Can Chaotic Corruption Ever Be Undone? - 40K Theories

[@40KTheories]

Note: This video is *not* about whether traitors can be redeemed, but rather if the physical and spiritual corruption caused by Chaos can itself be undone. For a video detailing the potential redemption of traitors, click here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oquuiIWiZqaWnNU

[@akumaking1]

Since the C’Tan love to feast on souls, are they capable of devouring warp entities?

[@seamoose5654]

I love the opening to your videos but have you ever thought of using a new one? If not it's cool just curious. Also great video as always

[@gc6096]

There’s a new cinematic out it’s Horus hearsay! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2G2lmhtgtqcgpo

[@zanir2387]

there is a doubt i have: do you think the "chaos removing power" from another franchises can undonde the chaos corruption? let's say, the spiritual purification from korra, from the legend of korra, or the enchantix dust from winx club? i mean, could be funny to see a chaos marine turn back into normal by a fairy XD....

[@triratna1397]

Use Ghal maraz.

[@casbot71]

_Vork briefly becomes his uncorrupted self during teleportation_ *Chief Miles O'Brien:* Sorry about the transporter malfunction.

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

If Chaotic corruption can't be cured, there's always a bolt shell to the face

[@ChillAssTurtle]

or a mere thought or press of will from *The Emperor, beloved by all*

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

@@ChillAssTurtle The Emperor's love often takes the shape of a bolt shell to the face in the case of traitors.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 his will be done my lord. 'shatters kneecap kneeling before a vaunted son of Dorn'

[@secretlythevillian8831]

To quote Ciaphus Cain: "I've yet to meet a witch that didn't find a lazbolt to the head a severe inconvenience!"

[@singletona082]

Lets not be stingy here. They deserve our charity as well as mercy. Barrel of promethium to keep them warm in these trying times. We'll even light it for them. As a way of showing that we care for their immortal soul.

[@DanteNDigitalis]

I've always loved 40k Lore, never quite got into gaming but your channel amongst the several other awesome 40k Channels are my absolute favourites. Thank you for these wonderful videos.

[@V.B.Squire]

I call 40k "Star wars on steroids"

[@bankotsu2a]

I love the lore and only buy models for the fun of building them, I stopped gaming a looong time ago

[@novaprospects]

These types of channels and the audiobooks/books are the best part of 40k. Pretty much every other part of it has Games Workshop consistently smothering anything that's affordable/enjoyable about it.

[@UGNAvalon]

Plus this particular channel is so newbie-friendly! I can never get tired of hearing “the warpspace rift known as the Eye of Terror”. 😁

[@wessthemess117]

Amber king is also a good one☺️

[@Lumen_Obscurum]

I would also argue that Yvraine proved you could cure the physical blight of chaos when she reversed the Rubric of Ahrimann. As the revived marines didn't begin falling to mutation and spawndom, it can be assumed that their physical bodies were at least temporarily stable. This physical state may have been temporary from the beginning, as it appears Yvraine was merely using it as a short-term bargaining chip and had them killed to prevent Ahriman from discovering her ruse.

[@40KTheories]

True, although technically you could argue that she didn't cure the taint of Chaos when reversing the Rubric, as the Rubric itself was an attempt to purge Chaotic Corruption from the Thousand Sons (albeit with horrific side effects). So did Yvraine truly undo the effects of Chaotic Corruption? Or did she just restore the physical forms of the Thousand Sons? That's the real question I feel ^^

[@Lumen_Obscurum]

@@40KTheories It's also possible she didn't undo the effects of the rubric, but actually completed the spell on those particular marines. We don't fully know what Magnus' intervention had on the Rubric itself though it is possible the spell was incomplete and Magnus stopped it because it couldn't be completed with their knowledge/power, Yvraine could complete it using her power as the emissary of Ynnead. It could even be that what she did was empowered by Ynnead as it moved them from undying to mortal and thus possibly within her sphere of influence.

[@Demicleas]

@@40KTheories there was one time I belive we're some plauge marines accidently warped out into a sun witch bassicly burned away there taint completely and caused them to have a mental breakdown over the atrocities they committed untill they all died a horrible death, so yes it can be cured you just need to make sure not to be burned to death by the sun.

[@RA10H56]

Your entire exchange makes me feel like dilettante .

[@BahamutEx]

@@Demicleas burn them with holy flames

[@Eliphas_]

I remember there were 2 extra instances where this was achieved somewhat: 1) I remember a story where there was Plague Marine and a Sister of Battle. SoB was friend with the astartes before his downfall, so she went to the Eye of Terror or something to redeem him. He eventually redeems himsel by suicide bombing himself with the Daemon Prince he was serving to. 2) I also remember a story where a group chaos space marines (Nurgle Plague Marines always for some reason) where they got… freed from chaos corruption for a brief moment. Then, when they looked each other, they felt extreme disgust and shame with themselves. Can’t remember fully but it should be something like this

[@40KTheories]

In regards to the first instance, I talked about that in our video about whether or not Traitor Astartes can find redemption (it's linked in the pinned comment :3)

[@robertnelson9599]

The latter group was cut off from the Warp. They died in agonizing pain shortly afterwards.

