2137 Turgo A Most Efficient Water Turbine

[@kelvinsparks4651]

It would be interesting to see how it fairs with a water stream from a gravity fed supply. On the family farm we have a disused ram pump supply, which is running to waste all year round and I can't help but think I need to harness it somehow.

[@pedjamilosavljevic6235]

You should , if you can get enough water pressure on a turbine (plenty of online calculators are available) , preferably using just elevation difference. Of course , I'm talking of very low cost , relatively simple to build and set up , DIY solution .

[@driverjamescopeland]

Flow and pressure, is flow and pressure. The source (gravity, pump, etc.) is irrelevant. As for what you're talking about... you'd be better off diverting the flow at the source, instead of using what's being pumped up... simply because there's more energy there. It would be far easier to work out a partial capture at the source, than trying to pull from a nearly depleted source.

[@pedjamilosavljevic6235]

@@driverjamescopeland From efficiency standpoint , you are absolutely right. From cost efficiency point , I highly doubt it. Man asked about his particular situation (disused ram pump supply) , I believe , for a reason. If he (or the family he mentioned) wanted , or was able to do something about energy production at the source (of which we don't know nothing) , he/they would have done something to that end already , or the question would be about that.

[@driverjamescopeland]

@pedjamilosavljevic6235 - not necessarily. There are a ton of ram pumps that have been in service in agricultural applications for decades, or even over a century, out of mere simplicity and their low maintenance. That being said... the easiest to have any reasonable power generation from the miniscule source of a ram pump feed, would be to use the water as a battery to fill a sizeable reservoir, with the volume at the ram pump's highest possible head reach. Without knowing how much head/pressure and flow is available, it's virtually impossible to design a proper hydropower system. Ram pumps typically don't have much pressure... so the design would almost certainly have to incorporate high-flow/low-head turbine. The style seen here, as also with pelton designs, require significant head pressure to reach reasonable efficiency. Low head turbines focus less on capturing the momentum of existing pressure, but allowing the mass of the flow itself to gather energy from gravity as it flows through the turbine. For this reason, most low head turbines are most often vertical axis... with the impeller design itself usually more akin to that of what's seen on the compressor side of a turbo charger. Designs based on archimedes screw are also quite common for low-head turbines. While simple and fairly low maintenance, they're not particularly efficient.

[@pedjamilosavljevic6235]

@@driverjamescopeland I assumed that there is a some kind of reservoir , or that it can be easily installed (tank of some kind). I'm well aware of other things what you've written (thanks) , but , as I said previously , man asked if he could use ram pump flow (we don't know the volume of it , per some unit of time) which isn't used any more . I said (because there is height difference , or head - otherwise there would be no ram pump) , that he can. As for efficiency , I mostly agree with you (and there is so much more about it) , but in this case , that wasn't the question , or the issue. I believe , that the question in hand would be formulated differently , if kelvinsparks4651 wanted to know , how to build best possible and most efficient hydro energy system , for the budget and water condition he has at his family's farm. If he change his question and provide some data about of water source and other relevant things , I'm sure that community would be very helpful with suggestions , calculations and examples that can help him.

[@pedjamilosavljevic6235]

Turgo turbine made out of plastic spoons is , to me , more useful for testing (like proof of concept) , than to actual use for pico hydro energy production. Stainless spoons are much better and , with some preparation , those doesn't have to be welded. For an example , one can bend handles of all of the spoons at (let's say) 90 degrees angle and then cut them , leaving just like 2 mm of bent part. At the end of every 30 degrees cut to circular base (which can be achieved with very simple jig) , you can drill a 3-4 mm hole , at the end of each cut , which will keep spoons from falling out , do to a centrifugal force and you can secure it with epoxy glue and/or some short screw. Getting it balanced and obtaining water pressure is different problem (I mean in low cost , DIY builds).

[@pinballrobbie]

As I was watching this, it struck me that the water leaving the spoons still has a lot of force left in it. So I wondered if this could be collected by a spinning shell that surrounds the wheel to harness extra energy. The shell could have mirrored spoons attached like an inverted version of the center wheel.

[@stephenroot1012]

I have seen pictures of multi stage pelton turbines where the output of the first set of rotating blades go into a fixed set of blades which reverses the stream for when it hits a second set of rotating blades on the same shaft and they just keep adding stages until they feel that they got all the energy they can out of it like in a steam powered plant. I was just wondering if a similar would work here.

[@roberthardt1846]

Reminds me of my bicycle pedal when I was a kid

[@ChaseBlackmoon]

I feel like I just watched a wizard put spoons together to make something amazing, keep up the great work! So glad I found this channel, I want to try to make a mini hydro power plant.

[@FallofTroy787]

Not all wizards have English accents.

[@TheNightwalker247]

The whole week i have been obsessed with hydro power and you always deliver. Have you done a video on vortex turbines for low head high flow power yet?

