.45 ACP PMC Bronze vs Remington Golden Saber! Ballistic Gel Test With The Rock Island Armory 1911!

Testing out a couple of .45 ACP hollow point, defensive ammo choices! Can the cheap ammo perform as well as the expensive?
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[@cameronnorton5898]

I love this channel. You test stuff no one else has documented.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that! I try to do mostly stuff that is on the shelves.👍

[@neocenobyte]

yeah i love this channel too, straight to the point. Also, stuff like "... I still have another test to make" with gel blocks already full of rounds and wound channels is freaking hilarious. New video, first question: did he finally remelt the gel blocks? 🤣 We should run a melt pool

[@Appalachian4WD]

Appreciate these test. Especially on these 45acp. Saving me money left and right. Keep up the hard work brother.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Glad I can help!

[@cameronnorton5898]

For .45 Auto I really like Federal HST, and I also really like Winchester Silvertip 185gr. My 1911 won't feed any cone shaped bullets like XTPs. If you're looking for a good cheaper .45 JHP, the Winchester White Box 230gr JHP seems to do really well. I shot a ham covered by an old jacket and got superb expansion and damage. Paul Harrell has tested the WWB 230gr on his meat target with great results too.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice. WWB seems to be good stuff in any caliber.

[@Stoptheliars]

I like golden saber I shoot and carry it in my pistol and pcc I use it for hd.

[@earlmorrison7833]

Another great test !! I load my daily carry 1911 with the saber rounds , glad they performed !!! Thanks for the video !!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thanks! They did great.

[@christopherstephenson2119]

This was great because it shows that even though the PMC didn't expand, it still showed a decent wound channel. This is likely due to the shockwave created by the hollow point just like some hard cast semi wadcutters do. So bullet geometry has much to do with terminal ballistics even if they don't expand. Thanks for the video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you checkin it out!

[@danperry3116]

I bought a case of the pmc fmj a year ago to feed my rock island 1911A1 fs at the range. And a variety of defense rounds for carry ammo. Always wondered how the hollow points would stack up against some of the other more costly rounds. Thanks for your jelly testing I really appreciate it.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I'll definitely use em for plinking on the ramge.

[@toddw.9845]

Wow ! Didn't expect that , a hollow point with absolutely no expansion . great test as always.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I expected at least a little bit from a 5 inch barrel.

[@leederby136]

This is why you do the tests so we can see which ones actually expand👍 The Golden Sabers are worth the extra money for sure. Thanks for the test Tools 🤠 PMC is still good for target loads 🔫

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you my friend. Yeah, I'll definitely sling em into some steel.👍

[@andrewgarrison3485]

Golden Saber has long been my go to defensive round for 45 ACP. They are also my top go to for 357 mag.

[@ToolsandTargets]

They're great rounds.😎

[@KWayneWord]

Awesome test as usual. Your channel is my favorite! You help save us a lot of headaches when trying to choose the best ammo! Thanks for the videos!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thanks! I really do appreciate that!

[@KWayneWord]

@@ToolsandTargets You're very welcome!

[@ftdefiance1]

Good thing about .45 acp is that even ball ammo is decent.

[@cameronnorton5898]

I agree with that. As Paul Harrell said, "When it comes to .45 ACP, good old fashioned hard ball... is hard to beat."

[@patrickrossetti7109]

Right on!

[@JohnLloydScharf]

A .230 grain being longer and going slower are more likely to tumble. I suspect they will not keyhole at 25 yards, but they leave a larger wound than even this great Golden Saber out of a short barrel.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely.

[@ftdefiance1]

@@JohnLloydScharf 230 grain slugs have been standard in both military and completion. The slug doesn't keyhole.

[@ratagris21]

Great testing Tools! Not all HP are created the same, but they may all perform like an FMJ. Golden Saber has been around along time. Tried and true.🎩♠️☯️🏁

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. The Sabers definitely took it here.