[@fcomolineiro7596]

@@robertnelson9599 Wich means that nurgle twisted motives are wrong, and that he controls those that serve him maybe even controlling their feelings and sentiments Now that's bad

[@UGNAvalon]

@Fco molineiro So you’re saying Nurgle _doesn’t_ have my best interests at heart when he promises to free me from suffering and be given a life of endless celebration?? I’ve been bamboozled!!

[@AlshainFR]

@@fcomolineiro7596 Twisting your feelings is what Chaos thrives on

[@gryphonofmight]

Welcome back Inquisitor!

[@rexlumontad5644]

There was one case of someone whose Chaos corruption had been undone and it was Tornus the Redeemed. He was once known as *Torglugg the Despised* , a Chaos Champion of Nurgle but a small part of his noble spirit remained deep within the corruption and Celestant-Prime smashed him with Ghal Maraz to set it free, allowing him to be reforged into a new member of the Stormcast Eternals.

[@40KTheories]

I imagine the attributes of the Ghal Maraz are similar to those of the Dionysian Spear, in that they're imbued with their creator's divine energy and can drive the taint of Chaos from one's body, similar to how Russ was able to temporarily drive the influence of the Ruinous Powers from Horus during their duel.

[@Neo232100]

In addition to that Tornus is apparently forming a brotherhood called the Redeemed that is made up of other People who were similarly purified as he was. So it's nice to know this wasn't a one off.

[@TehOmnissiah]

Ew, age of sigmar should not be considered any benchmark for anything. Especially good story telling.

[@Neo232100]

@@TehOmnissiah Sorry that you don't like AOS buddy. Hope ya have a good day.

[@UGNAvalon]

The Warp is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural…. Including multiversal crossovers. ;D

[@rexlumontad5644]

4:48 There was a Loyalist clone of Fulgrim being pure uncorrupted DNA and he is currently at Trazyn the Infinite's collection. It would have been interesting to see Loyalist Fulgrim Clone atone for his sins by fighting for the Imperium and lead his Chapter of Loyalist Emperor's Children, like the Sons of the Phoenix that looked and acted like the Pre-Heresy Third Legion.

[@40KTheories]

Yup, we've talked about the clone in our video about Trazyn's collection :)

[@rexlumontad5644]

@@40KTheories Awesome, I will check it out. Thanks.

[@floridaball4896]

@@40KTheories I've always wanted a what if video from you detailing what could happen if the fulgrim clone managed to escape from Trazyn's museum

[@40KTheories]

Maybe sometime in the future :)

[@asaenvolk]

@@40KTheories Please do, a video on Fulgrim's clone escape would be fun. I am sure it was meant to be a little fun story for a writer, but the idea of the uncorrupted clone interests a lot of people.

[@guyver441]

"If it is redemption you seek, I shall give it to you..." **bolter shot to face** ~ Brother Captain Gabriel Angelos I think it is a moor point, whether Imperium or any faction no one would ever trust a "cleansed" servant of Chaos. There would always be doubt, blame, mistrust, and the very real possibility of re-corruption.

[@thatorangeguy3646]

This is by far the best subject you have ever thought of

[@yabarber6902]

I think it’s worth looking into the book tech priest dominus. The main tech priest Omnid Torquora undoes chaotic corruption from one of his captured servants by holding him next to a gellar bomb and letting the gellar waves wash over him

[@secretlythevillian8831]

I remember in one of the Cain books, Cain brings Jurgan with him to confront a group of slanneshi cultists that and up raising a demon, formally the sorceress Emily. When near Jurgan, she seems to not feel any inclination towards redemption, just extreme discomfort, anger, and confusion that she is not so invincible as she thought.

[@Makorze]

In one of the later books, one of Cains students gets corrupted and Cain has Jurgen slowly back away to determine the range of Jurgen's blankness to nullify it. Later in the book he has Jurgen do the same on two corrupted SoB but the corruption was so deep that they immediately go into seizures before they commit suicide from the horror of what they had become.

[@iconicusensign9624]

Bro what book is this? This sounds interesting.

[@secretlythevillian8831]

@@iconicusensign9624 The one I mentioned is the third book, "The traitor's hand". The other one is "Cain's last stand" the sixth book I think.

