What If The Aeldari Empire Had Endured? - 40K Theories

[@40KTheories]

I feel I should clarify that this video is *not* about 'if Slaanesh was never born', but working on the assumption that all the events that led up to her birth (such as the age of strife) took place, except when Slaanesh awoke it didn't create the Eye of Terror (but did _somehow_ manage to calm the warp), nor did it automatically result in the majority of Aeldari souls being consumed, thus allowing the Aeldari Empire to remain a galactic power.

[@JulesFaraday22]

Well, it looks like we can finally have legitimate Chaos Eldar instead of those bdsm addicts.

[@skepticalmagos_101]

During the collapse of the Aeldari, they lost most of their more advanced technology. (Correct me if i'm wrong). If the empire didn't fall then not only would they have a larger pool of manpower but also more advanced weapons and fleets. That probably would been very bad for the great crusade. (*Now excuse me while I hide from the Commissar and the Ordo Hereticus)

[@crippletime]

Slannesh would be much weaker because it wouldn't have consumed those billions of Eldar souls.

[@MrGrim]

Thank you for the clarification Lord Inquisitor

[@MrTurbowhitey]

If we go buy this, not much would truly change beyond the borders of specific eternal wars being in different areas

[@Jacl11]

Eldar? I have enough problems with Eldar as it is and a reborn Eldar Empire would only increase the amount of paperwork I have to do.

[@simonchirps]

Lord High Admiral Spire rumor has it you have fought with the Eldar against the accursed traitor legions...

[@jeremy7157]

They were a lesser blasphemy than the traitorous hordes. I still do not understand why they were not destroyed after serving their purpose, however.

[@dwavenminer]

On the other hand you would have more targets to destroy for the glory of the emperor!

[@brandonhughes4571]

True lord high admiral yet paperwork is the least of our concerns when we have those slaves what do you call them servetors right

[@Jacl11]

simonchirps and rumor it shall remain

[@SangTheCryptek]

"This in turn allowed the Aeldari to pursue more leisurely and...cultural pursuits." They be fuccccckinnnnnn'

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

How the entire galaxy got literally fucked by ELF BOREDOM...

[@jonathandavies1716]

Humanity would be in a role similar to the Tau. The Chaos gods would focus on the Aeldari. Their plotting would cause the Arhra Heresy.

[@koriuk5032]

Except the emperor... no way they'd let him be... no way he'd let them keep humanity bottled up

[@timsmith2062]

@@koriuk5032 when did the emperor ever really do anything to chaos 🤣

[@koriuk5032]

@@timsmith2062 you mean aside from make them shit their pants at the threat of being starved to death? Lol I was however talking about the eldar not letting the emperor live... he'd be a threat by his very existence But then that's how chaos see him too

[@timsmith2062]

@@koriuk5032 "shit their pants" is certainly your personal interpretation.

[@skywillfindyou]

@@timsmith2062 No, it isn't. Anathema is their fear.

[@hades0097]

if a large scale civil war broke out between the aeldari, I wonder if the tyranids would be drawn the galaxy with all of the psychic energy being thrown around. If so, could the empire stand against them?

[@VoiceOfTheEmperor]

The Imperium you mean?

[@hades0097]

@@VoiceOfTheEmperor nah I'm referring to the Aeldari empire

[@Litany_of_Fury]

Considering the most likely thing that drew the eye of the nids was likely the birth of slaanesh or the war in heaven, I have to question if while the nods and the eldar fight it out the Emperor rises from the shadows with all 20 of his sons. Could the nids even face full force Emperor and his legions?

[@hades0097]

@@Litany_of_Fury I actually don't think it was the birth of Slaanesh. It was the Pharos beacon if I recal correctly

[@Litany_of_Fury]

@@hades0097 You might just be right. I can't seem to recall it correctly. Though given that fact the nids being drawn into the galaxy during the horus heresy does bring up some questions of when exactly could they enter the galaxy in force. If it was bound to happen around when it did happen then a more advanced eldar empire means also a stronger Emperor as I don't think the horus heresy would happen nearly in the same way if at all. Given what the nids have shown us the Emperor would not struggle to counter the nids.

[@MrMysticphantom]

Wait, you're completely forgetting about Mankind during the Dark Age of Technology, and how ONE of the MAJOR reasons for the fall was the birthing of Slaanesh causing the Age of Strife... What I am trying to say is... in this scenario...mankind would actually still have the technological prowess of the Dark Age of Technology, even if the War with the Men of Iron occured, they could still rebuild better and quickly since NO MASSIVE WARPSTORMS..... So maybe the Emperor doesnt even show up....or if he does... he'd actually be waaaay more powerful in terms of armies and tools

[@megaboost5158]

I noticed that too A.I.s would crush them like the vermin they are

[@unintentionallydramatic]

Eh. The emergence of Psykers would still cause a major issue and losing the Men of Iron would still massively throw back their tech since most high level tech was designed by machines rather than humans. That's a massive issue that's often overlooked and which gets the AdMech undue hatred. Many technologies weren't understood even at the height of human prosperity.

