathanaelbennett8286you are the usual subpar honda fan who likes average products. This Landcruiser ain’t for you.

[@eljeff1111]

@@Que67kdro90Thank you Toyota Brand Ambassador BB2001hjk. I hear they sing your praises over in glorious Nippon

[@Que67kdro90]

@@eljeff1111 no Jeep man! Jeep Cherokee destroys Honda. But everyone knows Toyota also kills Honda. You are welcome!

[@michaelnoah3795]

Savagegeese. Car Care Nut, and Throttlehouse are the only 3 car review channels I watch now. The ONLY channels that are willing to criticize and actually take time to review the cars without being afraid to anger some manufacturer and lose early access to press cars in the future. Massive respect!

[@vjmtz]

Car care nut is the best though honestly. You can't beat a mechanic approach to car reviews now a days honestly. Now that cars cost as much as houses and requires dealership lock-ins

[@deus216]

car care nut is the best!

[@vjmtz]

@@deus216 definitely 👍. I mean sure, savage geese and others will go over how are car feels. But to be honest, 90% of people won’t notice much unless you’re doing back to back comparisons and most are buying cars for commuting as a daily driver, and their choices are due to budget. Maintenance, reliability, and what determines that and their costs of ownership is the main thing everyone cares about. AMD does his best to answer that concern. No one else does or can

[@foxlake6750]

Josh’s Cars of Japan did a pretty good review, not as favourable as these guys.

[@FallenArtemie]

What's great is that the base model actually looks better and still has pretty much everything you need. Stepping up the trim levels just gets you the finer details but nothing you couldn't be without.

[@canto_v12]

People gotta remember that when the 200 LC ended production, its starting price was $87k. Yes it’s not a 300 LC but it’s very close in size and capabilities, and priced $30k lower. This is an excellent choice for American consumers and if you want to save another $10k, you can get a 4Runner. For the die-hards with money, you can still have the 300 LC in the form of the LX600.

[@joeheitz1833]

I've had mine for about 2 months and I can say hands down it's the best vehicle I've ever owned. The engine is what I was 'nervous' about and it turns out it's what I literally like the very most about the car. It's amazing.

[@mediocreman2]

That isn't a very good reference point for us though. Maybe you've only owned one other vehicle and it was a Hyundai.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@mediocreman2 How do you know what this guy has owned?

[@squidikka]

@@NomenClature-o8s He doesn't. He's making the point that the comment made is such a nothing burger comment that it doesn't really give any point of reference to what makes him like the vehicle or any reasons as to why. Hope this explanation on basic elementary level reasoning helped you out. Stay safe out there.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@squidikka The OG commenter literally owns this vehicle. Do YOU own one? I’d say he has a far better point of reference than you or the snarky second commenter.

[@squidikka]

@@NomenClature-o8s Neither of us claimed to own the vehicle though, which is kinda the point. If you have the capability to recognize snark, please try to actually argue the point. Here, let me help you out. Try and follow along. Little Timmy just bought his first burrito at taco bell. Tommy never had taco bell. Tommy wants to know what's so great about taco bell? "I like it because I like it" says Timmy. Iit's the best burrito I've had." Tommy sighs. He doesn't know what this even means, because this is Timmy's first burrito from taco bell and Timmy doesn't elaborate on why. Hope this helps. Remember to wear a helmet.

[@billiondollardan]

This is why Savagegeese is at the very top end of automotive KZbin. Thanks, boys!

[@vinhngo1894]

I think people frequently overlook how much money and time Toyota spent on the T24A-FTS. It is really strong mechanically, while balancing electronics and hydraulics. For example, it maintains a vacuum-controlled waste gate, and the valvetrain is still oil-controlled.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

Unfortunately, too many non-buyers chirping from the bench can't do anything but count cylinders. They should try counting torque, this engine has more torque (and lower down in RPM) than the 5.7L V8 in the last LC did.

[@Anomize23]

@@thatoneotherotherguy those Non buyers are current Toyota owners and know the quality value is not there anymore. I love, Toyota but I’m going to be realistic, It’s a slightly lifted 4 cylinder econ vehicle. It’s literally the quality of my old scion box😂

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

@@Anomize23 nah. Plenty of buyers are still there. They don't need the sales of people that can only think as far as a cylinder count and base fears on that. Tacoma sales are back where they were before the generation changeover slowed them down, and the Land Cruiser 250 is selling quite well. Nobody is forcing you to buy it, but don't act like half their customers won't tolerate it.

