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[@ChinaUnscripted]

Check out Bill Gertz’ podcast: victoryovercommunism.net Reject Alien Love, According to Mass Effect: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGfKeIGcrKd_gdE

[@jesussucgang3040]

Xi Jinping Once said, "no force can shake the status of our great mother land or stop the chinese people and nation from marching forward" Xi's statement came during the 70th anniversary of the Communist party rule A very dangerous proposition mentioning, "The Chinese people" A strategy so sweeping and encompassing the bounds beyond Communism!!!

[@Vaeldarg]

If it sounds like Mr. Gertz's words are echoing there, it might be because everything he has said has as much to do with fascism, as with communism/marxism/leninism. Neither Lenin or Mao were actually going by any of these principles promoting "the workers"; the way they use people showed they couldn't care less. It was all about power. And saying they cared about the masses was the way they got their power. Publicly: communist. Privately: fascist.

[@britanikothegreat8513]

Matthew 12:36-37. Divine question on the day of Judgment. Do you know the law or will of God?!. Psalms 44:20-21. Hebreo 4:12.

[@FreeSpeech-z6j]

C C P ARE F A S C I S T *"STATE CAPILTALISM"*

[@drrohanjacob]

So the plan to fight thr ccp is to rely on spiritual religious non sense😂

[@kingcrazymani4133]

Peter Robinson of Hoover Institution once asked Stephen Kotkin, who had spent time in Russian archives reading Stalinist Era and Cold War era documents, what the biggest surprise was. “They were really Communists,” he replied.

[@Vaeldarg]

Oh yeah, could really see how much Stalin cared about "the workers". Definately didn't only care about having power over them. "Peoples' Republic of China", "Peoples' Republic of North Korea" certainly are not just plastering that on to pretend to be supported by the people. Hmm, using labels like that just to get power, stoking nationalism, cultivating cults of personality around a dictator, where have heard that before.....let's ask the "national socialists" of Germany. /s

[@goosecouple]

"How did democracy in Hong Kong protect the people of Hong Kong when their government, due to whatever reason, changed into a tyrannical regime ??"

[@thearpox7873]

wat

[@mjouwbuis]

The part "whatever reason" is actually important here. No government model can help if a land is conquered militarily or through deception or selling out by third parties that aren't democractically elected.

[@dongforsbergli696]

❤ThanQ 🙏Mr. Bill Gertz! You're A great Hero, not only for Americans but also for the People Worldwide 🌿🌏🕊

[@suzann5312]

Opening China to the West was Nixon's biggest mistake.

[@musa7606]

Nah... It was needed at the time. Giving the PRC massive amounts of money after the fall of the USSR was the mistake.

[@nomercynodragonforyou9688]

@@musa7606 True

[@4thought___]

​@@musa7606, especially admitting them to the WTO.

[@jgdyt]

One of your best shows. Thanks!

[@TUMIDPLAGUE078]

What actual policies does china implement in its own country that are socialist or marxist? Communism is a economic and a political theory and I've felt more and more that the ccp is holding on tight to the political side of communism for power but not really the economic side.

[@musa7606]

Correct. Its much more fascist than communist. Communism is about class struggle and forcing that class struggle on other countries. There is none of that here. The CCP is just a big ol' cartel with nukes.

[@mjouwbuis]

The economy is semi-planned, also the layered implementation of the reporting system is typical for what you would see in communism.

[@alinlou9236]

Two types Ccp and then the people

[@ebenezer1690]

Bill is great, nice job gang. Now, I wish you all would have John Batchelor on. He’s the bomb diggity!

[@bossel]

10:35 "Even the Romans never claimed to own the Mediterranean Sea". Well, arguably, they did: Mare Nostrum. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mare_Nostrum Obviously, for some time, the Mediterranean actually was under Roman dominion, it was an interior sea essentially. Not something that China could claim about the SCS.

[@nomercynodragonforyou9688]

A small error in that part of the speech

[@KenSiefert]

Dictatorship….did i win?

[@edug1168]

Yes, you won

[@dannylesbile8592]

How literate is your average PLA soldier

[@sleepinglaffey3886]

They probably do get HS education. thats for sure

[@tuck-brainwks-eutent-hidva1098]

No worries about missing the eye roll, Shelly. The verbal "sigh" at the end did the truck: "... I'm Shelly Zhang...." 😏🤗 Hang in there with the wise guys -- you rock! 😎

[@xcon99]

good interview

[@timkelly4954]

If your a Capitalist ... but everyone who lives in your land cannot own anything ... then you are a King ... and everyone who lives on your land is a Slave !!!