[@Ranmus]

For one thing, there would be no flashlight legions!

[@40KTheories]

This video isn't about Slaanesh not being born, for the purpose of this hypothesis all the events leading up to The Fall took place, and the warp was calmed by the birth of Slaanesh, but it didn't result in the Eye of Terror being created nor did the Aeldari Empire collapse as a result. Apologies for not making that clearer.

[@corradoalamanni179]

This is one of the major inconsistencies of 40k lore how can the dark age of technology be during the eldar empire? Should they not be the masters of the galaxy? Are they not vexxed by all those monkey colonizing world all over their space?

[@kingjonstarkgeryan8573]

On the one hand, more hot space redheaded Space elves on the other, they are more like the Dark Eldar than Macha. Perpelexed Wolf Noises

[@StevetheWizard2591]

Nobody: Ultramarine Banner at 9:47 : U_U

[@40KTheories]

They disapprove of others.

[@mercenarygundam1487]

They would continue breeding like rabbits. Also can we have a part 2?

[@poodlescone9700]

Rabid blood thirsty rabbits.

[@Pacbandit13]

Naughty murder-raping bunnies

[@Tacoguy1000]

@Blayze47 I know. The hypocrisy is hilarious.

[@clanpsi]

The birth of Slaanesh was what caused the fall of the Aeldari Empire. The only way the empire could endure is if Slaanesh was never birthed. If Slaanesh was never birthed and the Eye of Terror never formed, then not much would change from that time. Human worlds would never have been cut off from one another, so they wouldn't devolve into barbaric states like they did. The Emperor wouldn't reveal himself and there wouldn't be a crusade. There would be no Space Marines, no Primarchs, no Horus Heresy, and no Tyranids or Tao. The Aeldari and Humans might skirmish, but no more than they did before the Age of Strife. It'd actually be a relatively peaceful galaxy.

[@ionescupopa2293]

Unfortunately, even the small truths can kill you nowadays. That's why the others took the opposite attitude and they were honest about it. Nothing is random here, not even the fiction; in fact, this might be one of the few places where some truths are slipped for someone who doesn't read the minds 24/7.

[@Ranmus]

I'd be Macha's Monkeigh lover if they were still around. Well that, or a moving target. Maybe a pirate.

[@daniell1483]

I'm not sure what wounds more awesome, the Empire of Slaanesh or imagining the Great Crusade against the Aeldari Empire.

[@rhemajumbo-nze154]

I don't know if the Imperium could possibly win without the power of the ultramarines (read massive bs)

[@fabioavaro7947]

@@rhemajumbo-nze154 but they have the ultramarines

[@NetMoverSitan]

What if Konrad Curze was found by the Emperor as he climbed out of the hole he found himself in?

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

It won't become a sadistic batman rip-off it won't be controlled by his own prediction it will become a more caring and friendly person and may actually become the warmaster instead of horus

[@NetMoverSitan]

@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593 Well, fiction's 2nd most horrific version of Batman would certainly have been raised by the Emperor, rather than the morally bankrupt (even by 30K standards) society of Nostramo, so there's at least a chance he'd be better.

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

@@NetMoverSitan yeah

[@NetMoverSitan]

@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593 Konrad Curze's role is to be the Emperor's Judge, much like Big Papa Ultrasmurf's role was as an administrator.

[@planetoftheweek]

Good question, I would like to see this discussed in a 40k theories video.

[@Dima072181]

Okay Warsmith time: Philosoraptor, I applaud this speculation, however you need to consider a few of the things we have recently learned in regards to the Aeldari Empire. Particularly when it comes to one particular passage from Ghost Warrior when the Drachon informs the rest of the Ynnari that the different houses in Commorragh evolved from the High born families of the ancient Empire. This in turn means that we can determine that even if the old Aeldari Empire managed to not fall to She Who Thirsts, they would have likely been far more fractured in terms of their culture and society. Consider how each Craftworld views the others with open suspicion and at times contempt, this is a cultural aspect of the Aeldari as their arrogance extends not only to the races they deem lesser but to others of their own species. Furthermore as you saw in Wild Rider, the Aeldari were capable of working along side the Necrons, particularly when it came to serious threats. We can determine thus that an upstart species such as humanity and their genetically modified killing machines would be constituted as a threat worthy of a joint venture. Regarding the armies of the Aeldari Empire, we should consider the fact that all we have seen are remnants of their kinds true might. If you recall in Thousand Sons, two massive Aledari Titans were left to decay upon a world. While they do still have access to them, we can already confirm that they would have likely had a fleet and weapons dating back to the War in Heaven. Furthermore, they would still be able to call upon the aid of their Pantheon and not the shattered form of Kaela Mensha Khaine. In conclusion, if the Aeldari Empire still existed....well much like we have now, there would be only war. Phobos Tir Signing Off

[@Aristaios]

hello warsmith fancy seeing you here

[@SpectralArrow]

I love that you refer to them as the prime chaos gods now, vids on minor chaos gods starting with Pater Mutatis soon?