[@veryrare7647]

neat. a 20 year old 2uz delivers everything you need without all the trickery.

[@Anomize23]

@@thatoneotherotherguy Tolerate getting less for their money is what it is🤷‍♂️

[@za4117]

What's crazy is that dealers are selling this for prices close to what the outgoing 200 series stickered for. Keep in mind that Toyota sells the 300 series overseas with cloth seats and triple lockers for the equivalent of 65-70K as a base "VX" trim. But Toyota product planners and marketing thought the only way to sell the full size LC here for 20 years was as the top trim "VXR" that's a lexus equivalent. The 250 prado is still an LC but dealers trying to sell these for 10-15K markups is just asinine. Makes no sense when you get the GX for the same price and not have to deal with the rifraf of a Toyota's salesmen

[@sammyjammy6647]

I’m not sure where you live, but I can find land cruisers here in Southern California for no mark ups at multiple dealerships. As a matter of fact, I could probably buy one for 10% off msrp

[@nathanaelbennett8286]

You can buy a fleet of poverty spec 10 year old Prados for $10-15k a pop with 150k miles and get a combined 1 million miles on them for the price of a new poverty spec LC. The iforce max engine is killing the price tag

[@AlphaOmega333]

@@nathanaelbennett8286have you looked into importing an LC? It isn’t this cheap at all.

[@M1911jln]

@@sammyjammy6647here in the Boston area I spoke with 4 Toyota dealers and they all wanted $10k over MSRP.

[@sammyjammy6647]

@@M1911jln I would wait it out because there’s no way I would spend a penny over MSRP much less MSRP in of itself

[@mattdesmondwashere]

We drove several new Land Cruisers and not buying it came down to what you get for the money. Even the 1958 was going to be $60k. That's a hard pill to swallow when you compare with basically any other comparably priced SUV. I wanted the 1958 because it's clearly a simplified enthusiast model ready for modding, and heck yea it has great cloth seats. We also weren't convinced about the long term reliability of the drivetrain yet. Every one we drove was super clunky coming to a stop when the hybrid system was doing it's thing. On the highway there was a lot of road noise from the near vertical windscreen. I read in the forums lots of people reporting lower MPG than expected. Why bother with a hybrid if it still gets 20 mpg with way more mechanical complexity? The appeal of a Land Cruiser to me is something that looks good long term and also is durable long term. Driving this back to back with a 4runner TRD Pro, the LC is way more refined for on road driving. We stayed with our 2 year old Honda Passport Trailsport that has way better on road dynamics, simple NA V6 that is ancient and reliable as heck, and a much more reasonable price. And yes, we can still get to campsites and trailheads that we would have used the LC for, no problem.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

Just curious, what other comparably priced SUV gives you locking center and rear differentials, Toyota Crawl Control and 465 ft lbs of torque? And yes your Passport is a great suv.

[@mediocreman2]

Logical thought process. Unfortunately purchasing this Prado is an emotional decision, not a logical one.

[@mattdesmondwashere]

@@NomenClature-o8s We had a 4th gen 4runner before with locking diffs ($10k vehicle). Newer 4runners for $20k less than the LC, Jeep Wrangler, Broncos, Etc. Locking diffs are something that 1% of people might use on these. In order to get the body on frame and locking diffs, the ride suffers for mall crawling. Locking diffs were not even on our list of must haves. It's an expensive vehicle. Toyota has lost their way on affordable and dependable vehicles on these i-force max vehicles.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@mattdesmondwashere Once again: Just curious, what other comparably priced SUV gives you locking center and rear differentials, Toyota Crawl Control and 465 ft lbs of torque?

[@TassieLorenzo]

@@mediocreman2 "Unfortunately purchasing this Prado is an emotional decision, not a logical one." I don't know, Toyota sells a *huge* amount of Prados (and regular Land Cruisers) to mining fleets in Australia. That's a purely rational corporate fleet sale. Many mining fleets have tried vehicles like the Mercedes G-Wagen in the past but the downtime for repairs was too much.