[@Gsmooth10455]

That's true about the BONDED version of the Golden Sabres, the non-bonded were pure garbage as they repeatedly suffered core jacket separation. The PNC JHP's are pure garbage as well, in ANY caliber.

[@frank6029]

Not even close the golden saber won hands down the pmc was very disappointing for hollow points love these gel tests Thank you as always Be Safe and God Bless 🙏🙏

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed. Appreciate ya, brother!

[@Stoptheliars]

Reminds me of Winchester hi shok ammo. I’ve never seen hi shok expand either

[@seanomeirs8362]

Thanks for doing the gel tests. I stocked up on Federal Personal Defense 230g Punch ($32 for 20 rds), and Hornady Critical Defense 185g FTX ($42 for 20 rds). God willing, I never need to use them for their intended purpose, but the performance is going to remain a mystery for now.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I think I've tested the Critical Defense but not too sure about the Punch. I've done so many, I lose track.😆

[@seanomeirs8362]

@@ToolsandTargets I'll look through your archive.

[@haroldhatcher1239]

I really enjoyed this video. It’s about what I expected for the Golden Sabers. The bronze was a bust. Don’t think I would use them for self defense. Keep em coming Tools.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Agreed. The Sabers will be on range duty.

[@Gsmooth10455]

I just bought a couple of boxes of the Bonded .45 ACP Golden Sabres for my Sig P-220 so I was very happy to see that you had done a test on them and also with the results. I had several boxes of the non-bonded version and as you no doubt know they were infamous for suffering core jacket separation. I also had a couple of boxes of the PNC JHP's, and I can happily say that they along with the non-bonded Golden Sabres ended up being used for target practice.

[@ToolsandTargets]

The bonded is some good stuff for sure.😎👍

[@dietrichjohnson9556]

Great test. Nice to see the golden sabers preform well. I've always had good performance in 357 with golden sabers. Great job again.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir! The Sabers definitely shined on this one.

[@kjackson6803]

I bought 100 rounds of the PMC 45 ACP JHP back in 2020. I couldn’t get any of them to chamber in my RIA 1911 or my Springfield XDS. I ended up buying a revolver just to burn through them. I completely understand your disappointment in the performance of those JHPs. They should make good plinking rounds. As always, thanks for the review. Keep up the great work!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. They wanted to act up a little when it came to chambering in my Taurus commander 1911 when it was new. After a couple mags, it seemed to iron itself out. They'll definitely be for range plinking.

[@Maddog2047]

I was considering buying some PMC Bronze for my 9mm. I changed my mind after seeing this video. Good Video, keep it up!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I actually did a video on the 9mm Bronze hollow points and while they weren't great, they weren't nearly as poor performing as these .45acp.

[@jeffreyrobertson7652]

Appreciate it Tools for all the Jelly Tests you do Really like watching them Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Hope you enjoy the rest of the weekend!

[@marcrhodes3382]

Those PMCs are actually target ammo. They are excellent for target shooting, shoot clean and consistent. If you notice most match grade. 45s are hollows, like the Nosler. Barnes, and Hornady. I think theyre my favorite target ammo. Ive found that magtech and federals will keyhole and tumble a lot versus the pmc. They also foul more. Golden saber bonded is a top notch defensive ammo, but sre illegal outside the home to carry here in jersey. Stay vigilant!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@hhhservicesllc3163]

Well, the good news is that they will both make holes.... The disappointing news that the PMC didn't expand, I was totally not expecting.... Great test Brother!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Going out tomorrow to do a new batch of tests. I have the Eley in the lineup against the Punch. They'll have nightmares tonight just thinking about it!

[@hhhservicesllc3163]

@@ToolsandTargets LMAO, I know I will.. 🤣🤣🤣

[@ronaldperkins4222]

I've been riding the Golden Saber bandwagon for decades. Still have a few boxes of GS bullets for reloading - .45ACP & .357. Most likely were embarrassingly cheap by today's standards. They run great in both my Glock 21 & 1911 as well as my S&W revolver which eats everything. Great test with valuable data as always. 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I have some .380 that's loaded with the Sabers as well. Very curious to see how they do in testing.