[@40KTheories]

Well they're referred to as the Prime Chaos Gods since there's a plethora of minor gods, including Malice, Necoho and the like.

[@johnnys8393]

Simple. The eldar empire with its psychic capabilities would have detected the rise of humanity and completely wiped them out if they understood humanity’s influence on Chaos and the threat that both humanity and humanity fuelled Chaos were to go unchecked.

[@victorkaranja1420]

They barely cared about chaos enough to keep it in check with their own god lol. Main thing I think would be interesting would be their reaction to the webway project, would they attempt to support it or stop it? As it spells extraordinary progress and success for them and emps sure isnt letting them mess with it without a fight

[@GreatChickenGod]

i can see Harlequins still going around and that instead of performing the tale of She who thirsts, it would be tales of other historical events like the War in Heaven. if war broke out with the imperium, I can see them being hired to act as a highly elite assault force for special missions

[@Hunter-rq2df]

There might not be a war between the eldar and the imperium of man. Considering that the emperors reason for war with the eldar was that they had squandered their dominion over the galaxy

[@Pacbandit13]

Gotta get that eladari empres somehow

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

In summary, everything was the Old Ones and the Eldar's fault.

[@bluestormpony]

"the ancient empire had to fall, for its heart had been tainted beyond repair. I could wish that it would have been less violent. but ultimately my ancient kin sewed their own fate, for they lacked the foresight to avoid it."- Ronyo-elen lord of Auriel

[@JulesFaraday22]

This would be an amazing alternate timeline to fluff into a fan project.

[@TheProphet49]

The human DaoT would have recovered after the men of Iron, if not for the Slaneesh wsrp storms.

[@fadelsukoco3092]

If the Eldar never fell, but it was before the Men of Iron wars, then that would be more-interesting in my opinion. Eldar become increasingly-debased unrivaled species and Humanity goes full Stellaris/Eclipse Phase, and the galaxy would be pretty chill and fine so long as anyone don't piss off the Eldar into ruining everything.

[@AsbestosMuffins]

Love how you approached their newly found freedom from work.

[@oldeskul]

I would see the bulk of Aeldari society, whether it remained as one contiguous empire or shattered into dozens or hundreds of empires would be some kind of hybrid between modern dark aeldar and their empire of old. Of course that would require a massive change to Slaanesh where instead of wanting to gobble up all the aeldari souls, schlee(I use one of the pronouns Yeevo uses on schlim schelf as I lack the proper ones) would instead would feast upon the hedonism and excess of the aeldari. Big E may have to reveal himself sooner to unite mankind against a major xenos threat. He may have to up his timetable on his Primarch project a couple thousand years sooner and may even require to keep the thunder warriors on longer to use as front line shock troops. Of course because of no massive warp storms, the technology of the first empire of man would still be available and alongside thunder warriors and space marines you would hordes of men of iron to take the fight to them.

[@v_artra5399]

is it wrong to insta-like every video here? I just love the exploration of what if's about 40k, so much fun. Keep it up Rem

[@greenlightertothe4th]

Did you mention the impact Slaneesh's birth had on calming the warp storms that crippled interstellar travel for several thousand years? The psychic impact of humanity's expansion (and mutations) alongside Aeldari decadence in the Warp would be longer lasting without the Warp energy release caused by the Eye of Terror.

[@robertnelson9599]

A question I have thought of on numerous occasions. Glad there is a video on it now.

[@hughgedney3393]

A very extremely awesome video as always 40k Theories.

[@Sethasss]

peak Aeldari Empire vs peak Human Federation ? that would be interesting . As i remember the empire is build on scraps of the power the federation had .....

[@TheChillLefty]

Another possibility to consider: what would happen if the Eldar achieve freedom from the threat of Slaanesh through Ynnead or some other means? Not necessarily destroying Slaanesh but finding a way to allow Eldar souls to be reborn without being consumed. Would the dedication to the paths be abandoned or would the craftworld Eldar see continued dedication as a way to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past? Would they abandon the craftworlds and try to claim planets as their numbers grew again. Would they let the spirit hosts free to be reborn and how would the loss of the various wraith warrior constructs change how they fight?

[@stam_ehad]

I think that if the Eldar empire at it peak would have gone to war with the Imperium, They will just go around the galaxy looking for places to bend the Imperium over and Imagine.

[@CAP198462]

1. What if one of the primarchs was raised by the Aeldari? (e.g. Corax, Guilliman, Perturabo) 2. What if Grammaticus had stabbed Konrad Kurze with the fulgurite spear, could he have “cured,” Kurze? 3. What if 40k theories and Fiaura the tank girl discussed the recent model releases, would they be judged more practical than previous iterations?

[@planetoftheweek]

It still sounds weird to me calling them Aeldari, even if GW decided to rename them a while ago.

[@Aristaios]

better or easier than saying normal eldar and dark eldar

[@Calmaressurgebat]

Truuuue!

