.38 Super Auto 1911 and a Beretta 92 FS 9mm in ballistic gel

[@jagrench62]

I have shot and loaded both calibers for a while and the 38 super currently is under loaded because it'll Chamberlain 38 automatic . If you'll notice much of the 38 super ammunition today has + p on the box when I first shot factory 38 super I shot Winchester it literally stuck in the two-by-fours on the backstop.

[@WesternOutdoor]

I should’ve put this in the video, but I didn’t.I think the 38 super actually outperformed the 9 mm. There are differences in the bullet even though they look the same they obviously were not. The 38 super mushroomed, in what I would call textbook expansion. The 9 mm expanded very good but not as good as the 38 super. Like I said, I should’ve dug the hollow points out and put that in the video I didn’t do it till a day or so later.

[@jagrench62]

@@WesternOutdoor I don't think you're wrong at all sir much of the 38 super you get today is not loaded the high velocity. I don't know if you've ever read this but the original 38 super loadings were designed to pierce automotive bodies. I think I read that in an old American rifleman somewhere.

[@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069]

Either one of em would ruin ya day 💥 must say I did like the ol .38 9mm is so common 🤣🤣🤣 great video mate 🍻🍻🍻👍

[@WesternOutdoor]

I do love that .38 super. I wish the ammo was a little cheaper, a lot cheaper.😂😂💰💰💰

[@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069]

@@WesternOutdoor Dont know about over there but the price of everything over here is becoming a joke , Ridiculous to be more accurate

[@WesternOutdoor]

@@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 last time I looked, I could buy 3 boxes of 9mm (50rds) for the same price as in box of .38 super. Yeah ridiculous is the right word.👍👍😂

[@invisibletosociety8338]

I read that the 38super was for the outdoorsmen of the time and it would penetrate model T car doors making them popular with all kinds of people including law men. Pretty sure that it is a handloaders dream for hot rounds and was popular for competition shooting matches. I would love to have a Colt commander in 38super just to see what it can do.

[@WesternOutdoor]

I have dies for it I just haven’t worked up a load for it. I hear the same thing about hand loading. There’s been a comment or two on here about it.

[@cirialuque2889]

I want to try the full metal jackets with the 9mm into the ballistic gel 😎

[@WesternOutdoor]

They don’t slow down much going through the gel.😂

[@cirialuque2889]

@@WesternOutdoor I bet not 😂

[@siannaedwards7932]

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[@rodneydollar323]

Another good video buddy

[@WesternOutdoor]

Thanks for always tuning in my friend. 👍👍👍 wouldn’t be here without ya.

[@WesternOutdoor]

All your watch hours.👍👍👍😉

[@ivanalcantar6677]

Bill Wilson talks about the ammunition needing to have a certain “ogive” not sure on the spelling but basically the angle of the actual bullet needed for proper feeding. I use Wilson Combat .38 super ammunition in my Stealth Arms 5 inch 1911 and have never had a malfunction. Also using a quality magazine.

[@bernardconeghen]

newer 1911s do hollow points better than older designed guns PS the 38 super has a better track record for penitration what ever you use make sure you have the ammo that going to get the job done

[@rexhinlo3398]

The .38 Super didn't penetrate more than the 9mm because the energy was transferred more effectively compared to the 9mm.

[@edwarddailey21]

The 38 super was used more widely in america then the 9 mm back in the day, that's why they used them outta the 1911 platform, it had better penetration power then the .45, also the .38 super and .45 are like the most popular handgun rounds in Mexico because they love thier custom 1911s who can blame them. But all the R&D went into the 9mm over the last 40+ years and now +p will out perform moat standard 38 auper loads.

[@WesternOutdoor]

For some reason when you talked about Mexico and 1911’s I was reminded of boondock saints 2 when their “Mexican” gets those 1911’s.

[@edwarddailey21]

@@WesternOutdoor lol totally right, great flicks, I was like the first of my friends to turn them onto the first one way before cult status and being Irish Catholic I instantly fell in love with it. And ya dude look at all the Narco dudes they all have beautiful gold and nickel plated custom 1911s most in .45 but a lot in .38 super as well, it's a weird love affair with them and that round (.38 super).