[@bryy2053]

I've seen 2 of these in the wild and thought to myself, "did you REALLY HONESTLY ask for it?" In most cases it's the opposite of what people want under this brand and model name.

[@cpftank09]

I’m still not sure about all of the TNGA-F offerings. It seems like each one has their issues, setbacks and insanely high price tags. It just seems like they tried to release too many completely new vehicles and powertrains at the same time.

[@lucagattoni-celli1377]

I did not understand why this exists in tandem with the 4Runner until I saw how incredibly cool it looks. They have two strong brands, might as well cash in on both.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

This is more for bragging rights and 4 Runner is more for actually using off road.

[@GG-wj9in]

It does look cool af

[@lucagattoni-celli1377]

@@GG-wj9in frfr

[@anthonygianfrancesco6548]

Mark and Jack dont fuck around in their reviews. I love it

[@bradallard1542]

The BEST automotive review channel period. Love your guys content

[@ATLOffroad]

This is a great, honest review. I could never open my wallet and pay more than $40k for a car but I do really like these new Land Cruisers. It will be a few years before I’ll be shopping for a used, high mileage one to replace my 05 Tundra.

[@finnmichaelj]

I want to have this on the list, but I can't help thinking a Pilot/Passport/MDX will do all the gravelly BS I might need and tow a small trailer while being much more refined.

[@colingoldthorpe5918]

I have the passport Trailsport so far so good very impressed with my first Honda product.

[@chkndnts]

And also have the legendary J series? Absolutely.

[@Boguardis]

We have a passport Trailsport too and it's a great vehicle. My ONLY complaint is the smaller screen which isn't that bad. Actually I have one more. I have no idea where to put my phone when I plug it in. Having a spot for a wireless charger but not one for wired car play/AA is a huge oversight imo.​@@colingoldthorpe5918

[@nathanaelbennett8286]

Passport refresh is gonna kill the LC. $15k cheaper for the same features as the top LC trim

[@finnmichaelj]

@@nathanaelbennett8286 I mean, probably not locking diffs, but for what I actually do with it, I'll be fine

[@yamawarr962]

Thank you for taking your time. I appreciate a more comprehensive review over being first.

[@petebessas1074]

I bought one (but a First Edition) and have been very happy with it. It has been very capable on the trails I’ve taken it on, comfortable, quiet and fuel-efficient.

[@joseeduardo4327]

What kind of fuel efficiency you getting? These new twin turbo v6 and turbo 4cylinders don’t seem to get their epa ratings

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

@@trdpro2grfks maybe he swapped out the tires? The 1958 trim specifically comes on skinny tires since they know people are just going to take them off. You're talking like a guy who's never driven down anything worse than a well-maintained fire road.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@trdpro2grfksHow do you know the trails he goes to? Go ahead and name them if you’re so sure of yourself.

[@petebessas1074]

@@trdpro2grfks I have taken it on trails in Wyoming, Oregon and Washington state and didn't see a single Civic but I will let you know when I do.

[@petebessas1074]

@@joseeduardo4327 I have a roof top tent on it and have been averaging 22 mpg.

[@z383tpi]

Honestly, I would not have watched that press video, had you released it. I try and support your channel, by watching videos of vehicles I'm not even remotely interested in, but those press (ads honeslty) quick drive vids... nah. Much respect fellas. 👍🏻

[@cthgts]

savagegeese has quickly become one of the podium-tier auto KZbin channels. Far above anyone in the new model review segment.

[@alexanderlee6509]

Savagegeese - consider doing a video of where Toyota is going as a company. Help us understand the decision to put the 4 cycl turbo on everything (and why Honda hasn't) and dropping the V8 for the 6 cyl TTB. Seems like other than the 4Runner (of which the next gen is already in the doorway) and the Rav4, all their vehicles have had new generations in the last couple of years and nobody is saying the initial quality experience is better than before. They do not have an offering that has 5 years history of rock solid reliability on the powertrain. Then there is the debacle of the V6 twin turbo failure due to metal shavings, the new Tacoma transmission problems, recall (and suspension of sales) of the GH and TX due to side airbag. Not to mention lack of supply of certain models (Sienna) and notorious dealer mark ups. I'm in the market for a new mid-sized SUV in the Oklahoma City metro area and only 20 listings pop up (with 17 not having pictures which likely means they have not been delivered yet). How should we as a consumer view a potential Toyota purchase vs the other manufacturers. It used to be, buy Toyota, have peace of mind. Doesn't feel that way any longer.