[@clickbaitnumberone1403]

Pretty amazing. What if we put on some tailing edge like on HTs to point it with thesse 30% angel in the wind?

[@miguelbaca8086]

Hello Robert! Fantastic video, was wondering if you’d be able to take us through the process of making a DIY boiler to power a steam turbine! Wanting to build a project here at home, but don’t know how to start, so I figured I would ask an expert!

[@mumblbeebee6546]

Boilers above hobby use are regulated and inspected for a reason in many countries. When things go wrong, they go wrong spectacularly and potentially for third parties too. Blondihacks has shown some very good boiler building on her channel, and has just finished one that got inspected and passed. I recommend starting there, or with a model club near you.

[@ellooku]

Thank you sir. I have already done it with plastic spoon before and it was splashing everywhere😂. Lolz. Thanks for this idea. I am going to redo it.

[@donwright3427]

Make turgo from the steel inserts in safety boots!

[@brandonboulton2776]

Ok. Print in carbon fiber PTFE? Ceramic bearings? Pretty accessable these days I heard somewhere.👍

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

Great point!

[@jurieccilliers]

I wonder why they recommend cutting off the shafts (assuming an ideal world where no spoons are bent). Doing so reduces the torque that one can obtain from the given water jet, but does reduce size. I appreciate that you've welded the spoons rather than tightening them with nuts and bolts, otherwise things might go flying at high RPM. Cheers from South Africa mate.

[@puremadmentalmackay]

You were bloody brave spinning that stainless steel turgo as fast as you did there! 😂 That shaft looked like it wasn't going to take much more and I can't imagine that turbine will have been very kind to your money makers!! 😬

[@WSmith_1984]

You seem to have a little shaft wobble there Robert 😁.... Great little device...

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - yeah a little bit mate - i need to true it up for sure

[@davidl.howser9707]

Hmmm. Cut 36 slots with a bandsaw / handsaw / copping saw / jig saw into the plastic hub. Glue 36 cut spoon handles into the 36 slots cut into the plastic hub to add strength.Leave the tea spoon handles long when strongly slot seated so that the hub shaft will generate more torque do to a larger fulcrum point.. Hmmm

[@robsfish4485]

I often wonder if Telsa laughed like a fool (no offense) every time he performed a successful experiment, LOLOLOLOL

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - none taken mate!

[@simonexperiences]

je confirme que la turgo fonctionne très bien en pico-hydro! (j'obtiens 170W avec une hauteur de 6m et alinenté avec tuyau PE 63mm) à quand le petit mot sur la miroslav setur? ici (petite bretagne) on a peu de vent mais beaucoup de petits ruisseaux...! merci

[@adamcollegeman2]

clamp the metal spoons between 2 round metal disks with indents every 10 degrees, then twist bend the stem of each spoon to correct angle 20-30 angle, use metal spoons, no welding.. then they are easily replaceable too.. use for solar to steam generators too is solar to steam powered water pump also possible too? is a solar panel to electric steam generator possible too?..

[@Tshepo10111]

❤ from South Africa 🇿🇦, I'm interested on this technology, Thank you 🙏

[@tuberdave1]

Excellent!😊

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@maranmarantakeiteazie]

Rob, how about turgo cast from concrete containing graphene and soaked in water glass. Could add glass fibre or synthetic fibre for extra strengh - this is another of your videos going into my archive......as always brilliant, inspirational and most of all fun! I have a stream next to my house and there an enough energy to run 5 houses. There's a download on the internet on how to do the calcs for building one of these based on the flow and drop in water.

[@justtinkering6713]

Erosion?

[@maranmarantakeiteazie]

@@justtinkering6713 good point - although, I thought some turbines use ceramic fins. however, I think you are more than likely right given the velocity and solids in untreated water....back to the shed😆

[@juanpabloabalde]

I'm doing something like that... but with 2 stepper motors, one on each side of the shaft, do you think I would need bearings in the same way? Or could I avoid using them since they are expensive and even more so the waterproof ones?

[@hubrisnaut]

I suggest roller skate or scooter bearings. They are cheap for what you get.

[@sailaway8244]

Ceramic bearings maybe a viable option 🤔

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

if you want something long term you need to engineer for that mate - what i built was just a demo - water will get everywhere and pretty quickly rust things up unless you do something about it - so water proof bearings, lot's of grease, seals, chain drives are all good options - it really depends what you want to do and what situation you are in and how long you want it to last

[@sailaway8244]

@@ThinkingandTinkering would glass beads/ marbles contained within 3d printed race ways incorporating channels to self lubricate / cool them ( turning the main problem into an assett while reducing cost and engineering) work? Use a fan/ alternator belt type set up to simultaneously gear up the turbine output shaft and allow the electrical generators to be placed above the turbine using gravity to defend against water ingress🤔

[@GMT439]

@@ThinkingandTinkering Scale this up to the size of a house and have multiple high pressure jets powering it. Then use that energy to create electricity to power a heating matrix that injects steam into a massive steam engine.. & There you have it. NEW CLEAR ENERGY from NEW CLEAR WATER.. Note the radiation symbol is a 3 blade Turbine. Next..

