Notre Dame Stunned By Marshall - Josh Pate Rapid Reaction (Late Kick Cut)

[@dcxxxx]

The players chose Freeman for the same reason students would choose the substitute.

[@xandercrews4729]

@@asuhdude6668 The white players wanted him too. It was a bad hire but had nothing to do with race.

[@Jaems_Scott]

@@xandercrews4729 = Exactly ... Ohio State was changing out their Defensive Coordinator right around the same time as this hire was made. What I was hearing from Buckeyes fans, is Freeman was Days first choice for the job. May have been a knee jerk hire.

[@ronniemas1]

Showing your true colors in these comments I see.

[@xandercrews4729]

@@ronniemas1 I’ve been seeing a lot of these comments. I’m not woke by any degree, but the racist tones are obvious. ND already hired their 1st black HC, 20 yrs ago. They weren’t trying to break the mold. They took a risk on Freeman and it was the wrong decision. However, to reduce his hiring to his race is wrong.

[@ronniemas1]

@@xandercrews4729 I agree. These comments are nothing but thinly veiled racist speak. The man took over a mediocre program with very few of his recruits on the field. Hopefully, he's granted another year to make headway. These comments reflect the culture of the SEC, and goes to show why there isn't one black head coach in the SEC, and little if any coordinators.

[@BananaMan311]

Finally someone giving Marshall some credit. They played a great game. Go Herd!

[@codyrockarano5220]

As great a game as Marshall can ever play ND can't be losing to Marshall. No disrespect to Marshall, & I'm not even a ND fan lol

[@buckknoboutdoors8512]

@@codyrockarano5220ok

[@kurtgellert9166]

Was at this game. ND was outmanned. They were beat in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Hats off to Marshall who played awesome. And their fans were incredible. Well done, Marshall!

[@chrisa-95]

So glad to finally hear someone not just talk about ND’s screw ups and rather talk about how well Marshall played. They were SOLID - very excited to watch them this season!

[@TravisDoesKayakFishing]

There were these fools on here just weeks ago telling me how Kelly was the issue at ND. Their head coach is now O-3. Kelly had them at 10 per year and playoffs within reach most years. Just because he wasn't going to the next level, does not mean he was holding the program back. Maybe this is as far as ND goes now with their restrictions and lack of a conference.

[@ronaldwayne7092]

@@chrishaugh1655 0-3 includes last season's bowl game.

[@miketemple7686]

OUCH..OUCH! What if…just what if Kelly was the reason ND was as successful as they were?

[@josephmoya5098]

@@miketemple7686 Or what if Kelly is the reason our current best O-Lineman are sophomores who don't even have a combined year of experience between them, we only have one decent receiver, no Big men on D-Line, and a Quarterback room that's a mess. Don't forget, Kelly beat Toledo, FSU, and V-tech by 3 points last year. Not like he was crushing teams worse than Marshall. Freeman has been here for two games. (I know when coached the Bowl game, but that hardly counts as his.) The state of the Irish is not on Freeman, it is on Kelly. Kinda wonder if he saw this coming and bailed to not have it fall on his name. If this happened to him, he would never see another coaching job. No excuse for the roster to be in the state is in when we have been to the playoffs two of the last four years.

[@TravisDoesKayakFishing]

@@ronaldwayne7092 Did @chris haugh delete his comment?

[@jefferyparker4277]

@@josephmoya5098 Tell yourself what you need. The truth is they would be better if Kelly was the coach. They would still be overrated. I mean, that is a constant. Hell, at 0 -2 they are over rated. I guarantee it.

[@mikefort7449]

ND still gets propped because they have exclusive network coverage over on No Body Cares.

[@ThundarBarBar]

Kelly saw the writing on the wall. Got out of South Bend.

[@josephmoya5098]

You mean the writing he wrote?

[@ThundarBarBar]

@@josephmoya5098 Holtz saw the same writing decades earlier

[@ThundarBarBar]

@@josephmoya5098 Kelly left Notre Dame better than he found it.