[@babochee]

This video is almost as long as it takes me to take a dump. Thank you again, savagegeese!

[@OrionDauphin]

Great job within the first 90 seconds defining exactly why I watch your videos even though my feed includes the other “big names” in the car review space.

[@cjb8764]

This is how a see this car. A $60K base model with cloth seats. Which 90% of people will use it to drive to work, mall crawling and to pick up groceries at Wholefoods that they ordered online for pick up. It’s a hit for Toyota for this kind of people.

[@protovack]

you do know people actually have lives right?

[@rickyspanish645]

@@protovackthe idea of a "one car solution" is lost on most auto enthusiasts who frequent the internet. They think everyone has 2 or 3 cars for specific uses.

[@joshuatheoder2196]

Thanks very much guys for the review gentlemen, but I'm genuinely smiling in my LC300.

[@miniaddict4534]

This version of the Land Cruiser reminds me of the old 4Runners. It looks like it’s supposed to be an affordable off road SUV that you can build on. It makes me hopeful for the future… until I saw the sticker price. Between the sticker price and dealer markups, Toyota is trying to squeeze the most amount of money from the consumer while giving as little as possible in return. If this Land Cruiser started in the low to mid 30s, I’d go for it. But at that price, no way!

[@rickper]

A 2013 top of the line trim FJ cruiser cost 36-38k 11 yrs ago, not to realistic on your price thinking, I guess you can dream though.

[@frankthatank4818]

I like the design but I’m not a fan of the powertrain we get in the U.S. I want the diesel.

[@NOTSoGoodHikers]

I took my LC250 off-road this past weekend and did not hear a single creak or rattle. Totally solid and well crafted vehicle.

[@alfredace]

'08 FJ cruiser guy here. 254,819 miles currently (for context). These new bodies built on this architecture are beautiful. Especially the Landcruiser 250. I'd drive the crap out of one. The horsepower and torque numbers are impressive but its hard to trust those drivetrains. These cannot be forever engines like the 1GR-FE, or any of its predecessors. The old engines aren't powerful, even with boost, but they last. My FJ I've owned since new and it still has no oil leaks. None. That and the fact that all I've done is routine maintenance since 08 is more impressive than any dashboard tech and turbo/hybrid horsepower and torque numbers. Dudes who own the new ones are going to chime in but my Fj will be exploring canyons and having adventures while they are waiting for warranty work.

[@DontEatCream]

I launched this car when I started this video. I’ve finished the video and I still haven’t hit 60mph yet. 10/10

[@rickper]

They said 6.6 seconds, seems pretty quick for a brick, what is the 4 runner like 10 or so

[@hamzagelle478]

I recently picked up my 2024 Land Cruiser and all I can say is I LOVE it! I will say the hybrid engine is built more so for performance rather than gas mileage.

[@Jdmrsxe2]

I just bought one of these yesterday! Coming from a 4Runner I’d say this was an amazing upgrade lol. This is a hit.. atleast for me.

[@Anomize23]

I’m gonna say it’s the opposite for me as I love my 4runner even more now. It’s just slightly quicker, but the materials are noticeably thinner and it is a loud drive with a cabin that is more narrow. NO THANKS.

[@Anomize23]

I’m gonna say it’s the opposite for me as I love my 4runner even more now. It’s just slightly quicker, but the materials are noticeably thinner and it is a loud drive with a cabin that is more narrow. NO THANKS. No way am I paying more money to get in a smaller vehicle.

[@Jdmrsxe2]

I’m gonna have to disagree with it being slightly quicker.. it’s a lot quicker.. it has the torque and hp figures to back it up the 4Runner had a v6 that felt like a 4 cylinder and drank gas like a v8.. I can see the concern about the materials on the inside but the tech and creature comforts you get from the more modern car are pretty significant. The 4Runner was great and proven but for everything I was looking for was in the Land Cruiser in comparison to my trd pro

[@Anomize23]

@@Jdmrsxe2 Yeah, the gimmicks isnt even that great either. Camera resolution is HORRIBLE talking about technology. lol Bare minimum tech too.