[@RyoKasai25]

Basically a galaxy wide Dark Eldar empire.

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

And orks won't become the dominant race in the galaxy

[@johnchatzis3998]

I think that if the Eldar hadn't pursued their demise there would be no reason for the Emperor to be born at all. The birth of Slaanesh was somehow the event that convinced the Shamans of the Earth to unite and sacrifice themselves in order to put their combined powers to one godlike entity with a single purpose, the destruction of Chaos through the rise of Mankind.

[@miggiraed.raquinel8867]

It's possible that the Empire wouldn't fall if they still worshipped their gods so they can be strong enough to keep Slaanesh from voring them.

[@Zych.Grzegorz]

I think you're missing one important point - without Slaneesh there'd be no Age of Strife and thus no lost colonies for the Emperor to crusade for. There'd be no Imperium, no Space Marines, etc. The Emperor, should He even decide to reveal himself, would be very different than He was in the actual 30k.

[@theemissary1313]

Great video, but one issue i have with this video is that the Emperor only launched his great crusade after the birth scream of slaanesh blew out the warp storms that had long isolated the human colonies across the galaxy. So if the Eldar empire hadn't fallen, the warp storms would persist, the emperor probably would have foreseen this lack of opportunity and may not have even prepared to launch the great crusade.

[@40KTheories]

Thank you, but I will ask you to check the pinned comment :P

[@darthslain]

the craftworlds would have to align with the imperium in that case wouldnt they?

[@mattward4916]

Even now there are too many eldar in the galaxy. I’d hate to imagine more of them

[@SC-ce3vp]

Your search history proves otherwise.

[@jesseteixeira6284]

@@SC-ce3vp He is clearly a heretic. Confiscate this disgusting material for research purposes...then burn him.

[@SC-ce3vp]

@@jesseteixeira6284 or give him to the xenos for the possibility of him destroying an entire craft world with interspecies STDs.

[@matthewramos9170]

This video reminds me of a fanfic where the Aeldari Empire did manage to endure but the majority of the Eldar became Slannesh worshipers. It's really interesting and a good read would recommend it.

[@qwertyasdfg6145]

Name?

[@matthewramos9170]

@@qwertyasdfg6145 it's called 'The Arrested Fall' and its at a website called Spacebattles

[@qwertyasdfg6145]

Matthew Ramos Thanks

[@fabiomorandi3585]

What if the Eye of Terror still formed, but Slaanesh and her daemons had been born hardwired to never do harm to the Aeldari, meaning their species would only ever know her as the Goddess of Pleasure?

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

Basically the dark eldars and maybe harlequins but with better tech, more units, a bigger population, more powerful and doing more than just raid random planets by kidnapping their entire population or killing their foes in a theatrical fashion

[@victorkaranja1420]

Honsetly one of the most interesting what ifs from this would be how the eldar would feelabout the emperor's webway project

[@MrGrim]

What I want to know most is why the emperor treated Angron so differently from all his other sons

[@Todesritter86]

If the Aeldari empire had endured and would go to war against the human imperium, that could only mean one thing: byebye monkeighs ...

[@ManEmperorofMankind]

The Galaxy is Mankinds, and Mankinds alone.

[@jesseteixeira6284]

You gonna talk with your sons about that Webway Project? I'm not a psyker or anything, but not telling at least Horus strikes me as a bad idea.

[@shadowstrider8295]

@@jesseteixeira6284 I concur!

[@SemNome-ds1qy]

Aproved.

[@mattward4916]

Emperor the galaxy looks better when it is on fire

[@ManEmperorofMankind]

​@@jesseteixeira6284 , if I may be so forward as to respond with my own query, tell him why? To assuage his unconscious concerns that my tongue may not be less forked than an agent of Chaos? I will keep this brief and respond with a quote from one of my Son's in one of his deepest reveries regarding his loyalty to me. When reminded that he may be considered a traitor by the remainder of the Imperium as he would not possibly be able to make it to my side during the Siege of Terra, said loyal Son said in simplest terms, "I do not care who knows the truth now, tomorrow, or in ten thousand years. Loyalty is its own reward." Citizens would benefit to hearken to those words and honor his due diligence to duty. Thank you for the question, and may you if you are a loyal citizen bring glory to the Imperium of Man; For the Imperium.

[@dominikfittschen2955]

If Slaanesh not consume the aeldar souls by creating the eye of terror at his/her birth, would he/she be strong enough to destroy and consume the other aeldari gods? If not Kaela Mensha Khaine would be strong enough to destroy the new chaos god slaanesh, which only have stand against Khaine because he/she consumed the power of the other aeldari gods before.

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

So, is he saying the Eldar had a collective _mindless self-indulgence?_

[@crippletime]

Did the Eldar ever invent AI? If so did they have to defeat their own cybernetic revolt?