[@josephmoya5098]

@@ThundarBarBar Well, we will see this year. Because these are his players. Like Josh said, QB recruiting has been a bulldozer coming at us at 2 mph for four years. And Kelly did didly shit about it. So..

[@ThundarBarBar]

@@josephmoya5098 Venables went to OU with no QB. Sounds like excuses for current loser coach who had an entire offseason to find a QB. Maybe new guy doesn’t know how the portal works.

[@robertranger6612]

I kept thinking Notre Dame kept talking about Brian Kelly too much. Should have been focused on the business at hand

[@the_one9801]

Facts!!

[@brianjohnson2483]

How in the HE double L did AP have ND ranked as #5 at the start of the season??

[@youngpup9420]

They do this every year & every year they turn out to be overrated trash

[@mikefort7449]

Bruh. It's Notre Dame. I've seen them being top 10 preseason and finish 4-8 before.

[@youtubecommentsectiondebates]

Because of the name brand

[@Jaems_Scott]

How does it mean anything but to the average "Common Place" viewer? Pre-Season polls mean absolutely nothing. Caring about them will lead to irascibility and disgruntled drinking habits. Stop facepalming, Start Dismissing. The AP garners rating by aggravating you.

[@Boxing_leprechaun]

@@mikefort7449 I’ve also seen them go from being unranked to finishing in the top 10

[@tornado154]

i didn't really understand all the media hype about freeman, that oklahoma state loss was a really bad loss. i know those bowl games don't really mean anything, but that showed he might be in over his head

[@Scourge77]

This is going to be a very long year for ND and Freeman.

[@buckknoboutdoors8512]

😂

[@oej2k3]

ND has finally proven that they are overrated.

[@AB-eq9mm]

@Matthew Walker no

[@AB-eq9mm]

@@nicholastaiariol2631 they’ve been consistently low top 10 quality team and thats where they’ve been ranked. This year is a down year, so yes this year they were overrated but most years no.

[@jefferyparker4277]

@@AB-eq9mm Yes they’ve been consistently low top 10 (or 15) quality team who keeps getting treated as if they are a top 4 team. When those games are played, against true top 4 teams, they get ran off the field. They were in those games because.....wait for it...they were over rated.

[@AB-eq9mm]

@@jefferyparker4277 how are they treated as a top 4 team? They’ve made it to the playoffs twice, only when they’ve had undefeated regular seasons, in one of those years they even beat the number 1 team.

[@jefferyparker4277]

@@AB-eq9mm Making the play-offs. making BCS games before the play-off. Every time they play a real big boy in a game that matters, it is ugly and you know it. That's been true since Holtz left. Check the record in the play-offs, bcs bowl games, or the BCS championship game. They should not have been in those games and the results prove it. That's called being over rated - treated like a top 4 team when you are not. If it was a one off, that would be one thing. However, it happens EVERY time! It has happened for 30 years. It is predictable as the sun coming up in the east.

[@Ram-zc4fi]

At least their coach looks like an absolute full course meal, a real looker, a real stunner you could say

[@camillesteele0501]

Ohio state isn’t as good as I thought, and ND …as always.. was overrated.

[@vinceredeor439]

Perhaps the OSU vs Notre Dame and Georgia Vs Clemson comparisons are even more accurate then we thought.

[@elliotthoward4738]

Why because they don’t have there best player keep hating my team bro !

[@answerman9933]

OSU fan: Notre Dame is the best 0-2 team in the nation.

[@hehehehaworgrrr1513]

broo how many times do we have to say it??? ND Has a Good Defense. It was Freakin Week 1! OSU Got a new offense. Of course it was gonna be a slow game

[@BookkeeperGaming]

@@vinceredeor439 Ohio State doesn't have a Stetson Bennett. Pretty sure, CJ Stroud isn't going anywhere, but maybe they do who knows. I hope CJ Stroud finds his stride and they make it all the way, but still not convinced yet they can compete with UGA or Bama.