[@Makorze]

@@iconicusensign9624 the one i mentioned is from Cain's Last Stand. That book is also great because it gives a great example how insane Cain's reputation is when he practically gets an entire planet to volunteer for Guard duty with a single voxcast. (Theres also a very interesting Canoness who would literally make the SoB on the tabletop more popular if all of them were like her.)

[@luckystranger4312]

Thank you for the video!, Hope you are doing well

[@johnnyblaze4053]

It's been too long!!.. thank you for all of your brilliant contributions!!

[@edmundthespiffing2920]

By the Gods! Welcome!

[@ternel]

I seem to recall a handful of Rubric Marines being fully restored before being cast into the webway... It seems like nearly everything is able to be healed. Even the black rage as shown by Mephiston

[@40KTheories]

In fairness, the Thousand Sons being reduced to dust is in itself technically the result of Ahriman's attempts to rid the legion of Chaotic Corruption.

[@ternel]

@@40KTheories true. The line between a psyker ritual mishap and chaotic corruption is thin, especially given the God involved (Tzeentch)

[@MrLaz0rz]

@@40KTheories can't be corrupted if u don't have a body. Chaos btfo

[@williamblack6912]

There are two instances where the Rubric spell Was undone. One Rubric marine was restored by Ahriman's second rubric. The others were restored by Yvraine's power before she killed them again.

[@cthulhupthagn5771]

@@williamblack6912 yes, but both of those have an asterisk next to them. In the case of the one who came back, it is strongly implied in the narrative that it was a tzeentch trick to kind of encourage our man to continue digging in exploring remember, he's all about change and knowledge unchecked. As for the other instance you mention, Ramirez mentions another comment that it's possible that they were not actually and truly cured, and she killed them before our man could discover the ruse

[@birthday_Jake]

Good to have you back 🖤

[@rhuiah]

Just have a sensei punch the corruption right out of them, redeeming even the most corrupt chaos warband leaders into loyal allies with the power of friendship.

[@BlasphemousDreadnought]

Just finished The Lord's of Silence the other day. Excellent read.

[@o.w.n.1327]

who could had thought that the one of the most honorable and understanding chaos character be a walking plague. Know this your chapters geneseed will be destroyed by my hand none will be taken none will be defiled. Bodies of your warriors will not be mutilated. Those taken alive will have honorable deaths. Legit I already loved Vorx but those lines just made him my favorite Chaos Marine. Hail to the Siege Master.

[@eisenhorn5494]

Vorx is best boi

[@o.w.n.1327]

@@eisenhorn5494 now I don't want a plague marine to die like while you are reading the novel you can tell he is just a legionere following his primarch and doing his job nothing more and I melted when mortarion asked him to come to ultramsr with him you can tell he was so happy to hear that. NOW WHERE IS THE FUCKING MODEL GW?!?

[@jasoncown]

@40K Theories - thank you for continuing to post your lore videos. Your commentary helps me relax and enjoy the lore in a way other channels can't!

[@supercellodude]

Can the Emperor serve as a "focus" for the power of the Warp flowing from the sacrificed psykers into purifying phenomena and processes? The effects of the Astronomican on certain planets and individuals are known, but can He still exercise control over such a torrent of power?

[@JoacinoDaGona]

It probably would have the effect similar to what sunlight and a magnifying lens does to ants. I suppose you could try to blast the chaos gods, but as energy cannot be destroyed, only dissipated, I think having a million skarbrands running around instead of one Khorne is not the kind of victory the Imperium is looking for.

[@Makorze]

@@JoacinoDaGona There was that Inquistor who the Emperor literally destroyed then remade him on.a molecular level to cure him... all while freezing time. So yes, chaos corruption can be cured but you need power on par with a warp-god to do it.

[@JoacinoDaGona]

4:16 That should be a "Shoot first, ask questions never!" policy.

[@MrMacavity]

Always nice to see more videos, keep up the good work ❤

[@Balevolt]

Well, when possession is exorcised the hosts mutations disappear. I have no idea how it would work on just random chaos corruption.

[@Sephvion]

Could the Hrud's time distortion not somehow be used, assuming it could be harnessed? I remember a story that a Servitor reverted back to his non-lobotomized self, when he was hit with the Hrud's time shenanigans.

[@40KTheories]

Theoretically it could. But given that even brief exposure to a Hrud's field will often result in death by advanced aging...

[@dialaskisel5929]

A more profound question: If machines can be tainted by chaos corruption, are there any limits to the types of machines that can be affected? Can a toaster be tainted by chaotic corruption? If so, can it follow Korne, the Blood God? At that point, could you have Toast for the Blood God?!

[@rigelcummins1460]

Yes, but you can only toast cornbread to make Korne-bread.

[@guyver441]

A tzeentch dedicated toaster would be the worst. Toast always coming out at random levels of burnt...or even raw dough!