[@Jdmrsxe2]

@@Anomize23 I hope you’re talking about the 4Runners camera cause that shit looks like it came straight from 2012.. oh wait it did since the 4Runner was unchanged since then. Brother I get the love for the 4runner but let’s be real here the Land Cruiser is leagues ahead of the 4runner in terms of being modern.. but on a plus side for you less tech means less things being broken.

[@balfallout1411]

Thank you Mark. Thank you for being honest with your audience.

[@Affalterbach1967]

0:26 We need to keep diplomatic Mark in the final edit. It would be fun to see the Topher Brz86 Baja lapping the Landcruiser on the off-road loop.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

Something important to note on how this 1958 trim drives on the road, including its limits. The 1958 comes on quite narrow tires for this kind of vehicle; 245 width. All other trims come on 265 width. They practically invented a new tire size for this trim. They know you're just gonna take off these tires anyway and put whatever you want on, so they minimized the tire expense on the front end. Virtually any 4Runner since 2001 or so has been on 265 width tires. If you buy a 1958 trim Land Cruiser 250, take these tires off. Even if you just want to drive it on the street, proper 265 width tires will drive much better and have substantially more grip.

[@mediocreman2]

I would wager the most people who buy this will actually not change the tires. The second and third owners, however, will.

[@greenwc]

You and Car Care Nut are the only two LC reviews needed.

[@Shmity1962]

All it needs is a 6BT Cummins swap and it would be great

[@tomw7647]

I got the 1958 put 5k on it and love it. I get 21 mpg average; I drive easy but did plus size the tires. It was a toss up with the bronco but the smooth ride of the LC sold me.

[@trevorsutherland5263]

I had a 2003 LC for a few years, but it was overkill for my needs and its horrible fuel economy (12 mpg) made it easy to trade it out. Yes, it was built like a tank, supremely comfortable and reliable, but those traits you can find in many other far more efficient vehicles. The old LCs were something of a "status symbol" in the US----the very definition of luxury is being wealthy enough to have an LC , but not *need* an LC. Nobody took them off road; the first time they tasted dirt was when they were 12 years old and shipped off to a 3rd world country. So, imho, this is a little confusing: it *does not* fit into the market space it occupied here for 25 years (G-Wagen, Defender V8, 'Slade/Denali, new QX80 have that well covered), however the "I don't go off road, but I want to look like I do" market is probably large enough to move a few. The problem is the powertrain is not robust enough to do hard work; the old one had the same engine as a Tundra so you technically could tow a battleship with it, this new one does not have that capability headroom. So, no "prestige" buyer, no "I do real work" buyer, you only left with the Jeep crowd.

[@AlphaOmega333]

The prestige buyer will buy the GX version that can tow 9,000lbs.

[@rguil15]

I don't think you know much of anything about older landcruisers. The offroad community is majority jeep, 4Runners, and those older Landcruisers.

[@paulnetter4323]

As always... best car review.... funny and to the point !

[@povertyspec9651]

Nice update to the Nissan Xterra's looks

[@Car-crazy]

I have the 150 series Land Cruiser. Bought it brand new 2 years ago. I absolutely love it. It great for very long distances with its diesel engine it eats up miles so effortlessly. Great in deep snow, and off road too. Does everything I need it to. Whike this new LC 250 looks great, I have no intention of buying it, especially as I have customised my LC to my liking. Another reason I would not be gaining anything by changing to this car.

[@TsavoTouring]

What if I told you that it was actually the replacement to the 200 series 😅??? Would you want it then… because that’s what they did in the US market.

[@ChristianSeger]

Quality always makes the wait worthwhile. Thanks guys!

[@beborodner930]

REALLY APPRECIATE this channel for testing the stripper version!

[@ruleslawyer]

@@beborodner930 i always applaud testing strippers.

[@busterscrugs]

fun drinking game: take a shot every time Jack says "honest"

[@daveh2612]

That’s an honest comment.