[@LPow58]

2017: 10-3, pre AP unranked, final AP 11, bowl win LSU 21-17 2018: 12-1, pre AP 12, final AP 5, bowl loss Clem 3-30 2019: 11-2, pre AP 9, final AP 11, bowl win ISU 33-9 2020: 10-2, pre AP 10, final AP 5, bowl loss ALA 14-31 2021: 11-2, pre AP 9, final AP 8, bowl loss Ok St 35-37 Im not saying they were elite or that they could beat the elites, but they arent overrated every year. They have 5 consecutive 10+ win seasons, its two cfp losses were to the eventual champions of that year, almost beat but lost with an interim HC to what is arguably Gundy's best Ok St in years, and was competitive against tOSU, which is currently the best team in the nation, holding them to their lowest score in the Ryan Day era. Since 2017, the only other Power 5 school with a better ATS record is Ok St, implying that to a certain extent, Vegas underrates their performance. In only one year did they finish with a lower AP ranking than their preseason ranking. But sure, they have a hangover/letdown game after playing the best team in the nation AT Ohio St, and the narrative of "theyre always overrated every year" starts up again. Again, not saying theyre elite, but theyre not overrated.

[@LPow58]

To clarify, by "elite", im talking about the top 2 or 3 teams in the nation. If you dont know by now, it's those 2 or 3 elite teams, and then there's everybody else. To be honest, until further notice, it's Ohio St, Alabama, and between Georgia and Clemson, and then everybody else.

[@williamw3501]

If they tank; how many recruits are going to jump ship? Freeman built up quite the class. 🤔

[@la7era1u54]

The fans will just blame Brian Kelly. And every other ND football fan will totally buy it because they live in the worst echo chamber in college football

[@thomaswallace7337]

Two words for ND. Cade MacNamara.

[@moegreene7940]

He was committed to ND, but they loved Ian Book so much he went to Michigan

[@yarddawg6151]

I’m so glad that ND is out of the conversation from the very beginning…just like they should have always been when it comes to a playoff team🤷🏾

[@onetwo6039]

Once Freeman gets his recruits in, they will be back right in it.

[@skibbyb]

​@@onetwo6039 Says who? The coaching from MF has been laughable. Recruits won't matter. Just look at Texas A+M.

[@austinteutsch]

Marshall and Appalachian State are dragon slayers. So all you top dogs, on any given Saturday, beward of those "easy" little guys. As an Arkansas Razorback fan, I am very watchful of upcoming Missoouri State. Go Hogs.

[@willistor]

Lots to work on for sure. I'd much rather be going through this now and have time to figure out how to correct it, and test it, rather than the end of the year. I think ND fans pushing the panic button far too fast. Freeman is a year 1 coach, and not just at ND, but ever. It may be a rough couple weeks ahead, but let's see how he adjusts. There have been some flashes of a good team, but flashes wont win you games. Gotta take those and build off of it. I still think Freeman will end up being a good coach, and these next few weeks will really tell us a lot more than the past 3 games have.

[@skibbyb]

What more can the next few weeks tells we haven't already seen? Bad coaching, inferior players, etc.

[@willistor]

@@skibbyb How they respond to the issues at hand, of course. Do they make significant and meaningful adjustments, or do they fold under pressure? We'll learn a lot starting this weekend alone for sure.