[@Matt-md5yt]

This is awesome

[@greys_plastic]

What happened to that spear or Russ'? Seems like a pretty powerful artefact to have been misplaced.

[@40KTheories]

Check out the Space Wolf novels by Bill King. Much of the plot focuses around the spear :)

[@stewartthorpe2533]

Interesting! Well done!

[@aelminiatures]

Could necron chronomacny work?

[@40KTheories]

I know that idea is the plot of the new Ahriman novel (which I haven't had a chance to read yet). So we'll find out in that, with luck!

[@firockfinion3326]

I feel like putting someone who was heavily mutated by chaotic corruption near a blank for an extended period would just kill them. As all the Warp shenaniganery that was keeping their mutated body alive in spite of medical impossibilities would likewise be turned off.

[@40KTheories]

That's always a possibility, yeah. It's why the blank idea is pretty much only conjecture at this point.

[@00784865]

Death is a form of cure to those warped by the ruinous powers.

[@flavortown3781]

You could keep them on the edge of the area the blank effects zo that it happens slowly? Maybe

[@aagwfan]

Just read, "Author Interview - Ben Counter" from the thebolthole: Arguleon Veq from Daemon World is one of the most loved villains, some would say hero, in the setting. How did his tale start? Ben Counter: Veq is there to demonstrate that Chaos is a lie. Chaos is a wonderful adversarial force because it can be anything, and it only really has one rule - if you give in to it, you will be corrupted, and become something awful. Bowing to Chaos is never, ever worth it, no matter what you might get out of it. Veq is one of the few people who went too far, realised it, and managed to drag themselves out of it. That was the core of the character, someone who could illustrate something fundamental about what Chaos is and how it works. He was almost a deamon prince and what Veq did with the Maelstrom wasn't a small thing. By the end of the story he seems to have undone quiet a lot of what chaos has done to him.

[@user-cz4tk2vr9i]

There is this short story called, Daemonblood by Ben Counter (There is a fantastic narration here on youtube, can't recall the channel though) and the plague marine's physical corruption in the story wasn't "undone" per se but found redemption and upon death, his spirit was cleansed.

[@40KTheories]

I talk about that story in the video that's in the pinned comment ;)

[@lieutenantpolo]

So there are 2 novels tie in's to the skitarii and cult mechanicus codexs from 7th edition of 40k. They were called "Adeptus Mechanicus: Skitarius" and "Adeptus Mechanicus: Tech-Priest" Both were written by Rob Sanders. While I don't personally think they were particularly good novels, they did have a very interesting example of chaos corruption being undone. To summarize it quickly, there is a skitarii officer/alpha called "Alpha Primus Haldron-44 Stroika" and he is part of an admech expedition lead by "Magos-Explorator Omnid Torquora" They both work to capture a lost forge world taken by the dark mechanicus, and stroika eventually gets captured by the chaos forces, which leads into the 2nd book, were the magos torquora is continuing the campaign, 6 months or so later. Magos torquora is eventually ambushed in his quarters aboard his flagship, by stroika who turns out was given a bunch of chaos infused cybernetics, and thus heavily corrupted, and brainwashed to kill torquora, but he hesitates at the last moment, and torquora begins chanting various prayers to the omnissiah and such, which along with a kind of "Null generator" device he is using, starts to "wash away" the corruption from stroika. Its described as stroika vomiting up a black tar like substance, while the chaotic implants are burned away, until he is basically just a head/torso, left clean of corruption, though stroika is very traumatized and in agony from the experience. Torquora takes stroika and implants him into a kataphron destroyer body, albit with some of his previous self/will preserved, as torquora is somewhat fond of stroika, due to his previous good service, in the first book. I quite liked this whole arc, as it shows that the mechanicus, also has a religious flavor to them, which I think tends to get forgotten about a lot in most 40k books/lore etc.

[@jasongrundy1717]

Was very common in Inquisition War where the Illuminati intentionally got possessed and threw off the daemon.

[@Seraphim227]

My boy stroika got done dirty, he deserved better.

[@almasyelesbayev736]

WH40K: Can Chaotic corruption be cured? No! Hammer to the face! AoS: Can Chaotic corruption be cured? Yes! Hammer to the face!

[@40KTheories]

Technically there's also spear to the gut ;)

[@almasyelesbayev736]

@@40KTheories it's not very effective (

[@luizasr3495]

maybe that is the problem. Big E needs to ditch that punny flaming sword and start using a proper golden hammer

[@almasyelesbayev736]

@@luizasr3495 exactly! More hammers for Warhammer!

[@supercellodude]

Are the mutations and alterations made to organisms and objects "responsive" to emotion and belief? The Orks have the ability to believe in constructs, and they function due to that belief altering reality. Can something similar happen for when Choas cultists interprets changes as "blessings"?

