Dealership Gave Up On This $18,000 UTV Bought At Auction. How Bad Could It Be?

[@RoyNobes]

To everyone one watching, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 👍

[@nigelb50]

To you also

[@DenHvideHund]

You too buddy

[@michellecarberry1020]

Merry Christmas from Newfoundland

[@bigjay6743]

Merry Christmas northern Ontario

[@nigelb50]

North Wales, UK

[@Andy_Hinners]

56:55 When cranking with the oil/water pump cover off, it looked like there was significant blow by from the rear cylinder. It was puffing out of the case.

[@brianmooney7009]

Merry Christmas to all the 2vintage subscribers. Damn plastic gears. wtf.

[@scott3708]

So at 10:19 there's ya clue. Melted starer cables = over draw on starter. What causes starter to draw too much current? Decompression broke or engine friction.

[@MrCelticatheart]

could not agree more!

[@theshiv5288]

For only 500 miles this manufacturer appears to be pretty bad. And for $18,000.00 it’s absolutely criminal. Godspeed brother if anyone has the patience to sort this out it’s you.

[@BA0701]

Brother, first off, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours! Given this is two straight UTVs with almost the exact same issue, but very different causes, there is nobody better to solve this puzzle. Love your videos, very educational, thank you for always sharing them with us!

[@StevenLetham-vu4kg]

This is the best thing on KZbin absolutely love it, looking forward to the next episode

[@michaellacharite9791]

and we wait for part 2 after Christmas.. always fun to see the follow-up repairs. Happy Holidays everyone!!

[@neutonrenda2303]

What a bad idea with that plastic gear again. I'm thinking that an oil journal is blocked maybe causing it to starve one of the bearings, or the lack of the pump would definitely be a problem if it ran long enough to melt the guide. Looking forward to seeing what you find. Merry Christmas to everyone.🎄❤️

[@matthewfort3740]

It's time for a full tear down. It might have a spun bearing due to oil starvation because of the gear being messed up. With all that plastic in the engine, you will need to clean out all the oil passages.

[@felixcat9318]

That someone actually paid $18,000 for that in 2021is really quite difficult to comprehend! The depreciation rate is of a magnitude far lower than the Journey of Jules Verne...

[@CJRSBK]

Cheap shit as well so badly made

[@wisecampmotorcycles8258]

Yep, Chinese junk 😂

[@frenchbulldogdad1003]

I just watched a video the other day on the Can Am Outlander 1000XMR and it was almost $20,000! That's absolutely fckn insane! These companies are charging ridiculous prices!

[@felixcat9318]

@@frenchbulldogdad1003 Strangely, people will pay these ludicously exorbitant prices and be subject to the catastrophic depreciation costs. At least with established, respected manufacturers from Japan, Canada and the USA the buyer gets a quality product, but buying Chinese manufactured machines at those prices is insanity.

[@felixcat9318]

@CJRSBK This is absolutely spot on! Paying a higher price for a machine from an established, respected manufacturer from the USA, Canada or Japan is understandable, but for these Chinese made vehicles, no way.

[@Andy_Hinners]

57:42 to 57:53 There is something visible that is rotating with the engine. However, keep watching after Joe quits cranking there is something else that sags down almost 1/2 inch. Look through the slot on the RHS of the area covered by the case he's removed

[@RT-vo2vh]

I searched quick and immediately saw horror stories about this machine failing 50 diff ways with low low miles ... but you get to sit on a heated seat as you cry about the $18k loan thats still due 😢😢

[@charlesgraham9954]

back in the mid 2000 i fought tooth and nail with Kawasaki over a Mule i purchased. took me 18 months to get my money back for that lemon that didn't even work a week, then another two years fixing my credit due to default on payment for that pile of sh!t. i never bought a Kawasaki product again. Kawasaki made it feel like i was dealing with a shady used car salesman. great vid as always.

[@kellykramer2237]

The deadskip while it is cranking sounds like piston issue. Maybe oil starved and worked into the cylinder wall. Great videos!

[@michaelbrinks8089]

Ya, I would have used a bore scope camera when the plugs were out.