[@thecomebackkid1292]

Scary thing is freeman has no history as a program head coach let alone program builder. And this thing is far worse off than any of us imagined

[@LPow58]

Coming back for this; we're now 3-2, pretty much took UNC and BYU to the woodshed (scores closer only bc of a few lapses on defense at the end of the games). Much improvement in almost every facet, big confidence builders before going up against Syracuse, Clemson, and USC. Of course not national title contenders, but after a rough start, I'll take it

[@thecomebackkid1292]

@@LPow58 yea we’ll see but its been lookin much better admittedly. I think Drew Pyne has leadership qualities and things seem to be working more effectively and in unison as a result

[@RealOGMudbone]

Brian Kelly was not the problem lol

[@manwholaughs2477]

Ooooo that’s why Kelly left. Front and center all those Irish that told me Marcus was the guy you wanted….. I’ll wait

[@robertjulieannanalett1691]

When I watched Ohio State and Notre Dame and watched both teams struggling to score points I saw this coming both these are in for difficult years

[@Scourge77]

I don't know, UNLV is glacier speed improving, they may be a .500 team come the end of the season. That'd be an extremely improved team if they get to that record.

[@U221-u1i]

What are u talking about?

[@happynotredamefan3736]

The worst part is 1st string qb is injured and put for the season

[@dc76384]

Marcus Freeman wasn't the first choice for the job. He was the only option left after the top two candidates said no. Dark dark days ahead for this program. ND is stuck in the dry concrete of the past and refuses to evolve.

[@xandercrews4729]

Fickell didn’t say no. He just wasn’t going to interview during the playoff prep.

[@dc76384]

What ever the reason ND failed in their choice

[@Jaems_Scott]

@@dc76384 = The reason was a knee jerk reaction. ND wanted to interview Fickell, but he wasn't going into negotiations until after the playoffs. Meanwhile Ohio State was looking to replace their D-Coordinator, and contacted Freeman's agent. ND hired Freeman to keep him in South Bend.

[@jimbo4612]

Hope Marshall left Marcus Freeman and Tommy Rees some W. Virginia moonshine to ease their suffering. ND #5 to unranked with only 23 votes in just two games YIKES!

[@Ananias03]

Ohio State fans were saying this was a top ranked team is why they struggled with ND. LOL I'm wondering how Josh is seeing OSU now

[@paul44foster]

Don't kid yourself. Freeman's seat is getting really hot. He won't get fired this year but will if this continues into next season.

[@djLagwayEnjoyer]

If he loses to cal and starts 0-4 as the HC, he will 100% be fired. If he doesn’t win at least 4-5 games this year he will be fired. Absolutely no reason you shouldn’t win at least 7 games with the schedule they have and the talent they have. New HC or not you should never lose to Marshall at home

[@deathgrinderb3284]

the stats were similar except the turnovers.

[@chiphalvorsen4252]

They will bounce back, but maybe not this year. They always recruit well, so they have the players! I guess this is on the coaches to do better!

[@youngpup9420]

Notre Dame is the most overrated program year in & year out.

[@Jaems_Scott]

Really ..? What has A&M Accomplished .?. I think if you look around the country, there are several other Media Darlings who get as much unwarranted hype. Nebraska, Miami, even Michigan at times. Georgia use to get Preseason ranked in the Top 5 a and lose 3 games yearly.

[@John_Hoover]

Oklahoma has entered the chat.

[@mikesupthn18]

Said before the season, there were no fight left in that Irish blood.

[@bclarky12]

Freeman is a great coach. As soon as they get rid of Tommy Rhees, they can start building towards being a perennial national title contender. No hard feelings against Rhees, he did his best, but that one move would drastically change everything for their trajectory. I hope Freeman is coaching there for the next 30 years. They shouldn't let a couple of bad years change their plans for the head coach, it would be a mistake.

[@brendangilmartin4002]

Get a qb. There qb wouldn't start at rutgers. Its notre dame.

[@jefferyparker4277]

Based on exactly what are you claiming Freeman is a great head coach? He has a three game sample size and he is 0 - 3. I'm not saying he can not get it figured out. I am saying you have absolutely no evidence to support your statement. He might be great. He might stink. There is more evidence to support the latter.

[@U221-u1i]

You tell them Gerry Faust!