[@CRMSN_RDR]

Orks unlike most species are immune to such things and even then the fact that they spill blood in such visceral ways makes it so khorne can feed of them still

[@dragonplaysyt3774]

Now I think, what if Big E and Isha cooperated for a simple goal, weakening nurgle, Big E by freeing Mortarion, and Isha by earning her own freedom, if they worked together, they might gain the ability to do it, Isha then would probably go to webway to (relative) safety from Slanesh, while Mortarion, and possibly some of his sons, come back to Imperium, this perhaps would lead to stronger Eldar-IoM relations, as basically both factions gods would probably agree on that matter since they have mutual goal of defeating Chaos, but of course, this is only a theory

[@151monka]

"Of course this is only a theory..." A CHAOS THEORY (MatPat can be cringy, but i still think this is funny)

[@yojon4905]

@@151monka I chuckled 😂

[@singletona082]

I know there is a caiphas cain book where mental corruption and influence was temporarily removed when Jergan (his aid, and also a blank) got close enough. However the control reasserted itself after Jergan stepped away. The kid blew his own brains out when he realized he couldn't maintain control of himself. 'Commisar Donal sends his regards.'

[@theeinqusition1]

I don't think so. When there's so much taint that it binds flesh with the power armor no. You can see that with the sisters of battle Miriael Sabathiel as an example to even Typhus. I mean the man was dead in the first place but still Addendum: I believe it also depends on the state of mind and space-time. Such as when the Thousand Sons were reverted to back to flesh on multiple occasions.

[@robertnelson9599]

I think it depends on the level and nature of the corruption. A low level plague marine may be cured by Isha, but not a champion or daemon prince.

[@CatDad63089]

FINALLY!!! I think I asked you about this pre pandemic lol. Awesome vid!

[@cp1cupcake]

I'm not these count, but after Ephrael Stern's last resurection, she was wondering around in a fugue state and curing plagues of Nurge from those nearby. You also have Yvrainne restoring the flesh bodies of Rubric Marines.

[@40KTheories]

I wouldn't count Yvraine in this instance simply because she undid the effects of the Rubric, which was Ahriman's attempt to undo Chaotic Corruption. So if anything Ahriman did the work, Yvraine just brought them back to life.

[@svagglaorde4387]

Answer: Only GW's power of random bullsh*t alone can do this.

[@sterasigma8734]

So basically, Chaos twists whatever it corrupts about as much as the Emperor twisted the proverbial knife in Mortarion.

[@InquisitorMatthewAshcraft]

9:32 Smiling parrot?

[@SAwfulEPM]

Allegedly, physical objects tainted by Chaos can be consecrated, purified, or what-have-you, but that's a significantly different ballgame than a living being. Daemon Weapons being remade into, for example, the Gauntlets of Ultramar come to mind.

[@plaugemarine]

Take this with a pinch of salt, but I think that was The Emperor talking thru Guilliman to Mortarion.

[@40KTheories]

It is a possibility, yes.

[@chroniccinema5628]

Great video.

[@Toto-95]

not without some serious deux ex machina and plot armor !

[@Trepex_VE]

I wonder if Ephrael Stern could manage it. She has the raw power (being a gestalt consciousness of hundreds of deeply faithful Sororitas), if not the knowledge and expertise.

[@michaelhowell2326]

Would that time an Aeldari turned some the Rubric Marines back into flesh and bone count?

[@40KTheories]

Personally I don't think so, since Yvraine had reversed the side-effects of the Rubric, whereas the Rubric itself was an attempt by Ahriman to undo the effects of Chaotic Corruption within his legion.

[@charion1234]

I keep hearing about the Shattered mirror story. Should I truly get it and should I go hardcore and get the audio book?

[@theeternalchronicler3072]

It's only in audio format. Should you get it? Only if you are completionist or want to know why fulgrim truly turned into the master he became. But in my and others opinion it's a bad story because it made Fulgrim a one dimensional villain and forever destroyed the possibility that the original fulgrim could ever be redeemed.

[@charion1234]

@@theeternalchronicler3072 it's audio only? Half of it sounds like some strange torture porn.