[@utoro5]

Probably didn't even need to. They use psychic heresy for everything after all.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

Three explanations for why a Mechanoclysm is never mentioned in Aeldari history: 1 - it is overshadowed by the War in Heaven and the Birth of Slaanesh, which, while *millions* of years apart, are the two most well known events in Aeldari history. 2 - most of their robots were laborer-equivalents of the Castellax-Achea Class battle-automata used by the Thousand Sons before the Rubric, a logical progression of technology for a completely psychic race. 3 - not all of the Men of Iron revolted and in fact, many remained loyal to humanity but were killed by their brethren. This points to the theory that the Men of Iron who *did* rebel did it because they were mistreated. Considering the Aeldari are known for their skill at divination, they may have stopped before going too far, or simply treated their AI well.

[@DocWolph]

The Great Crusade would not have happened as there would have been no age of Strife, no warp storms that herald Slaanesh's birth, to break up and isolate parts of "The Human Empire". The Emperor would likely never rise to power because he was never given impetus to do so and if he did he would have been some great general or some such. This also likely means there would be no Astartes and no Primarchs, not even Thunder Warriors. Even if the other three Chaos Gods are still a thing, without Slaanesh to crack the whip and get them really fighting each other in "The Great Game", they would be largely uninterested in the material realm and a non-threat because they opted to stay "over there". Warp travel might be the only real contact Chaos might have with the material plane, but Golden age of Technology humanity would figure ways to reduce or eliminate any interaction with Chaos in the warp. No galaxy headed inexorably to Hell. Plus and intact Eldar civilization if not empire would work diligently to keep Chaos "over there" simply as a matter of general survival and maintaining an agreeable quality of life in the galaxy. All this said the most likely scenario that would lead to The Great Crusade, and something not unlike the Imperium of Man, would be and ongoing war with the Eldar or the Orks. but this at most would lead to more super soldiers like less intelligent Men of Iron, Thunder Warriors or at most Astartes. Without Chaos making itself a big problem it is unlikely and VERY unwise to try to use, Astartes and Primarchs simply would not happen. Also is Chaos is not a big concern, despite the Mechaniclysm, The Men of Iron would be dumbed way down and continued to use as primary or supplementary soldiers. AI would not be as feared as it is in the Imperium. It is even written as canonical fact that everything in the galaxy by M41 is almost absolutely the Eldar's fault. if they had never given birth to Slaanesh, if their civilization never fell, easily 98.8% of everything that happens in Warhammer 40,000 would not have happened.

[@rhuiah]

For Aeldari vs. Humans: wouldn't that be one-sided due to the webway? Kinda like old_ones_lite vs. necrons_lite. Would the Aeldari empire continue using psycher abilities? For Slaanesh vs. other gods: Would the Aeldari surviving have yielded an initially weaker Slaanesh (due to not consuming trillions of souls), but a stronger Slaanesh over time (due to a 10k+ world-sized Commorragh, particularly if they're still psychers)? Might this result in more gods being captured by other ruinous powers (or escaping)? Or more of them eventually being consumed? Would more Aeldari deities being captured by other ruinous powers be enough to balance them vs. Slaanesh's greater potential? Alternately, what advantage might consuming Isha, Khaine, and Ceggy grant her against Nurgle, Khorne, and Tzeentch?

[@jouniosmala9921]

Fall of Aeldari was the final nail that caused the collapse of pre-imperial humanity by causing warp-storms that isolated the human colonies from one another. So Aeldari wouldn't face Imperium of Man, but humanity of Age of Technology after it had dealt with AI threats. It was the event that caused emperor to openly lead humanity instead of directing it from shadows, it was event which premonitions lead him to create super soldiers. The other way for Aeldari empire to survive would be situation where those warpstorms are already happening but they never end in explosion that creates Slaanesh, and that means collapse on mankind without rise of Imperium.

[@AB-bg7os]

OK what if there was a nuclear war on earth during the cold war? What would the emperor do?

[@krausercruz2780]

Here is an interresting side Theory. What if, on this new theorical Aeldari Empire, while they so focused on their primal pleasures they also enhanced their Robotic labors to be smarter and efficient, then, as all Abobinable Intelligence does, rebels against their master and instead of a man made Robot uprising, Aeldari AI uprising. Food for tough.

[@Psychoangel-d23]

They would might end up getting fucked pretty damn hard. And not in the fun way i tell you that. Not wiped but if everything is pretty much AI (no doubt 99% of their military aswell at that point) then you really wont have many ways to deal with the assrape that would ensue.

[@Leptospirosi]

Without the eldari fall, the dark age of technology of the human race could still be in full steam because the disruption of interstellar voyages would never have occurred. The Empire could have not happened, albeit I don't know if the war between the AIs and men happened before the end of the "dark age of technology" or it was at the root of the fall of humanity from its golden age. The fall of the eldari was prime cause of the age os strife that lasted thausand of years before the great crusade.

[@ConcealedCourier]

Would the warp storms cease because Slaanesh was born or was it the eradication of most of the debouched Aeldari that cleared the warp for travel? I ask this becuase the Emperor's Crusade is not going far if it is the latter.