[@bclarky12]

​@@jefferyparker4277 He's definitely a great coach and recruiter. Time will tell about the head coach part, but I think the odds are in his favor because of youth. Some big standouts for me was the SMU Cincinnati game in 2020. SMU was lighting it up until that game. Then the Birmingham Bowl win after the 2019 season over BC. Then Notre Dame all of last year really had a different feel on the defensive side. I've been watching them for 25 years, that was the best defensive talent I've ever seen from them. I don't think it's a coincidence that in 25 years only one coach was able to bring that out. They had the number one recruiting class in the nation for next year. This is all part of coaching at the college level. Nobody else will get us to this point. If they can get someone like Sarkisian or some NFL guy instead of Tommy Rees, they will be set.

[@JonesDylan874]

THE SUN BELT CONFERENCE TOOK OVER THAT DAY

[@mkwy8782]

And the OSU faithful just may wish to come down from their lofty towers and revisit how great their team is today.

[@copocopocopocopo]

The even crazier thing about this all: Marshall turns around the next week and LOSES to Bowling Green!

[@Punz18]

Unproven staff. Lack of any depth in the offense especially at WR, lack of QB recruiting. ND has a shot at recovering once the staff figure it out, even if that means firing someone, and when they get more talented recruits on the field especially on offense. That will take 3-4 years. Swarbrick can be patient, but idk if Freeman can last that long the way he's going. Still 10 games left though. I hope Freeman figures it out, whatever it is.

[@markmilcetich6997]

Good head coach.....?

[@charlest7184]

Unfortunately for Marcus Freeman, I don't think he will make it at Notre Dame past this season.

[@pchurch4973]

That ND recruiting class is bound to fall apart if they don’t start winning

[@wlm2618]

Notre Dame is always overrated. I am proud of Marshall and the Sunbelt Conference this past weekend.

[@panchovillaMSK]

Tyrone Willingham is on a short list.

[@jeffcarroll1002]

ND will get rid of this coach after next season. The top dogs at ND know that this team is done for this year, so next year will be the test, and this coach will probably fail. I think they see it, but they will have to give this coach at least one more season after this one. That means 3 Or 4 seasons until ND sees any light.

[@xandercrews4729]

Not soon enough. Get this dipshit out at yr end and call up Urban

[@cletustrainer]

Coach Huff! Roll Tide!

[@chadr7522]

I could honestly see notre dame and Texas A&M losing every game the rest of the season except for maybe one of two games. Not saying it’s gonna happen but it could be likely

[@recklessrt]

What karma loosing to The Herd, hopefully we LSU fans won't have to listen any more to the whiney, entitled, Notre Dame fan base, especially if LSU has a winning season. Geaux Tigers!

[@Jleed989]

Big IF there

[@stevenvargo2440]

I'm gonna say I told you so!!! I'm a Michigan fan, and all I heard all offseason was how ND was raping Michigan on the recruiting trail. My response the whole time was wait until Freeman implodes in season 1; then NDs recruiting will tank! Guess what...I told you so! 0-3 Freeman's coronation last year was so overrated and the hype following him was ridiculous! Of course, ND fans will write it off as a honeymoon. Lolololololo.

[@Jleed989]

The seasons not over yet, well maybe in your mind

[@chrisbrooks6965]

Easy dub

[@R_Riley]

I felt Notre dame should of hired Minnesota PJ Fleck as HC because he is beginning to be known as team builder with less talent and being able to compete with big teams. Notre Dame had that with Brian Kelly. Kelly just did not have the formula to get them to win a National title. I felt Petersen (Boise st and Washington) and chip Kelly (Oregon) had a winning formula that could of won a title with the right situation. Notre Dame needs a clear scheme and formula that compliments offense and defense but this season shows it’s not there. The offense and defense has looked to simple. I have thought Notre dame should have ran a combination of the Baylor wide zone offense and the 2,3,4,5 shift offense Petersen ran at Boise st to be more explosive and harder for defenses to dissect. On defense I thought bringing in golden was a concern who has not called plays in a while. His defense looks to simple and is not having the sacks and turnovers needed to be top five. I was hoping ND would of hired the DC at Minnesota or Wisconsin who have smash mouth D. I could see Notre Dane winless going into UNLV. Notre Dame could be returning to a before BK averaging 6-6 seasons again. Because to be the best you must have the best formula, staff, scheme and direction the all three offense defense and special teams compliment. I do not see it.

