40,000 Total Points VS 10 Scoring Titles: What is Harder to Achieve?

[@ReboundRewind]

1 Fact about Every NBA Scoring Champion: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWPSgYaQf62sfKc

[@81giorikas]

Forgetting that Jordan also missed 4 seasons because he went to college. Kareem abdul jabbar as well.

[@spaceaustrailia5895]

Stay to argue and reply to comments. Consider the difference in advances in science and medical treatments that existed in 1990s to 2020-2024 that allow athletes to play longer. A player today in their thirties is much more likely to be consistent than a 1990s player. Lets go before the 1990s. Player careers were even shorter due to available medical advancements.

[@LisaWang-z7n]

What if Kareem Abdul Jabbar did not go to college and started at 18?

[@heroesismid8694]

KZbinrs avoid nuance. It would be very difficult for Lebron to do this during decades of more primitive medical treatment. You are not comparing player ability. You are comparing treatment

[@Mario_GamerZ]

Lebron has already said he gets a certain medical treatment in his body. What treatment did 1990s players have as an option. Retire at 32?

[@sergeysam2290]

10 scoring titles is about winning against competitors and 40k points is winning against nature:)

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

Great way of looking at it

[@TheoBrownMusic7]

All facts

[@garyclarke3532]

Great point

[@ontop2324]

winning against nature is harder in itself imo

[@TheKillzu]

ummmm..... he was losing for half of those so no it's stat padding at it's finest

[@donmeeze987]

Winning Scoring title and your team being the last seed is crazy

[@potato958]

Not really, putting up a lot of points on a bad team ain't unheard of

[@rocbot9479]

It’s easier to put up more points on a bad team than a good team, since you can just get your teammates to keep passing you the ball. On a good team, others will need the ball too in order to win

[@scrappy93]

​@rocbot9479 on a great team MJ avg over 30 4 of the 6 championship rings and led the league in scoring everyone of his 6 title years. So that's factually incorrect.

[@Terror832]

T-Mac is “stat padding loser/fraud” according to the naysayers. Worst record in the NBA and still led the league in scoring.

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

@@scrappy93 Bro, he’s talking about TMac

[@kaichisendou]

You didn't account for total points being way more linear than scoring titles. The way you use the stats means missing a scoring title by 1 point is the exact same as not scoring any points that season.

[@snitzehl8425]

The maths answer is pretty bad. You're comparing an absolute value versus the total time answer, so of course they'd be wildly different. If 1 player was 0.1 points away from getting a scoring title every year for 10 seasons they'd technically be 100% away from getting 10 scoring titles, but that wouldn't be comparable. Instead you should look at like average distance from a scoring title. So if someone was 10% away from a scoring title every season then they'd be 90% of the way to mj's total, and i think that'd be decently comparable to the total points measure

[@jouisenelsonjr.marasigan8504]

Agree with the unbalanced use of maths in this context. Say there's a person with 9 scoring titles. Comparing it to MJ's 10, that's 9/10 which is 90%, so he's 10% away. (for context, in the video Wilt is said to be 30% away since he's at 7/10). Meanwhile a person 10% away from 40k pts has 36k pts (36k/40k is 90%). As the video said, an average player can do about 2k pts a season, so to get back that missing 10%, a player needs 2 full seasons to make up for it. Meanwhile to get back the missing 10% in the scoring titles column, you just need one season of being a ballhoig and shoot eveything to win the scoring title. Long way of saying, using percentages to compare big numbers like in the thousands to something that is 10 at the max is bad maths.

[@Nana-hy6zt]

He’s a Jordan fanboy

[@fox9769]

The craziest thing is Lebron’s 40k points isn’t even close to done yet. The madman could very well end with 45k+ points before he retires. I honestly wouldn’t even be that surprised if he scored 50,000 points.

[@edbreeze102]

50k is pushing it but yea 45k if he has 2 great seasons

[@xKingKB7x]

That’s what I was about to comment lol

[@xKingKB7x]

@@edbreeze102Bron could play another 4-5 seasons. We don’t know his actual goals. He might not retire until he gets at least 5 rings😂. Plus we know he wanna own a team and you need a lot of money for that. Contracts are still increasing today

[@sniper-go8cf]

But he travels alot and runs into players like a linebacker so its easy for him to get those points

[@reign1594]

​@@sniper-go8cfwhy can't anyone else do it?

[@dhicks1217]

Mj won 10 scoring titles in his 11 full seasons as a Bull ,that's insane . He played 6 full seasons in the 90s and got 6 scoring titles. He played 5 full seasons in the 80s and won 4 scoring tiltes. His rookie year is the only yr he didn't win a scoring title while playing a full season as a Chicago Bull

[@HakeemTheDream616]

And they think Bronny LeFraud James Sr. Is better lol

[@thehabitof885]

@dhicks1217 oh please don't kill them with factual information. They hate that. Please only comment with contextual subjective arguments.

[@parkinsaw]

@@thehabitof885 Nope pretty darn impressive in an era without bloody zone defence. (Heck look at what Shaq was able to do by simply adding more mass he was near unstoppable.....until Zone was implemented than became a tad bit more manageable)

[@Kirk_Thuggins]

​@thehabitof885 so pro Jordan arguments don't bring context into them? How incredibly fucking stupid of you.

[@TMD-g8o]

To get 10 scoring titles you have to be Jordan, to get 40k you have to be Lebron, to get close you have to be Wilt or Kareem. Either could have been done by someone else but I think the 10 scoring titles is harder especially now with scoring inflated because you literally have to be the best scorer year after year.

[@TheKillzu]

it's pretty easy to get when you are taking 240 shots more than the next largest shot taker.

[@TMD-g8o]

@TheKillzu you might wanna check how many times he shot over 50 percent and stop just commenting to say nothing.