[@blakesmith5198]

I was excited about this launch as I’ve had two LCs. But I’ve seen a few on the road and it’s less than thrilling in person…especially for the cost. I think the new 4Runner looks more ‘fun’. But we’ll see how much Toyota wants to price-gouge us on that one.

[@electrikoptik]

We enthusiast wanted the true successor to the 200-series LC which is the 300-series LC. Unfortunately selling to enthusiasts does not make money. At least one can stil buy the LX600 in North America which is a 300-series.

[@colin-nekritz]

I’d say just wait to the FJ relaunch but your know ‘Yota is going to F that up too making it a mall lot princess. Basically if you want real capabilities with proper deets all we’re really left with is Wrangler and to a very lesser degree Bronco.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

I own a 200 LC. People wanted a smaller, lighter, less expensive Land Cruiser and for the most part, they got it. I won’t give up my V8 engine, but this new vehicle is more agile and has more torque than the outgoing V8.

[@M1911jln]

All the LC enthusiasts in the US were whining about the cost of the 200. Toyota brings a lower cost vehicle and now those same enthusiasts whine that we aren’t getting the 300. Toyota sold less than 3500 200s per year in the US.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@M1911jlnSome people are going to whine no matter what. The 200 started at about $80k, this starts at $57k. No car company is making a new model with a $23,000 price differential for a new model. Well done Toyota.

[@TsavoTouring]

@@M1911jlnnot to speak for all of them but I was always jealous of the more base spec 200 series available globally… the high price top of the line LC wasn’t really worth the high price tag. Swapping out the full size HD wagon for a Prado and telling me it’s the same but cheaper is a BS move by Toyota. And now that they’re all sharing so many components I’m not 100 percent sold on what makes the 300 LC better than the 250 Prado or even the 4Runner.

[@Really10801]

It's exactly what I wanted... until I read about the "premium gas" requirement. Premium costs an extra $1 per gallon in my area, so you can keep the LC.

[@Natepwnsu]

I've never been a Land cruiser Guy. But if I was. I think I'd be disappointed with this one.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

You should've seen how disappointed buyers were with the 2021. Sold like 3,000 units that year with a price tag of $90k or so. Pretty sure the new model is already selling a multiple of that number, they must have done something right. The price was the biggest issue with the old one.

[@donleamon8653]

I am a Land Cruiser guy and I am disappointed. Packaging and price. The 1958 should be as off-road capable as the higher trims, but it isn’t. Like a Tradesman Power Wagon.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

@@donleamon8653 what are the qualms between 1958 and higher trims? Lack of a front stabilizer disconnect? Anything else? ALL trims come on tires worthless offroad, that's something that must be bought on any trim.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@thatoneotherotherguy Don is talking out his a*s. He’s never driven this vehicle off road.

[@Ianmundo]

The round headlights are the superior choice

[@rustafur]

OMG that Dodge Nitro quick cut...

[@MetikalMan]

Maybe a non hybrid version to save $5k and 500lbs?

[@mediocreman2]

Hopefully more like 15k, but yes, that would be awesome.

[@lethalee]

They do - just not in North America. In North America they have the 4Runner that occupies that space in the price range, which will be offered in part time 4WD and without the hybrid. You are getting what you want - it's not just wearing a LandCruiser badge in North America.

[@TassieLorenzo]

CAFE?

[@lsj6721]

@@lethalee in my country, we lose the hybrid, but that 2.4L gas engine comes with a turbo. Legitimate question: do you prefer that?

[@obic123]

I can honestly say that's the first SUV I like and would purchase and might if business is good this year.

[@Ripley2049]

People wanted a naturally aspirated V6

[@NomenClature-o8s]

Buy a 4Runner

[@little123456788]

*V8

[@rguil15]

Nah, we didn't want to lose the V8s we've had since the late 90s.

[@michaelnelson9000]

Wondered where you guys were at with this thing! Waited and waited for your review but got impatient and traded my 4Runner in on one. I only value two opinions, yours and The Car Care Nut. All that said, I’m really enjoying my Land Cruiser Land Cruiser. I call it the gentleman’s 4Runner. Highs are the styling, ride, powertrain, fuel economy, seat comfort and especially the crazy good ventilation feature for driving around here in Hell (Tucson). If it’s reliable, it’ll be the last rig for this crusty 60 year mountain biker / off the beatin’ path dirt explorer.