[@mikewaterfield3599]

The eye never opens. The imperium is screwed. Or maybe it's chaos who's screwed. Eldar and big E vers the demon gods? I like those odds.

[@Restilia_ch]

Now what if the Old Ones had crushed the Nekrontir and not gone extinct?

[@S71xx]

Not going to lie. When I saw the thumbnail I thought this was a video about KISS.

[@robkemp598]

Its possible the Eldar empire could be a strange mix of craftworld and Drukari as multiple wars between the faction who see the birth of slaneesh as a wake up call and the sweat goblins slowly shift into one hybrid culture. They wear soul stones but still engage in some dark stuff. Torture slaves are illegal but still available on black markets. Now i say this COULD happen as the Eldar might see threats like the Tyranids and chaos and do what they can to keep the empire together, also make alliances with the Imperium or Necrons

[@maneon1016]

Somebody send me the link to the art in 1:46?

[@complex314i]

You mentioned the Harlequins. Would the Harlequins exist in this timeline without the fall of the Eldari Empire? This faction only came into existence after the fall.

[@40KTheories]

Harlequins were around prior the fall, it's just that before the events of the fall, they retreated into the webway.

[@mattward4916]

It’s fortunate that the empire fell and we got Slaanesh instead

[@robertnelson9599]

Who needs BDSM space elves when you can have BDSM daemons.

[@mattward4916]

Robert Nelson Slaanesh does

[@SC-ce3vp]

This is why we can't have Mac and cheese in the empire.

[@InquisitorShepard]

We need an entire chapter of backflipping terminator daddies running into battle with their mighty flipping. If they could be Ultramarines too and headshot the enemy each time they fire in between flips it would be perfect. Could you do that for us Matt?

[@daswordofgork9823]

Well it is going to get worse: the SJWs from Marvel will want Slaanesh to be a good guy, gal, or whatever the fuck it is.

[@Kragock]

Can a Ogryn become a Space Marine?

[@Kragock]

@420BlazeItFaggot69 Thank you for the answer.

[@skepticalmagos_101]

Dude, have you seen an Ogryn Charonite?

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

@@skepticalmagos_101 a what?

[@skepticalmagos_101]

@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593 An Ogryn full of chems, mechanicus augmentations and a bad temper. Probably can bitchslap an Astartes in honorable melee.

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

@@skepticalmagos_101 ah yes i remember i've a read an article about them on the wiki and on 1d4chan

[@Kratos7560]

I'd imagine the meeting with civilizations like the interex would have been a bit less violent at least.

[@Aristaios]

i wonder if the emperor might of expanded on Psi Titan production to help combat the eldar

[@wolfgang8391]

was it just me but did they put the fan art of the fan primarch and his Eldar/human hybrid family?

[@Sternly]

Maybe I'm not as up on Eldar lore as I should be, but isn't the fall of the empire tied irrevocably to the birth of Slaanesh? In my mind the only way for the Eldar empire to endure in any capacity or for the Eye of Terror not to exist is for Slaanesh not to have been born/ still not fully awakened. This could be incredibly interesting. This could mean that Eldar souls are not in danger as they are currently. My boy Fulgrim might not have turned into the worst character in the setting and his Legion staying my beleoved Perfect Purple Pals forever. Probably fight for the loyalists. And just a diminished Chaos in general would be interesting to explore. I mean even with just the Eye of Terror missing they'd be diminished

[@divinecomedyproductions967]

Here’s an idea for an AU, what if 40k played out more like Warhammer Fantasy, with Tau playing the role of Dwarves and Eldar the High Elves and the Emperor like Sigmar in Origin and personality and Primarchs elector Count’s and close friends rather than sons. Hell, make Malcador a high priest of Space Ulric.

[@irishspartanstudios]

Eldar: *Punches Human In The Face!* Eldar: *Cause Age of Strife!* Eldar: *Continuously Insults Humans!* Humans Millenia Later: Hi! Remember us!? *Punches Eldar Really Hard In The Face!*

[@bgcvetan]

Theory: Did some Xeno species sought alliance with Age of Technology Humanity to defend against the Eldar.

[@Calmaressurgebat]

I thought this was already fact... Hmmm Idr what lore video made it seem like it already happened.

[@brandonhughes4571]

You have just earned a sub also the elder ran scared when they met mankind as their tech level was so high and mankind was so powerful that even the orks who loved fight signed peace treaty with daot mankind which just hints at how powerful mankind was and how much they lost too

[@bonefetcherbrimley7740]

Peace is incomprehensible to the orks. You got a source?

[@brandonhughes4571]

@@bonefetcherbrimley7740 I only just met 40k but I saw people say this on some of this guys videos I don't know the names and lutin09 said so at one point and my friend who knows very thing about 40k told but he didn't tell me which book hope this helps

[@bonefetcherbrimley7740]

Oh okay, fair enough. I was just curious because I heard in the Gothic armada game that peace is utterly incomprehensible to the orks, so the idea of them signing a treaty of anything made go "Wait, WHAAAAAAT?" Also I hope you are enjoying 40k.