[@stanRmeyer]

@@michaelbrinks8089 yes in the past I have suggested Joe use a borescope and show us the inside of cylinders

[@stanRmeyer]

When I saw the water pump gears, I thought, uh-oh piston and cylinder walls are scarred, lots of friction.

[@greghanlon2235]

Wow. "Based on information from the Better Business Bureau, ODES Industries, the company behind ODES UTVs, is considered to be out of business." Best of luck with the Odes lemon. Thanks for the video and take of your back.

[@C-C-777]

Times like this a borescope would really help Joe.... Merry Christmas everyone!🎉

[@ListerineFresh]

I haven’t cared about quads since the 90s and I love these videos. Each one is a mystery I’m trying to solve myself. Good job Joe!

[@shuttle357]

I'm starting to think Massimo's quality is junk! I see more & more of their stuff breaking down!

[@gutsngorrrr]

When testing things like the earth connection, you need to test it with a loaded circuit, such as using a test light, as this will show a poor connection better than just checking the resistance. For a heavier load use car headlight bulbs and make your own test kit.

[@MrRupus2020]

You're spoiling everyone with all of these videos. An Odes! Awesome! Basically a Cf Moto.

[@Kiltylake]

The voltage goes down because the starter is drawing down the voltage. If you want to check the solenoid check voltage drop across the two terminals when cranking. It should be close to zero volts.

[@kpdvw]

$ 18000 is the price for a Car with heater, AC, windows, doors. not some half plastic open lawn chair lawn mower engine powered PoS....!

[@glennbelliveau169]

Only 500 miles shouldn’t it still be under warranty? Least you should get free parts. You’ll figure it out. Let your subconscious work on the problem for a little while. Love your videos, have a happy holiday Joe.

[@mikemorton6219]

Not if it I'd a repo.

[@hulashark6525]

Merry Christmas. Wish I could tell how much I use your wisdom. Keep up the awesome work.

[@johnb5519]

A four brush starter is more powerful, it looks like they cheaped out using a two brush starter. Spin the oil pump with a drill to see if oil pumps up to the top end.

[@fluxline3464]

no oil on the cam chain edit, he gets to that

[@philjenkins2320]

In a previous episode with these plastic gears a sub wrote that he had a machine shop make him steel gears. Maybe its time to look into that. Merry Christmas Joe and to all the subs! And to Vinny too.

[@Cracketooth]

What about george, The baby. And jade?

[@eraant1]

By the looks of it that has ran for a long time with no water pump or oil pump working! The engine must have been really hot for the chain guide to melt. I would say you should take the cams out and see if there is any damage to either of the cams or the journals they run in. If there is that engine is scrap and you should probably just look for an engine.

[@buffdoc46]

Starter is still slow, but it may have overheated and hurt the bearings for sure. Lack of oil and heat.

[@danelldecker3696]

Having a friend that works in the dealership really helps with finding those brand new projects. You’re getting quite the collection of SxS impressive indeed

[@1990smitch]

Im thinking that it quit oiling and dried out the cylinder and the piston is dragging from lack of oil

[@realliferepair9285]

If that cam chain guide is worn bad enough the chain could still feel tight but it may be throwing it out of time during rotation so you have a valve not opening at the right time,just a thought.

[@joshwilson8313]

You sounded really disappointed that the starter looked perfect lol

[@nickgruber2593]

Nice I was just watching your old video on a $2500 Yamaha banshee! Keep it up 👍

[@LilYeshua]

I'll go get some popcorn for the next video. Same bat time same bat channel 😅

[@dinosaur6756]

A $16k payment? Knowing dealers, he probably owed more than $20k after all the b.s. fees and bogus warranties they add on. Hopefully, it's just too high compression, making it crank slow, and it's an easy fix. Decompression mechanism, valves too tight, or timing adjustment might just fix her right up. Good luck. Btw, heated seats? Imagine that while ice fishing. I think this one would be a keeper for me because of the heated seats. Sell two others and keep this one. You might even be able to get your beautiful wife to come with you more often with heated seats.

