GoPro Max 2 Leaked: KILLER FEATURE speculation!

[@360vroomers]

At 12:46 I made a mistake and omitted part of the video. I meant to say that the insta360 x4 8k mode uses its quad bayer sensor’s high resolution mode. X4 is not native 8k, so it has less detail than a native 8k sensor.

[@TomyTekOutdoors]

I had my Max for a while and tried to wait for the Max 2. I end up getting the X4. I hope the Max 2 is worth the wait for everyone that is waiting.

[@360vroomers]

@@TomyTekOutdoors I hope so too. It seems gopro is betting the farm on it.

[@AttractionSpot]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the new GoPro Max because the new GoPro 13 and the smaller hero just dropped which is 2 new cameras and it's got those same similar lines/fins on the front of the camera. The GoPro 13 says you can get with the new batteries 2.5 hours of continual recording which if those are cooling fans then that's one thing but otherwise I call bull crap on that because even the 11 I can't say about the 12 when you're recording in 4K it overheats and shuts off.

[@Senthiil]

GoPro Max 2 really needs to include Bluetooth audio and external audio support this time around. It's a feature many users have been waiting for a long time

[@360vroomers]

I think so but I’m not holding my breath. Nick’s statement is that they want to take time to ensure that the 360 camera delivers on “the GoPro promise”. I think the GoPro promise is that it works great as an action cam. I wouldn’t be totally surprised if it didn’t have an external mic option, Bluetooth or otherwise.

[@RocaTT1456]

Bluetooth audio is shit, worse than a phone call.

[@camposvazquez]

​@@360vroomersability to run an external mic? Possibly making their software easier to use.. removable/replaceable lenses? Ability to use it in hero mode? Possibly record in hero mode for each lense independently of each other? Better resolution still pics?

[@360vroomers]

@@camposvazquez it may have those features but those features don’t cost hundreds of millions to add. So there’s still a question of where the money was invested.

[@CaptainRetriever]

Insta has it, but it’s garbage compared to using your mic’s actual receiver. I won’t buy anything go pro.. swollen batteries, overheating, crashes, accessories causing crashes, poor editing software, etc. They were king until their CEO stripped it and failed to innovate

[@AttractionSpot]

I just want better low light for either the regular GoPro or the GoPro Max. That's the one thing they're lacking on. Don't get me wrong they've improved on a little bit but it's still very lacking and that's the one thing over higher frame rates, higher 8K quality, or other new features I would have that over anything else and buy it immediately.

[@Coli272]

getting the highest possible Image quality should be the thing GoPro should put their focus on. Maybe even work with a reputable lens company like Zeiss, Leica or whatever brand name is hot right now and write it big on the case. GoPro have always been very overpriced and their competitors DJI and insta360 will not move aside now very easily, especially as their respectable products are at least in my opinion far superior and more innovative.

[@360vroomers]

I think having very high image quality is definitely important for gopro. As for partnering with a reputable company that sounds like a great idea. And I agree DJI and Insta360 are tough competitors for GoPro.

[@yuidfbse]

I think the real breakthrough on 360 consumer cameras will be them using 1" sensors with resolutions above 10k or 12k, finally outputting high quality video in low light and true 4k comparable IQ after edited and reframed. We are still a few years away from that though the technology is right here right now already and has been for a while.

[@360vroomers]

For that to be possible, the sensor would have to be 6700 x 5000. But there is no such sensor yet. Who knows, in the future.

[@lhl]

Hopefully GoPro can improve their software experience. Reframing has always been the killer feature for 360 (especially as VR continues to languish) and having automatic syncing, editing, subject following etc would be really useful. Software is where GoPro can really have a defensible advantage - especially with the advancements in AI, you could imagine GoPro (or someone else, based on their software track record) doing fantastic image segmentation, or 3D scene generation (splatting/meshing etc)...

[@360vroomers]

I agree software is really important for 360. As for whether gopro can leapfrog insta360 in software, that’s quite difficult. But we’ll see.

[@MrPlaneTalk]

What would be really cool (and surprising) is if the "Max 2" actually unfolded to produce 3D capability (like my beloved EVO). I wish 3D was more prevalent, and I wish I could figure out an EASY way to watch my 3D EVO video on my Meta Quest 3.

[@360vroomers]

@@MrPlaneTalk I love 3d but after decades of waiting, I’ve given up on any possibility of it ever becoming mainstream. I suggest either qoocam ego or using an iPhone that has spatial video mode.

[@Zakumemory]

what they need to focus on is color volume and processing out noise to give a more clear picture.