[@rangetime6779]

I tried PMC ammo a long time ago and you got the same results. Their hollow points have 1980's technology.....meaning no expansion. I'm not sure now but PMC used to be manufactured in Korea. Glad the Remington's performed great. They're making ammo again under new ownership. Thanks again for a great video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. They definitely skimp on something with the PMC.

[@theroundman4949]

Cool video 👍👍👍wouldn't have thought the PMC would not expand

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Definitely surprised by it.

[@robertharing7031]

Back when I carried a G-21 I always carried Golden Sabre and Starfires and I liked them both and even before I watch the video I believe that they both will pack a wallop!

[@ToolsandTargets]

The Sabers did great!

[@ctsnider88]

WoW! I am glad I found this channel and you Tools. Great test for me. Thanks

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you brother. Thanks for the support!

[@lens7859]

Now you have a couple extra boxes of range Ammo! Nice test, great work you did

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. The steel wont know the difference.👍

[@coltsfan357]

I'd be curious about pulling a couple of the PMC bullets and changing to a different powder in an attempt for a higher velocity. After reseating the bullets to the same depth, test them again to see if there are any differences in speed and expansion.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Not a bad idea at all. I might have to do some mad scientist action on em!

[@kevinnewberry1116]

The standard for 185 gr. JHPs in .45 ACP from a 5" barrel has been 1000 FPS as long as I can remember, and that's 40+ years. I've never heard bad things about the PMC JHP itself, but under 900 FPS is abysmal. This might not sound like the easiest solution, but since you have a buddy who handloads, I think I'd pull those PMC JHPs and reload them in their still new cases. Have him remove the depriming rod from the sizer die and the cases can be resized while saving the primers. $.56 per round for a primer, new case and bullet would be an easier pill to swallow, IMO. Just add powder.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@shootinitstraight4162]

Because HP bullets are velocity based, I'm thinking that the PMC fell below the "expansion threshold", causing it to just streamline. A little more push and it might have opened some. The GS bonded usually always perform optimally, at least in all the tests I've ever seen. Great testing, unbiased and honest 👍.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Totally agree. These PMC needed a little more go juice!

[@rzrkiller7619]

Man either round is gonna hit like a brick and do the job. Good to see they do open up well.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, They would both be deadly.

[@Gsmooth10455]

Only the Golden Sabres opened up. The PNC JHP's didn't open up at all. They are pure garbage.

[@ExcavationNation]

Hey tools just wanted to tell ya love the vids man keep it up bro

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that bigtime!

[@bernardmilot4451]

Love your videos!!.. As I stated in your video using the 40 caliber. The rounds aren't traveling fast enough. The Golden Saber is designed as a true defense load. The copper walls are thinner, and side cuts are deeper. Whereas the PMC is not really designed as a true defensive round. As you mentioned, if you fired the PMC out of a carbine of say 16", I'm sure the performance would greatly improve. I watched videos using PMC 9mm JHP, and they performed very well. The expansion was similar to the Golden Saber in .45. But all the rounds fired reached 1000 fps, even out of a 3.5" barrel. This is generally the point needed for most hollow points to expand unless specifically designed to at slower speeds. I carried Speer Gold Dot in my Colt Defender. They also expanded well. But the 185 grain +P did sting my hand a little, but also hit near 1,100 fps.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Again, it's cheaply designed ammo. I have tested many actual premium self-defense rounds that have no problem reliably expanding below 1000fps. Sometimes you really do get what you pay for.