[@HOGISIMJAYUN]

​@@TheKillzu Then why James Harden or Melo or Allen Iverson or Kobe didn't win more scoring titles? 😂

[@TheKillzu]

@@TMD-g8o it's called the law of averages look it up

[@TMD-g8o]

@@TheKillzu doesn't apply to any other guards, if he's making that many shots and more importantly winning, why is this a bad thing? find another reason.

[@Schiasnmiasstsabissl]

At 5:00 you said that KD and Gervin are the Only ones with 4 scoring titles but Iverson has also 4 if I remember correctly.

[@AustinMulkaMusic]

That’s like asking: What’s harder to achieve, winning a 400 meter sprint or winning a long distance marathon?

[@noname-hf9ty]

I mean... Yeah 😂 what is harder

[@Fixundfertig1]

Hell nah. To make 40K points you compete against yourself and yourself only, to win a scoring title you gotta outscore everyone in the league, it isn't enough to make 30 or 35 if there's another guy scoring 40, ask about that to Elgin Baylor. The adequate comparison is to WIN a 400 m dash vs just running 42kms regardless of your pace.

[@n9teezvibe5]

@@Fixundfertig1this is easily the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, regardless through out your time in the league for 40k points you have to play every team in your conference regardless it’s not “yourself vs yourself” and even if you mean for a title you still have to get past that other players numbers either way

[@studmilton]

@@Fixundfertig1 Perfect comparison

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

@@Fixundfertig1 It’s not regardless of pace, otherwise everyone would have similar stats. He’s played LESS games than Kareem, yet has MORE points. Figure that one out

[@kjjr3270]

Both are crazy, especially since Bron still playing on a high level. Records are meant to be broken, but don't think anyone is touching both in the next 50 years.

[@andreyshev4616]

The thing is that the older you get the more your ppg drops, so even though statistically more players are closer to lebron but in reality nobody can pysically come close to him

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

Malone wasn’t too far off of he actually got more contracts, but for the sake of him being a pedophile, I’m glad he didn’t

[@fyntc]

That makes sense. And the scoring title is just having the most points even if it takes many field goal attempts. Playing longer does make your ppg drop more

[@andreyshev4616]

@@fyntc Yeah, to break Jordans record you need 11 elite scoring seasons. To break lebrons still not done record you need 20+ seasons averaging 30ppg and playing 70 games every single year and there is just simply no room for injury, a player has to average 30 points till hes 40 with no room for injuries to break lebrons record

[@spaceaustrailia5895]

​​@@fyntcBut taking more field goal attempts drops field goal percentage until its untolerable. The fact that MJ averaged 52% 1984-1993 is impressive. Same reason Stephen Curry can attempt 8 3-pointers per game. I'm exaggerating. You go until field goal percentage drops. The times Lebron tried to go volume shooting it went bad for his efficiency. So he doesnt do volume

[@spaceaustrailia5895]

For Jordan, scoring that many points while leading the league in STEALS actually makes it more difficult. Pre-retirement MJ

[@UncleRedPanda]

Another way to look at the scoring titles is that MJ averaged 22.9 FGA for his career and lebron has averaged 19.6. If lebron increased his FGA attempts to 23 a game then he would probably have more scoring titles for his career. For context Lebron has only had one season where he averaged 23 FGA per gameand he averaged 31.4 PPG that year. Just to be clear that I am not glazing Lebron if MJ played for 20 seasons then, barring injury, he would have eclipsed 40k points in less games than Lebron. The difference between the two is not ability, it is play style.

[@Mike-bs9tl]

Well said

[@reillyhopf6508]

Here's another fact: In terms of total scoring, Lebron finished #2 in a record eight straight seasons (2005-2012) while finishing top ten in assists five times in those seasons. Jordan was the better scorer, but people who do the 10 > 1 (and by the way, it should be 11> 1, Jordan led the league in total scoring as a rookie) just ignore context.

[@goosnavslakovic4908]

That's exactly what he said: turn 3 assists into 6 pts

[@steezsteezsteez]

you're wrong bro How many more 3s does lebron take and make within those FGA It balances out. Lebron just didnt score as much as MJ because MJ is MJ and lebron isnt reaching that without sacrificing some efficiency

[@UncleRedPanda]

@steezsteezsteez I'm not sure what you are getting at, LeBron has higher efficiency for his career than MJ. Just because he takes more 3pt shots doesn't change that. This is with the assumption that he shoots at the same FG%. I also used the same assumption for MJ reaching 40k points faster than LeBron. Both are assumptions based on information available.

[@phantomchariot4805]

2:53 why is ram ranch playing in the background 😭

[@VladimirVučinić-p2w]

What is harder to achieve? Very hard question. What makes someone better scorer? Definitely scoring titles. Kareem and Karl Malone are 2nd and 3rd on all time scoring list and you can easly make list of 10 best scorers without them,which you can't for kd(4),wilt(7) and of course mj(10). Like yeah, malone has more points than kobe, but he is not better scorer...

[@paolosworld99]

1:49 Why do you always make the players do that dance LMAO

[@24KLuxury]

Scoring titles is easier simply by the fact if you have the green light by the coach you can throw up unlimited shots. Shaq could have averaged 40 a season easily but it would be a deficit to team play especially deep in the season.

[@RichardRennes]

Literally the exact OPPOSITE would be true. If all coaches gave their top scorer the greeen light to score, 40K would be VERY easy to accomplish. But if every top scorer had the green light, they would be competing with every other player to win the scoring title.

[@reign1594]

Who can last that long being that efficient?​@@RichardRennes

[@RichardRennes]

@@reign1594 Being how efficient?

[@reign1594]

@@RichardRennes 54% in his what, 21st season?

[@RichardRennes]

@@reign1594 His ACTUAL career true shooting percentage is LESS THAN 1% above the AVERAGE in the NBA. And the only reason his efficiency went up the last year was because his shot attemps went down to his 3nd lowest levels in his entire career. And his minutes per game were the lowest in his entire career oustide of his rookie year. So, the more he plays and the more he shoots, the worse he is.