[@StewartBell-im8qg]

I see GoPro have discontinued the GoPro Max on their website.

[@360vroomers]

@@StewartBell-im8qg the plot thickens…

[@StewartBell-im8qg]

I think the ship has sailed as far as 360 devices go.

[@360vroomers]

@@StewartBell-im8qg maybe, maybe not. I think gopro MIGHT have something significant for 360 in its next 360 camera

[@Pete_R63]

I'm guilty of owning the MAX since it came out but I still haven't gotten around to using it. I just keep using my Insta360 cameras.

[@360vroomers]

@@Pete_R63 wow you will soon have a bigger 360 camera collection than me! 😄

[@Insomn]

Killer feature? It could flip open for VR180. The GoPro max was a good camera for it's time 5 years ago except for 1 thing: NO SOFTWARE. That's right, GoPro never made software to cut and stitch together 360 video. They only let you reframe and export flat video, and only on the phone. On PC you can only export the footage as a full panorama - no editing, no cutting, no stitching, no adding soundtracks. It's seriously sad. I had told myself I would never buy gopro again until they had a proper editing program for the PC. But Unfortunately the other 360 options arent perfect either.

[@360vroomers]

I would be so happy if that's the killer feature but i think it's very unlikely. OTOH, canon does have a prototype of a hybrid camera like that. Hopefully they do release it. Re software, the GoPro Player stitches either in 360 or reframed. You can also trim the video. Re soundtracks, it can't do that. Instead you would need an editor like davinci resolve.

[@piotr433]

However editing tools are very limited (reframing - rotation and zoom, also geometry and cutting), in GoPro Player on PC you can edit and export a "flat" video in FHD native resolution or 4K upscaled. On the upper side of the screen, you chan choose between 360 and flat editing modes.

[@_Oregon_Sunday_Drives_360]

Automatic in camera re-framing is NOT of interest or a priority to me as a creator, I still want to manually re-frame my shoots (Zoom level [FOV], angle). Pixel count is important to me but equally so is pixel size (i.e. sensor size). All that R&D and the App is still crap ... GoPro MUST improve (🌐360°) PC & App editing software. I have (multiple of) both the GoPro Max and GoPro Fusion (Plus many other 🌐360° cams [X2, X4, RS1, ERA, Vuze, Sphere, more]. GoPro post production processing/editing software is the WORST. GoPro has made minor and far between improvements (i.e. SLOW). I will still buy the new MAX 2 (just because) but I will likely not use it as much as other brands if the post processing does not significantly improve. The GoPro Fusion (IMO) produces a better image than the GoPro Max, however, post processing the Fusion is SLOW. Though now, using HIGH END computers with NVIDIA 4090, the Fusion post processing (stitching speed) is dramatically improved, if you have the latest beta camera firmware & latest beta PC APP (GoPro Fusion Studio 1.4). The GoPro Fusion Studio 1.4 PC App NOW FINALLY takes advantage of the 4090 and makes stitching speeds close to X4 stitching speeds, but the GoPro Fusion Studio 1.4 editing is still non-existent (but CAN be cleverly tricked into Insta360 Studio) . GoPro Max stitching/editing is better than Fusion, but not much. The very last secret beta camera firmware for the Fusion bumped its resolution up AND that DID improve image clarity beyond the MAX. My best use of GoPro Max is with GoPro Labs and the MASSIVE quantity of features the GoPro Labs adds! Great as a 🌐360° game cam or 🌐360° security cam or 🌐360° dash cam. My best use of a GoPro Fusion is for B-Roll (often on a chesty for lens-risky close up work, it excels in quality and is an affordable risk). Bottom line, GoPro needs to improve the external editing experience to a competitive level. The camera just simply needs to record the best image possible, and the app should do the rest of the work effortlessly.

[@360vroomers]

I’m sure gopro will enable a normal 360 mode that will enable you to edit to your heart’s content.

[@thomza]

Great video. You have my hopes up. I've been holding out for the Max2. I hope Nick is right and it's worth the wait.

[@360vroomers]

Thanks buddy! I'm really crossing my fingers bec tbh i think it's do or die for GoPro!

[@Senthiil]

Fantastic, great research! I've been waiting a long time for MAX 2.

[@360vroomers]

@@Senthiil thanks! 🙏 let’s see how it goes

[@Jcool721]

Thanks, awesome analyze. Welcome back GoPro, we are waiting :-)

[@360vroomers]

Thanks! I’m really curious to see what they have in store for us!

[@eBoard3R]

*Another great video* 🤟🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽🤟🏽 ps, you're lookin younger and younger in each new video!