[@ianhorabin9763]

Yeah looks like oil pump failure maybe due to a blocked mesh/oil filter,so the camchain giude melted & destroyed the plastic drives..I would strip & clean it anyway & see if theres anymore damage inside just to be safe..Ian..UK..

[@Andy_Hinners]

I think you're onto to something with the order in which the carnage happened. Oiling was the first to fail. Melted guides and gears are the result of no oiling.

[@williamrarick6272]

Wish I could find those deals!! lol Merry Christmas!! Just a note, your voltage is not going be the same cranking as it is at rest. IF the problem is compression release, the starter is having to work harder than it normally would. Voltage will drop approximately 2 volts during cranking, up to 3 volts on the initial starter engagement IF everything is normal. If it is cranking slowly the FIRST thing to check is what the amperage draw is. The harder it is to crank, the higher the amperage draw, the more voltage it will use. Voltage and amperage reflect each other. It probably is the compression release, but remember it could also be the starter. IF the starter is worn out due to excessive cranking, the starter itself could be the cause of the excessive draw. Have a good one!!

[@CJRSBK]

You wouldn't want to they look good but they are rubbish....so badly made cheap shit

[@kpdvw]

all the time I am screaming: "Pull the spark plug out and see how fast it cranks " !!!

[@dieseldave21]

You should watch a few videos from Pine Hollow auto diagnostics PAD, Ivan can show you some proper ways of testing for low draw ,voltage drop, you could benefit from investing in an amp clamp and making a couple of different amp rated test lights.

[@rickharper1497]

Merry Christmas! We'll be waiting for the next video.

[@tmcd366]

Our boy Joe needs a cordless right angle impact stat!

[@Toolman999999]

My guess is the connecting rod bearing is done. Under compression load, it tightens. The engine has to been running for a long time without oil pressure until it overheated. Therefore, the attached waterpump parts.

[@PeterDurrant]

Have a good rest. Merry Christmas and keep up the good work in the New Year👍

[@noel2115]

Keep recovering buddy, IT IS YOUR JOB!

[@GrowOhighO]

The battery acts like a bad cell in it and your starter solenoid is rusty replace both and it will start like new.Great video!

[@DunnMotors]

Dang! Moss came along way, jeeze! 18k and all those fancy things, that's pretty impressive. When I think of that brand, I think of those little $2500 jeeps. Looks like $3000 worth of parts worst case scenario. I don't think you can go to wrong with that.

[@minnesotatomcat]

I don’t hate that flip up front end design, makes it very nice for maintenance when everything is accessible. This one seems a little more well thought out than most china rigs.

[@joefin5900]

Joe, your videos would be better if you sped up those portions where you loosen/tighten multiple fasteners on an assembly. Otherwise great job educating us. Merry Christmas!

[@randygregg1488]

Great videos! I try and catch most of them as I like to tinker with this stuff - I must say though, you should watch a few videos on how to properly tie down a quad and/or utv. Keep the videos coming!

[@rcclassiccrawlers4368]

Merry Christmas to Joe, family and all subs! As far as diagnosis. Man, it’s gotta be something internal or a decompression release. I know you didn’t find one ,but it doesn’t mean there isn’t one. I know a lot of these guys hate Chinese products and I don’t care for Massimo products myself, but I bought a 22’ CFMOTO zforce 950ho 2 years ago and I haven’t had any problems with it at all. Always starts, always runs great!

[@dennisbagatin4480]

The name under the vin says it all lol.

[@1990smitch]

They have came a long way with quality, I've have several side by side both Chinese and Polaris and the name brand has left me stranded more than my off market ones

[@almostthere2024]

You are pumping them out, brother. Love it. 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@wisecampmotorcycles8258]

Two videos a week ain't pumping them out bro 😅

[@almostthere2024]

Well, hey there, shade guy. He's been on a great run over the past couple of weeks. These hour-long episodes are great, and I'm sure they take a fair bit of work to crank out. Just throwing some gratefulness his way. Merry Christmas, guy.

[@almostthere2024]

... it's been three episodes in the last 6 days....

[@Videowatcher2.0]

Tight valves, compression release?I know that you will win!