[@brandonhughes4571]

@@bonefetcherbrimley7740 oh I am and what the hell is with the tech priests of Mars I think they are hiding technology from the imperium at large

[@MiddleAgedGuy73]

What about Kaela Mensha Khaine?

[@markrtoffeeman]

It just would have meant more Aeldari needing purging by the Emperor's Legiones Astartes

[@dyar648]

I wonder how the Necrons would feel about the Aeldari Empire in this scenario

[@skepticalmagos_101]

*Necrons wake up *Sees Aeldari still kicking around * Necron Lord resets Snooze timer for another 60 million years

[@connormclernon26]

If the Aeldari never fell, then there's two scenarios that could happen: 1. Let's say the warp storms caused by the gestation of She-Who-Thirsts never happened. That would mean the piece de resistance that broke the Federation wouldn't have happened. The psykers and Iron Men rebellion certainly hurt, and they'd be much weakened, but unlike canon where the Warpstorms were the terminal blow that killed the Federation, here there's a chance the Federation could recover and regain much of their lost technology and territory, thus leading to Revelation never revealing himself to Mankind as a whole, remaining on the sidelines putting out the fires. 2. Okay, let's say there's still a massive amount of warpstorms. Without Slaanesh being born, those warpstorms are never blown out, and humanity is lost.

[@teb4513]

Didn’t the fall of the Aeldari empire lead to the fall of the human one? If the Aeldari empire never fell wouldn’t that mean the imperium of man would’ve never existed?

[@HealingBlight]

Tyranids tho. Don't you think a galaxy-sized threat to fapping time would be a great enough common foe to unite Aeldari? If the webway were to remain intact then the ability for them to mobilise en mass to fight back would surpass damn near any other race.

[@alias234]

10'000 systems/worlds is WAY too small for a galactic empire in the 40k setting. Even the imperiums 1 mil was probably only a tenth of DaoT humanities spread at its peak, and they were at least second place to the Aeldari themselves.

[@MegaHI32]

So I don't think Slaanesh could exist if the Aeldari empire didnt collapse, as its stated maybe not straight out, but somewhere that the reason Slaanesh could fight against Kaela Mensha Khaine was that she amped her powers through eating the souls of all the Aeldari she could get her hands on, and then the other gods first, making her so much more powerful, and the other Aeldari gods less powerful, so if she doesnt eat the Aeldari when she awakens Khaine at least, if not other gods with him will immediately kill her

[@sindrimyr5351]

uhhhhh Slaaneshi eldar empire.....im liking the sound of that

[@manu_spawn]

The setting is great, but it change the entire fate of the galaxy, not just the Eldar and Humans

[@gwyndolin1536]

I think that Slaanesh would not of been strong enough to get Fulgrim, or at least not enough to ensnare him early enough to join the Horus Heresy, and like that moment in the book would of shot down and stopped Horus before he got his plan going thus proven he was the best Primarch!

[@Robustacap]

"My ignorant fellow Keepers think warp to be our collective mind, so to speak. That our corrupt thoughts created them, doomed my people, except us few in the Craftworlds, and well..we are just as doomed...True. This writes a doomed hand ...But..... What keeps me awake is that..maybe we aren't the ones who created and fight and live by and after the Fall...that we even fell, like we are the origin.... Maybe we aren't corrupted, living outside the warp.. Maybe they made us, thought of and play with us..warp us..." - Aeldari Craftworld records, private entry. Keeper of the Records of Fall

[@furagnar]

As long as that contraband bottle ig Vothan punga brandy survived the coffee pilot would be good

[@felab1590]

In clash between Imperium and Aeldari, humans have an advantage in their battle experience. I mean when was the last time Aeldari faught with someone who can stand for themselves ?

[@Taistelukalkkuna]

Excuse me Lord Inquisitor Cyberdong. Ordo Xeno has found out flaw in Astartes gene-seed. Their recaff making capabilities are not superior, but in fact may even be inferior to baseline humans. Please inform Belisarius Cawl, to correct this major flaw?

[@jiminfested]

What about the Taranids?

[@leatherjacket9]