[@360vroomers]

@@eBoard3R thanks buddy! 😀 fortunately im getting more sleep 😂

[@Cake...]

I've been travelling for 3 months now and have literally only been using the Max, resorting only to the Hero 12 when the Max overheats or if I need to shoot in lowlight. A Max 2 with higher resolution and heat sink would be a boon. Plus a supercomputer...

[@360vroomers]

@@Cake... that’s awesome! I feel the same way - I hardly feel the need to use a regular action cam whenever I have my 360 cameras. Let’s see what Nick has in store for us!

[@z352kdaf8324]

Why is your MAX overheating? Are you using the Enduro battery?

[@Cake...]

​​@@z352kdaf8324I've been filming in SE Asia where temperatures are high. Even then it's not a big issue as I get good record times before it shuts down. Gopro Max really is a quality camera.

[@conradk]

This was a really interesting discussion. Thank you.

[@360vroomers]

@@conradk glad you liked it!

[@Windsurfingaddict]

Insta 360 has really been very good in bringing out so many models and yearly updates where G0 pro 360 has only one model. I have bought insta x2 x3 and x4 and big improvements every time for and that makes money for the company and Go pro have really missed out. Yes I own Go pro 4 and 7 but 360 for me is a game changer, go pro 360 software is in the dark ages sadly compared to insta phone app and laptop studio. I’ll be interested on the specs to see if it can compete with X4 reliability, 1 inch sensor would be nice and no overheating when using as a sports action camera 🥳

[@360vroomers]

You’re totally right. And I think that’s why insta360 is so impressive. They innovate at a very fast pace. It’s really remarkable for such a tiny company. Hopefully GoPro didn’t waste its r&d money. Let’s see.

[@Windsurfingaddict]

Well I’ll be waiting to see if spending all that money has been worth it 🥳🥳

[@360vroomers]

@@Windsurfingaddict they bet the farm on this 360 camera… this is the most important product in their history.

[@vlazielrodriguez9351]

If they are able to beat X4 specs, be reliable and MORE IMPORTANTLY cost about the same… they might have a shot but I highly doubt it tbh.

[@360vroomers]

Yeah that’s not so easy for GoPro 😂

[@CrispyJacketStudios]

The only killer feature I need from GoPro is that they work, consistently. I’ve had so many fail on me over the years. I’ve lost count.

[@360vroomers]

@@CrispyJacketStudios that’s a legitimate concern esp for a 360 camera with two lenses so almost twice the chance of failing

[@CrispyJacketStudios]

@@360vroomers an interesting observation but its so rarely a lens that fails in any camera. I think maybe once or twice in 30+ years of stills and video using various bits n bobs. It’s nearly always the brains in the body. GoPro brains are always total sh1te 🤦‍♂️ when they work - fab ❌ Missing an angel shark interaction with an octopus 26m underwater (in a dive case before anyone chirps up 😜) because a hero 9 failed to turn on ❌ missing that extra angle in a band recording due to lost connection with app (loads of times) ❌ missing POV shots when attached to an A cam when a hero 11 mini cooked itself with internal battery getting so hot that I had to throw it in a pint of ice water. ❌ the underwater sealing isn’t properly sealed. (Since 8 or 9 I think. Looked at the small print and design. Totally rubbish. It’s practically illegal the way they market it 😂 The list is pretty dam long tbh. I shoot a lot 😎🤷‍♂️

[@360vroomers]

@@CrispyJacketStudios oh man those are painful. I agree re lenses. I guess a better way to say it is that there are two pipelines to worry about. And while they might go to only one processor, that processor now has more than twice the load it needs to handle. This increases the chance of failure significantly.

[@CrispyJacketStudios]

@@360vroomers sure but neither the insta360 one, 360 r, RS 360 one inch have never have any problems in this area. Connections far more stable too Update. Used a GoPro 10 in a multi cam (9) theatre production just last night. Nice angle right behind the drummer facing front. GoPro lost connection a minute before the band was coming on so I had to jump on stage, pull the battery to reset. Reconnect and manually hit record as the drummer walked past was just coming on 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ we exchanged an uncomfortable glance of (fcuking technology ) kind of look 😂

[@TiagoWolf]

Nice Share Mic but this is probably a fake attempt from GoPro fanboys trying to get some buzz. I don't think GoPro has the right 360 community of engineers, developers and R& D teams to currently stay relevant in the 360 market. Insta360 has definitely made a solid evolution in the last 9 years releasing much more than a 360 camera and this is really tough to beat 😉

[@360vroomers]

Thanks Tiago. So far Quadro News has been accurate in its leaks.