[@blur6777]

To Chinese, there is no distinction between china the country, the people, the government, the political party, the land, the culture,... It's alll one big glob. When you criticize one, you criticize them all. Logic is not part of the DNA.

[@musa7606]

To Chinese or to the CCP? Eh? Eh?

[@mjouwbuis]

Which DNA? Not literal DNA since they don't think like that in Taiwan, or even in Hong Kong.

[@shanincoffer6455]

And STOP! being molded by this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.- Romans 12v2

[@dark_fire_ice]

A wise hawk, hides her claws

[@fahadalharbi960]

No it is not.... It is central controlled state and largely open economy.. More open thatln the USA

[@hartfordhouse6997]

Aren't the Romans famous for calling the Mediterranian "Mare Nostrum"?

[@classiclogic1693]

I really dont think this is a religious issue. I mean im athiest and still belive of the american way. And highly disagree with the ccp. But im more pro chosing whatever religion you want. Restricting people is never the way to go

[@joewhitfield5561]

Chris is so awesome, USA!

[@johneblen9172]

China is facing several huge and unavoidable internal challenges over the next decade and longer. Their leaders need to reduce defence spending, focus on their internal needs and understand one gets a lot more done with friends than with enemies!

[@MrKbtor2]

Great interview! Thanks

[@allemagneproducer]

shelly and matt are so cool! ily all!

[@siuwong4588]

30:46 Excellent point Matt! This is the “reason” some ppl used for gain power and telling others picking him/her will bring out democracy in certain countries and it just often (may be always in some countries lol) when that person got the power, he/she is definitely not going to share part of the power to ordinary people - not bringing changes

[@dannylesbile8592]

People are born to do particilar things really well almost any kind of profession occupation you can think of someone is born for it but both systems put people into things they're not built for n you get a restless cynical population the key is helping to put young people in situations where they can discover their true talent n prosper from it not what they feel moment to moment but allow them the room for trial n error so they can find their true talent

[@A_Haunted_Pancake]

I think Gertz is a perfect example for the fact, that you can be able to see the flaws in a system, but that doesn't mean your ideas for a solution aren't bull hicky. In that aspect he ironically mirrors many a Communist. P.S.: I actually laughed out loud when he seemed to want to mark the "debate" between the earth-centred and sun-centred worldviews down as something, that made Christianity look good.

[@AllTerpsNoBrakes]

Matt Conesta or however you spell it for president!

[@nomercynodragonforyou9688]

Yes, but they're not economic Socialists. Good guest, but he needs to cleanup some of the errors he made when comparing China and Europe, or the other analogies he used throughout the interview.

[@QuizLing-fz2rz]

It's quite perplexing and even frustrating to continually hear commentators, both professional and amateur, gifting the CCP a veneer of prestige as an ideology. The more time has passed since Marx's works on communal productivity, dictatorship of the proletariat etc....the less Marxist/Communism has been practised by governments in the past 150 years. Since its founding, the mechanism of how the CCP functions is more akin to gangsterism than any organised creed. The elite few at the top "struggle" against each other for supremacy, and the bottom 99.9% are bribed/threatened/or harassed to remain in the good graces of whoever flexes the most muscle at any given time.

[@Thatninetykid]

This has stopped showing up in my feed

[@user-martinpd]

People embrace the power they know. I can't help the broader, non-royalist You throw dirt at the Reds

[@pablosskates7067]

The moment he started tapping on about religion I checked out. Fuck that shit.

[@geraldnordstrom3243]

Communism/Capitalism invented/Controlled by same crew

[@mjouwbuis]

Around 35:00 I made a remark about the misuse of science as a struggle to underpin religion... But the rant goes further down into the rabbithole. Now science needs to prove there's only 2 genders (because that's somehow relevant - it's only relevant because some people made it their struggle to prove otherwise which still isn't relevant anyway). He's treating science like religion (or marxism) by first determining the goal and then working (or struggling) towards it. It's not that Marxism is suddenly good if you use it to struggle towards rightist instead of leftist goals.

[@zaius68]

No offence but this guest seems like a total clown, mixing personal religion and political agenda to further his own views and bashing others which has nothing remotely close to do with the topic at hand.