[@DrFelch]

Standing by for part 2, brother. ✊🏻

[@dowdawg]

500 miles no oil or water. Still have high compression. You can only assume bad bearings. But what caused gears to fail? You gotta go till you find cause, or risk it doing it again after putting all the work in. When things fail at 500 miles, could be as bad as motor being built out of specs? Should be some factory help in paying for Repair!!

[@bobb6342]

It’s Chinese so good luck in that !,

[@dinosaur6756]

The first thing I would do is check that little pin for wear on the decompression mechanism. Then valve clearances. Wouldn't that be crazy if it was the same problem as a couple of videos ago? In fact, jump straight to setting the valves at 3/1000 and see what happens.

[@jamessullivan9468]

Man can learn so much from this guy , thanks for the videos bro

[@FrankPerkins]

What a piece of junk. The most critical part to protect the engine is made of plastic

[@wisecampmotorcycles8258]

Chinese junk 😂😂

[@LilYeshua]

I would upgrade the battery and starter cables to a meatier gauge. There shouldn't be that much of a voltage drop with the properly sized cables. The starter could be defective. The fact that the battery cable insulation is melted shows high current draw. Is there an oiling spray bar for the cam chain?

[@user-mp2qj6rs9c]

Bingo I'm screaming that sounds like a bad starter all day

[@tonyaxeman4381]

The effect of a road beating before total break in. The lack of oil to that one cylinder is the main cause . The head looks a bit roasted and toasted .

[@darylmc123]

Been watching Joe for years but in the last few years his videos keep on coming he should well be on 1miln subs 👌 merry Xmas and new year when it comes 🎉to

[@2jzfox...]

The real Mystery Machine. Good luck Joe

[@markferguson4255]

Merry christmas joe. You know what has to be done which sux. It's odd that starter only had 8-9 volts in the engine, must be a small short? But I hate to think the engine has been 🎄

[@Niljakas_Paskamaha]

Good Luck and Merry Christmas 🎅🎅🎅🎅🎅

[@noel2115]

Sweet ass vids man, clever work, merry Christmas!

[@72mmALKYDRAGGIN]

Yo joe and fam! Happy holidays Frm CHICAGO

[@BEEZ-R]

🖐️ gotta be the heated seats causing the issue 🤣🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️. Merry Christmas Joe and all the watchers !!! ✊

[@johnb5519]

Disconnect the power to the starter from the solenoid and then check the voltage. The starter straining causes a voltage drop, that's why the reading is low when you were cranking it.

[@bevis226]

Made by Shandong ODES Industry Co., Ltd. China. There's your problem. The HUGE problem is that they cost WAY WAY to much and ODES just like CF MOTO only make a limited amount of parts for them and only for about 5 years. After the parts are all gone? lol Good Luck. Most of the parts for the 2014 CFMOTO CForce 800 that I just sold are now unavailable. Some parts such as the water pump, fuel pump, fuel petcock ect ect are still used by CFMOTO but even those small parts can be difficult to find.

[@97delkron]

on harley/ss engines they use electric decompression valves. start button energizes solenoid that opens a small valve in head which bleeds off compression while cranking. when engine starts release start button and compression closes the valve, i have no clue what type of system this machine has but i would think it has some type of decompression system. but... with no functioning water/oil pump..... i have very little hope the bottom end survived.

[@michaelapodaca5296]

I was thinking the same thing. Harley starting using a electic solenoid type decompression valve, I believe with the 103 cid engines.

[@davessparetime83]

I am surprised you didn't pay more attention to the dry valvetrain on that one cylinder. Hope valves weren't open when you cranked the motor with that cylinder timing chain off.

[@franksmodels29]

Another cool and wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas 🎄and a Happy New Year 🎉 along with all the other subscribers enjoy the Holidays 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@stkyfngrszmooth]

From an anesthetic standpoint, this is a thing of beauty. Great score if you can figure her out. (Obviously, I haven't watched the video yet)

[@TheUniversalEyes]

I feel bad for people who are spending $18,000+ on an UTV and even worse for those who spend over $41,000 (El Jefe RG Edition) only to think they can go through anything with them and watch them blow up, then have to try and get them fixed by the dealer who laughed all the way to the bank and has no intention of honoring the warranty.