[@Brian3xm]

Thank you for doing the test, Sir.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@Bluesky5553]

If you can still find some, try the Magtech Guardian Gold 45 ACP in either 230 grain or 185 grain. Both are +P loads and are amazing. Bad thing is they've been discontinued by Magtech. After those rounds, I use Winchester PDX1 Defender JHP's in 230 grain, or the older Remington Golden Sabre 185 grain brass jacketed hollow point defense loads. The Golden Sabre Bonded is their new round with a newly designed bullet. Same muzzle velocity and energy as the old brass jacketed rounds. Again, and round you can put into the gun and place on target where you are aiming will get the job done, especially with a 45 ACP.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I just happen to have some of those Guardian Gold +P in 185 and 230. 👍

[@douglasmanning-c7p]

Tools, your tests are always interesting. I'm glad you are out there keeping them honest. As a thought try putting plastic beads in the cavity and see if that will make them expand. It shouldn't hurt anything. I may experiment with that myself. First I gotta get some PMC ammo.

[@ronaldgarvie9661]

Nice testing, good to know about those rounds. Thanks

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir!

[@paulharris8282]

Thank you for doing these tests

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@johndavis1429]

Thanks

[@shawnfarmer1675]

Good job on testing. I appreciate the information. Tells me ALOT about what ammo to purchase.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Glad I can help!

[@Jerry-Parker]

That is one beautiful pistol ! 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. A nice set of grips really dress em up!

[@bassingwithawesomejohnson3202]

Well, like u said, you can still use the pmc bronze just like you would FMJ. So you didn’t get a bad deal, it just wasn’t as good of a deal as u thought!! And hey” we got another jelly test in da books.” So it’s a win win for everybody!! Great video and I look forward to your next one. Your doing a great job brother!!! Keep doing what you’re doing. I can’t speak for everyone else, but I’m learning a lot!!!😎🇺🇸👍🏻👍🏻

[@ToolsandTargets]

Really appreciate that! The steel definitely wont know the difference!👍

[@bassingwithawesomejohnson3202]

@@ToolsandTargets 😂 very true!!

[@A_Brit]

Thank you for this channel. You said it when you brought up shooting them out of a carbine. I'd love to see 45acp pushed faster out of a carbine in everyone of these rounds. In case you needed the extra push to get one.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@Mbartel500]

Those golden saber loads have a couple of other nice benefits,…milder recoil than 230 grain loads, and because they are subsonic, there is less muzzle blast. Both are desirable attributes in a self defense situation. The price of the GS rounds is not bad at all when you consider the excellent performance, low recoil and less muzzle blast..

[@ToolsandTargets]

Very true!

[@fabionegri4855]

good point

[@Stoptheliars]

Pre covid I was buying golden saber for sub $30 for 50rd boxes @ ammunition depot.

[@alfonsorj70]

Hey tool you know the old saying you pay for what you get in those PMC bronze really proved it. Good video keep up the good work.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir 😎👍

[@Brian3xm]

Also, that was very fair to take another shot of the Bronze. I bought a couple of that mess too. But, at the time, that was all that was available.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It's a shame it doesn't perform better. It would be a great price if it did.

[@Brian3xm]

@@ToolsandTargets Yes Sir. I had been searching for a video on it for some time until I found yours. Because of your video, I have removed them from all my .45s. Thank you, again.

[@patrickrossetti7109]

Best thing about 45acp is that it's 45 acp👍!

[@ToolsandTargets]

LOL, facts!

[@hawk76richhawkins92]

It's "I'm jealous jelly time" . I haven't shot my glock 21 or Springfield 1911 since 2019 . I have some ammo stock up for them , but I can't get myself to shoot it . lol. Great video Tools 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I cringe every time I shoot anything these days.😂

[@andrewbrumagen3479]

My son said something like that, when I bought my first gun he uses HSTs for home defense and he carries it too. I can't remember exactly what he said but use the best rounds for saving your lives. My girlfriend doesn't understand that still. I use the best if someone is in the house and I know these rounds will stop the threat(s) I pay more money but I know gold dots and HSTs will work period.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep.👍

[@joncee4998]

Golden Saber is one of three that i use in 45 acp . It doesnt disappoint .

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely some great results.