[@dejamike88]

Scoring title resets every season and total points does not, which makes winning multiple scoring titles tougher. Shawn Bradley probably has more career points than Anthony Edward at the moment, does that mean Bradley is better than Ant man? I know this is an extreme analogy, but I’m just trying to make a point.

[@kuzster9610]

The math is wrong because of the inflation of scoring in the recent years. It is significantly easier to average 31 now vs back when MJ played.

[@myst2761]

Not in 80’s

[@ayoomisope6563]

@@myst2761Most of his scoring titles were in the 90s

[@dhicks1217]

Mj won 10 scoring titles in his 11 full seasons as a Bull ,that's insane . He played 6 full seasons in the 90s and got 6 scoring titles. He played 5 full seasons in the 80s and won 4 scoring tiltes. His rookie year is the only yr he didn't win a scoring title while playing a full season as a Chicago Bull.

[@HakeemTheDream616]

Look at how many players averaged only over 20 ppg versus now, and it's night, and day lol

[@paulofrota3958]

Not really. That's not how it works.

[@reelshooter_cs221]

For scoring titles, you still have to compete with other players. To reach 40k you have yo play long and consistently enough. Both are equally impressive but 10 scoring titles is like being the league's top scorer for 60-70% of your career.

[@Austin-ts7kl]

What sort of thing is about Jordan not getting 40,000 points is that he only played 15 years away and LeBron played in 21 right now

[@RKO859]

I think both are hard to achieve, but with the rules of the game constantly changing, defensive rules and 3 point shooting, it really favours the 40,000 points in that sense. But because NBA is so BS with players resting, load management and not playing back-to-backs, it offsets that. Look at the 80s, 90s and all the way up to mid-2000s, most teams don't score 100 to 120 points that often. 3-point shooting was rare before the 2000s and each team usually only scores about 90 points give or take. Nowadays, teams score 130 points a game, which means the absolute point values are much easier to attain. Scoring title is a strange one to calculate, you can score 29 ppg every year, and still have 0 titles because someone can average more than you, so it's either you get it, or the value is 0.

[@Andrew-cn7zy]

imo scoring title since only one person gets it every year vs getting the 40k points where each year helps you reach that milestone

[@carlosmiyagishima513]

Idk man, the #1 suspect of playing against weak competition (Wilt) only got 7 and he literally scored 50 a night with ease. If he couldn’t even do it, I doubt anyone can tbh.

[@Corey1873]

The fact that Wilt didn't do it shows that he wasn't the only dominant player in his time. The claims of weak competition is exaggerated.

[@parkinsaw]

You do know Wilt decided to start passing instead due to his teammates complaining lol (heck one year he even led the league in assists) *as a centre* . Pretty sure if he wanted too he could have racked up more scoring titles.

[@ogloc420]

I thought lebron averaged 30+ 3 times, twice as a cav and once as a laker. I swear he averaged 31 ppg in 06 when kobe won the scoring title averaging 35

[@reillyhopf6508]

He did but technically not 30+. His 08 scoring title was 30.0 on the dot in addition to his 2006 and 2022 seasons.

[@xKingKB7x]

@@reillyhopf6508MJ has 10+ scoring titles

[@AJ_Osser]

Better > More, there’s a reason why the scoring champion is the one who AVERAGE more points and not the one who has more.

[@tarikwalters854]

What reason is that?

[@QZaccardelli]

You’re acting as if those scoring title players never had a second place finish

[@BackboardBuoy.2zqwa]

I'm pretty sure if Jordan was drafted 3 years earlier, and didn't retire for 2 seasons. He would reach 40k

[@dominiquewilson]

I’ll do you one better. If you take the time he missed for breaking his foot and baseball and plugged in his average he’d pretty much have 40k points.

[@BackboardBuoy.2zqwa]

@@dominiquewilson Forgot about the broken foot part. I think he got like 300-500 points that season.

[@dominiquewilson]

@@BackboardBuoy.2zqwa the crazy part is he averaged 28 but scored the most total points his rookie season. His 3rd year he averaged 37 so I’m being modest saying plug in his average. He could’ve easily averaged anywhere from 34-40 points his sophomore season if you check the numbers you’d see the year after he broke his foot he went 37, 35, 32 and 33. So me saying plug 30 ppg is actually low balling. He averaged 26 the baseball year only playing 18 games while also getting back into basketball shape and went back to averaging 30 the following years. So after averaging 32 he retired. He could’ve easily still been averaging 30+ the baseball years. That’s why I know Jordan would’ve had 40k. And imagine if he never retired after the 2nd 3peat while still in great shape and not a 40 year old man. Those would’ve been a couple more productive seasons. People don’t understand

[@TheOrangePatriot]

he aint need to play 3 more seasons just take away the seasons he could not play and have him playing them, he would be past 40k

[@BackboardBuoy.2zqwa]

@@TheOrangePatriot Probably. Jordan went on a streak of 30ppg before he retired. Considering that he turns 31 in the 1993-1994 season, He would probably would average from 27 minimum to 31 maximum. Now, Jordan had over 5, 82 games before his first retirement. He averaged 74 games im his first 9 seasons. Considering that he got 80 in his second to the last season, and 78 in his last season before first retirement, Jordan would've probably gotten 74-80 games if he didn't retire. The average from both numbers are 77. 77 multiplied by the average of 27-31ppg is 29. Meaning that Jordan would've gotten 2,233 points that season. I found out that he missed 3 seasons before his career in Washington. He was 35 before his second retirement. He missed his career from 36-38. Jordan had 28.7ppg in the 1997-1998 season, and 22.9ppg in his 2001-2002. The ppg difference is 5.8. Divided by 4 equals to 1.45. If you're wondering why it's divided by 4, it's because if you did divide it by 3, it would mean that Jordan got 22.9 in his 3rd retired season. If you subtract 28.7ppg from 1.45 each 3 seasons, you can get 22.9ppg. 28.7 minus 1.45 is 27.25. 5 is a decimal number you can turn into a higher whole number. Meaning that He could average 27.3. He played 82 games before his last season. He played 82 games 2 seasons well before his last season, Meaning that he could play another 82 games, but I'm pretty sure that can't happen. Jordan might've played from 70-80 games. Let's say he played 78 games. 78 multiplied by 27.3 equals 2,129. 27.3-1.45 is 25.8. Let's say this time he plays 74 games. 25.8 multiplied by 74 is 1909. 25.8-1.45 is 24.35 or 24.4 multiplied by let's say 70 games equals 1704.5 or 1705. 32,292 (Jordans points), plus 2,233, plus 2129, plus 1909, plus 1705 equals 40,268.