[@LawsonLyons-j9b]

I could be wrong but I think the starter bad

[@paulym5814]

I’d never waste a dime on one of these Chinese money pits.

[@edekoka6267]

There is an electrical fault somewhere because the thick cable insulation has melted. A large current was probably flowing through the wire before the fuses.The starter rotor touches the stator.The high current drags the rotor under load.The corrosion is visible on the stator.

[@MarkLeamy-c5y]

Too much work needed to get done in one episode Joe not your fault happy Christmas from Warwick UK

[@TrumpDesantis-zm3kg]

Are you really surprised it broke down after 500 miles? It's made in CHINA!!!

[@SimonVA99]

As a European, if you asked me 5 years ago if I would be driving an American car today (or a Chinese for that matter) I would have died laughing, but here I am today driving a Tesla…

[@bigjay6743]

Honestly with those China jobs usually the engines are the only thing that last Just everything else falls apart around it. But then that's the Honda clones this is a whole new ball and chain.

[@micksterboone4517]

@@SimonVA99 Awesome car! I recently rode in one and was blown away by the engineering and performance.

[@duaneklein4924]

Always great content! Like getting a Christmas present early!

[@MrColinshine37]

Looking forward to next video. Merry Christmas from Colin from Ireland.

[@maddtech348]

Usually when u hear that little skip kinda sound when cranking its usually a motor problem. I heard it when u very first tried starting it for us. Try paying attention for that in Future.

[@kostaskoulaxidis3573]

Check your camshafts, i think one of them (or both) have damage causing friction. One clue is the first cylinder you check compression cranking very slow.

[@timray1827]

Merry Christmas Joe and Family

[@jerrydespaltro4023]

When i was working at a dealership, nobody would ever admit they were hung up on a job. Saying you can't fix it was never an option!

[@lrrromicronpersei8294]

Hope everyone has a great Xmas or holiday thanks for all the great content this year i think there are going to be bearing issues or potential bore issues with the cylinders starving for oil like that… hopefully it won’t be too bad looking forward to finding out tho

[@1005musichugger]

Volt drop on power and earths, and amp draw on starter is port of call.

[@michaelanthony3816]

Your battery may have a bad cell ck load drop with a dc multimeter. Going below 10 v is a good indicator while trying to start.good luck how old is battery put on load tester.

[@MrTruckerf]

It does have a lot of fancy stuff on it. I see the list price for a new one is now $22,000.

[@johnb5519]

Looks like the guy at the dealer knew the score. They have a certain margin to make it worth while, and if they spend more time than what that is, they can't waste it.

[@alans.4658]

Heated seats, great he could keep warm waiting for a tow😂

[@Seansworld17]

You can place a dial indicator in the spark plug hole with the piston at TD center and turn the crank back and forth by hand that will tell you how much play is between the bearing to crank and or connecting rod.

[@extremeskeighter]

Try some MMO marvel mystery with ATF in both cylinders before tear down work it. In Likely have light galling. Nice work as always.

[@randoir1863]

Damn , a rare video where the problem isn't diagnosed and fixed by the end . I'll be looking for the follow-up video in the next week or so . Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and Happy NewYear !!!

[@GolfingDon]

I waited the whole video hoping you would do this....The positive lead from the battery to solenoid. It's burnt. Could be huge voltage drop under load. I noticed you add the jump pak before this cable too. Replace that cable or add the jump pak directly to the solenoid eliminating the melted positive cable.

[@JanneRanta]

If you get this fixed it'll be a great work horse for your farm 👍

[@thomashaas2929]

You should check vale adjustment . Sounds like decompression mechanism isn't engaged because of sloppy valve adjustment .

[@CJRSBK]

WTF with only 500 miles 😂😂😂😂

[@AvocatDude]

He did check valve clearances

[@CJRSBK]

@@AvocatDude I can't believe these heaps of shit need valves checking with 500 miles .....cheap Chinese Garbage