[@HomeBrewedVapesReviews]

Great video brother. Love those grips on that RIA.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. The grips totally changed the look of it.👍

[@caseyquirk6631]

I was disappointed in the pmc bronze i have some in 9mm I wonder if they would perform any better than the 45 well tools sometimes bargain pricing doesn't equal performance 🤔 but its great when cheaper ammo works like its advertised just want to thank you for all the information you give to us tools

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. The 9mm did pretty good when I tested them on this vid kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZTNaYirZdKcjsU

[@dennispiert5742]

Great testing… thanks for the education.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you checkin it out.😎👍

[@JoseGarcia-tr9mp]

Great review! I had a similar experience with HP's from Ammo Inc, meaning they did not expand. Difference was, I actually paid a premium for them.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It definitely sucks to pay for "defensive" ammo and get basically overpriced fmj.

[@Bourbon-Canted-Ky-Windage]

Thanks for using a 5 inch 1911. The PMC is pretty accurate ammo, so enjoy it. Ain't no peanut butter on that jelly!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@mr.diversity2267]

I really appreciate what U do Sir. You help me with my decision-making big time!

[@josephmelson7591]

Awesome video I will for shure look for some those rounds when I can find them ..

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. The Sabers did great.👍

[@jonathanmatamoroz5888]

Hell yeah brother! Got that cleetus hat.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Doin it For Dale!😎👊

[@michaelnesmith7069]

Good job! Love the clear blocks. You may want to add 4 layers of denim to the front of the block. Some bullets expand fine in clear gel but not when going through jeans/cloth (the hollow point fills up so it doesn't expand.) Keep up the good work!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎

[@justinappling614]

This PMC Bronze is proof of why I like 10mm. I have those exact rounds in 10mm and they get great expansion in gel testing. With 10mm you can run cheap hollow points and still get good performance. I also have these in 9mm 115 grain and they also preform well in gel testing but if they were 124’s or 147’s I doubt you would get expansion in 9mm. I bet the 45 would get expansion in a carbine just like you said. Both of these rounds are a little weak sauce, at 185 grain 45acp should be getting at least 1000fps. 850fps-950fps is what you would expect from a 230 grain bullet in 45acp.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I need to do some more 10mm tests. It's been a while since I did any.

[@steverussell6642]

Loving the jelly test they're grate🐯

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!😎

[@l.a.3887]

Another great test 👌 thanks for the video 👍 keep up the good work yes 45acp will definitely do the job

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir!😎👊

[@leonhart2452]

On the PMC Bronze the larger meplat of the bullet is what gave you the nice wound channel. As they say the 9mm may expand but the 45 don't get smaller.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Very true!

[@robertreber8296]

Thank you. Valuable information.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@ShadowForge762]

the PMC were the only JHPs I have for my .45 (also an RIA) at the moment. Good to know I should be looking for something else. I had actually gotten it when I had seen your 9mm bronze video and thought it would work similarly.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I was expecting something similar to the 9mm stuff too.

[@randlerichardson5826]

That’s a great looking projectile accelerator Tools

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. The grips really fancy it up.

[@tylerwill5250]

I think it those pmc’s were going through clothing and bone, they would open up some. I know its bottom of the barrel for hp’s but i feel like they would do the job. Plus like you said, they are about as much ad a regular box of fmj’s.

[@mesauer]

Another great video! Thank you!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@LuckyDog350X]

I'm so surprised with the outcome of them PMC Bronze in .45 crazy! I only say that cause I had tested them before in .308 .357 and 9mm and they did ok. Now don't get me wrong they don't open up quite as good as a v-crown or hst but they were acceptable. I know the speeds you got are comparable to other .45 ammo, I'm wondering if the bronze in the .45 cal are loaded a little light and need a bit more speed to open up properly. Either way that is why you test so you don't end up with a pile of ammo that under performs when you really need it. Have a good one my friend and I will see you on the next one.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, the 9mm Bronze I tested weren't bad. I think these are definitely loaded too light.