[@SokinRidis]

10 scoring titles is a crazy feat. It means you are super competitive. And Jordan could add two more if he didn't go play baseball. 40k is also impressive but it can be achieved easier.

[@LumesideLside]

they used to call kareem's record unbreakable for the longest time

[@latina997]

Since they are the only ones that did it, I guess both are pretty hard

[@sethdesrosiers2490]

3:02 bro is playing Ram Ranch talking about Lebron. Epic

[@Antreand]

I do think 40k is easier than 10 scoring titles but it's not either one's fault. Scoring is just more inflated today however you put it(pace, defense, skill) meaning it's harder to win a scoring title especially since most of the guys in todays league are scoring oriented. Even the pass first guys are average 30 or getting near that. Obviously that's not to take away from LeBron, this record is still not getting broken in our lifetime. Like he said, in the end it's one to one for both so technically equally as hard.

[@nichodemus10]

The piece about making 10 scoring titles easier would be to include second a third place finishers as that is the more accurate metric for near scoring title. Does anyone else have 10 top 3 scoring season? Compairing a binary to a spectrum otherwise doesnt work. If you were going to do it the other way it would be to count how many 27 ppg seasons people have and compare that to the number 20. That being said it seems like Jordan's accomplishment may be tougher(looking at number of players with 14 and 8 eligible seasons).

[@JamesMeyer2]

To win ten scoring titles, you need to score the most points per game in the entire NBA (and qualify) for the majority of the seasons in your career. On the other hand, you need to average two thousand points per season for twenty seasons to get to forty thousand points for your career. I honestly don't know which one is more difficult.

[@copernic7511]

On one hand, getting scoring titles is hard because you have to be the best among the league, which is not the case for points total: you can be no.2 your whole career and be the points total champion anyway. On the other hand, to get the total points record, you have to be good enough to stay in the league for a very long time, and be in shape to still be performant past your prime. It's the same old debate between peak and longevity.

[@Fixundfertig1]

Are you kidding me? 😂

[@nicolaspepe9332]

10 scoring titles

[@TheJohnWick1]

Stop!!!!! The answer is both, and neither is easier than the other 100 points in a game 40,000 points for a career 10 scoring titles Wilts total 40 point games John Stockton assist record All very impressive & most likely unbreakable

[@JaMorantfan420]

@@TheJohnWick1where’s the proof of the hundred pt game? Stocktons good but cp3 honestly might beat that record now that he’s just gonna be assisting wemby all game

[@TheJohnWick1]

@@JaMorantfan420 Cp3 isn't breaking anything, stop it 🤣🤣, & since you're on youtube, im sure you have Google, go ahead & do the research you need, It was a different time back than, every game wasn't being recorded in hd quality my friend, I don't see any reason to make a great conspiracy about a fake 100 point, There were witnesses back in the day, articles, multiple sources from back then that claimed it happened, I can use your same logic against you, where's the proof it didn't happen 🤷

[@TheJohnWick1]

@@JaMorantfan420 I agree tho, cp3 is finna get them assist up this season with Wemby, but he's not breaking that record

[@JaMorantfan420]

@@TheJohnWick1 maybe not this season but pretty close,

[@alexanderschulze7767]

Context is missing in jordans bulls days it was much harder to score for multiple reasons, which u can easily see by the scoring averages the teams put up in comparison to today.

[@Mario_GamerZ]

The variable is how difficult it would be for a player in 1990 to get medical treatment for longevity.

[@KBALEAGUE]

Scoring Title is harder because you cant get there by stat padding and losing thats why its only been done by someone 6-0 in the finals. Anyone else would have to chuck there way to those numbers and wouldn't win more or be efficient. Which would mean there scoring role would be reduced after a couple of years because the team would suffer. Not only that but you can measure it against everyone else without injuries or games off being a factor which makes it a rawer measurement.

[@michaelpelzar9129]

Jordan played all 82 games in 9 seasons, this is a HIGHLY overlooked stat. Lebron has only played all 82 games ONCE. Jordan is the GOAT

[@nightdonutstudio]

What about push the total point to 42k? Lebron can do that after this season.

[@rodrigotisnes9828]

The hardest to achieve is to get 40,000 points, 10,000 rebounds and 10,000 assists; and of course, achieving 15,000 assists

[@MB-cb2he]

@@rodrigotisnes9828 no, not with modern day medical advancements. Decades ago, a player that reaches 30 is already done. Today, Curry and KD play the same due to modern day medicine. Could Lebron do this with 1980s limited medical treatment?

[@MB-cb2he]

@@rodrigotisnes9828 do you believe the winner of a Marathon works harder than Usain Bolt? Because its a marathon? Any Marathon winner cannot beat Usain in the 100 or 200 meter dash. Like others say.

[@MB-cb2he]

@@rodrigotisnes9828 the medical technology exists in 2024 for Lebron to do this.