[@WesternOutdoor]

@@edwarddailey21 how about the first one when they tell Rocco he looks like mushmouth from fat Albert. In his ski mask. Lose every time that part 😂😂👍

[@edwarddailey21]

@@WesternOutdoor haha most definately, " you look great Rock..very scary" (in thier Irish sarcastic accents lol) or when he says "I gotta make up for that tit thing" 😂 cause he felt that like knocked out or dead hookers tits LMAO.

[@phicks42]

38 Super is the same OAL as the .45 ACP so it works in the 1911. It was introduced in 1929 for increased penetration against auto bodies. It was popular in Mexico because military calibers were/are prohibited for civilians. 9mm 1911s didn't work reliably back in the day, timing and magazine issues. Those problems have been fixed.

[@BradleyGwaltney-rk6xe]

Factory ammo barely cycles my 38 super 1911. Normal, safe 38 super hand loads would push the gel off the table at that shooting distance

[@WesternOutdoor]

😎

[@viking3487]

That went exactly how i thought it would

[@johnsarkesain9325]

Did you give the ballistics (the specs) for the cartridges being used? Hot the .38 Supers will have 150-200 ft per second faster than the hottest 9mm with same wt bullets.

[@tiaedwards5363]

Great job !

[@WesternOutdoor]

😉

[@superbuddyfranklin]

Hollowpoints are about expansion, 38 super goes faster so should expand better but won't penetrate as far as a lesser deforming round. If using ball 38 super will go further than the lesser powered 9mm round. 9mm has more options now for ammunition.

[@michaelfiaschetti2574]

I’ve had 3 1911 volts and never had failure to feed😊

[@WesternOutdoor]

I've got a video in the works where I will be discussing these issues I've had with this .38 Super. Thanks for your view and input.

[@freddinkins6147]

Did you says what hollow points you where using? I may have missed it. my M9A4 is more accurate for me but I really love my Colt .38 Super! great video bud! keep up the good work!

[@WesternOutdoor]

The .38 super ammo is federal and the 9mm is from freedom munitions. They just looked very similar in design as far as the projectile themselves.

[@undreahankins8194]

Cant say why but im partial to the 38Super. Lefty shoots pretty good!

[@coaltrain4423]

I’ve never had a problem with my 1911s and hollow point ammo.Ever.I started with Super Vel ammo way back years ago,then I carried the Lawman flying ashtray round in 45acp for a long time.The flying ashtray is a huge hollow point to say the least,I never had had a failure to feed in an out of the box Colt government model .And the ammo today is even more reliable,as well as the pistols.A 1911 doesn’t like a limp wrist when being fondled.Magazines are probably the the biggest reason why failure to feed occurs in a 1911.

[@WesternOutdoor]

Pretty obvious that wasn’t a limp wrist.

[@cedargroverealist]

.38 super ftw definitely gonna feel it more than 9mil check out the temporary wound cavity big energy dump on impact 😮that’s stopping power no doubt

[@WesternOutdoor]

It’ll leave a mark.😉👍

[@marcelocoria90]

I tried some underwood ammo, and it ran flawlessly.

[@WesternOutdoor]

Hollow points?

[@marcelocoria90]

@@WesternOutdoor yes sir, I believe it was the 124 gr

[@WesternOutdoor]

@@marcelocoria90 thank you, I’ll keep my eye out for them. I’d like to try them.👍👍

[@jeffreyleonard7210]

The clear winner? "Mine's bigger"

[@ericoberlies7537]

Don’t use hollow points and you may get results closer to your initial expectations.

[@johns3153]

I've been really thinking about getting a 38 super 1911 after watching i really want one lol

[@mwrobinson1169]

A properly functioning 1911 should feed hollow points without any trouble.

[@CATech1138]

looks like bullet construction.is the difference.....the feeding issue takes a full lug feed ramp, not a chamfered chmber edge....see Dan Wesson or Les Bear...