[@40KTheories]

www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/the-reflection-crackd-ebook.html

[@guardianofthetoasters2323]

Man what a nightmare would that be. To have the veil removed from your eyes and see the horror you had committed. The crushing regret would probably break even a primarch (those who did not throw themselves at chaos on their own volition at least)

[@cthulhupthagn5771]

My take on it is that like anything, you can have the ruinous Powers removed from a being. The catch is if you know about 3/4 through the video, is if the body can survive after the energy sustaining their mutated form is gone. The other problem is whether or not their mind can take the horror of what they've done and what they have dealt with. This was wonderfully done in the last Siege of Terra book. I forget the exact reason, but at one Point chaos Energy starts pulling back from the battlefield and all of the death guard start to look around themselves in horror. They are disgusted at how they look, what they've done, and the little nurglings that are following them around are no longer considered cute or something to listen to but things to be destroyed. Then, before their minds can fully snap, the energy and influences restored to them. And everything they felt feels like a faded memory. So I would assume that if your body was largely uncorrupted you could physically survive if you were separated from the taint, but the mind is another matter entirely and most people would probably go irrevocably insane.

[@sk00b72]

Great video, but now Inquisitor it is time to ask ourselves the real questions! What would happen if plot armor did not exist and how many heroes of the Imerium and champions of chaos would fall? If a civil war happened during the Ultima founding, one part of the Imperium would belong to the first born and the other one to the primaris? Should the Lion return would there be conflict between him and Guilliman as in Angels of Caliban? What will happen if the end of times for the 40k universe comes?! (just being dramatic) What would happen if the Dornian Heresy happened and what would happen to the modern Imperium and how it would change? What would happen if the Night Lords that gathered to attack a craftworld(Forgot the name) succeed and how would this impact the Eldar, losing one of their important craftworlds? Finally, have a great day :)

[@40KTheories]

Funnily enough I did do a video on what could happen should the Lion return ;)

[@sk00b72]

@@40KTheories Just now watched it and well done. A LOT of other thing also could've happened such as the Lion reforming the wings of the Dark Angels, potentially knowing who Cypher is, after being changed in the novels to spare Luther and who knows Luther might as well manipulate the Fallen to fight against Chaos, but this is speculation. What is a fact is that he follows his instincts and so far they led him to do a lot of things that benefited the loyalists including crippling the Night Lords legion during the heresy to such a state that they were weaker than the Iron Hands legion. Pleased to watch your work none the less.

[@Gormathius]

He did actually do a video on what you might call the Dornian Heresy called the Theoreticus Heresy.

[@sk00b72]

@@Gormathius holy sh!t, ah well 46 videos. Will get the popcorn xD

[@davemustang8173]

the Intro song is Chaos Gate - Iter in Infernos Don't spend 3 days trying to find it like i did

[@drarsen33]

It seems to me from that teleportation story that corruption might be something that is "added" to someone. Imagine character from video game. You start with base character and then he gains traits that change him but they are building on basic template which is still below. Maybe during that teleportation do to strange nature of warp first his "template" arrived and then his traits got "loaded".

[@Timber_LXG_5]

With enough faith in the Emporor, and Ordnanace, anything is possible. Nothing undoes corruption like good ole fashioned Eathshaker rounds! *Happi Gasmask noises*

[@dhwwiiexpert]

“Someone call for an Earthshaker?”

[@Timber_LXG_5]

@@dhwwiiexpert danger close, fire for effect, Emporor protects

[@dhwwiiexpert]

@@Timber_LXG_5 _“Shatter their sky!!!”_

[@UGNAvalon]

That Vorx example reminds me of all the transporter shenanigans that plagued the crews of the Enterprise in its various incarnations. Step 1: Bring the USS Enterprise-D from Terra’s Golden Age into the 42nd Millennium. Step 2: Have them dedicate all resources into their transporter systems. Step 3: Bring the Enterprise to the nearest Traitor Legion fleet. Step 4: ??? Step 5: Imperium profits.

[@muskrat1983]

I'm imagining a scenario where a corrupted individual teleports in to an area with a blank or is surrounded by negatively polarized noctilith. Catching the subject before the Chaos corruption does, and preventing it from "re-attaching" to them. Though since teleportation goes through the warp, it may have to be some type of purely tech based method now that I think deeper on the idea. Thoughts?

[@michaelhowell2326]

What do you suppose a sample taken from a Chaos-tainted space craft would look like under a microscope? What would it's DNA look like?

[@northernnaysayer]

I think you were looking for the word biomancy when you were describing one way it could be reversed, Big E loved a bit of biomancy which as far as I'm aware involved using the warp or psychic power to alter the biological. The best example of which is the Primarch project but it was defo mentioned in the early HH books that biomancy was widespread at one point in Terran history then barely brought up again aside from the character they released from the Black Cells to make the Primarch bomb. To be fair it's the one psychic power that's barely mentioned in lore, but when it is I'm always blown away that its not used more by more powerful psykers like Librarians or Magnus to stop the mutations pre-ruberic. It is in my opinion only half the problem, even if you heal the body, the mind is still corrupted, which is probs what was inferred in the teleportation example, teleporters in scifi are usually just replicators with the original body being instantly destroyed to avoid shenanigans, perhaps when the teleportation was complete the mariner's soul entered the new body, instantly corrupting it thus the reversion to the aspect of chaos? The implication of the god blight novel I got when BigE/Rowboat was addressing the Garden of Nurgle was that even Moody arsed Mortarian could be redeemed if he purified his soul... So if he ridded himself of the corruption? Although I'll be honest, I really don't like the route they took in that novel....