[@rodrigotisnes9828]

@@MB-cb2he I think that Jordan had access to the best medical treatment of his time. Aldo, it's worth noting that from this era, with modern medical treatment, only Lebron has been able to achieve this continued excelente. Anyway, my point is another. I understand that scoring is important, but I do really think that achieving 40,000 pts plus 10,000 rebs and assists is plainly incredible. And also Stickton's accolades, who by the way, played un the 80' and 90's

[@rodrigotisnes9828]

@@MB-cb2he Both work hard in their disciplines. But my point is different. I believe that the most astonishing achievement from Lebron is his cummulative carreer "triple double"... It's like he had been a Marathon, Javelin and Boxing olympic medalist. No one has ver achieved 40.000 points. But I see that more attainable than someone getting 10.000 points, rebounds and assists

[@TheRealCaptainGold]

Play long enough and you could hit 40k, even as a mediocre player. Can’t ever say the same about a scoring title. Can’t be mediocre or rely on just playing for a long time; it literally requires you be the best. Longevity is impressive. But it shouldn't be mistaken for actual talent and skill. Prime vs Prime, we know who's better lol

[@Decboy80]

A player would have to average 24 ppg for 20 seasons to reach 40K points. That don’t sound like a mediocre player to me. And the real fact is that MJ led the league in field goal attempts per game in all 10 of his scoring title seasons. So basically, he just shot the ball more than all of his peers causing him to average more points…now is that still as impressive?

[@parkinsaw]

Has to be the worst comment I have ever read lol so by that measure Vince Carter is close to Lebrons all-time points, same with Dirk, Parish I can go on (Oh and these are above average players) playing at a high level consistently for a long period of time without taking any breaks or needing time off is what makes it impressive. Whenever people say "well if Jordan played as long"......acting like he was forced into retirement each time or something lol. Would be like me saying well if Grant Hill/T-Mac weren't injured prone etc. etc.

[@Travis-f4j]

Here is why it is harder to get 10 scoring titles : Even if you played 40,000 games and scored 1 ppg, setting the record, there is a chance that no matter how high of a ppg average you have during the season that another player could be averaging more ppg for the scoring title, which could happen theoretically during every seasons of a players 20 year career. So based on law and averages, the scoring titles are more difficult to achieve.

[@ROFusion]

*10x scoring title is tougher. Because a scoring title is typically only attainable by someone in their peak years where they have the energy to spend more time on the court and run more. Also, only ONE other NBA player has more than 4 titles (Wilt Chamberlain) and only one other NBA player has ever won 4 in a row (also Wilt). So, even the best players haven’t even done half of what MJ did.* *Meanwhile, 6 other players hit 30k+ points (75% of what Lebron did). Moreover, go look at Lebron’s total career minutes played. Compare it to the total minutes (and total points) of other top-10 all time scorers. You’ll see that , mathematically speaking, Kevin Durant is on pace to hit 40k points by the time he plays equivalent minutes to Lebron, MJ was on pace if he hadn’t retired from the Wizards, and Kobe was on pace if he hadn’t retired. Keep in mind that both MJ and Kobe were still NBA All-Star caliber at retirement (even though they were no longer All-NBA caliber), so they could’ve kept playing. MJ and Kobe retired because they knew they could no longer lead their teams to titles. Lebron is still playing EVEN THOUGH he can no longer lead a team to titles.* *That’s why Lebron’s stats are called longevity stats.*

[@Kosithegod]

Scoring title is a comparative stat. If you play in an era devoid of other all time great scorers then you could easily rack em up. Don't get it twisted I think Jordan is the best scorer of all time but for the entire period he was winning scoring titles 87-98 only twice did someone else ever average over 30ppg. Historically speaking that's the weakest the comp for that award has ever been. Even the 2000s had more comp (12 times a player average over 30ppg) and that was during the slowest paced best defensive era of all time.

[@ROFusion]

@@Kosithegod, thanks for the reply. Consider the following: Think about how much easier it became to score after the handcheck rule was added in the 2000s. Players who played in the pre- and post-handcheck rule eras will tell you that, in the pre-hancheck rule era, it was tougher to score. I give MJ a lot of credit because he put up crazy offensive stats in a more physical, more violent NBA.

[@Kosithegod]

@@ROFusion @ROFusion all goods, I love a good debate haha Handchecking was cracked down on because of the legalisation of zone defence made it difficult to for many teams to score leading to the lowest scoring era since the 50s. 2000-05 (94ppg on average for a team). All the offense friendly rule changes barely manage to return scoring to what it was before zones and help defence was allowed. Scoring remained below what is was in the mid 90s (101.4 ppg) until 2016, and never exceed what it was in the early 90s (105-107ppg) until 2019 when the 3pt revolution happened and scoring exploded. All that to say It was definitely harder to score in the 2000s than the late 80s/mid to early 90s, but there was still way more competition for the scoring title than during Jordan's run. Between 1987 (first scoring title) and 1998 (last title) Hitting 30 a game would've automatically given you 9 of the 11 scoring titles against MJs comp. There's no other decade long span in post merger nba history where 30ppg would get you more than 4 (ish) scoring titles. Even in lower scoring eras. Usually strong scorers having career seasons eat up some of those titles in other eras While no one is outscoring pre 1991 MJ, Post 1991 MJ was very lucky basically no-one had a break out scoring season like Embiid, Harden, Steph, Kobe, KD, iverson, King, Gervin, Mcadoo, and many others had.

[@ROFusion]

@@Kosithegod, I appreciate the response again. What are your thoughts on factoring in fg percent into your judgment of MJ's feats vs. the modern era? As you can probably guess, one reason I'm skeptical about the number of all-time great scorers in the modern era is due to the rule-changes that occurred prior to the modern era. But another reason pertains to fg percent. You're right that there were years in the 2000s where you had multiple guys over 30ppg, but some of those years had some less than impressive stats in terms of fg percent. For example, in 2005-2006, Kobe got the scoring title averaging 35.4 per game with 45.9% fg percent (barely above the league average). Lebron was in 3rd place (33ppg, 48% fg, which I consider to be more impressive than Kobe). Carmelo earned the scoring title in 2012-2013 shooting below league average. As did Westbrook in 2014-2015 and 2016-2017, Harden in 2017-2018 and 2018-2019 and 2019-2020, but then things have been much better since 2020 (i.e., the scoring champion has always been above the league average in fg percent). For me, that fg percent issue serves as another point of skepticism about the modern era since it implies some of the modern day elite scorers sometimes reached elite status at the expense of shooting efficiency. Think about how much MJ would be shit on if any of his scoring titles had happened while he was *below* the league average in fg percent.