[@jbhull3]

Most honest reviewers on KZbin.

[@johnmurraycompton569]

I like that it's a mild hybrid but I wish they would've made it a PHEV and had an electric only option like Jeep's 4xE. Even if only for a few miles, I like the option of low speed electric only cruising.

[@purposly]

Love the look of them from the outside, but the interior just yearns for more. Definitely will be all there after a couple of year, but its crazy how lackluster it is inside, especially with how great the 4runners are interior wise.

[@sappyjohnson]

Looks good. A cheaper and much more reliable version of a Land Rover in my opinion

[@JohnSmith-y6v]

This looks nothing like a Land Rover.

[@sappyjohnson]

@@JohnSmith-y6v What a stupid comment 😂

[@firstlast8281]

Hence why it’s not a “Land Cruiser”.

[@sappyjohnson]

@@JohnSmith-y6v kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaXJdIWmgrSXr5Ysi=cNC7NtgEQZOBB7OS

[@aaronabajian2416]

I bought a LC 1958, also on my 3rd S2000. Perfect combo.

[@ck4391]

I did not want to pay 80k for a 4-cylinder hybrid, so I'll have to say no....

[@LifeCycle1978]

Then don’t. Pointless comment.

[@chrisbianchi8876]

Great vid and completely agree with not releasing a review earlier. I have to disagree with Mark in his final thoughts though saying the GX is way more expensive. Comparably equipped the LC and GX are pretty close in price which seems to be the biggest complaint about the LC plus you get the V6 in the GX. Real world gas mileage also seems to be pretty similar between the 2 engines. I think the base GX is probably the best value of the bunch.

[@derpdiggler1117]

During that transition to the final thoughts, I was bracing to hear Mark’s grindcore collection.

[@1234ilikethumbwar]

Dude! I thought I heard the Acacia Strain coming on… and then I realized Mark looks oddly familiar…

[@PaintflowException]

We bought one. We love it. We had a Highlander hybrid and while the MPG is way worse on this, the vehicle has character and the interior is just more thought out. Maybe that's because it's designed by Toyota Japan designers, but as has been stated, was well thought out.

[@klwarhouse]

Dodge Nitro Baby!!!!

[@arnoldm889]

You can get like 4 nitros for one land cruiser.

[@klwarhouse]

@@arnoldm889 The Nitros I see around upstate NY....... You could buy 20 for the price of one Land Cruiser. 🤣

[@manfreak456]

Refresh LC wish list: -Redesign rear bumper. -Relocate battery pack to under the rear seats. -Optional steel wheels. -Mazda inline 6 (astronomical stretch).

[@tedcook8749]

Diesel

[@Kabodanki]

Would cost 160ke in france, 80k base price, 60k green tax

[@ishaansaral502]

And comes with the same underpowered diesel as last gen. Definitely is not worth considering in EU.

[@AlphaOmega333]

What a stupid policy, green tax? Lmao

[@Bren39]

Europe has a lot of stupid rules. Went there in major cities and American cars are no where to be found.. Forget trucks and SUVs. Of course none of their silly cars are here either..I mean the real small ones.

[@egorlike1324]

This is why we rspect you guys.

[@keithkornatoski9162]

I like the way the tires squeal around mild corners ... a nice safety feature announcing the arrival of a behemoth (aka portly ill-handling fellow)... is that a factory option? ... oh there it is, I see it now "HI-SQUEAL / LO-GRIP 1958 inspired retro tires $1550.00'

[@TassieLorenzo]

They are Yokohama Geolanders not Yokohama Advans, what do you expect? 🙂 Sure, "rival" SUVs like the Porsches and Alfas come with Pirelli P Zero performance tyres, but they are not really proper 4-wheel-drives.

[@daltonv5206]

Minor nitpick. those mpg are not similar to the old v8. The old v8 was reliable as all hell but she was THIRSTY. You'd be lucky to get 15mpg highway

[@drywinddotnet]

Thanks for not taking the bait and jumping the gun with the marketing spin event.

[@Pandamania371]

This makes me love my 07 FJ that much more