[@MisterTalkingMachine]

Funny I've been watching a lot of hydro power vids this last week, guess it's my turn to be the one within the large number for that coincidence

[@mynameisrufusdude]

Could you have two counter rotating with the second one collecting the last bit of energy from the first one?

[@salilsahani2721]

Thank you :)

[@GMT439]

Scale this up to the size of a house and have multiple high pressure jets powering it. Then use that energy to create electricity to power a heating matrix that injects steam into a massive steam engine.. & There you have it. NEW CLEAR ENERGY from NEW CLEAR WATER.. Note the radiation symbol is a 3 blade Turbine. Next..

[@aussie_Logic]

might be good to use with a steam boiler nice rob

[@markirish7599]

Fantastic video

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate

[@DavidWilliams-yh6pq]

How much graphene should I grind into baking soda?

[@oildalestar]

Needs to be balanced

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

yes it does!

[@raloed.363]

Francis turbines are the most efficient hydroelectric turbines

[@FallofTroy787]

I would argue that this is not the most effective water turbine. This is just a play on a modern hydroelectric turbine which runs at about a 60% gathering total energy from the water. Where as if you use a Tesla turbine you could get as high as 70 or 80%. This was not used in modern manufacturing due to the size of the blades that you would need to run the turbine at the RPMs that they would have to spin the blades would break up. I would argue that with modern technology in advances and metal, we can make this turbine efficient and effective again. Imagine if we could make a small version that fits on your local stream and gathers energy from a source that has been previously overlooked due to inefficiency in turbines. Instead of having large industrial dams and complexes, you could have your own personal power station in your backyard. Someday I would hope to build one of these out of modern materials that you could find out of junkyard. I plan on using old diamond blades as the disc being as they are already rated for a high RPM. Just saying those are my thoughts. Maybe really cool if you could try to build something or do a video like that. The government does shut down programs that try to make Tesla turbines so be warned. If you have a turbine that runs at 80% efficiency, then there's no need for repairs or replacement parts. Then you don't have an industry and they can't profit off it. They needed to break and run less efficient so that people can have jobs.

[@sebastyijan]

It would be very interested in how AI would fare, if given access to video transcripts from all of these videos because they all are amazing! Recently they succeeded in Mathematical discoveries so finding discoveries for these would be equally amazing :) Edit. I am working on text transcripts if anyone from AI side is interested I can post later.

[@CCoburn3]

I've already seen this because I'm a member. If you're not a member, you're missing out.

[@KoolRanqe]

Early access to better gen methods &/or access to schematics or something?

[@paulwright8378]

I'm not a member, why did I see it twice

[@CCoburn3]

@@KoolRanqe Not only early access, but also members-only videos.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

awesome cheers mate

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

you didn't - you just think you did because you half remember another video

[@justthinkingthoughts]

Couldnt you double turgo a peleton with two angled injectors?

[@WRich-wi5dr]

Do it better with a vortex, like Nicola Tesla did or Viktor Schauberger did. Water can be used to form a consistent cycle. Like a perpetual motion machine

[@SpellsOfTruth]

J Keely's "water implosion device" was listed in the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia as a "perpetual motion machine" in the early 1900s for decades. Its one of the only devices I've ever come across that actually could be a overunity device because it utilizes 3-4 principles recognized in modern physics to produce over-unity, a water hammer, air cavitation, sound resonance on spherical metal objects, and anti-stokes light emission(not sure if it uses that one). Physicist Dale Pond did a lecture on the device that can be found on youtube called Sympathetic Vibratory Physics of John Keely by Dale Pond and imo its one of the most fascinating videos in existence. I'd love to hear what you think of it. Also thanks for the videos and apologies for mentioning something kinda off topice.

[@pozeraczkalu]

Czy to papieżowa turbina?

[@justtinkering6713]

I would think a Tesla turbine would spin faster.

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[@DailyPoolTips]

I too saw an article on this and am curious about how it works.

[@stevemozingo7209]

too many youtube adds

[@FlyWithSergio]

Print to 3D much better

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

it's different and has different problems - it isn't 'much better' - just a different approach - anyway i will be doing a 3d printed version i think

[@maranmarantakeiteazie]

@@ThinkingandTinkering Concrete caste with graphene and fibre (could put wire frame) could be a winner as would be cheap and easily to replace even if turgo lasted a couple of months. mould would be the issue and it would need shaked to remove air. could coat in water glass also to increase water proofing. concrete is robust in water - in the north sea shell brent platforms were made from concrete and the lasted +40 years immersed in water.