[@Kosithegod]

@@ROFusion hypothetically speaking: if no one was willing to take more shots and score more points at the expense of efficiency wouldn't that lower competition for the scoring title? I'm not saying 10 scoring titles isnt an extraordinary feat. It is. I'm saying that as a comparative "winner takes all" award it's impressiveness is highly dependant on what your competition was doing and just from a historical perspective the bar for being the highest volume scorer was lower in the 90s. Probabilistically you would expect more people to be hitting that 30ppg+ mark seeing how more people managed to do it in even lower scoring eras. You could argue Jordan popularised the ultra volume scoring guard/wing role and that's why we saw more competition for the title in the 2000s but that fact remains that same comp wasn't there for him at the time. Also players score more today mostly because they're taking more efficient shots. Fg% isnt going to show this because it does account for that fact that different shots have different values it's just make or miss. But if you look at eFG% (accounts for the 50% efficiency boost from 3s), or even True Shooting (accounts for 3s and FT %) and compare that to league averages, you get a better picture of what a player is producing. But yeah some players really do just chuck shots lol, melo, Westbrook and Kobe (rip) were guilty of that.

[@michaelairjordan23GOAT24]

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[@STRYDERMANN]

The obvious answer is scoring title because of odds. 1 player each year can win it. And most players get less than 20 chances to do it. So you have to be #1 in scoring for over half your career. 1 player a year thats it. 40k points has unlimited slots you just have to want it and go for it. Someday we will have someone new entering the 40k club yearly until 50k becomes the new goal post.

[@moety2]

Keep point in scoring. It’s easier to score in today’s NBA. So the scoring is naturally inflated because of rule changes that favors offense.

[@billyclutch]

They’re both hard. Only one player has accomplished each of those things. Both players had to have the skills while being in situations that made their accomplishment doable.

[@HOGISIMJAYUN]

Top 5 in all time scoring lists while only played 15 seasons is better .

[@libfit9068]

Game is heading more and more towards offense, scoring is getting higher, which puts players more on pace to beating LeBrons record. Regardless of all this, it doesn't change the fact that only 1 person gets the scoring title every season. Aside from Wilt, no player has even half the amount of scoring titles as Jordan.

[@thebobbymft5805]

I don’t think either records will be broken 🐐 👑

[@soloquakez7441]

I like the music changes. Slim shady and chemical plant zone

[@michaelairjordan23GOAT24]

Kobe Bryant is closed to Michael Jordan level 💯👍🏿👌🏿

[@SJG-pt4yp]

Kareem’s total will always out shine Lefrauds. Tougher era, and no 3’s.

[@roncur]

Thank u soooooo much for not Fence sitting.

[@MelRivers]

40k points is beating everybody in History. Scoring titles is just beating the people you’re playing with. Let’s be honest, they ain’t have Steph curry’s, and Hardens, or Durants back in the 80s, 90s.

[@oscar-vg2ns]

I think the answer is that getting 40k total points when you are primarily a playmaker, and one of the best assisters of all time is harder than getting 10 scoring titles as almost a pure scorer in an era where there aren't as many pure scorers as other eras

[@TheOrangePatriot]

jordan was not a pure scorer. he was a pure all around.

[@RichardRennes]

But, no one who is primarily a playmaker has ever got 40k points.

[@LisaWang-z7n]

There were many scorers during the 1980s. The 1990s were a slow paced era, so scoring was lower.

[@LisaWang-z7n]

Luka Doncic averages most points, assists, and rebounds his first 7 seasons than Lebron. So does Oscar Robertson. Lebron is like someone who can win a marathon, but cannot win the 100 or 200 meter dash

[@LisaWang-z7n]

Wouldn't it be harder for Lebron to do that under 1980s medical science where a player at 30 was usually unrecoverable? Today its feasible for KD Curry Lebron to keep going with today's technology

[@mikebird5148]

10 scoring titles while shooting 50% from the field while also being the best defender in the league and winning two 3 peats is more impressive...

[@kilge1072]

Micheal Jordan didn’t retire after his 3 peat for no reason, he was suspended by the NBA due to gambling.

[@RealMichaelJJordan]

Lebron is an underrated scorer, he scored only 1-2 points off 30 ppg for many years while getting 7 assists a game.

[@RichardRennes]

How can he be an underrated scorer? For his career averages compared to the rest of the league, he is a below average 3pt shooter, a below average mid range shooter, and a below average free throw shooter. And that`s WITH the help of the refs for most of his career.

[@RealMichaelJJordan]

@@RichardRennes yeah he is an average shooter actually but in the paint he is unmatched. Check the stats he scored almost 30 a game.

[@RichardRennes]

@@RealMichaelJJordan DID you just say he averages almost 30 a game in the paint? He`s only averaged over 30 a game TWICE in his career, and NEVER over 32 a game. His career average is 27.1 per game, he averages 5 pts off of 3 pt`ers a game, and averages 5.6 pts on free throws. So assuming he takes ZERO shots outside the paint that aren`t 3 pt`ers, the MOST he COULD average is 16.5 pts per game. The MOST is 16.5 assuming ZERO perimeter shots EVER in his career. 🤦‍♂

[@RealMichaelJJordan]

@@RichardRennes you just said he is a below average shooter but he makes shots from three. You contradicted yourself. And I said he was 1-2 points of scoring 30 a game most of his career. Check your stats.

[@RichardRennes]

@@RealMichaelJJordan Are you high?

[@ImTitan16]

These 2 things are completely different. One speaks more to longevity and one speaks more to skill.