[@ronnieam33]

N.D.'s season is OVER!!!! LMAO

[@Jaems_Scott]

OK Lou ... I think their Season was over 2 weeks ago.

[@1notredamefightingirishfan12]

❌️

[@wannabnoodles]

Best day of my life

[@davidrobert1229]

TRhey pounded the rock all day

[@moegreene7940]

The issue is the offensive scheme, development of QBs and WR, play calling, and personnel decisions. Add it all up, and one person is substantially to blame. Tommy Rees. He’s been the OC for 3-4 years, he’s the one constant. If you watch the games you would know.

[@starvedrock314]

That's a reason why I'm still not buying in to Brian Kelly at LSU. For over a decade now Kelly has refused to hire a modern offensive coordinator to maximize their talent. When's the last time Kelly has had a truly good quarterback- someone you trust to go win you a game? His start at LSU isn't inspiring confidence that that's gonna change any time soon.

[@moegreene7940]

@Chandler Russell yeah this is wrong. Bring in transfers? Who? Notre Dame has academic standards that are pretty strict. They have to be a fit academically first. Second, freeman and Rees were a package deal. Everyone knew it, as a first year coach freeman had to take Rees cause Jack Swarbrick the AD loves him as a Notre Dame grad.

[@w3txwnm8v3n]

@@moegreene7940 facts i didnt know how much people hate nd lol laugh now becuz some of yall will be crying later. alot of the haters dont understand the academic standards at nd. we will be ok no excuses here

[@kelbob00]

Commented all summer on vids that talked about ND being “good” that ND was highly overrated. You can count on one hand how many first time HCs at big time power five programs that actually lived up to or surpassed the hype. Odds were not in NDs favor. NDs QBs suck too. Suck!

[@JH-lz8pk]

NO….talent at ND.

[@1notredamefightingirishfan12]

🤣

[@fatjoe334]

Hiring a staff like Marcus freeman….. going 0-3 and it’s only getting worse… is kinda what you can expect when you try to make a PC hire. Go ask Fla St how it goes when you hire someone that isn’t ready for the keys to a Ferrari. Marcus can certainly coach and he probably should have went to a smaller school for a few years to ACTUALLY LEARN AND GROW. Nope, ND gave a 12 ye old keys to a Ferrari and the kid wrecked the car. What did they expect?????

[@someguy6212]

Yes, exactly!!!

[@79outgoing]

I hope Notre Dame give him three seasons to get better.

[@ricklyle3739]

My question is who’s responsible for ND’s lack of talent? Oh yeah, he’s now @LSU!

[@skibbyb]

Brian Kelly went 11-2 last year with that lack of talent. Messiah Freeman is now 0-3 with the same talent. Hmmmmmmm.

[@LPow58]

@@skibbyb two of those teams are twonof the top teams in the country, with Ohio St literally bring THE top team in the country. And ND was still competitive in both those games. Marshall was a hangover/letdown game.

[@skibbyb]

@@LPow58 Two words. Stan + Furd :)

[@LPow58]

@@skibbyb k

[@jasonmareno5394]

Guess I’ll be the bad guy here an tell it like it is with the 🎯Sports Sees it I told people after the bowl game loss Freeman blew the half time lead..I said if the play again a blow half time lead it’s the head coach inability to make a half time adjustment an is not a head coach..at this time needs to stick to defensive coaching. Now he blew a 3rd game in a row half time lead an lost at home to Marshall.. I tried to tell them but they didn’t listen..guess they will now..maybe maybe not!