[@MrPlaneTalk]

WAIT! What do you mean by "automatic reframing?" Doesn't the X3 and X4 already have "Me Mode" which is reframing the video in real time, to keep subject in frame? I am confused.

[@360vroomers]

@@MrPlaneTalk great question! me mode is kind of like that but is limited to only one specific direction. What I would like to see is a reframe where the video can remain level like a gimbal.

[@ecossefairgroundphotograph1514]

Think go pro has had its day insta all the way now, last go pro I got is the 9 got the insta 360x3 and mostly use it now far better with horizon lock etc and the being able to edit your field of view is far better

[@360vroomers]

@@ecossefairgroundphotograph1514 insta360 is definitely more versatile than a GoPro Hero. I *believe* nick woodman realized that and I speculate that that’s why they invested a lot of money in their next 360 camera. They have spent so much money on research but the newest GoPro Hero cameras don’t have much improvement. So I really think their money went to their next 360 camera. If their next 360 camera is not good, then I think that will be the end of GoPro.

[@Unnaymed]

Yes, but price will be so huge like all go pro flagship. For now the good solution is the qoocam ultra 😊

[@360vroomers]

@@Unnaymed I think you’re right. It won’t be cheap. Whereas ultra’s price is very competitive.

[@Juandsanchez]

Could it be a 1”inch sensor or bigger single lens camera?

[@360vroomers]

@@Juandsanchez it’s possible, given the size of the camera. But the reason I didn’t guess that is because they are bleeding cash. They can save more money if they use the same sensor for hero 11, hero 12, and this new camera. If they have to buy or develop a new sensor, that’s going to be more expensive and I’m not sure they have the resources to do that. But maybe they do! Let’s see…

[@Juandsanchez]

@@360vroomers true. I hadn’t seen the second part of video 😆 !

[@z352kdaf8324]

Unlikely 1". THey aren't fast enough/too much heat.

[@yuidfbse]

1" sensor impossible if the leaked photo is real. It would need MUCH bigger lenses and the camera itself would need to be physically much larger as well. No 1" unless the photo is not accurate.

[@sp2at3kk]

Well. There's nothing tooooo dramatic to buy GoPro for myself, then.

[@360vroomers]

@@sp2at3kk personally I’m really looking forward to seeing what they invested those hundreds of millions on. 🤔

[@georgeaura]

You said 140 mil but I see it says 140 thou

[@360vroomers]

In financial statements, the numbers are stated in 000s. So if it said “150,000” then they mean 150 million. Etc.

[@smitthone]

Seems late as a prototypes for a product , should the plan to release before end of 2024

[@360vroomers]

You’re absolutely right. What I meant was that this might be a prototype from two years ago for example but the photo of it was leaked only this week. Anyway we’ll see by year end or maybe early Jan.

[@louiskaiser]

The first generation of the Max is out of stock. Perhaps a market launch is imminent.

[@360vroomers]

@@louiskaiser yes their new 360 camera is coming for sure. Nick woodman said it I think 3 earnings calls in a row.

[@oleschon]

Picture looks like it's made using AI

[@360vroomers]

Hi oleschon. The photo was posted by Quadro News, and I explained how reliable they are. Then I animated the photo's background using AI, so that's why the animation looks AI. But the photo wasn't generated by AI (at least not by me).

[@BlueScreenOfDead]

also something with the app what has missed features i realy used.

[@360vroomers]

Yup the app needs a lot of work! Software is not their strength.

[@VideoManiacExtreme]

Great explanation, thanks 🙏

[@360vroomers]

Thanks buddy! 😀

[@captteemo9133]

Thanks for the video! :)

[@360vroomers]

Thanks captain!

[@by.jayanta]

it looks like a drone camera

[@360vroomers]

GoPro's drone didn't do well last time, so I think it would be risky for them to make a drone again. But you never know...

[@vrschwrngsthrtkr22]

0:19 Dude, everyone sees that this is Stable Diffusion.

[@360vroomers]

@@vrschwrngsthrtkr22 the photo was from quadro news. I just added animation to it to make it look more interesting.

[@vrschwrngsthrtkr22]

@@360vroomers That doesn't even make sense. How dumb do you think people are?

[@360vroomers]

@@vrschwrngsthrtkr22 let me explain again. Quadro news posted a “leaked photo” of a gopro camera. I explained in the video about Quadro news’ reliability. I just added background animation to that photo. Do you think that adding background animation made the photo less reliable?