[@AlexRamirez-vz1vj]

Cost of ammunition vs the 9mm?

[@martyinthecounty]

Pmc is a weak super load but Aguila is excellent and i use underwood or corbon in super for defense

[@WesternOutdoor]

For me what’s available is what’s best.😂👍

[@jerrybuckles5481]

what brand 38 super are you using ?

[@WesternOutdoor]

The 1911 itself was custom made for me by a friend. If you’re wondering about the ammo it’s federal brand.👍

[@ChenBen-y6n]

38 super is like a 357 magnum

[@WesternOutdoor]

Well, bullet diameter is alike. Velocity and energy are quite a bit different in most instances.

[@acrowly4254]

That 9mm performed much better than the 38 Super and much more penetration!

[@WesternOutdoor]

Definitely more penetration with the 9mm, after digging the lead out I liked the .38 super expansion better. I reckon I should have put that in the video too but I didn’t dig them out right away. That being said it just could be the difference in the projectiles themselves. They looked very similar prior to impact, no so much afterwards. Overall I was very pleased with the 9mm performance though. Considering that’s my carry ammo.😂👍 Thanks for watching!

[@acrowly4254]

@@WesternOutdoor what 9mm were you using? Seems like a good defensive round

[@WesternOutdoor]

@@acrowly4254 Freedom Munitions, something they manufacture. Not sure of the actual HP make though.

[@acrowly4254]

@@WesternOutdoor what grain

[@WesternOutdoor]

@@acrowly4254 115

[@coaltrain4423]

Mexico doesn’t allow citizens to own firearms that are chambered in military calibers such as 9mm,or 45acp.That’s why 38 super is popular or common in Mexico in the 1911 platform of pistol.

[@WesternOutdoor]

I’ve heard that somewhere before. Thanks

[@miguelleanos824]

38 super has alot more power the 38 super has a heavier bullet also.

[@marcelocoria90]

38 super, more damage.

[@WesternOutdoor]

Yeah, plenty of penetration too.

[@FredJones-j6x]

You would be easier to understand if ya spit out the chaw

[@georgebetor2943]

You heard wrong

[@ettube8686]

The nine mm is a is a pistol play and practice round cost effective and good training round. Much like the 22lr in rifles. The 45 acp the 38 super and the fourty all have been given the same technology and there all far better than the nine mm in the real world in my experience. The nine is a country club shirt 😢😅😊

[@ardethcain18]

With all do respect, this is not a test. At least not a scientific test. So many variables here. First, Who is the manufacture of the ammo. Second, at least give us the advertised bullet weight and velocities, Moreover these projectiles need to fired over a chronograph. Third, those hollow points do not look the same. Forth, the comment, "got a failure to feed, my understanding that's pretty common" Really?? Well, it's very common in poorly manufactures firearms or firearms modified by an incompetent individual / gun smith. I own numerous examples of 1911 / 2011 pistols, "mild to wild" chambered in 9mm, 38 super, 40 S&W, 10mm and 45acp. Some are bone stock others are examples smoothed and tuned by some of the best. Old school guys like Bob Chow R.I.P., Dan Ruff and the new school guys STI and Atlas Gun Works. all "RUN" like a Swiss sewing machine. Is it possible, just maybe... Could we try this one more time? Its always good to get pertinent / accurate information out to the gun owning populous. Thanks!

[@WesternOutdoor]

.38 super HP rounds are hard to come by, so this test was done with what I could find. If I ever see HP ammo again I probably will run this test again. The question about the failure to feed was that “Is that common with HP’s in a 1911’s.“ I’ve heard that from a few people. Sorry this video doesn’t meet your scientific standards 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ardethcain18]

@@WesternOutdoor Cool .... In the next month or two we will be testing multiple 38 super rounds.We will be using many different mediums, including a replication of the Paul Harrell "meat target"... I think we might be in neighboring states. Ill let you know when we go test. Your welcome to stop by. We test at a private range just outside of Las Vegas. Thanks for the reply!

[@jessgypin-ko5ds]

Common with1911s? BS