[@jeans8607]

LeBron went to 8 str8 Finals, 10 total with 4 chips now that's epic

[@barbahuub]

You're forgetting the tougher defense MJ had to deal with to score. Today's rules allow for easier scoring. This is a fact.

[@whatisthetruth6901]

At the final season of Jordan's career, he averaged, 37 min/game and played 82/82 games. While LBJ, last season played 35min/game, played 71/82 games. So longevity category is still a complete disaster for LeBron.

[@parkinsaw]

what are you even going on about Jordan retired how many times in his career?

[@trevor_4]

Here’s a theoretical question about these two. Imagine lebron and Mj played each other one on one every year, starting in, say, 1996. What year do you (the person reading this) think lebron would be able to beat mj the first time? I’ll go 2005

[@antiarezzo7630]

It depends on what team he's on

[@trevor_4]

@@antiarezzo7630 1 on 1

[@JigglesLovely]

Lebron wouldn’t beat MJ on the cavs, even if he’d try his best, the only other person that’d be competing is his center, so I don’t think it’d be possible until he joined Miami, not because of him as a player, but because of his team, which wasn’t as bad as people say it was, but it wasn’t enough to beat MJ, I argue that his team in 2018 was worse

[@williamlee7672]

If Jordan didn’t retire and had 20 season at his average. He would have 42k

[@markula_4040]

Being better 10 different seasons > staying healthy and viable well into your twilight playing career.

[@CJ_8911]

My 2K character can do both in his sleep

[@billcrotts5456]

Being remembered fondly vs being remembered as Lebum: which is harder to achieve?

[@felkrosis8703]

craziest thing is, Jordan fucked his knee up and then came back and averaged that 20ppg. 20ppg in 2002 is like 26 or sumn today

[@snomelc920J]

Lebron 40k seems like a lot. But Luka Curry Durant Harden aren't far behind if they play 21 years.

[@ITzTricky_x]

Scoring titles by far. And PPG. The total points amount is largely due to long lasting health.

[@BeeN-fy2jh]

The next closest to 10 scoring titles is Wilt with 7. So 2nd place is 30% lower than MJ. Lebron has roughly 40k points and kareem had 38k. That's only a gap of 5% less from lebron to 2nd place. In order for Lebron's to be considered as good using this metric, he'd need to finish with 58-60k points in order to be 30% higher than Kareem.

[@michaelairjordan23GOAT24]

Lebron james is Hear the most HP Super Team 🧐🤔

[@Carvis23]

Bron is not averaging 33 pts a game. If he tried he would become less efficient, cause hes not a good shooter. lol Assist are also contributions of the player you are passing to. So you can't automatically say Bron is responsible for those points.

[@reillyhopf6508]

If Lebron wanted to, he'd average 33 lol. Why are you adding some strange limitation like he has to shoot? He's the most dominant slasher in league history.

[@Carvis23]

@reillyhopf6508 Negative; Bron had 20 years to win multiple scoring titles-so many hypotheticals around Bron and false narratives. Jordan technically played 13 full seasons, we can objectively say that if he played 20 years, he would have his 10 scoring titles and over 40,000 points.

[@steezsteezsteez]

​@@reillyhopf6508 brother have you even played basketball before ? yes lebron would average 33 but he would have to sacrifice a ton of efficiency to do so because thats simply the nature of getting more points, to act like that had no effect is interesting at best

[@reillyhopf6508]

@@Carvis23 He didn't win more than one because he's not as scoring dominant as Jordan. Lebron finished #2 in total scoring eight straight times from 2005-2012 and finished top ten in assists in five of those seasons. That's the type of context people like you like to ignore.

[@reillyhopf6508]

@@steezsteezsteez Oh the classic "Do you even play basketball" to try and act like your statement is somehow correct. When did I say his efficiency wouldn't drop exactly? The point is is that the OPs comment assumes Lebron is for some reason going to settle for jump shots when that isn't his bread and butter. If Lebron WANTED to average 33, he'd put less effort in on defense and wouldn't look to play make and his efficiency would drop, but it would be minimal.

[@ssarsi]

MJ only played 15 years - 32,292 pts. LBJ first 15 years - 31, 038 pts.

[@dennismagee9555]

Don't forget Jordan went to college. James drafted out of High School

[@DarrylScott-x6i]

What's harder a real look at the actual context. 40 K+ points in 20 + years or 10 scoring titles in 13 yrs 15 if you count the Wizards yrs too

[@Bobsyagod]

Scoring title is even harder to get now as you need more than the 31 a season listed. Multiple people were around 31 last year and before his injury Embiid was about 36. If KD wanted to even hit his 5th scoring title now would be a massive task, doing it 6 more times? Nope. Even going off those numbers, if Embiid could've won on 36, he's already looking broken down, he couldn't possibly go long enough to get to 10. Luka possibly could, but he's got a lot of competition chasing him.

[@Chessbox09]

You can argue Kareem's scoring record his more impressive than Lebron's is first of all.. Kareem played 4 years in college and shot no threes in his career. Yet, the difference in games played for the record is less than 2 NBA seasons .

[@jaybird8192]

Do People realize Lebron has taken the most shots in NBA history, and about to pass Kobe for the most missed shots in NBA history???

[@itsfroggertv2068]

10 scoring titles is probably harder because You have to take into consideration other players having a monster year. What if one year you put up 32 a game but some young James harden type of players scores 35. Both are amazing accomplishment.

[@tarikwalters854]

You can cheat the system to win a scoring title by load managing against top defenses and only playing the bare minimum to qualify.

[@itsfroggertv2068]

@ you right you can get 1 or 2 scoring titles that way but doing that 10 times in a 14-16 year career might be harder then scoring 3000 points a season 14times

[@tarikwalters854]

@ LeBron almost did it in his 19th season, if he solely focused on scoring titles he could’ve won the award every year.