[@user-jt5vm3mi1w]

My idea is making a 3D camera to record content to be viewed in Apple Vision Pro

[@360vroomers]

I think it’s possible but GoPro’s revenues are sinking. Meanwhile the Vision Pro market is still small - much smaller than the action cam market. Happily, a 360 camera could be used for both action cam and Vision Pro although it might not be 3d.

[@user-jt5vm3mi1w]

@@360vroomers I think everything you said is very sound and I hope you 4x your $150

[@360vroomers]

@@user-jt5vm3mi1w thanks buddy! 🙏

[@captteemo9133]

3D180 or 3D360?

[@360vroomers]

@captteemo9133 i love 3d180 and 3d360 formats but they are very small niches and I don’t think GoPro can afford to risk getting into them now (high risk, low reward market).

[@adrian4jc]

Hi Mic, Thank you for this video. I am one of your avid subscriber. I am interested in buying stocks in GoPro. Can you show me how? Did you use a broker? Is this good? Can you explain further why did you decide to buy shares? Kind regards.

[@360vroomers]

Hi Adrian. GoPro shares are traded on NASDAQ under the symbol GPRO. You can invest in it through brokers if they allow you to invest in US stocks. To be honest, it is not a good stock for investment because their sales are going down each year and they are losing money. If they keep losing money, they will go bankrupt and the stock will be worth zero. I only invested a little bit like “casino money” - ready to lose it.

[@SbangFPV]

0:03 looks like a cake model to me. 😊

[@360vroomers]

lol yes kind of! it’s just a simple animation of the photo posted by quadro news. I’m not a special effects guy unfortunately.

[@KSAEXPO25]

15:40 good topic

[@itowmyhome797]

Thank you

[@360vroomers]

Thank you my friend!

[@RonaldBrown59]

All this sounds very interesting, and I'm looking forward to seeing all the finals specs when this gets released. Great video, and thanks for sharing.

[@360vroomers]

@@RonaldBrown59 thanks Ron! I’m really curious how gopro spent all its money! 🤔

[@Planet-ICELAND]

Looks ai generated picture

[@360vroomers]

@@Planet-ICELAND hi the photo was posted by Quadro news. It’s not AI. Then I upscaled it and added background animation with AI. But you can look at the original photo from Quadro news yourself to judge if it is ai

[@falalandia]

💪😎🤙

[@360vroomers]

👊😎

[@falalandia]

​@@360vroomers hope max2 will have replacable lenses, this would be huge advantage

[@360vroomers]

@falalandia I think it will have a removable protective cover accessory like the Max. I don’t think it is possible to have a replaceable lens with sensor because that is difficult to design. But if that’s very important for you, I recommend checking out insta360 one RS which has a modular replaceable lens module.

[@falalandia]

@@360vroomers you might have true ... but those covers are from plastic and drastically get down quality of the video ... I think replaceable glass cover ( not like a bubble like now, but more like human eye lenses ) completely stick to the lenses would be great idea to protect them ... but need to be hard glass , difficult to scratch

[@falalandia]

Don't want swap for insta ... I really like gopro max ... all video I do comes from max . Its still great camera Waiting for max2 . 💪

[@yuidfbse]

Weather the sensor will be 1" or smallernor whatever it is, they'll simply need to beat (or at least match) the low light IQ of the X4. GoPro's cameras are notably bad in low light (as well as the stabilization that goes down the drain at the same time) and being in such dire financial situation and having taken so long to release the new model, unless is really something spectacular, then it will be another DOA product adding to their failures and lack of cash. I personally think GoPro is 1 bad camera away from shutting down it's doors and they do come out with a new 360 camera it better be leaps and bounds above Insta360's along with killer editing software to match (which is the next problem because Insta's mobile and desktop apps are really very good). All-in-all, I don't have a lot of faith in any of it coming from them but hey, maybe they'll surprise the market. What I know FOR SURE, is that one more "Karma" and they'll be gone.

[@360vroomers]

I agree this is do-or-die for GoPro. If their new 360 camera isn’t good, that will probably be the end of this company.

[@blanfix]

Interesting ideas Mic ) Thanks for this ) also interesting how go pro less income from selling cameras , just what they get when just sell every year almost same camera without post updates like insta does ) also idea about to involves money GoPro company to make huge thinks to make really cool 360 camera just not to produce not really compete to market and want to make it on head higher than what is on market now .... Very interesting))

[@360vroomers]

Thanks Aleks! Yes you are right that their revenue has been decreasing because they don’t offer any major improvement. But I hope this time they have done something much better with this new 360 camera.

[@user-jt5vm3mi1w]

1st

[@360vroomers]

Congrats! :D