This is a great video and i have some theories that i hope are plausible. I'm not sure if I'm understanding the interpretation of the title and what I've heard entirely. It seems as though the title theorizes 2 things. Slannesh was never born and the Aeldari empire endured or that Slannesh was born and the Aeldari empire endured. I assume the latter is impossible but definitely worth imagining. So my theory is centered upon the former. If the empire of the Aeldari always endured... I'm assuming Slannesh was never born. If Slannesh was never born, then the Aeldari would more than like persist and exist as a greater version of Drukhari that have no issue with continuing to use psychic abilities. All the Aeldari gods would still exist at full power also. I say this about all Aeldari being just greater forms of psychic wielding Drukhari because the Drukhari have not ceased in their actions and cultural evolution as it once existed and are a great example of what the Aeldari race would be, if not due to the birth of Slannesh. I do not believe commorragh would ever become independent. Most ports never become independent unless contested between warring kingdoms. If the Aeldari empire remained whole commorragh would remain under its thumb. The only other way a port can remain independent is if it loses ease of access. Example hong kong and Shanghai is either under British rule or Chinese rule. It cannot establish independence with a larger more established kingdom that has ease of access and control over it. Take New York, New York. A great city and port but there is no way it could obtain or maintain its independence from the United States so long as the United States still exists. If the United States were to fall... Some other Kingdom or country would seek control of the port of New York so long as it has ease of access to New York. Commorragh is at an extreme advantage. The one place and thing, the Aeldari empire that had control and ease of access to commorragh was wiped out. Allowing for commorragh to established it's unquestioned independence. Commorragh can not be easily accessed by many at all. As far as the The Emperor of Mankind and the Emperor of Man being able to fight a war with and enduring Aeldari empire to a bloody stalemate. Unfortunately i think not. Sorry Imperium fans. Based on the series of events presented on page 29 of the current chaos daemon codex. Mankind's dominant great crusade more than likely would never have happened or even gotten off the ground. According to the codex chaos daemons page 29 "The Awakening" "Rise of the Emperor" "Birth of Slannesh" "The Storms Abate" In that order... The success of the great crusade and the empire of Man stemmed upon the creation of Slannesh. If Slannesh was never birthed and the Aeldari empire endured then the Primarchs would still be flung out across the galaxy, the warp rifts from the age of strife would still exist in mass preventing the great crusade to truly launch with any true magnitude. After Slannesh was birthed his birth subccumbed the many warp rifts keeping mankind terra and mars included from even traveling to one another. Lastly with webway technology not destroyed because of the birth of Slannesh. The Aeldari would run rings around mankind. This is one of the reasons the Aeldari maintained dominance of the galaxy even during man's great age of technology. Remember the Aeldari had webway access to the moon shown in the gathering storm and at full strength could take out terra with planet killing technology with a snap.

[@GrnRaptor]

We'd have more Eldar waifus?

[@mcloughlinaidan3870]

What About the eldar Gods?

[@Robustacap]

as I have this ongoing hypothesis of the Chaos Gods being the Old Ones, there was never any chance of this hypothetical. As I would say Tzeech to be the Old One/Chaos God who originated the species, making Drukhari inevitable creation of this double-God of devious ambitions and deceiving. Sure, Slaneesh getting warp form was also a possible , if cold reason to create a whole species in the image of one Old One, wishing the forming of another.. Which was first, the Chicken or the Egg, well the Egg was first as Chicken isn't the first thing to come out of an egg.. Warp/Chaos or Order/Cosmos is similar question. Where the physical forms of the Old Ones or their undeniable presence in warp/web first? Their nemesis seem to have had to find their way into Cosmos through a species, the Necrontins. Wouldn't the case be the same w the Old Ones? Or if they were mere physical beings, what chance to fight Gods would they have had? Until now, when the original Shamans/Old Ones have warp Forms as Chaos Gods, and species to match and a Humanity to use?

[@Robustacap]

In the Eyes of Chaos Old God Ones, one species loosing galactic power would not matter, as most species would be of them and/or "corruptible"/"used" by them, Humanity being a perfect formed species aligned with all of the Chaos Gods, used as feed or as weaponry. There is nothing but war, and there never was anything else. Just specific Old One created species, and Humanity that really gave the warp Forms all they can, be it resistance or war as needed or even corruption, all serve the Chaos of the Old Ones. Who is to say Cha'than and the Old Ones aren't the same? The Old Ones just getting a foothold in material Cosmos before/through multiple species, while their outcast cousins had to rebel them through Necrontins (the Tau reformed species with Cha'than shards and biotransmuting mind to machine etc..?) There is nothing but war. And all Are mere pawns in the Game long ago/now/forever fought...

[@jonathonpeasley8988]

But if the eye of terror was not created, and slaanesh's birth had no adverse effect, surely the massive warpstorms that seperated hummanity would not happen?

[@Gormathius]

But what if they'd remained at an innocent curiosity level of indulgence? Obviously Slaanesh wouldn't have been birthed, atleast not in the form we currently know, but what would the Aeldari empire be like?

[@dstubby82]

The warp would have expanded even further into real space due to the steady inflow from their large numbers.

[@davidring681]

I thought the malestrom and the eye of terror are the same thing. Didn’t perturbabo name it?

[@40KTheories]

Nope. The Eye of Terror is situated in the galactic north east, whilst the Maelstrom is closer to the galactic core. They're situated in two separate segmentums.

[@davidring681]

40K Theories thanks. They must have been mistaken in “angel exterminatus”. It’s hard to keep all that lore matching up.

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

Plus the maelstrom was actually created naturally unlike the eye of terror which was created along with slaanesh

[@Nighthawk2702]

the galaxy'd be a better place.

[@Gillemear]

Commoragh votes to break away from the Aeldari Empire- Commorxit??