[@aaronboggs548]

They didnt have a halftime lead Vs Marshall lol

[@Hosstache]

DELICIOUS!!!!!!

[@elliotthoward4738]

Still to good for the big ten ya still want to be independent lmao 😂 you and mich both lost to oil express lol go Buckeyes bro !

[@Jaems_Scott]

I'm no ND fan, but I'd stay independent if I were them. Why be subjugated by a socialist conference committee, when you can have free market dealing and open competition rights over your own brand? They have an endowment more than what any of these schools will make in conference throughout the entirety of their TV contracts. smh

[@alexdeborde5818]

Common Notre Dame L

[@Jaems_Scott]

I mean, yeah ... I remember them losing to South Florida and Tulsa at home, too.

[@1notredamefightingirishfan12]

I remember Notre Dame Clemson 2020

[@kevinconnor3187]

What an embarrassing team, right there with Nebraska.

[@bryantoth5249]

I'm lmao knowing the Great, Over Rated, Dometards got their little asses kicked at home by team that hasn't had a winning season for 40 years. Maybe you can beg Winningham to come back.

[@1notredamefightingirishfan12]

🤣

[@bucknut87brutus81]

ND overrated nearly every year, by the way, if you join a conference it will force you to get better and give you chance to make the CFP.

[@jerrylee8261]

Love Love Seeing ND lose. They have this stuckup attitude that they are so special altho they haven't won a FB NC since 1988 and that was with one of the best coaches in the business-Lou. They think they are too "special" to join a conference. They need to join the B10 and forget that sissy conference. If they keep on losing, the ACC and B10 may not want them. NBC may not be so hot about shelling out millions for a so-so pgm. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch. ND=a usedtawas. If they had gonads which is looking more and more doubtful, they would man up and join the SEC.

[@Jaems_Scott]

I hate ND, but that jaded rant was absurd. ND makes more TV revenue than most of the winning teams do, combined. They are a national brand. They don't need to be in a Conference. Personally I'd like to see more teams leave the socialist conference model, and go independent. Why play by a conference's rules, when they don't even value the rhetoric the spew. Let's evaluate the 13th Data point? Alabama in 2017, played FCS Mercer [having an 11 team FBS Schedule] The Tide went on to lose to Auburn during the regular season [10-1 in FBS] They did not play in the SEC Championship [12 Data points, 1 FCS, 1 Loss] Alabama went on to play for a Championship in the Playoffs. So all of the argument against the Leprechauns staying independent is weak.

[@josephmoya5098]

@@Jaems_Scott That's not true. ND doesn't release exact numbers, but at the moment, they are making about $5 million less a year than each ACC team. They are not independent because it helps them. They are independent because of tradition. And they turned down over $100 million a year for a potential of $60 million a year just to stay independent. If ND had been in the BIG 10 these last 10 years, they would have been consistently the second-best program, with several, really bad, awful years. So its not for ease of schedule. I mean, just look at this year. OSU, Clemson, BYU, USC. It is purely for tradition. Something that seems to have gone completely by the wayside to the annoyance of many fans.

[@Jaems_Scott]

@@josephmoya5098 = Actually, it is true. You are talking about TV Money by Contract. I' was referring to TV Ratings, that ND draws for the network they're on. The Ratings they draw are much higher than over half of any conference slate they would join. As per their endowment, it is around $22 Billion. So their sovereign market share, being a non-academic affiliate, is worth more than the total estimate of the entire span of any one conference member, under TV Contract.

[@josephmoya5098]

@@Jaems_Scott I see. You are correct about that. I just get tired of people saying ND does this because they are greedy or think they are better than everyone else. That's not true. They do it because ND fans like the traditions they have and don't want to watch CFB football become an NFL minor league.

[@Jaems_Scott]

@@josephmoya5098 = agreed ...

[@michaelhenry8890]

Karine Jean-Pierre hire. Nothing more nothing less.

