219. America, Israel & Palestine with Dave Smith

[@jmaupin34]

A Palestinian and a Jewish guy sitting down to have a rational, intelligent conversation, restores my faith in humanity. God Bless you both 🙏🏼

[@Liberty-rn4wy]

They both agree. Saif is fine with the Jew using pro-Hamas talking points and will tolerate that.

[@emfegmfeg7100]

@@Liberty-rn4wythese facts existed before Hamas was even an idea. And being Jewish doesn’t mean you have a connection to the land of Palestine

[@alexasad4745]

@@emfegmfeg7100

[@Ones_Complement]

Dave Smith is a national treasure.

[@Lorenzo_von_Matterhorn]

Dave Smith's brain is broken by Palestine / Israel.

[@voice88out]

Human treasure 🎖️

[@JeThoreau_]

Dave Smith is a legend

[@Salamander_sam]

GREAT CONVERSATION ♥️

[@detrockcity3]

Fantastic work. Thanks guys.

[@greganastas]

My grandparents lost everything (left with their children and their shirts on their backs) and fled Ramallah too.

[@DaMainDiSh]

Idk why yall are fighting when there’s so much in common. This same story happened to every Jew in the Middle East

[@catanduva33]

Saifedean Ammous is brilliant in his analysis of history & politics.

[@alyzak.8997]

dave smith is a true thinker

[@shideh333]

Respect and Love! Thank you! ❤

[@emfegmfeg7100]

"I do not believe in the TRANSFER of an individual. I believe in the TRANSFER of entire villages." Arthur Ruppin

[@danielsantucci1494]

Came here afte the horrendous debate with Konstantin. Haven't seen anything yet, i really have to recover from that catastrophe 😡.

[@DGS5218]

Was this originally supposed to be an episode of Part of the Problem?

[@spencerlane2871]

I'm agnostic about Israel but even I notice in this that this is an entirely one sided conversation. Seems to me like there is another side to this story which they're not acknowledging.

[@voice88out]

Dave smith , bro you are a man of purpose 🤝

[@adam_long_unique_name]

the comparison to creating a French ethno-state in Louisiana is laughable. The real comparison is to creating a Cherokee ethno-state in original Cherokee native land, or at least creating a Kurd ethno-state in Kurdistan.

[@WalkerAmerica]

great conversation -- this talk was what spurred me to invite Saif on my show to talk about property rights in Israel/Palestine in greater detail: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJPYqXyJob19nrssi=TjhGg4ycJ7aV-dW6

[@sakhermonther3914]

Unfortunately the websites can’t be opened in Israel. “Ip not found” U banned saif?! 😕

[@lugiasimply6054]

because they don't want you questioning their genocidal narrative.

[@dana58882]

I'm going to vote for Dr. Jill Stein. Thank God I found a presidential candidate who opposes the murdering of innocent people and who has a chance of winning the presidency 2024. Dr. Jill Stein, please be more visible to all voters and in particular to voters who cannot vote for either Biden or Trump. Also, please work with Bernie Sanders or at least appear publicly with him and reach out to his supporters if you haven't done so already. America needs you right now.

[@aslkdjfzxcv9779]

whos still listening in 2025?

[@marcd5285]

It's 2027 where I'm at and I'm still listening to this. Big shout out to all the freedom lovers in my timeline's past

[@aslkdjfzxcv9779]

@@marcd5285 xD

[@Liberty-rn4wy]

Israel left Gaza in 2005 under right-winger Sharon. You can't explain this if you claim like Saif and Dave do that Israel just wants more and more land and fewer Arabs. Btw the population of Gaza went from 200,000 in 1967 to over 2 million today.

[@emfegmfeg7100]

Seventy Five percent of the people in Gaza are refugees or children of refugees from the towns Israel ethnically cleansed along the coast and around Gaza.

[@stephanoswenner1903]

And why did that population increase? May it have been from all the people displaced from the country and pushed into an open air concentration camp aka Gaza? 🤔

[@sionnach.1374]

Re-establish the Crusader States Deus Vult

[@itssteve6018]

The Crusader states were inherently dependent, parasitic, entities solely existing as a result of massive foreign investment with zero domestic resources. The moment those foreign entities were unable to continue the massive level of waste spending, the Crusader states collapsed. This is exactly the fate that will befall modern Isreal.