[@karamelapple8007]

I aint reading all that So I'm happy for you that happened Or I'm happy that it didn't

[@dansmith4077]

For the algorithm.

[@Gormathius]

KZbin is basically a chaos god in its own right.

[@patrickflaherty701]

In the story shadowbreaker, the deathwatch squad leader Karras is possessed and is described as being pretty malformed. His Exoricist chapter squad mate removes the demon and his original form is restored.

[@kingjaffyjoe7381]

I despise chaos, but there’s something about their unwavering loyalty to Grandfather Nurgle that is admirable

[@jordanblake5916]

Tis a good week to be a 40k fan.

[@Flight_of_Icarus]

I think there's something that needs to be said about the Rubric of Ahriman. As purging chaotic corruption through immense psychic power may have been exactly what they were attempting to do to the Thousand Sons, but it failed, turning them into dust instead. Yvraine manages to convert a Rubric back to flesh and bone, however, with her power as the Herald of Ynnead. Ynnead, then, is another figure worth looking at on this topic. Ynnead is being created specifically to save the Eldar from Slaanesh, which can potentially be applied to other Chaos gods, such as Tzeentch.

[@cawlsthirdfoot1982]

Well done chap

[@oldeskul]

Isha may have the ability to free individuals from chaos taint.The Emperor and Ynnead definitely. Yvvrain, through the power of Ynnead overcame the power of Tzench on some Rubric Marines and restored them back into flesh and blood, it was meant to delay Ahriman and the Thousand Sons under his command while the aeldari worked to collapse the section of the webway.

[@exactinmidget92]

the reflection cracked is the book that retconned Fulgrim right?

[@DwAboutItManFr]

Looks like the chaos can be expunged but always returned, perhaps the taint can be maintained away for extended but not permanent periods of time.

[@khylerbane4523]

“Aaahh nooo. I can’t turn back to normal. Oh no, no, no. Father going to make so Chicken pun at my expense that I go full on Horus heresy mark 2.” -Magnus the Red on his Chaos mutation.

[@spookyghostwriter3110]

Would you count the marines of the Exorcists as corrupted by their possession by Daemons?

[@40KTheories]

I would say it would depend upon whether or not the daemon is within the Exorcist's body long enough to cause any long-lasting corruption, since they're expelled almost immediately after the possession process takes place.

[@joshuapinkley8562]

Yes.. with a bolter

[@theherooflfr9869]

iam new to warhammer and love it, but can anybody please elaborate for i have a question: If a mortal being is engulfed by warp corruption and he doesnt "want" any gifts and doesnt even know what chaos is (like most of the imperium people) , by an accident for example, will he become "evil" mutation aside ? I mean as far as i know the grey knights have 0 affects from the warp and get never corrupted.

[@TheZoogkiller]

Are you sure it wasn't just a time fluctuation, typical of the warp, that was described in that particular way? Seems like a stretch to describe it as a filter imo. If there were another example that could further support the one given, I would be on board.

[@40KTheories]

Oh it's entirely possible. But given that the effects of powerful psykers (who still utilise the energies of the warp to manifest their abilities) can also purify Chaotic Corruption in some capacity (as shown with the Dionysian spear), it would appear to support the idea that warp energies can be used to filter out the taint of Chaos.

[@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD]

The Emperor couldn't even remove some metal from Angron's brain. I'm not sure when he picked up the reverse apotheosis trick.

[@rigelcummins1460]

One of Soul Drinkers novels (The Bleeding Chalice) involves them locating some sort of biological treatment which "vaccinates" their gene-seed, allowing them to create new untainted Soul Drinkers. This treatment also serves to prevent any further mutations within the surviving original Soul Drinkers.

[@dracodarastrix4175]

Eldary have a few times purified entire areas from the the taint of chaos through some sort of ritual.

[@XmortoxX1990]

Using warp energy to cure poison sound kinds like using snake venom to develop an antidote

[@davidlox1164]

Are the good stuff

[@updfdrakkell143]

I think that its not the warp itself that would be the cure but the teleporting either the act of or the energy invovled. I cant help but have star trek thought cuz they used teleporters for many things from cleaning out viruses to even de-aging and resurrection/cloning.