[@aguilar69]

Surprised the black coach isn't crying Racism

[@drifterman319]

-2 interceptions thrown by Buchner, Irish win. That's obvious. Notre Dame ain't going to the big dance and neither is Marshall. Notre Dame can afford to lose two more and still salvage a season and then build on next year. Any more than that they'll probably be looking at a new coach. If they go 0-3, it will point to a catastrophic season and whatever is broken will not get fixed on the fly. So if Notre Dame is so bad and Marshall put them on skates and they have no chemistry and they couldn't run the ball; what's the reason for Marshall to gloat? You simply beat a bad team. Cause that's what's being said.

[@jasonwilliamson8416]

Because Notre Dame is Notre Dame and ain't supposed to lose to Marshall under ANY circumstances. The mighty Notre Dame should have been able to win this game with nothing but backups.

[@clowe73]

I guess the big 10 contract just became a little lighter in the wallet. Smiles.

[@tennishuffmusic9654]

And STILL CANT break the top 25? Marshall should be number 8 not the Dame....

[@devinhoyt1700]

It’s not an upset Norte dumb is in a spot they don’t belong, ranked

[@1notredamefightingirishfan12]

🤣

[@devinhoyt1700]

@@1notredamefightingirishfan12 go lose to marshal again type type type type

[@1notredamefightingirishfan12]

@@devinhoyt1700 🤣

[@1notredamefightingirishfan12]

@@devinhoyt1700 Marshall suffer another plane crash

[@devinhoyt1700]

@@1notredamefightingirishfan12 not before they stomp on notre dumb again 26-21 I think it was? Embarrassing 🤣

[@ZB-Venom-]

I’m just saying… it’s been this way for years at notre dame. All these people hype up this team and if they get any where near close to the playoffs or even when it was just the national championship with no playoff, whenever they play teams that are actually good they lose. Now it’s even worse. It is my belief they are the most overrated program in the nation. So you’re at least number 1 in something it’s just in how overrated you actually are.

[@shanekeenaNYC]

I happen to really like the Notre Dame program for its history, academic standards, prestige/lore, but seriously, this has to be one of those games where every single person inside the gates of Notre Dame Stadium stopped being Notre Dame fans live in-person. Marshall can now say that they are Notre Dame's dad, all of them! Either show some flexibility academically, it's not 1945 anymore, most all universities have decent resources, or disappear at this point.

[@SeveredLegs]

And yet, Notre Dame has been a top 10 program the past 10 years while another program with a lot of historical success hasn't been. What do you think the difference between Notre Dame and Florida State has been? Generally speaking the teams that recruit very well perform very well.

[@chadreeves403]

Honestly, they will not ever be able to compete with the transfer portal currently. Unless a graduate transfer, ND admits it is hard for undergrads to do it. Marshall got 20 plus players via transfer. I think they are pretty good actually.

[@caseymiller5257]

@@SeveredLegs the difference is one school has had a natty in the last decade and the other has not. Let me know when your overrated program actually wins a big game without someone’s QB being out.

[@SeveredLegs]

@@caseymiller5257 let me know when your team wins a big game at all.

[@caseymiller5257]

@@SeveredLegs 2013 National Championship. Now stay in your lane as the chokers.

[@tonyabbett1639]

Tommy Rees is a joke. His play calling is anemic and predictable at best.

[@jimwallace5808]

I'm over here laughing at everyone, Josh included, who thought Freeman was a good hire.

[@alphaphysique6625]

Freeman should’ve cleaned house and brought his own guys in. The OC is clearly sabotaging him in order to get his shot at the job.

[@xandercrews4729]

He wanted Rees, which shows how out of his depth he really is

[@josephmoya5098]

@@xandercrews4729 This isn't even on Rees, except maybe as a developer. What plays do you call when the middle of your O-Line is getting blasted by Marshalls D-Line. Blame him in recruiting a development. The man calls a good game.

[@xandercrews4729]

@@josephmoya5098 you glossed over his poor QB development, that’s a huge issue