[@Liberty-rn4wy]

Dave asked him what it's like to live in Ramallah "under foreign military occupation." What? The Palestinian Authority runs the West Bank, not Israel. Does Dave not know this?

[@emfegmfeg7100]

You are stupid. There are military check points in the entrance of all West Bank towns/cities and Israel controls the entire West Bank.

[@axb8000]

“Traditional colonialism” oh brother.

[@formetoknow540]

hasbunallahu wa ni'mal wakil nikmal maula wanikman nasir

[@Liberty-rn4wy]

Saif claims that in 1945 only about 5% of the land was owned by Jews, per the British. What he doesn't mention is that most of Israel was barren desert and had been swampland (full of malarial mosquitos) that only became usable after Jewish knowhow and capital and hard work developed it. The "Arab land" was actually mostly empty land owned by the Ottoman Empire before 1918 and then the British. It is totally misleading to say that the land was owned by Arabs.

[@emfegmfeg7100]

"Land is the most necessary thing for establishing roots in Palestine. Since there are hardly any more arable unsettled lands. . . . we are bound in each case. . . to remove the peasants who cultivate the land." Arthur Ruppin

[@emfegmfeg7100]

"Palestinian dispossession is inevitable because land is the vital condition for our settlement in Palestine. But since there is hardly any land which is worth cultivating that is not already being cultivated, it is found that whatever we purchase land and settle it, by necessity its present cultivators are turned away . . . In the future it will be much more difficult to purchase land, as sparsely populated land hardly exists. What remains is densely [Palestinian Arab] populated land." Arthur Ruppin

[@emfegmfeg7100]

"I do not believe in the TRANSFER of an individual. I believe in the TRANSFER of entire villages." Arthur Ruppin

[@Liberty-rn4wy]

@@emfegmfeg7100 Are you going to use quotes or facts about what actually happened? And I have never heard of that person.

[@larryjenson4328]

You can leave an occupation 🤷‍♂️

[@emfegmfeg7100]

Palestinians have an ancient connection to the land, unlike modern israelíes who change their names and move around the world like Gypsies

[@muncher222]

I am love both you guys as thinkers but this is the least charitable interperation - someone who doesnt have a horse.

[@OskarBosco-o2w]

Which part do you disagree with lol

[@_STNML]

Arabs. How did they get there in the first place?

[@gderbi]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5WofWWvnblqi9E&ab_channel=TEDxTalks

[@tylerboyd570]

The native population who's been on their land for 1000s of years are what you call Arabs, just like other peoples who speak Arabis like Iraqis, Egyptians and Moroccans. How did your people come to inhabit where you live?

[@marwanshamsia]

Palestinians are Canaanites, not ethnic Arabs. It's like calling Irish people English. Yeah, they speak english, but that doesn't mean they are english.

[@Honcho69able]

​@marwanshamsia4193 and, as with Arabs and Canaanites or Brits and Irish, not only does none of it matter but also no one cares

[@detrockcity3]

@@marwanshamsiapeople desperately need a crash course in Arabization.

[@justinedwards6390]

How gross, unprincipled and just plain embarrassing for Saife to be referring to Lyn Alden as "she". But I agree on the Israel stuff.

[@Caballaria-sc2sj]

What is Lyn Alden's gender?

[@TrackPennState2009]

Very good interview. Too bad smith can’t apply to the same logic to questions other “narratives”.

[@RunBayou]

I'm sure if you spoke to Dave, he'd make a mockery of whatever position you have that's apparently too controversial to even be specific about

[@detrockcity3]

Oh quit the innuendo. What are you referring to?

[@microsoftpain]

you've posred this comment elsewhere, or at least i recognize it. why don't you ever provide examples?

[@TrackPennState2009]

@@RunBayouhow so? Replace everything he is saying about how outlandish the Jews claims are regarding October 7th with another event they make the same outlandish claims. How is it different? He makes very good arguments that the Jews lie about massacres to accomplish their geopolitical objectives.

[@bmgmusa07]

🇮🇱

[@emfegmfeg7100]

Modern Israelis have No real connect to the land

[@bmgmusa07]

@@emfegmfeg7100 yes they do. Are you serious?

[@OskarBosco-o2w]

Arabs lived in Palestine since 600AD. No one cares what it says in your weirdo religious text.

[@avisting]

😂😂😂​@@emfegmfeg7100