[@DarkNight-zo5ci]

I like how you explained this in the video but ima have to go with 40k points being harder simply because it's an end of career achievement but you had to have been at the top level for at the least 19 seasons. Neither is easy tho and I won't take anything from either achievement.

[@FoxUnitNell]

Imagine players that scored 15 ppg the season before Jordan's last year then got over Jordan's worst 20 ppg season once being traded to a better team, and I think we could have a list. I think he could have 25 ppg if Jordan ring chased and joined the Lakers when returning.

[@JigglesLovely]

I don’t think so, better team = better players which means you get less shots

[@itsallgoodman940]

Jordan didn't retire mid-season and it wasn't just a decision it was harder than that.

[@RJ-ph5zg]

40K 10K 10K is definitely harder than scoring titles

[@mikebird5148]

Also the most missed FG's in history along with the most turnovers in history, very impressive.

[@ChristianTidwell-h3n]

😂😂😂😂

[@ChristianTidwell-h3n]

​@mikebird5148 if having 40k 10k and 10k makes him the goat than being turnovers leader and missed shots leader should mean he's not the goat 🤷‍♂️

[@mikebird5148]

@@ChristianTidwell-h3n I agree lol, I'm not sure if you meant to comment towards me as I DO NOT THINK JAMES IS THE GOAT......MJ IS

[@ChristianTidwell-h3n]

@mikebird5148 I was more do talking to both of you and agreeing with you. They use his accumulative stats as a reason for him being the best but don't realize he'll be the all time leader in good things and bad things. Leader in points, leader in misses. Top 5 in assists, number 1 in turnovers. I don't look at james as the best or the worst cause of these things. All it means is he's a great player that played a very long time.

[@valleyshrew]

Scoring titles are usually won by players on a team without good team mates to share the scoring with. Such teams dont win championships. The fact MJ was so good he could win a scoring title and championship in the same year makes it even more special, only 1 other player has done that in the past 53 years (Shaq 2000) and he only did it one time. MJ did it 6 times. That gives him the edge. Lebron's longevity is only special compared to the past, it will be the norm in future. There are a ton of mid 30s players that are likely to play til 40 such as Curry, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Jrue. And dont forget that Lebron was drafted at 18 which is against the rules now, so you need to take away 1,654 points from his total if you're going to be fair.

[@clintbeamquillope3123]

Being healthy as an individual regardless of the team and wins is an easier feat. LBJ as the face of NBA also helps him secure his health by other players avoiding him to get injured (like a plot armor for a protagonist in a story). It is smart and now he just needs to play with his son and I think that is it for him. Nobody can get that scoring title, unless he still wants the rings he need to tie Jordan's, which is more likely impossible.

[@phillipschuman4307]

The only seasons when LeBron averaged close to MJ's career FGA mark, he scored over 31 ppg (which is more than MJ's career ppg). Before LeBron led the league in ppg, he came in 3rd, 3rd and 4th. After he led the league, he came in 2nd three seasons in a row, then 3rd, 4th, 3rd, 3rd, 5th, 8th, and 3rd again. LeBron was within reach of leading the league many times, and if that had been any goal he had, he would have done so. By comparison, MJ's goal was ALWAYS to lead the league in scoring, and he averaged the most shots every year to do it.

[@JaMorantfan420]

10 scoring titles easily no one has half of those also that’s 10/15 years buts easier when you play more than 20 years without getting injured.

[@redbogaming6009]

But factor in that you have to score that much points each year for so long and be healthy in a sport that you can breakdown and get old that is very hard to do. I think both is equally is hard

[@JaMorantfan420]

@@redbogaming6009 lebron is 6’9” with no fat and the only reason he plays like that at his age is because he spends millions each year to keep his body in good shape that technology was invented 20+ years ago.

[@KhandiiKhandii]

No. It should be 6 CHIPS vs 4 CHIPS. Which is HARDER.

[@ManuelStephenJohnLu-mk5ng]

Saying that no one got close to having 10 scoring titles just because of the number of scoring titles is dumb.

[@True-Believer616]

Didn't Kareem get close to 40k points in 20 years? He got over 38k. Also, MJ played what 14, 15 seasons in all? He got closer to 40k in those years than Leflop got to 10 scoring titles in this 20 year period.

[@shazaalala28]

imagine your life being dedicated to hating on a billionaire nba player cause some people consider him better than ur goat 😂 get a job unc

[@reillyhopf6508]

Lebron broke Kareem's scoring record in 150 games less than Kareem. "Oh but he had the 3 point line!" If you made every 3 Lebron made into a 2, he'd still have beaten Kareem's record in about 50 less games.

[@JigglesLovely]

@@reillyhopf6508also need to add that LeBron has taken more shots than Kareem

[@xKingKB7x]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@JigglesLovelyalso need to add that MJ averages more fga than Bron

[@DavidThomas-dy3kq]

MJ Shaq Kareem the only players to win scoring titles and 🏆in the same year MJ did that 6 times

[@Psiros]

I have and always will be a fan of MJ. But 40,000+ points total in a career, even with today's "soft defense" (which I believe to be true), is still monumental in itself. The amount of self-discipline to take care of your body for that long is something people really should strive for. It also requires luck that nobody falls on your foot or knee creating a career-ending injury in a sport where that could easily happen.

[@MicroWave233]

I mean lebron allegedly takes peds to boost his performance so it's combo of taking care of yourself and taking enhancers.

[@JigglesLovely]

@@MicroWave233I think that he either takes peds or uses a lot of money to keep himself in shape with dieting and workouts

[@benjaminguzmanuribe7680]

Clearly 10 titles is harder. Being the best offense 10 years. Bron is great in all aspects of games, but longevity got him there.

[@joshspears8507]

10 scoring titles is more impressive to me, one guy was great wvery year to get his record, the other guy just hung around long enough to get his 💯

[@EdwardWindhowl]

better offensive player, better defensive player. no debate here.

[@twick1663]

Iverson had 4 scoring titles