[@bigtrev761]

Hey Big fella PMC bronze 230gn fmj 45 acp $49.90 / 50 au. At a cheap shop 🇦🇺.... Love the 45acp. Never owned one but the 45 acp Colt was the first handgun I shot 25 years ago and I was sold. ( have a SS Kimber 1911 target 11 9 mm ) and love it 😊 ....... Comment on the 2 rounds.......That’s 2 BIG holes even if 1 didn’t preform too well.....Is the Rock Island a good handgun as I’ve never handled one ? Great video , agen 🙃

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. The Rock Island is a great gun especially for the price. I picked this one up for just under $450 and it has run 100% flawless. It isn't as fancy as some of the higher priced units, but it's a workhorse. The grips I added took the looks up a few notches as well. Hope you enjoy your Sunday my friend!

[@YellowHammer26]

Thanks, you have some great ammo test👍👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!

[@charlesmorgan1879]

And That is why you test ! And we watch em. Back when ammo was scarce for me a local shop had pmc fmj, think I got 1 or 2 bx but I have gotten several brands of jhp. Late but...here

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you checkin em out brother. I definitely got an eye opener with this one.

[@charlesmorgan1879]

@@ToolsandTargets you should take a cpl from each bx you have & try them in gell after your next test (off cam)just to be sure...thankyou for doing all the test

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@charlesmorgan1879 Good idea!👍

[@freedomfirst5420]

Every caliber in PMC Bronze that I've tried, I've been disappointed in.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah the 9mm wasn't absolutely horrible, but not great either.

[@randlerichardson5826]

Out of all the Bullets I reload Sierra is the most consistent in bullet weight whatever is on the box just say 243/6mm is what they weigh be safe Tools and GOD BLESS y’all buddy Amen 🙏

[@ToolsandTargets]

Good to know.

[@Dwayne7834]

If expansion is what you want get the Remington. The PMC just didn’t expand much at all. Thanks for the video

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely. Appreciate ya!

[@jmichaelcarbonniere9549]

Great test, Tools! Ok, I'm a bit late to this party! I will admit that I'm a bit disappointed in both of these rounds since a 185 gr bullet should be pushing 1000 to 1100 fps, although the GS did perform well. I load 185 Gold Dots at 1100 fps and their performance is fantastic! Still in all, I wouldn't be in the least worried about carrying the Sabers. My carry ammo as always is still the Underwood Xtreme Defender but their cost is way up there, so I always need some back up ammo for the zombie apocalypse and with Speer being scarce as hens teeth, I'm always looking for alternates. I wonder if Remington is going to sell the bonded GS as components? I'll have to look around for them. Thanks again for the work you do! Cheers, jc

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you again, my friend. totally agree on the speeds. I guess I've just gotten used to it at this point.😆

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Disappointing with PMC. 45 doesn't shrink. However, expansion is the objective of a hollow point. Thank you for doing the dirty work for us all.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I guess a bargain price isn't always a bargain.

[@jeffroberts760]

I have the same suspicion about Federal Train and Protect 45acp, that it will perform like the PMC did here, as a cheap holler point. Give them a test if you come across any! I got a case when they went on sale at Black Friday (50cpr) which was as good a price I’ve seen on 45 for practice.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I'll definitely grab some if they pop up around here.👍

[@hugostiglitz9864]

You just saved me some green my friend...much obliged. I'll stick with FMJ instead of the PMC hollow points.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@rottiesrule5285]

yep..no doubt i'd take the golden sabre anyday....i'll give you 12.75 a box for the PMC just to lessen the blow on them...once again a great test tools....thanks.....you proved that cheap isn't better...glad i carry hornady C.D, in mine when i carry it [winter time.. kinda hard to hide without a jacket]

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I'll just ring the steel with em and pretend like they're fmj!😆

[@rottiesrule5285]

@@ToolsandTargets i thought you would but i couldn't help but offer...lol

[@rottiesrule5285]

@@ToolsandTargets i thought you would..but i couldn't help but offer...lol

[@phillewis1768]

Really like the grips on that 1911

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thanks. They definitely changed the entire look of it for the better.