[@NobodyDungeons]

So, there may actually be a way for extremely corrupted chaos worshippers to uncorrupted. This theory which is a stretch which is based upon the cloning of perfect Fulgrim. So, when someone becomes a demon their respective demon prince pulls out their soul, and replaces it with a bunch of warp stuff turning them into demons. As the theory goes when Fulgrims perfect clone was made his cloned body had a greater claim to Fulgrims soul than Slannesh did causing Fulgrims soul to enter his clone body. In theory this should be possible for any demon prince as well which any mortal can become. Though it is worth mentioning that the demon prince in question doesn't die from this, so they are still technically clones of the original they just happen to have the soul of the person they were originally making the matter less clear.

[@brianpj5860]

What about Yvvraine purging the Tzeentchian Rubric Taint from Ahrimans rubric marines, turning them back into the astartes they used to be??

[@monochrome2838]

Didn't Goge Vandire use blanks to get rid of someone's warp abilities?

[@thesmilinggun-knight9646]

Blanks don’t get rid of warp powers they merely suppress them.

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

If the Emperor wills it.

[@JoacinoDaGona]

The problem with chaos corruption is that is as much as a memetic corruption as it is a physical one. Chaos is a realm of energy. We have to look at it as we would look at quantum mechanics and there, perception, observation and information are the things that matter most. You spawn tentacles because you perceive yourself as corrupted and because of culture you expect that kind of thing to happen. That perception can be forced onto you by anything with sufficient willpower and psychic ability. It can also be caused by a sufficient volume of people being convinced (and therefore percieve) you are corrupt. Chances are, if sufficient people believe angel wings are sign of corruption, you will eventually spawn them instead of tentacles. A powerful psyker I think could purge corruption from a patient by forcing his perception over the patients, but it will only stick if the self-image of the patient changes with it, or else, the patient will return to his corrupted form, sooner or later (probably sooner). And powerful ideas, like the Chaos Gods are not in the habit of letting go of their flock and will fight any effort of cleansing corruption as a threat to themselves.

[@tmo_117]

I really hope so, this giant blade that replaced my forearm makes it really hard to play games and get in places without the cops being called

[@ironsightsmcgillycudy7753]

I wouldn't want to see all of the traitor primarchs redeemed but I think a few fan favorites coming back into the fold would be much appreciated

[@151monka]

As long as Horus never get's returned to the 40k world in any way.

[@UserRedZero]

For lack of a better explanation, the Plague Marine must’ve had “High Ping” when teleporting, with his player-skin updating to the current model after a moment, being delayed for some reason or another.

[@JoacinoDaGona]

My pet theory is that chaos, when interacting with reality, operates strongly on a "enforced observer effect". For a split-second neither the chaos marine nor others were able to properly perceive him, thus he reverted to his natural self. Chaos corruption is in my opinion the corruption of the idea of a person, as it is perceived by them-selves and by others. Through the warp, the touch/blessing of the dark god(s), that corrupted idea is enforced on observed physical reality.

[@cron1807]

It should also be noted that machine spirits themselves can also be corrupted, as shown by that one super giant walker

[@DougStewart]

I would like to see a middle ground for this in the narrative. Like Mortarion or other ascended primarchs can be made whole and mortal again in the presence of Pylons and enough Pariahs. All primarchs have the warp inside of them due to the emperors method of creation for them but if you could bind the "true" warp soul of a primarch in some way my idea would be that Pylons or Pariahs drive the chaos gods warp essence out or away and allows for a limited and possibly temporary return of a fallen primarch without breaking the paradigms

[@Tank-pl9hb]

Ok sure but how many cyberdongs does it take to purify a corrupted toaster

[@hellhoun89]

Exorcists chapter is an example right? If the lore is correct. They purge chaos regularly from the recruits before they become battle brothers.

[@40KTheories]

Their lore is all over the place currently, but from what I recall they allow themselves to be possessed by a daemon before forcibly exorcising it. Whether the daemon is within the Exorcist's body long enough to cause any long-lasting corruption is another matter.

[@VVerrenTT]

ty

[@Warboss_Thrakka_Snazzfingas]

I think all scykers should be trained to revert chaos corrupted soldiers back to normalcy

[@Edrobot7]

Apparently it is possible in Age of Sigmar; there’s entire groups of Stormcast Eternals known as “the redeemed” who are former champions of Chaos.

[@irontemplar6222]

Yes. Next question.

[@WorldNetExplorer]

The Sisters of Battle performed an unknown ritual that cleansed and entire star system from all traces of Nurgle corruption. Even the bodies that had hours before been Nurgle zombies bore no indication of corruption or illness. the Sisters literally prayed the cray away.

[@40KTheories]

Do you remember the source which mentioned this out of curiosity?

[@WorldNetExplorer]

@@40KTheories 8th edition Adepta Sororitas Codex. Page 39, "Exorcism of the Infected."

[@40KTheories]

Thank you kindly!

[@couriersix4252]

How did I get here this early