[@dannylesbile8592]

When I heard of a CCP police station in a neighborhood I lived in n am at around 3x a week I regretted they didn't try me someone who openly opposses any authority except nature reality n the truth n is an old school outlaw I would have closed it down with 2 friends tops

[@scottmarquardt3575]

The wolf killed snowball. And he's going to start out taking the Pacific Ocean. Glad to see Japan wants to save their washing machines.

[@mjouwbuis]

Making a lot of sense, but the religious quasi scientific rant around 35:00 in, may do the cause more harm than good. It's just like marxism but then declaring that science is a struggle and the most recent goal is to underpin religious values. Spoiler alert: you don't want to do take that route unless you want to end up in a 100 years where China is now. Just have a look at other countries who currently underpin their atrocious regime with religion instead of atheism. The common theme is autoritarian leaders and expansion of influence, not so much religion versus atheism. The reason why is really simple: in order to stay in power they need to choose a concept (whichever suits them best) and then double down on it, because the other route would allow for competition. A religous leader needs to control the state church (Putin, Iran, etc), an atheist leader needs to ban every religion and control what's left of it (Xi).

[@tomsewell2462]

Why does everybody say; "With Chinese characteristics."?

[@musa7606]

Because that what the CCP says.. "Communism... With Chinese characteristics."

[@fanaticforager6610]

☂️

[@dannylesbile8592]

You mean the only wealthy country with the worst standard of living

[@b.s.864]

He was doing so well. Then he had to dive into theology.

[@nomercynodragonforyou9688]

That's what made it cringe

[@sheldonwheaton881]

@1:12 nice segue way!

[@nyanray]

This got weirdly religious

[@Thekowaikaiju]

It has been my unprofessional observation (through the lens of historical hindsight) that Communism has never truly been done.

[@allemagneproducer]

my teacher told me communism is basically a great concept but doesnt really seem to work out as intended/promoted

[@regretabletangibility]

And never will, with current human beings in place/existence.

[@musa7606]

True communism had been done... Over and over and over. The results never came because communism involves enslaving the nation and that means killing and oppression. Ultimately either the state becomes a totalitarian nightmare or reverts to a 1 party capitalist state (like Vietnam).

[@nomercynodragonforyou9688]

Because when tried, it fails

[@teridacktaljones4553]

🐼

[@Ozymandius_corn_maze]

This talk about athiesm being communist and a specific religion being necessary to have a free society seems reactionary to me. Freedom of religion I would absolutely agree with. But let's not pretend a totalitarian regime can't be centered on a religious ideology.

[@tdkolton]

😀

[@Kapitanvonkrapp]

Was interesting until it became preachy about “the creator”.

[@nomercynodragonforyou9688]

True

[@ramraichandani3425]

ywhenyou make money you are a capitalists.

[@HenryLebensbaumLaw]

You were doing well until you mentioned the illusory and non-existent measure of scientism. You completely misunderstand that concept. There are other concepts that exist and have existed to explain this enigma

[@Vaeldarg]

That was clearly the point where he thought "Ok, now to push my own ideology's narrative." One of those trying to say that science is somehow also religious, even as they ride the coat-tails of science's credibility by trying to say religion involves science (something something, quantum this or that...).

[@ghlscitel6714]

Chyna never ever was communist.

[@ngantnier]

Were they ever?

[@Some_who_call_me_Tiim]

1:03:04 🇹🇼

[@britanikothegreat8513]

Genesis 3:9-13?!. Hebreo 5:13. Proverb 22:6. Isaiah 54:13-17. Leviticus 5:17. Jeremiah 8:1-9?! . Ezekiel 1:1-28. Revelation 4:1-8 Holyquestion?!. Holylove!!! Holydeed - endless question one answer. Vincent. Morning has broken. Psalms 144:9. Hebreo 4:12.

[@HavingCoffieWithMrSatan]

Mr Satan said the reeeeeerrrchina

[@pbworld7858]

The usual FLG/NTD claptrap

[@HenryLebensbaumLaw]

It's amazing how little you know about physics and astrophysics and how you draw random unfettered, almost idiotic conclusions without foundation. If the expert speaks without expertise, then you are no expert

[@matthewyocom56]

WHAT IS YOUR EXPERTISE? TALKING 💩?!?! 😂

[@zzzzzsleeping]

He was talking GEOPOLITICS, IDEOLOGY AS WELL AS BEHAVIOR. You are talking physics and astrophysics which he never mentioned in the interview.