[@phillewis1768]

If you don't mind me asking, where did you find them?

[@derrickbowlin1527]

I expected more out of the PMC Bronze. But, as you said it's basically like having a box of FMJ.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It was definitely a disappointment, but I'll still use em on the range for sure.

[@edwardbiasi37]

I like the non bonded version of the Golden sabers better. They perform very well. The PMC jhp results are surprising, usually in 45 acp you don't have to have premium jhp's because the mouth of the hollow points are so big generic rounds usually do good.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I was really surprised by these PMC. I think they were just moving too slow or maybe had too hard of a lead makeup.🤷‍♂️

[@MitchC357]

Always go for the gold in everything you do. That includes ammo.

[@texasbeast239]

Au > Br

[@MitchC357]

@@texasbeast239 same for the Olympics

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir

[@josephmelson7591]

At my local shop the Barnes hallow point's are same price as the golden sabots last month both boxes of 20

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice!

[@johnladd9885]

Gold and Saber have been great in all calibers that I've got them in... most of the time anything over 1100 fps lose there jackets.. I buy gold & Saber for any caliber when I can find them..

[@ToolsandTargets]

They were very nice in this case.👍

[@DoubleDEnt]

Try a barrier in front of the plc, like denim or something... That might make the pmc open up.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Barriers (especially cloth) generally cause less expansion because they clog the hollow cavity.

[@markmalone279]

Yeah I dunno why PMC loads those things so light??? The projectiles are fine I'm sure, but if a 185 ain't goin 1000 fps out of a 5" barrel, they're short changin' you on powder. Their 185's are going damn near as slow as most 230's!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, that's definitely the problem with these. They're stretchin that powder way too thin!

[@Swampytheroot]

I picked up a bunch of 185 +P during the plandemic before prices got stupid. I got 380, 357Sig and 45acp about a case each on clearance. I think the 380 were $8 a box and the 45+P were $12.50 a box. 357S were $9.47 a box. The 45 come out of a G41 at 1125fps average. But the bullets don't entirely hold together at that speed. Enough about that. I came to see how the Bronze worked. I ordered a case of it in 10mm JHP 170 grain. I hope it works better. If not, it was only $22 a box of 50.

[@Wyoming_Gramps]

Wow. That was super interesting.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely hated to see the PMC do this.

[@no.step.on.snek.2423]

Just a suggestion.. but when you get several shots on one sides flip it around and hit it from the opposite side

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I've been doing that more lately. Appreciate you, brother!

[@jeffray6197]

I usually shop around for the best price, but in this case, I definitely would spend the extra money for that great expansion for sure! Stay war and stay safe my friend! Thank you!!👍🏻

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed.👍

[@bruceshelton5043]

For sure no brainer, PNC I thinking in a carbine would preform like you said

[@davidjernigan8161]

880 fps, and even 940 seems a little slow for a 185 grain bullet out of a full size when a 230 grain bullet does 830- 850 fps.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Slow and steady.

[@bikeagain1310]

Reading down the comments I don't see anyone mentioning that the golden sabre cost more because they are bonded. The PMC are not. Also the Remingtons are water sealed at the primer and at the neck. Also nickle plated brass for more reliable feeding. The Golden Sabre simply are a superior product to the pmc.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@WickedMoto]

Hell yea brother!

[@keithtate1241]

Golden Saber seemed to do pretty well. With the PMC, might as well have flat nosed FMJ. Good jelly test as usual 😜.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. The PMC was definitely disappointing for a hollow point.

[@maxmccain8950]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a PMC hollow point expand in any caliber test I’ve seen tested.

[@zanegardner6488]

Remington probably has the best budget Hollow Points. Id like to see the Federal Train and Defend stuff

[@ToolsandTargets]

I just picked up some Remington UMC's to test out.👍